Re: A mini-poll

[Guest guest]

Bessie, I never contacted mites while Neal was suffering with them and the only things we got rid of were the mattress he slept on and all our down pillows. So far we have been doing okay unless Neal's crawling sensation turns out to be a return instead of his nervous system. I sincerely hope it is the latter.

Thank you for all your encouragement and suggestions on this site. I think we have a great group again.

Joan

A "mini-poll"

Some things I wonder about:1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who is NOT affected?2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?3 - Has anyone "defeated" this without moving and/or throwing out almost everything?4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually everything and had NO success?5 - Has anyone ever "captured" a clearly defined (8 legged) mite from using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to see if you succeeded with that)6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially fibers, cacoons, "glitter" etc)?Bessie

[Guest guest]

Hi Bessie,

Numbers 1 & 6 apply to us.

My grandmother never experienced any problems. The mites weren't

attracted to her.

Trly

>

> Some things I wonder about:

>

> 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household

who

> is NOT affected?

>

> 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at

least

> 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

>

> 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> almost everything?

>

> 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> everything and had NO success?

>

> 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite

from

> using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier

to

> see if you succeeded with that)

>

> 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

>

> Bessie

>

[Guest guest]

1. yes

2. yes

3. Ray

4. yes

5. Most definately yes. Even watched a couple crawl.

6. yes

From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 8:23:36 AMSubject: A "mini-poll"

Some things I wonder about:1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who is NOT affected?2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?3 - Has anyone "defeated" this without moving and/or throwing out almost everything?4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually everything and had NO success?5 - Has anyone ever "captured" a clearly defined (8 legged) mite from using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to see if you succeeded with that)6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially fibers, cacoons, "glitter" etc)?Bessie

[Guest guest]

Joan & trlyblest -

One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there is

something inherently different about those of us who get affected vs

those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have

responded and you both have experience with at least one other person

unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my sisters

visited with me for a week at a time twice during my infestation and

did not pick it up.

Some years ago one of my parakeets developed " scaley face " while none

of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other birds'

immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one (although

genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.

I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and others.

Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection by an

unrelated " something " that actually changes us so that we ATTRACT

and " breed " these things that have no business being in us?

There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning toward

the third of these.

Bessie

> >

> > Some things I wonder about:

> >

> > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household

> who

> > is NOT affected?

> >

> > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at

> least

> > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

> >

> > 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> > almost everything?

> >

> > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> > everything and had NO success?

> >

> > 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite

> from

> > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful

magnifier

> to

> > see if you succeeded with that)

> >

> > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> > fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

> >

> > Bessie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Frito -

How long ago did you capture the culprit? Do you think you still

have any of them around? Did you save the sample?

If anyone can capture a sample FROM THEIR SKIN (not the environment)

I will pay for an entomologist to examine it. I realize that the

liklihood of a live sample ever getting to one is next to nil, but a

dead one is better than nothing.

If you have a sample, email me for instructions about wshere to send

it.

Bessie

>

> 1.  yes

> 2.  yes

> 3.  Ray

> 4.  yes

> 5.  Most definately yes.  Even watched a couple crawl.

> 6.  yes

>

>

>  

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@...>

> bird mites

> Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 8:23:36 AM

> Subject: A " mini-poll "

>

>

> Some things I wonder about:

>

> 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household

who

> is NOT affected?

>

> 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at

least

> 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

>

> 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> almost everything?

>

> 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> everything and had NO success?

>

> 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite

from

> using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier

to

> see if you succeeded with that)

>

> 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

>

> Bessie

>

[Guest guest]

Bessie, for one thing I grew up on a farm and fooled with chickens all my younger years - mites and all.

No. 2 is that Neal has Rheumatoid Arthritis and takes immunosuppressant drugs. I know his immune

system is weaker than mine. That is the only difference I can figure out. He also was around chickens

when he was younger.

