Hello

[Guest guest]

Hi Laa,

Pretty name, and more unusual than my own :-)

I understood what you had gone through, not knowing of your parental rights and

all, I've gone through that myself, just recently here.

I especially liked what I read when you wrote " Lurk and Learn " , I thought, yeah,

that's me pretty much! My kids are pretty grown, 26, 23 and 15. I lived in

Germany for about 28 yrs, and they were pretty cool about most of the

vaccinations given to children. If you knew what your rights were, and contested

against them, they eventually would accept it, for most vaccines. Some are

mandatory, and >I don't think you really have much of a choice, like the polio

vaccine and having to take a TB test. Most of the others are optional.

Now I've been confronted by the high school where I've registered my 15 yr. old,

to have the chicken pox vaccine, which I am totally against. He did receive the

Hep B last yr., when we traveled to Mexico, but that was OUR choice, and I

thought, for our safety, as we would visit the country and not the resorts.

It has been very interesting on this list so far, and I'm so happy two people

from another list I am on, suggested I join here. I have also been using

homeopathic medicines since 1983 and swear on it that that is the way to go. The

Bach Flower Remedies have also been in our medicine cabinet since over 16 yrs

now, which has also proved to be very useful and healing.

Thank you, Sheri, for having us here. It's becoming a staple for me :-)

Happy Healing!

Aldona Guenter

Hello

My name is Laa. I am the mother of 2 year old Lillian and 7

month old Lucas. I did not know about any of my rights as a parent when Lillian

was born. She was 4 lbs. 8 oz. and 18.5 inches long. She was the skinniest thing

I'd ever seen but she was fierce and I thought, 'uh oh! She's a powerful person.

We're in for a ride. ' Immediately they gave her a few shots. Then, they told

me what they'd done. They didn't ask first. I looked at my tiny baby and FREAKED

OUT inside. I didin't say anything to anyone becuase I didn't know I could. When

I got home, I began to read. When I found out that I could split the

vaccinations up and give them to her one at a time I did that, but still didn't

get any relief inside. I did not feel any relief until I decided not to

vaccinate her at all anymore. Lucas has never been vaccinated. I now wonder if I

am making the correct decision. Were my fears just because Lillian was so tiny

and looked so fragile to me? I will never

know. She's

perfectly healthy now and there was no damage from the vaccinations that she

did have.

I am here mostly to lurk and learn. I will comment here and there but I do not

anticipate actively posting a lot. I will read 99% of what comes through.

I look forward to meeting some new friends here.

Laa

[Guest guest]

That little doubt or nagging voice that " something is not right about vaxing " ,is

your mother's instinct telling you something. Listen to it....I had my first

daughter when I was 18. I didn't know any better and did'nt know how to access

the information,Now she is so messed up...she has " hyper issuses " ,can't really

focus on something for a long period of time and she could'nt get through high

school because of all her health problems of having some sort of medical problem

every week,either she's got a cold,the flu,or some stomach bug,and she gets very

sore and aches a lot when the weather gets cold..says she feels like she's 40

yrs old and she's only 17. Some of her issues stem from her not listening to me

about eating to much fast food with her friends and smoking and stuff,but I

believe most of her issues are related to being vaxed.

I had a 15 yr old daughter...she was brillant...made straight a's since

kindergarten,honor roll all the time,never gave me many problems,did'nt talk

back...the kind of child most parents wish they had...she got cancer when she

was 12,was treated,and went into remission...in June of 05 she started having

problems again,and she passed away in November of 05,and we believe the cancer

was caused by her polio vaccines.After doing research, we discovered that the

polio vaccines were containimated with the SV40 virus...it was discovered years

ago,and it was supposed to be removed off the market and these vaccines were not

supposed to be used again but it was discovered that some companies were lying

about getting rid of contanimated vaccines,and after doing research,I found out

that the SV40 virus was found in many children when they passed away from the

brain tumors if the parents wanted autopsies done after death.

So listen to that doubt you have...I had that " nagging feeling " everytime they

got a shot and I just thought I felt funny about it because it hurt them to be

poked with a needle,years later I have learned to trust my instincts and what

they tell me,but I will never have the opportunity to turn back time and change

the outcome of things but I have learned a lot and my smaller kids will not be

vaxed ever...

Hello

My name is Laa. I am the mother of 2 year old Lillian and 7 month old

Lucas. I did not know about any of my rights as a parent when Lillian was born.