Joan

Re: A "mini-poll"

Joan & trlyblest -One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there is something inherently different about those of us who get affected vs those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have responded and you both have experience with at least one other person unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my sisters visited with me for a week at a time twice during my infestation and did not pick it up.Some years ago one of my parakeets developed "scaley face" while none of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other birds' immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one (although genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and others. Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection by an unrelated "something" that actually changes us so that we ATTRACT and "breed" these things that have no business being in us?There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning toward the third of these. Bessie > >> > Some things I wonder about:> > > > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household > who > > is NOT affected?> > > > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at > least > > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?> > > > 3 - Has anyone "defeated" this without moving and/or throwing out > > almost everything?> > > > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually > > everything and had NO success?> > > > 5 - Has anyone ever "captured" a clearly defined (8 legged) mite > from > > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier > to > > see if you succeeded with that)> > > > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the > > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially > > fibers, cacoons, "glitter" etc)?> > > > Bessie> >>

[Guest guest]

This is an excellent poll Bessie.

I believe it is Immune System related.

My grandmother NEVER had any problems and the reasons I believe she

didn't are:

1. She has taken vitamins/herbs/minerals since the late 50's early

60's. Not just a multi vitamin once a day, but a tailored regimine

which she followed daily, and still does. (in other words... a

fistfull of them daily!)

2. Being raised on a farm she has always eaten " organically " . They

raised EVERYTHING. Their own grass fed beef, pork, poultry, lamb,

vegies of all kinds, raised their own fruits including bluberries,

raspberries, blackberries... etc... They harvested their own eggs.

She made her own yogurts, butter, cream, ice cream. She dehydrated

foods, especially fruits to seal in bags and have ahead for " snacks " .

She always used Carob instead of chocolate, Raised her own herbs for

various teas for various illnesses...

3. She uses all organic products except for Dove bar soap. Witch

Hazel for cuts and bruises, yellow root for sore throats, and even a

smidge of whiskey for severe colds... etc. They made their won wines.

4. Granny ALWAYS keeps herself greased up. Constantly slathering

lotions on herself. During our infestation she used ALOT of Gold Bond

Medicated Lotion... sometimes as many as 4 bottles a week. (She said

that she in no way wanted whatever it was that we had!!...... )

Granny never knew what a drive thru was until she moved in with me

after grandpa died in 1996 and she sold their farm. (I'll never

forget that day! She was so precious! )

So even though I am 40 years younger than she is to the day... She

has a much stronger immune system at the age of 88 than I could ever

hope to have. God Bless her heart. I just hope and pray that I can

learn something from her... apply her knowledge, which is slippng

fast, to my every day life and diet.

My grandmother is living proof to me that " You are what you eat " ...

Hugs,

Trly

>

> Joan & trlyblest -

> One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there is

> something inherently different about those of us who get affected

vs

> those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have

> responded and you both have experience with at least one other

person

> unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my

sisters

> visited with me for a week at a time twice during my infestation

and

> did not pick it up.

> Some years ago one of my parakeets developed " scaley face " while

none

> of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other birds'

> immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one (although

> genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.

> I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and

others.

> Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection by an

> unrelated " something " that actually changes us so that we ATTRACT

> and " breed " these things that have no business being in us?

> There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning

toward

> the third of these.

> Bessie

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bessie,

I sent many samples to an entomologist in which he recommeneded seeing my physician. ??!! Funny, but in the last three weeks, I have pulled TWO D. Galinae (?)from my environment and one came off my sons hand into the ESP balm. I took it out of the balm and threw it into water of which it swam. Whatever it is was alive and was capable of swimming. In which I currently have the one from his hand sitting in water to keep it hydrated in a jar. This was last night. How amazing is all this? I threw away my microscope as it was toast, but its the same thing I found before. Where do you want it sent as the entomologist here in Kansas is inadequate, very nice, but not helpful in ID?

Addtionally, one that I had found recently in conjuction with my travels, I sprayed and drowned it with orange oil cleaner. I am not even sure how to describe what I saw happen to that thing.

Frito

From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 10:16:57 AMSubject: Re: A "mini-poll"

Frito -How long ago did you capture the culprit? Do you think you still have any of them around? Did you save the sample?If anyone can capture a sample FROM THEIR SKIN (not the environment) I will pay for an entomologist to examine it. I realize that the liklihood of a live sample ever getting to one is next to nil, but a dead one is better than nothing.If you have a sample, email me for instructions about wshere to send it.Bessie>> 1. yes> 2. yes> 3. Ray> 4. yes> 5. Most definately yes. Even watched a couple crawl.> 6. yes> > > > > > > ____________

_________ _________ __> From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@ ...>> bird mites> Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 8:23:36 AM> Subject: A "mini-poll"> > > Some things I wonder about:> > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who > is NOT affected?> > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?> > 3 - Has anyone "defeated" this without moving and/or throwing out > almost everything?> > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually > everything and had NO success?> > 5 - Has anyone ever "captured" a clearly defined (8 legged)

mite from > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to > see if you succeeded with that)> > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially > fibers, cacoons, "glitter" etc)?> > Bessie>

[Guest guest]

Joan -

Something just occurred to me as another alternative that is actually

a combination of two of them.

I, too, had been on immunity-suppression medication. Starting 11/06

I was self injecting Betaseron every other day for MS (it is an anti-

viral that has immunity suppression effects). At the end of 3 months

I got horribly ill, with a flu-like something. I was prescribed a

slew of meds to counteract it, but nothing helped. I then started

taking things to build up my immune system, figuring that I couldn't

get rid of whatever it was because my immune system had been

trashed.

So this is what I am now considering: The immunity-suppression made

me contract " something " that fundamentally altered me. Whatever it

was took a few months to really transform me, and when it did, I then

became a " bug magnet " . Whatever these bugs were took to me because

of this alteration, and they are no longer attracted/breeding in me

because I have been working on building my health/immunity at the

same time I was " purging " these things from my skin.

Just one possible construction...could be off base...always subject

to modification.

This is a dreary journey, even when it seems to be mostly behind me.

In addition to being physically changed, the mental/emotional

alteration I doubt will ever be undone. Like PTSD, I guess.

Bessie

> > >

> > > Some things I wonder about:

> > >

> > > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their

household

> > who

> > > is NOT affected?

> > >

> > > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected

at

> > least

> > > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

> > >

> > > 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing

out

> > > almost everything?

> > >

> > > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of

virtually

> > > everything and had NO success?

> > >

> > > 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged)

mite

> > from

> > > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful

> magnifier

> > to

> > > see if you succeeded with that)

> > >

> > > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from

the

> > > environment only to go on to develop another problem

(especially

> > > fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

> > >

> > > Bessie

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

WOW, trly! Talk about being ahead of her time!

I see the house of cards (our world) begin to collapse around us.

Yes, I think that we are on the verge of a global depression, at

least one plague - could be Lyme disease (if anyone is following what

is going on with that) and will soon be visited by biological warfare

as has been in the headlines the past few days.

What will then happen? Maybe mankind will go back to doing things

the way your grandmother did. There is already a movement away from

the GMO foods to Organics - even mainstream doctors are talking about

it. And if we don't really have currency that will buy what we need,

if it is even available, what will we do? Grow our own and barter

for what we need.

I'm sorry for running off like this...

Bessie

> >

> > Joan & trlyblest -

> > One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there is

> > something inherently different about those of us who get affected

> vs

> > those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have

> > responded and you both have experience with at least one other

> person

> > unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my

> sisters

> > visited with me for a week at a time twice during my infestation

> and

> > did not pick it up.

> > Some years ago one of my parakeets developed " scaley face " while

> none

> > of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other birds'

> > immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one

(although

> > genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.

> > I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and

> others.

> > Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection by an

> > unrelated " something " that actually changes us so that we ATTRACT

> > and " breed " these things that have no business being in us?

> > There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning

> toward

> > the third of these.

> > Bessie

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Fabulous, Frito -

Well, not fabulous, horrible actually, but you know what I mean!

I'd love to hear what happened to the one you applied orange oil to...

I am waiting for a response to an email I sent to someone involved in

this research to get the info on the entomologist she has worked

with. I shold know by the end of today. Will get to you as soon as

I get the answer.

Thanks, Frito

Bessie

> >

> > 1.  yes

> > 2.  yes

> > 3.  Ray

> > 4.  yes

> > 5.  Most definately yes.  Even watched a couple crawl.

> > 6.  yes

> >

> >

> >  

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Bessie Glavas <bessieglavas@ ...>

> > bird mites

> > Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 8:23:36 AM

> > Subject: A " mini-poll "

> >

> >

> > Some things I wonder about:

> >

> > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household

> who

> > is NOT affected?

> >

> > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at

> least

> > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

> >

> > 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> > almost everything?