She was 4 lbs. 8 oz. and 18.5 inches long. She was the skinniest thing I'd ever

seen but she was fierce and I thought, 'uh oh! She's a powerful person. We're in

for a ride. ' Immediately they gave her a few shots. Then, they told me what

they'd done. They didn't ask first. I looked at my tiny baby and FREAKED OUT

inside. I didin't say anything to anyone becuase I didn't know I could. When I

got home, I began to read. When I found out that I could split the vaccinations

up and give them to her one at a time I did that, but still didn't get any

relief inside. I did not feel any relief until I decided not to vaccinate her at

all anymore. Lucas has never been vaccinated. I now wonder if I am making the

correct decision. Were my fears just because Lillian was so tiny and looked so

fragile to me? I will never know. She's

perfectly healthy now and there was no damage from the vaccinations that she

did have.

I am here mostly to lurk and learn. I will comment here and there but I do not

anticipate actively posting a lot. I will read 99% of what comes through.

I look forward to meeting some new friends here.

Laa

[Guest guest]

Hi Laa,

welcome to the group. What an intersting introduction. You will find

many likeminded people and friends here. I have learned a huge amount

in a very short time, people here are very generous with information

and time.

Ingrid

>

> My name is Laa. I am the mother of 2 year old Lillian and 7

month old Lucas. I did not know about any of my rights as a parent

when Lillian was born. She was 4 lbs. 8 oz. and 18.5 inches long. She

was the skinniest thing I'd ever seen but she was fierce and I

thought, 'uh oh! She's a powerful person. We're in for a ride. '

Immediately they gave her a few shots. Then, they told me what they'd

done. They didn't ask first. I looked at my tiny baby and FREAKED OUT

inside. I didin't say anything to anyone becuase I didn't know I

could. When I got home, I began to read. When I found out that I could

split the vaccinations up and give them to her one at a time I did

that, but still didn't get any relief inside. I did not feel any

relief until I decided not to vaccinate her at all anymore. Lucas has

never been vaccinated. I now wonder if I am making the correct

decision. Were my fears just because Lillian was so tiny and looked so

fragile to me? I will never know. She's

> perfectly healthy now and there was no damage from the vaccinations

that she did have.

>

> I am here mostly to lurk and learn. I will comment here and there

but I do not anticipate actively posting a lot. I will read 99% of

what comes through.

>

> I look forward to meeting some new friends here.

>

> Laa

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

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Welcome back. Not sure of your name. YES the weight does come on so fast BUT takes forever to come off. What plan do you follow? No matter what portions, water, and exercise are key to any program.

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WOW Debby!! Amazing. Good for you and keep it up!

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[Guest guest]

> The youth and I just finished a 30 hour famine where all we

> could drink was water for 30 hours to raise money for World Vision

> we raised over 600 dollars

> Today my grandchildren and I walked for 3 hours for Autism

Congrats! You've been busy AND helping some great causes! Good to hear from

you - now don't be such a stranger!

Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

I'm shocked that so many of you are being asked to sign these forms. My oldest

is 13 and I've never signed one that I know of.

I think the Gardasil shot is the biggest marketing scam since sliced bread.

Others may have actual info -- but you also might check in the archives.

Hello

Hi,

My name is and I am a SAHM of 4 beautiful children, ages

14,11,4,2. My older two children have had all of the " required "

shots that the pediatricians emphasize are so necessary. I stopped

vaccinating when my two year old was 6 mos old, that is when I became

wise in my older age and realized that this was not a required thing

nor a good decision for my children. Since then I have had a lot of

strange looks, but after lengthy conversations with my pediatrician

and hours of internet research I simply cringe at the thought of

vaccinations and have recently signed the " refusal to vaccinate " that

is required here in the State of Louisiana.

I joined this board to gain more knowledge about why NOT to vaccinate

and to be able to go somewhere for support and answers to any

obstacles or questions that I may have, and hopefully educate my

friends and family who are unaware of the dangers. I also have a

cousin that has a daughter who is 14 and autistic and I believe that

it is from her being vaccinated, although her parents disagree.

When I last visited my pediatrician she handed me the sheet on the

Guardasil shot for young girls to prevent cervical cancer, of course

I am not going to allow my daughter to have this shot but I was

wondering if any of you have any information on it?

" sweating in the heat " Louisiana

[Guest guest]

there are other links in here too

http://v.mercola.com/blogs/public_blog/Three-Girls-Died--Others-

Hospitalized--After-HPV-Vaccine-21325.aspx

HPV is 100% avoidable. Instead of giving girls these vaccines they

should invest the money to teach and promote safe sex and

abstinence.

Oh.....and welcome to the group. Where about in Louisiana are you?

I've been to New Orleans twice...absolutely loved it

>

> Hi,

>

> My name is and I am a SAHM of 4 beautiful children, ages

> 14,11,4,2. My older two children have had all of the " required "

> shots that the pediatricians emphasize are so necessary. I

stopped

> vaccinating when my two year old was 6 mos old, that is when I

became

> wise in my older age and realized that this was not a required

thing

> nor a good decision for my children. Since then I have had a lot

of

> strange looks, but after lengthy conversations with my

pediatrician

> and hours of internet research I simply cringe at the thought of

> vaccinations and have recently signed the " refusal to vaccinate "

that

> is required here in the State of Louisiana.

>

> I joined this board to gain more knowledge about why NOT to

vaccinate

> and to be able to go somewhere for support and answers to any

> obstacles or questions that I may have, and hopefully educate my

> friends and family who are unaware of the dangers. I also have a

> cousin that has a daughter who is 14 and autistic and I believe

that

> it is from her being vaccinated, although her parents disagree.

>

> When I last visited my pediatrician she handed me the sheet on the

> Guardasil shot for young girls to prevent cervical cancer, of

course

> I am not going to allow my daughter to have this shot but I was

> wondering if any of you have any information on it?

>

>

> " sweating in the heat " Louisiana

>

[Guest guest]

Not fully true Vida, as HPV has other means of getting acquired. I wrote an

op-ed on it and there are at least fivce other ways a woman can get it:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/03/12/EDGC7N734I1.DTL & hw=M\

ary+Clemons & sn=001 & sc=1000

Re: Hello

there are other links in here too

http://v.mercola. com/blogs/ public_blog/ Three-Girls- Died--Others-

Hospitalized- -After-HPV- Vaccine-21325. aspx

HPV is 100% avoidable. Instead of giving girls these vaccines they

should invest the money to teach and promote safe sex and

abstinence.

Oh.....and welcome to the group. Where about in Louisiana are you?

I've been to New Orleans twice...absolutely loved it

>

> Hi,

>

> My name is and I am a SAHM of 4 beautiful children, ages

> 14,11,4,2. My older two children have had all of the " required "

> shots that the pediatricians emphasize are so necessary. I

stopped

> vaccinating when my two year old was 6 mos old, that is when I

became

> wise in my older age and realized that this was not a required

thing

> nor a good decision for my children. Since then I have had a lot

of

> strange looks, but after lengthy conversations with my

pediatrician

> and hours of internet research I simply cringe at the thought of

> vaccinations and have recently signed the " refusal to vaccinate "

that

> is required here in the State of Louisiana.

>

> I joined this board to gain more knowledge about why NOT to

vaccinate

> and to be able to go somewhere for support and answers to any

> obstacles or questions that I may have, and hopefully educate my

> friends and family who are unaware of the dangers. I also have a

> cousin that has a daughter who is 14 and autistic and I believe

that

> it is from her being vaccinated, although her parents disagree.

>

> When I last visited my pediatrician she handed me the sheet on the

> Guardasil shot for young girls to prevent cervical cancer, of

course

> I am not going to allow my daughter to have this shot but I was

> wondering if any of you have any information on it?

>

>

> " sweating in the heat " Louisiana

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for clearing that up for me, actually I've read very

few articles regarding HPV so I don't know very much about it. I do

know that ultimately most cancers are caused by free radicals and

lack of antioxidants, but I do get confused when it comes to HPV.

The few types of HPV supposedly guarded against by Gardasil, are

they sexually transmitted only or can those also be aquired in other

ways?

-- In Vaccinations , Clemons

<clemonsmary@...> wrote:

>

> Not fully true Vida, as HPV has other means of getting acquired. I

wrote an op-ed on it and there are at least fivce other ways a woman

can get it:

>

> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?

f=/c/a/2007/03/12/EDGC7N734I1.DTL & hw=+Clemons & sn=001 & sc=1000

>

>

>

>

> Re: Hello

>

> there are other links in here too

> http://v.mercola. com/blogs/ public_blog/ Three-Girls- Died--

Others-

> Hospitalized- -After-HPV- Vaccine-21325. aspx

>

> HPV is 100% avoidable. Instead of giving girls these vaccines they

> should invest the money to teach and promote safe sex and

> abstinence.

>

> Oh.....and welcome to the group. Where about in Louisiana are you?

> I've been to New Orleans twice...absolutely loved it

>

>

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My name is and I am a SAHM of 4 beautiful children, ages

> > 14,11,4,2. My older two children have had all of the " required "

> > shots that the pediatricians emphasize are so necessary. I

> stopped

> > vaccinating when my two year old was 6 mos old, that is when I

> became

> > wise in my older age and realized that this was not a required

> thing

> > nor a good decision for my children. Since then I have had a lot

> of

> > strange looks, but after lengthy conversations with my

> pediatrician

> > and hours of internet research I simply cringe at the thought of

> > vaccinations and have recently signed the " refusal to vaccinate "

> that

> > is required here in the State of Louisiana.