> >

> > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> > everything and had NO success?

> >

> > 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite

> from

> > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful

magnifier

> to

> > see if you succeeded with that)

> >

> > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> > fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

> >

> > Bessie

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Bessie, I am glad your MS is better. I have a friend who has it along with Rheumatoid. She is in terrible pain all the time and has tried every med there is. Only one helped her much and she got immune to it and has taken only steroids (horrible) for the past year, but that is the only way she can function. She is going to try the drug that helped her again after being off it a year and I sure hope it works for her.

Wish we could hear more success stories.

Joan

Re: A "mini-poll"

Joan -Something just occurred to me as another alternative that is actually a combination of two of them.I, too, had been on immunity-suppression medication. Starting 11/06 I was self injecting Betaseron every other day for MS (it is an anti-viral that has immunity suppression effects). At the end of 3 months I got horribly ill, with a flu-like something. I was prescribed a slew of meds to counteract it, but nothing helped. I then started taking things to build up my immune system, figuring that I couldn't get rid of whatever it was because my immune system had been trashed. So this is what I am now considering: The immunity-suppression made me contract "something" that fundamentally altered me. Whatever it was took a few months to really transform me, and when it did, I then became a "bug magnet". Whatever these bugs were took to me because of this alteration, and they are no longer attracted/breeding in me because I have been working on building my health/immunity at the same time I was "purging" these things from my skin.Just one possible construction...could be off base...always subject to modification.This is a dreary journey, even when it seems to be mostly behind me. In addition to being physically changed, the mental/emotional alteration I doubt will ever be undone. Like PTSD, I guess.Bessie> > >> > > Some things I wonder about:> > > > > > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household > > who > > > is NOT affected?> > > > > > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at > > least > > > 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?> > > > > > 3 - Has anyone "defeated" this without moving and/or throwing out > > > almost everything?> > > > > > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually > > > everything and had NO success?> > > > > > 5 - Has anyone ever "captured" a clearly defined (8 legged) mite > > from > > > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful > magnifier > > to > > > see if you succeeded with that)> > > > > > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the > > > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially > > > fibers, cacoons, "glitter" etc)?> > > > > > Bessie> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Joan,

I'm thinking of using Gabapentin at some point, because I think part

of my problem is that I'm feeling bugs on my skin that were probably

on my skin before, but I didn't notice them. I don't think I have any

bird mites now. I recently found out that Gabapentin is used to

reduce hot flashes in menopausal women, so I could kill two birds with

one stone, so to speak. Gabapentin appears to have serious side

effects, as you've mentioned in your other posts, but it might be

worth it. How long did Neal take it for? Did he stop taking it as

soon as the crawling sensations stopped, or did he follow instructions

from his M.D.? Thanks for you help Joan.

myrtle

>

> Bessie, I never contacted mites while Neal was suffering with them

and the only things we got rid of were the mattress he slept on and

all our down pillows. So far we have been doing okay unless Neal's

crawling sensation turns out to be a return instead of his nervous

system. I sincerely hope it is the latter.

> Thank you for all your encouragement and suggestions on this site.

I think we have a great group again.

> Joan

>

> A " mini-poll "

>

>

> Some things I wonder about:

>

> 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who

> is NOT affected?

>

> 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least

> 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

>

> 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> almost everything?

>

> 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> everything and had NO success?

>

> 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite from

> using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to

> see if you succeeded with that)

>

> 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

>

> Bessie

>

[Guest guest]

Bessie,

In my case, I believe it is my mycoplasma infection that created the

weakness in my system so that the bugs could take up residence in my

skin, and who knows what else -- my lungs? I was diagnosed with

mycoplasma pneumonia in June 2005 and the antibiotics I took at that

time did not completely cure me. I got better but didn't feel healthy

after the pneumonia. Then in July 2007 I got the chicken mites and

whatever else the chicken mites may have transmitted to me.

Last night I tried the MMS for the first time, just one drop. I have

been apprehensive about using this stuff and have read the

instructions many times. There is the potential to damage the heart,

brain and eyes if it isn't used correctly (in coordination with

anti-oxidants), and I am at risk for going blind, so I don't want to

mess around. Anyway, maybe it's my imagination, but I feel a little

better this morning. I woke up and coughed up a bunch of mucus from

my lungs. I've been having difficulty breathing lately, so this is a

relief.