> >

> > I joined this board to gain more knowledge about why NOT to

> vaccinate

> > and to be able to go somewhere for support and answers to any

> > obstacles or questions that I may have, and hopefully educate my

> > friends and family who are unaware of the dangers. I also have a

> > cousin that has a daughter who is 14 and autistic and I believe

> that

> > it is from her being vaccinated, although her parents disagree.

> >

> > When I last visited my pediatrician she handed me the sheet on

the

> > Guardasil shot for young girls to prevent cervical cancer, of

> course

> > I am not going to allow my daughter to have this shot but I was

> > wondering if any of you have any information on it?

> >

> >

> > " sweating in the heat " Louisiana

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

To my understanding they are both sexually transmitted and can be gotten other

ways. That's one reason thsi vaccine is such a joke. There are more than 100

different strains that fall under the term HPV. The vaccines supposedly is able

to block TWO strains, and can help (again, supposedly) the TWO other strains

that cause herpes (something to that effect, it's in the op-ed).

The whole thing is about money. They figured out a way to show something with

HPV and they know that Americans love their sex, so they're targeting AIDS

people and young women. FEAR< FEAR< FEAR.

More women die of breast cancer every year than HPV. What I have never

understood is why everyone is willing to " search for a cure " instead of

searching to prevent!

Re: Hello

>

> there are other links in here too

> http://v.mercola. com/blogs/ public_blog/ Three-Girls- Died--

Others-

> Hospitalized- -After-HPV- Vaccine-21325. aspx

>

> HPV is 100% avoidable. Instead of giving girls these vaccines they

> should invest the money to teach and promote safe sex and

> abstinence.

>

> Oh.....and welcome to the group. Where about in Louisiana are you?

> I've been to New Orleans twice...absolutely loved it

>

>

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > My name is and I am a SAHM of 4 beautiful children, ages

> > 14,11,4,2. My older two children have had all of the " required "

> > shots that the pediatricians emphasize are so necessary. I

> stopped

> > vaccinating when my two year old was 6 mos old, that is when I

> became

> > wise in my older age and realized that this was not a required

> thing

> > nor a good decision for my children. Since then I have had a lot

> of

> > strange looks, but after lengthy conversations with my

> pediatrician

> > and hours of internet research I simply cringe at the thought of

> > vaccinations and have recently signed the " refusal to vaccinate "

> that

> > is required here in the State of Louisiana.

> >

> > I joined this board to gain more knowledge about why NOT to

> vaccinate

> > and to be able to go somewhere for support and answers to any

> > obstacles or questions that I may have, and hopefully educate my

> > friends and family who are unaware of the dangers. I also have a

> > cousin that has a daughter who is 14 and autistic and I believe

> that

> > it is from her being vaccinated, although her parents disagree.

> >

> > When I last visited my pediatrician she handed me the sheet on

the

> > Guardasil shot for young girls to prevent cervical cancer, of

> course

> > I am not going to allow my daughter to have this shot but I was

> > wondering if any of you have any information on it?

> >

> >

> > " sweating in the heat " Louisiana

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I never understood that either...so much many is being spent to find

a cure for diseases, which, even if some kind of medicine is made,

usually only cures symptoms rather than the diseases anyways.

Researchers and doctors don't seem to be interested at all in

prevention, especaially natural ones. Don't they wonder why so many

people live with so many different kinds of diseases? I think maybe

they have accepted the idea that it is normal and natural for humans

to have many things wrong with them, but I don't think that it is.

- In Vaccinations , Clemons

<clemonsmary@...> wrote:

>

> To my understanding they are both sexually transmitted and can be

gotten other ways. That's one reason thsi vaccine is such a joke.

There are more than 100 different strains that fall under the term

HPV. The vaccines supposedly is able to block TWO strains, and can

help (again, supposedly) the TWO other strains that cause herpes

(something to that effect, it's in the op-ed).

>

> The whole thing is about money. They figured out a way to show

something with HPV and they know that Americans love their sex, so

they're targeting AIDS people and young women. FEAR< FEAR< FEAR.

>

> More women die of breast cancer every year than HPV. What I have

never understood is why everyone is willing to " search for a cure "

instead of searching to prevent!