Is MMS one of the things you've taken to improve your immunity? I'm

taking it in an attempt to kill off the mycoplasma that I believe is

still in my body.

myrtle

> >

> > Bessie, for one thing I grew up on a farm and fooled with chickens

> all my younger years - mites and all.

> > No. 2 is that Neal has Rheumatoid Arthritis and takes

> immunosuppressant drugs. I know his immune

> > system is weaker than mine. That is the only difference I can

> figure out. He also was around chickens

> > when he was younger.

> > Joan

> >

> > Re: A " mini-poll "

> >

> >

> > Joan & trlyblest -

> > One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there is

> > something inherently different about those of us who get affected

> vs

> > those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have

> > responded and you both have experience with at least one other

> person

> > unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my

> sisters

> > visited with me for a week at a time twice during my infestation

> and

> > did not pick it up.

> > Some years ago one of my parakeets developed " scaley face " while

> none

> > of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other birds'

> > immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one

> (although

> > genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.

> > I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and

> others.

> > Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection by an

> > unrelated " something " that actually changes us so that we ATTRACT

> > and " breed " these things that have no business being in us?

> > There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning

> toward

> > the third of these.

> > Bessie

[Guest guest]

Bessie,

I hate to be a pessimist but I feel that it's too late to go back and

do things the way the " old timers " used too. Ohh.. I'm sure that we

will weather it the best way we know how and can.

But our soils are contaminated... our honey bees are on the verge of

demise because of GMO's... Pesticides and chemicals of some sort and

to some degree are used EVERYWHERE and are in EVERYTHING. Including

our drinking water. We have become dependent on our government...

their factories and their " ideas " on what " they " think is best " for

us " . We are their guinnea pigs... and they have failed us miserably.

Just my 2 cents worth Bessie! Like you I could go on and on and on!

lol!

Hugs to you gal!

Trly

>

> WOW, trly! Talk about being ahead of her time!

> I see the house of cards (our world) begin to collapse around us.

> Yes, I think that we are on the verge of a global depression, at

> least one plague - could be Lyme disease (if anyone is following

what

> is going on with that) and will soon be visited by biological

warfare

> as has been in the headlines the past few days.

> What will then happen? Maybe mankind will go back to doing things

> the way your grandmother did. There is already a movement away

from

> the GMO foods to Organics - even mainstream doctors are talking

about

> it. And if we don't really have currency that will buy what we

need,

> if it is even available, what will we do? Grow our own and barter

> for what we need.

> I'm sorry for running off like this...

> Bessie

>

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Myrtyle -

I have heard a couple of people state that they believe Mycoplasma is

the agent. I was tested for Mycoplasma pneumonia in March, and had

very low levels of it, indicating a " old " resolved infection

( " negative " ). Of course, that was a full year after I " got " whatever

it was. I have heard Mycoplasma fermentans mentioned, but I was

never tested for that.

Here are the things that I used:

colostrum, glutathione, beta-glucon (griffon brand, the liquid),

probiotics, and elderberry. Also used the more common things like

garlic, blueberries and other foods, as well as vitamins/minerals.

Also used milk thistle for liver support.

Detoxing with Peach Tea and Opaline dry oxy caps helps your body

to " clear " so it can function better, as well.

One thing that is very clear when it comes to immunity-trashing is

STRESS. All my life I've gotten cold sores whenever under a lot of

stress...what could be more stressful than this??? Two natural

things you can take for that are Valerian and Holy Basil; you can

also take melatonin for help with sleep. Unfortunately, I had to add

Xanax to all that (minimal amounts only when needed) because there

are some very serious medical issues going on within my family, and

just about everyone is over-stressed about it.

I think any prescription medications carry some risk with fighting

this, but sometimes it comes down to the lesser of two evils. I

think I would do more harm to myself by avoiding the Xanax and going

into a tailspin than by taking it. Such is life.

Bessie

I guess overall healthy diet, organic when you can (who can afford

all this???).

> > >

> > > Bessie, for one thing I grew up on a farm and fooled with

chickens

> > all my younger years - mites and all.