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Hello

> >

> > there are other links in here too

> > http://v.mercola. com/blogs/ public_blog/ Three-Girls- Died--

> Others-

> > Hospitalized- -After-HPV- Vaccine-21325. aspx

> >

> > HPV is 100% avoidable. Instead of giving girls these vaccines

they

> > should invest the money to teach and promote safe sex and

> > abstinence.

> >

> > Oh.....and welcome to the group. Where about in Louisiana are

you?

> > I've been to New Orleans twice...absolutely loved it

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > My name is and I am a SAHM of 4 beautiful children,

ages

> > > 14,11,4,2. My older two children have had all of

the " required "

> > > shots that the pediatricians emphasize are so necessary. I

> > stopped

> > > vaccinating when my two year old was 6 mos old, that is when I

> > became

> > > wise in my older age and realized that this was not a required

> > thing

> > > nor a good decision for my children. Since then I have had a

lot

> > of

> > > strange looks, but after lengthy conversations with my

> > pediatrician

> > > and hours of internet research I simply cringe at the thought

of

> > > vaccinations and have recently signed the " refusal to

vaccinate "

> > that

> > > is required here in the State of Louisiana.

> > >

> > > I joined this board to gain more knowledge about why NOT to

> > vaccinate

> > > and to be able to go somewhere for support and answers to any

> > > obstacles or questions that I may have, and hopefully educate

my

> > > friends and family who are unaware of the dangers. I also have

a

> > > cousin that has a daughter who is 14 and autistic and I

believe

> > that

> > > it is from her being vaccinated, although her parents disagree.

> > >

> > > When I last visited my pediatrician she handed me the sheet on

> the

> > > Guardasil shot for young girls to prevent cervical cancer, of

> > course

> > > I am not going to allow my daughter to have this shot but I

was

> > > wondering if any of you have any information on it?

> > >

> > >

> > > " sweating in the heat " Louisiana

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi . I'm curious to know " who " told you, you had to sign a refusal to

vaccinate form?

Also - I'm curious to know what that form stated....

I checked LA laws wrt vaccination and I don't see where such a thing is

required. One needs to be careful signing these forms as it may implicate the

parent of neglect should the child suffer either significant injury or death

following a disease for which there is a vaccine for. Go here to read LA's law

on vaccines: http://nvic.org/state-site/Louisiana%20.htm

I have an 18 month and 6 month old. Both children had their first Hep B shot.

They've had no vaccines since. I take them both to a holistic doctor and he's

wonderful - I wouldn't take them mainstream unless it was absolutely necessary.

(ie., the ER).

Regarding HPV - here's a link with a lot of

information:http://nvic.org/Diseases/HPV/HPVHOME.htm

Dr. Tenpenny has also covered a lot of ground on

this:http://www.nmaseminars.com/vaccine-articles.html

Randi

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2007 10:58:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

frogfoot1969@... writes:

Thank you for taking the time to read my story. It helps to get it

out. I feel really alone, I am very angry at myself for letting this

happen, and deeply disturbed by this.

Sonya

You are not alone. I think you will find several people on this group share

similar stories. You have taken the first step by opening your mind and

realizing vaccines are harmful and ineffective. Welcome to the group.

Holly

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[Guest guest]

It is good to hear stories to get to know what others have gone through. I do

though have an interesting question. How many of you are concerned about if you

don't vaccinate your kids getting the disease and if so what to do if they do?Do

any of you know what to do in event and if so please share I just had a baby and

I'm really thinking of not vaccinating all around. Why is a long story. I

stopped having my other two not get vaccinated anymore either after they having

some seizures and other things happen.My daughter two weeks after the

vaccination had this seizure. whether it is the fault of this vaccine I don't

know,but I don't like that it was such coincidence and to close to that time.

mensrea320@... wrote:won

In a message dated 9/20/2007 10:58:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

frogfoot1969@... writes:

Thank you for taking the time to read my story. It helps to get it

out. I feel really alone, I am very angry at myself for letting this

happen, and deeply disturbed by this.

Sonya

You are not alone. I think you will find several people on this group share

similar stories. You have taken the first step by opening your mind and

realizing vaccines are harmful and ineffective. Welcome to the group.

Holly

************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

[Guest guest]

*hug* Welcome! What an amazing story you have told...you will find lots of

great info here!

Lori

Hello

Hello, I am new to the group. My story is quite complicated and very

long. I need help overcoming this huge weight on my heart feeling as

if I am responsible for my son's disabilities because I let them

inject him with poison.

I am 38 I have two boys 13 & 3. The eldest has all his immunizations

and appears healthy. I received the Hep B vaccine while I was

pregnant with him because I had been exposed to the virus and was

assured it was safe. While getting the first child vaccinated they

recommend that I get a booster of measles vaccine. I can't remember

how long after I became extremely ill and had to crawl to the phone

to call for help. I recovered after a two weeks of dilerium. I had

had several unexpained seizures as a child about seven years apart,

I also had other unexplained ailments. At 26 I was diagnosed with

Mutiple Sclerosis. I have had several MS episodes but for the most

part I am doing rather well. I worked as a dental assistant for 10

years, working with amalgam filling materials.

My three year old was born premature at 33.4 weeks, 4lbs. 14oz. He

appeared healthy and so strong we went home from hospital in 48hrs.

At his six week check up the pediatrician recommended starting his

vaccines. My husband and I both questioned the dr. about our

concerns because he was so tiny and didn't have any fat on his

little legs. I also expressed my concerns of getting Autism. He

assured us it was safe, it wasn't a live virus and the complications

if any were mild and that it was safer than not getting vaccines. We

reluctantly agreed. They didn't even give us a pamphlet about the

risks and side effects. About 45 minutes after the vaccine our son

started screaming a shrill unconsolable cry, a cry I will never

forget, he turned extremely pale and became listless. I immediately

phoned the doctor who assured me he was fine and it was a mild

reaction. He slept and when he woke seem ok. I never put two and two

together until recently. All the to do you hear about autism is

surrounding the MMR you don't really hear about any others. The

vaccines my son received that day were the IPV and hib, his actual

age was six weeks and adjusted age was ZERO. The CDC recommends that

you wait until the child is two months old which means my son should

have been four months old before starting vaccinating, so my boy was

even more vulnerable to the adverse effects. Because he was so young

we didn't notice any regression.

I think I was brainwashed into thinking these were safe, my doctor

says they are safe, the CDC says they are safe, our goverment

recommends them and our school pressure you to have them. I thought

I was unharmed by them and my eldest son seems unaffected by them so

I let them, I let them do it to my tiny baby and continued to let

them do it. Because he was premature he also received alot of RSV

injections to keep from from getting the Deadly RSV infection.

My ds has been diagnosed with

1. Global developmental delay

2. Macrocephaly

3. External Hydrocephalus, arrested 7/07

4. Cerebral demyelination of uncertain origin

(it is not uncertain to me)

5. Moderate Spastic Diplegia Cerebral Palsy (I was given this

diagnosis because they had no other explaination, he does not fit

the criteria for CP

6. Dysarthria

7. Sensory Integration Disorder

8. Autistic Spectrum Disorder

When they ordered the MRI they used encephalopathy as the diagnosis.

He has alot of unexplained things on his MRI. It has been a long

hard road first trying to find out why my beautiful boy was not

crawling, sitting or talking at one year old to where we are today.

I need to know what to do to get an exemption from any further

vaccinations. I have heard that you can get a medical exemption, is

that true?

I am also furious that the VICP has a three year limitation on

filing claims when most of the time you usually can't even get a

child diagnosed by the age of three.

Thank you for taking the time to read my story. It helps to get it

out. I feel really alone, I am very angry at myself for letting this

happen, and deeply disturbed by this.

Sonya

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Sonya my heart breaks for you.

You can get a medical exemption, but until your son starts school, you don't

need to do anything other than say NO.

I have heard that chelation (depending on age) can help a lot. My own daughter

got JRA (arthritis) and she is now in remission, she also had the sensory

integration disorder, she has out grown it. There is still some hope. Good food,

breastfeeding, sunshine, healthy exercise and love love love, and you will have

to find some peace within yourself. You cannot change it.

I'm so sorry -- your story is heartbreaking. I hate vaccines.

Hello

Hello, I am new to the group. My story is quite complicated and very

long. I need help overcoming this huge weight on my heart feeling as

if I am responsible for my son's disabilities because I let them

inject him with poison.

I am 38 I have two boys 13 & 3. The eldest has all his immunizations

and appears healthy. I received the Hep B vaccine while I was

pregnant with him because I had been exposed to the virus and was

assured it was safe. While getting the first child vaccinated they

recommend that I get a booster of measles vaccine. I can't remember

how long after I became extremely ill and had to crawl to the phone

to call for help. I recovered after a two weeks of dilerium. I had

had several unexpained seizures as a child about seven years apart,

I also had other unexplained ailments. At 26 I was diagnosed with

Mutiple Sclerosis. I have had several MS episodes but for the most

part I am doing rather well. I worked as a dental assistant for 10

years, working with amalgam filling materials.

My three year old was born premature at 33.4 weeks, 4lbs. 14oz. He

appeared healthy and so strong we went home from hospital in 48hrs.