> > > No. 2 is that Neal has Rheumatoid Arthritis and takes

> > immunosuppressant drugs. I know his immune

> > > system is weaker than mine. That is the only difference I can

> > figure out. He also was around chickens

> > > when he was younger.

> > > Joan

> > >

> > > Re: A " mini-poll "

> > >

> > >

> > > Joan & trlyblest -

> > > One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there

is

> > > something inherently different about those of us who get

affected

> > vs

> > > those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have

> > > responded and you both have experience with at least one

other

> > person

> > > unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my

> > sisters

> > > visited with me for a week at a time twice during my

infestation

> > and

> > > did not pick it up.

> > > Some years ago one of my parakeets developed " scaley face "

while

> > none

> > > of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other

birds'

> > > immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one

> > (although

> > > genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.

> > > I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and

> > others.

> > > Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection

by an

> > > unrelated " something " that actually changes us so that we

ATTRACT

> > > and " breed " these things that have no business being in us?

> > > There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning

> > toward

> > > the third of these.

> > > Bessie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Myrtle,

I too got mites some months after having severe brochitis (for over a month) and likely pneumonia (but I neglected to get a diagnosis from the doctor). I think I may have a mycoplasma infection as well. I have been on MMS for about a month now. I worked my dosage up to 15 drops per day, and maintained that dosage for over a week. I then reduced my dosage slowly to 6 drops per day, which is what I am taking now. I am still affected by the mites, but maybe to a lesser degree. It seems to early to tell.

I haven't paid too much attention to the precautions with MMS to prevent brain, eye and heart damage. I better look into it!

-requireshelp

From: myrtle_maui <myrtle_maui@...>bird mites Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 12:32:39 PMSubject: Re: A "mini-poll"

Bessie,In my case, I believe it is my mycoplasma infection that created theweakness in my system so that the bugs could take up residence in myskin, and who knows what else -- my lungs? I was diagnosed withmycoplasma pneumonia in June 2005 and the antibiotics I took at thattime did not completely cure me. I got better but didn't feel healthyafter the pneumonia. Then in July 2007 I got the chicken mites andwhatever else the chicken mites may have transmitted to me.Last night I tried the MMS for the first time, just one drop. I havebeen apprehensive about using this stuff and have read theinstructions many times. There is the potential to damage the heart,brain and eyes if it isn't used correctly (in coordination withanti-oxidants) , and I am at risk for going blind, so I don't want tomess around. Anyway, maybe it's my imagination, but I feel a littlebetter this morning. I woke up and

coughed up a bunch of mucus frommy lungs. I've been having difficulty breathing lately, so this is arelief.Is MMS one of the things you've taken to improve your immunity? I'mtaking it in an attempt to kill off the mycoplasma that I believe isstill in my body.myrtle> >> > Bessie, for one thing I grew up on a farm and fooled with chickens > all my younger years - mites and all.> > No. 2 is that Neal has Rheumatoid Arthritis and takes > immunosuppressant drugs. I know his immune> > system is weaker than mine. That is the only difference I can > figure out. He also was around chickens > > when he was younger.> > Joan> > > > Re: A "mini-poll"> > > > > > Joan & trlyblest -> > One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there is > > something inherently different about those of us who get affected > vs > > those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have > > responded and you both have experience with at least one other > person > > unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my > sisters > > visited with me for a week at a time twice during my infestation > and > > did not pick it up.> > Some years ago one of my parakeets developed "scaley face" while > none > > of my other birds did.

The vet explained that the other birds' > > immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one > (although > > genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.> > I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and > others. > > Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection by an > > unrelated "something" that actually changes us so that we ATTRACT > > and "breed" these things that have no business being in us?> > There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning > toward > > the third of these. > > Bessie

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Trly -

I totally agree...I hate to go into a doomsday scenario, but it may

well be when all is said and done with these trends that have so much

momentum behind them, that there will not be too many left to start

over. It seems that the world is at least 10 years behind their

awareness of what is well underway.

By the time we finally came to hear our president say the

words " global warming " the caps are melting at an alarming rate, etc,

and how far are we from ceasing to create the pollution that has

caused this?

Just yesterday he finally announced " We are in a recession " - this,

the day after the announcement was made that we have been in one for

a whole year.

I don't know that any man in our history has undertaken a more

difficult mandate than Obama is about to. I PRAY I am wrong, but I

don't see how he can turn all this stuff around.