At his six week check up the pediatrician recommended starting his

vaccines. My husband and I both questioned the dr. about our

concerns because he was so tiny and didn't have any fat on his

little legs. I also expressed my concerns of getting Autism. He

assured us it was safe, it wasn't a live virus and the complications

if any were mild and that it was safer than not getting vaccines. We

reluctantly agreed. They didn't even give us a pamphlet about the

risks and side effects. About 45 minutes after the vaccine our son

started screaming a shrill unconsolable cry, a cry I will never

forget, he turned extremely pale and became listless. I immediately

phoned the doctor who assured me he was fine and it was a mild

reaction. He slept and when he woke seem ok. I never put two and two

together until recently. All the to do you hear about autism is

surrounding the MMR you don't really hear about any others. The

vaccines my son received that day were the IPV and hib, his actual

age was six weeks and adjusted age was ZERO. The CDC recommends that

you wait until the child is two months old which means my son should

have been four months old before starting vaccinating, so my boy was

even more vulnerable to the adverse effects. Because he was so young

we didn't notice any regression.

I think I was brainwashed into thinking these were safe, my doctor

says they are safe, the CDC says they are safe, our goverment

recommends them and our school pressure you to have them. I thought

I was unharmed by them and my eldest son seems unaffected by them so

I let them, I let them do it to my tiny baby and continued to let

them do it. Because he was premature he also received alot of RSV

injections to keep from from getting the Deadly RSV infection.

My ds has been diagnosed with

1. Global developmental delay

2. Macrocephaly

3. External Hydrocephalus, arrested 7/07

4. Cerebral demyelination of uncertain origin

(it is not uncertain to me)

5. Moderate Spastic Diplegia Cerebral Palsy (I was given this

diagnosis because they had no other explaination, he does not fit

the criteria for CP

6. Dysarthria

7. Sensory Integration Disorder

8. Autistic Spectrum Disorder

When they ordered the MRI they used encephalopathy as the diagnosis.

He has alot of unexplained things on his MRI. It has been a long

hard road first trying to find out why my beautiful boy was not

crawling, sitting or talking at one year old to where we are today.

I need to know what to do to get an exemption from any further

vaccinations. I have heard that you can get a medical exemption, is

that true?

I am also furious that the VICP has a three year limitation on

filing claims when most of the time you usually can't even get a

child diagnosed by the age of three.

Thank you for taking the time to read my story. It helps to get it

out. I feel really alone, I am very angry at myself for letting this

happen, and deeply disturbed by this.

Sonya

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your kind words. He started Pre-school with the public school

system when he turned three so that he would continue receiving the therapy he

so desparately needs. I thought I had read you could get the medical exemption

for a brain injured child and I am not sure when he is due for more vaccinations

I think Kindergarden.

I am scared of Chelation, I investigated it for myself when I was diagnosed

with MS but I will investigate it further. My ds has been thru so much I hate to

put him thru anything else.

We already do all the other things you mentioned and he is doing rather well

Considering, it could be alot worse. I know I was ill informed or brainwashed, I

know I can't change it , but it doesn't make it any easier to accept the fact

that I let this happen. I don't think I will ever make peace with myself " I am

his mother I am suppose to protect him " ignorance is no excuse.

I believe vaccination are a double edged sword because I am sure a mother whos

child is disabled or dies from a disease they are told could have been prevented

with a vaccine has similar feelings.

Sonya

Clemons <clemonsmary@...> wrote:

Sonya my heart breaks for you.

You can get a medical exemption, but until your son starts school, you don't

need to do anything other than say NO.

I have heard that chelation (depending on age) can help a lot. My own daughter

got JRA (arthritis) and she is now in remission, she also had the sensory

integration disorder, she has out grown it. There is still some hope. Good food,

breastfeeding, sunshine, healthy exercise and love love love, and you will have

to find some peace within yourself. You cannot change it.

I'm so sorry -- your story is heartbreaking. I hate vaccines.

Hello

Hello, I am new to the group. My story is quite complicated and very

long. I need help overcoming this huge weight on my heart feeling as

if I am responsible for my son's disabilities because I let them

inject him with poison.

I am 38 I have two boys 13 & 3. The eldest has all his immunizations

and appears healthy. I received the Hep B vaccine while I was

pregnant with him because I had been exposed to the virus and was

assured it was safe. While getting the first child vaccinated they

recommend that I get a booster of measles vaccine. I can't remember

how long after I became extremely ill and had to crawl to the phone

to call for help. I recovered after a two weeks of dilerium. I had

had several unexpained seizures as a child about seven years apart,

I also had other unexplained ailments. At 26 I was diagnosed with

Mutiple Sclerosis. I have had several MS episodes but for the most

part I am doing rather well. I worked as a dental assistant for 10

years, working with amalgam filling materials.