Bessie

> >

> > WOW, trly! Talk about being ahead of her time!

> > I see the house of cards (our world) begin to collapse around us.

> > Yes, I think that we are on the verge of a global depression, at

> > least one plague - could be Lyme disease (if anyone is following

> what

> > is going on with that) and will soon be visited by biological

> warfare

> > as has been in the headlines the past few days.

> > What will then happen? Maybe mankind will go back to doing

things

> > the way your grandmother did. There is already a movement away

> from

> > the GMO foods to Organics - even mainstream doctors are talking

> about

> > it. And if we don't really have currency that will buy what we

> need,

> > if it is even available, what will we do? Grow our own and

barter

> > for what we need.

> > I'm sorry for running off like this...

> > Bessie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

1 Everyone (2 people + 2 dogs) is infected

2 Husband caught them from me or my old house before we were married

3 Defeated w/out moving? no. Didn't defeat w/moving and getting rid

of everything either tho. It wasn't about that. It was about me and

what's in my skin.

4 Moved twice, started over completely once

5 8-legged mites yes. One bird, one bedbug. Have images I

photographed thru my digivision scope. But that is only a couple of

many who have found me.

6 oh god yes. From the beginning almost.

Good questions.

KJ

> Some things I wonder about:

> 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household

who is NOT affected?

> 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at

least 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

> 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> almost everything?

> 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> everything and had NO success?

> 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite

from

> using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier

to

> see if you succeeded with that)

>

> 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

>

> Bessie

>

[Guest guest]

Hmmm..that seems like another question that should be added to

the " poll " as it seems like at least 3 of us had a very similar thing

within 1 - 4 months of mite problems.

Anyone else???

Bessie

> > >

> > > Bessie, for one thing I grew up on a farm and fooled with

chickens

> > all my younger years - mites and all.

> > > No. 2 is that Neal has Rheumatoid Arthritis and takes

> > immunosuppressant drugs. I know his immune

> > > system is weaker than mine. That is the only difference I can

> > figure out. He also was around chickens

> > > when he was younger.

> > > Joan

> > >

> > > Re: A " mini-poll "

> > >

> > >

> > > Joan & trlyblest -

> > > One of the things I am trying to determine is whether there is

> > > something inherently different about those of us who get

affected

> > vs

> > > those who don't. You two are the only ones (so far) who have

> > > responded and you both have experience with at least one other

> > person

> > > unaffected who is living in the same environment. One of my

> > sisters

> > > visited with me for a week at a time twice during my

infestation

> > and

> > > did not pick it up.

> > > Some years ago one of my parakeets developed " scaley face "

while

> > none

> > > of my other birds did. The vet explained that the other birds'

> > > immune systems were able to deal with it, while this one

> > (although

> > > genetically related) was not. Ivermectin cleared it right up.

> > > I am hypothesizing that there is a difference between us and

> > others.

> > > Is it acquired immunity, genetic pre-disposition, infection by

an

> > > unrelated " something " that actually changes us so that we

ATTRACT

> > > and " breed " these things that have no business being in us?

> > > There are probably other ways of looking at it. I am leaning

> > toward

> > > the third of these.

> > > Bessie

>

>

>

>

>

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jill -

Well, this really is beginning to confirm that this is more about us

than it is about the environment. Did you have anything like

bronchitis/sinusitis/pneumonia within 6 months of the mite problem?

Still thinking that " something " (maybe mycoplasma?) infected us first

and did some damage to us, transformed us in some way that made us

attract bugs.

Bessie

> > Some things I wonder about:

> > 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household

> who is NOT affected?

> > 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at

> least 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

> > 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> > almost everything?

> > 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> > everything and had NO success?

> > 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite

> from

> > using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful

magnifier

> to

> > see if you succeeded with that)

> >

> > 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> > environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> > fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

> >

> > Bessie

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bessie

Great questions

and I found everyones comments so interesting....especially the

dialogue between trly and you Bessie....

1. No, everyone was infected to some degree

2. No, We all developed rashes at about the same time, though I was

the only one that felt biting sensations.

3. Yes, We kept all carpeting, beds, furniture.

4. No, We didnt move while our home was infested, we did go on a 3 week

get away in our families cabin which helped.

5. No we didnt ever capture anything

6. I noticed the tiny fibers almost from the beginning of the mitemare

z

[Guest guest]

>

> Some things I wonder about:

>

> 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who

> is NOT affected?

>

> 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least

> 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

>

> 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> almost everything?

>

> 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> everything and had NO success?

>

> 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite from

> using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to

> see if you succeeded with that)

>

> 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

>

> Bessie

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Some things I wonder about:

>

> 1 - Does anyone have at least one other person in their household who

> is NOT affected?

>

> 2 - Does anyone have a household member who became affected at least

> 6 months AFTER the initial infestation?

>

> 3 - Has anyone " defeated " this without moving and/or throwing out

> almost everything?

>

> 4 - Has anyone moved at least 3 times and gotten rid of virtually

> everything and had NO success?

>

> 5 - Has anyone ever " captured " a clearly defined (8 legged) mite from

> using packing tape on their skin? (you'd need a powerful magnifier to

> see if you succeeded with that)

>

> 6 - How many people have moved from feeling bites/stings from the

> environment only to go on to develop another problem (especially

> fibers, cacoons, " glitter " etc)?

>

> Bessie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Requireshelp,

These are the instructions I've been reading:

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/MMS.html

(Thanks Frito, for posting the link)

Towards the end of the document, there is a section called " Oxidants

vs. Antioxidants " where the author talks about potential harm to the

heart, brain and eyes. Here's part of it:

Antioxidant deficiency is common with chronic diseases and advancing

age. High intake or prolonged use of MMS will make this situation

worse. Therefore it is important to increase antioxidant intake when

using MMS. However, oxidants and antioxidants should be separated

during the day or they may neutralize each other. For instance you may

be using MMS before breakfast and at bedtime and antioxidants from

mid-morning to the evening meal.

This does not only apply to antioxidants in supplement form, such as

vitamin C and E, B-complex, coenzyme Q10 or grapeseed extract, but

also to food high in antioxidants, such as purple berries and juices,

fresh fruit, polyunsaturated oils, turmeric, black or green tea, cocoa

and others. Because chlorine dioxide reacts especially well with

vitamin C, it is advisable to take 1 gram or more when on a high dose

of MMS for more than a few days to protect oxidation-sensitive

structures, such as heart, brain and eyes.

(end of excerpt)

I gather you've been taking the MMS orally, not transdermally? I am

wondering if perhaps you should have stayed at the 15 drops per day

dose for longer than one week. I really don't know. Here is another

excerpt from the document:

For most conditions Humble regards the intensive MMS treatment as

completed after taking 15 drops two or three times daily for one week.

If you cannot reach this level then just remain somewhat longer at the

highest dose that you can use. Following this Humble recommends a

maintenance intake for older individuals of 6 drops daily and for

younger individuals of 6 drops twice weekly.

(end of excerpt)

I can't imagine taking 15 drops 2-3 times daily. My stomach is sore

from just one drop last night.

It sounds like you're making progress and improving, so that's

encouraging to hear.

Kind regards,

myrtle

> >

> > Joan -

> > Something just occurred to me as another alternative that is actually

> > a combination of two of them.

> > I, too, had been on immunity-suppressio n medication. Starting 11/06

> > I was self injecting Betaseron every other day for MS (it is an anti-

> > viral that has immunity suppression effects). At the end of 3 months

> > I got horribly ill, with a flu-like something. I was prescribed a

> > slew of meds to counteract it, but nothing helped. I then started

> > taking things to build up my immune system, figuring that I couldn't

> > get rid of whatever it was because my immune system had been

> > trashed.

> > So this is what I am now considering: The immunity-suppressio n made

> > me contract " something " that fundamentally altered me. Whatever it

> > was took a few months to really transform me, and when it did, I then

> > became a " bug magnet " . Whatever these bugs were took to me because

> > of this alteration, and they are no longer attracted/breeding in me

> > because I have been working on building my health/immunity at the

> > same time I was " purging " these things from my skin.

> > Just one possible construction. ..could be off base...always subject

> > to modification.

> > This is a dreary journey, even when it seems to be mostly behind me.

> > In addition to being physically changed, the mental/emotional

> > alteration I doubt will ever be undone. Like PTSD, I guess.

> > Bessie