My three year old was born premature at 33.4 weeks, 4lbs. 14oz. He

appeared healthy and so strong we went home from hospital in 48hrs.

At his six week check up the pediatrician recommended starting his

vaccines. My husband and I both questioned the dr. about our

concerns because he was so tiny and didn't have any fat on his

little legs. I also expressed my concerns of getting Autism. He

assured us it was safe, it wasn't a live virus and the complications

if any were mild and that it was safer than not getting vaccines. We

reluctantly agreed. They didn't even give us a pamphlet about the

risks and side effects. About 45 minutes after the vaccine our son

started screaming a shrill unconsolable cry, a cry I will never

forget, he turned extremely pale and became listless. I immediately

phoned the doctor who assured me he was fine and it was a mild

reaction. He slept and when he woke seem ok. I never put two and two

together until recently. All the to do you hear about autism is

surrounding the MMR you don't really hear about any others. The

vaccines my son received that day were the IPV and hib, his actual

age was six weeks and adjusted age was ZERO. The CDC recommends that

you wait until the child is two months old which means my son should

have been four months old before starting vaccinating, so my boy was

even more vulnerable to the adverse effects. Because he was so young

we didn't notice any regression.

I think I was brainwashed into thinking these were safe, my doctor

says they are safe, the CDC says they are safe, our goverment

recommends them and our school pressure you to have them. I thought

I was unharmed by them and my eldest son seems unaffected by them so

I let them, I let them do it to my tiny baby and continued to let

them do it. Because he was premature he also received alot of RSV

injections to keep from from getting the Deadly RSV infection.

My ds has been diagnosed with

1. Global developmental delay

2. Macrocephaly

3. External Hydrocephalus, arrested 7/07

4. Cerebral demyelination of uncertain origin

(it is not uncertain to me)

5. Moderate Spastic Diplegia Cerebral Palsy (I was given this

diagnosis because they had no other explaination, he does not fit

the criteria for CP

6. Dysarthria

7. Sensory Integration Disorder

8. Autistic Spectrum Disorder

When they ordered the MRI they used encephalopathy as the diagnosis.

He has alot of unexplained things on his MRI. It has been a long

hard road first trying to find out why my beautiful boy was not

crawling, sitting or talking at one year old to where we are today.

I need to know what to do to get an exemption from any further

vaccinations. I have heard that you can get a medical exemption, is

that true?

I am also furious that the VICP has a three year limitation on

filing claims when most of the time you usually can't even get a

child diagnosed by the age of three.

Thank you for taking the time to read my story. It helps to get it

out. I feel really alone, I am very angry at myself for letting this

happen, and deeply disturbed by this.

Sonya

[Guest guest]

Take Sheri's class. :-) I used to be afraid of the diseases but was more

afraid of the possible side effects from a vaccine that wasn't proven to be 100%

effective even. I figured if it got life-threatening, I would seek medical

help. My children have all been pretty healthy and we keep their immune system

" on line " with regular chiropractic visits. I really wasn't afraid of the

disease but the possible death from the disease. I am no more afraid as I have

accepted my decision. Vaxxes aren't 100% guaranteed to prevent any of the

diseases and many children acquire the disease even after they were fully vaxxed

with their symptoms not being any less. I just try to make sure we eat healthy

and supplement (that's hit and miss usually). I don't relish the thot of my

child going thru pain and discomfort if they acquire a disease and if syptoms

seem unusual, I will seek a homeopath. I just quit second-guessing myself and

the more I read gut-wrenching, heart-breaking stories like Sonya's, the more I

am confident I made the right choice. It is hard not being mainstream and I

have paid the price but my children have not. I personally do not know any

children who seem to have been affected by vaccines but sometimes I wonder if

some of their personality could be vaccine-caused. My sister's daughter went

stiff in a shopping cart a few years back and she was sure it was due to the

vax. Scared her and so now she doesn't anymore and her youngest is vax free.

Research and educate yourself.

Laurie

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In a message dated 9/20/2007 11:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

lightning30fwi@... writes:

How many of you are concerned about if you don't vaccinate your kids getting

the disease and if so what to do if they do?

I'm concerned about my child getting any disease b/c I'm a parent. I do

know that most of the diseases are not going to cause her any real problems b/c

she is healthy to start with. I also won't be treating it allopathically so

I know that will help. " They " try to scare us into thinking every time

someone gets one of these diseases it will result in death. That is not true.

Holly

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[Guest guest]

I agree, they are a double edged sword. I feel for the mothers who think a

vaccine may have saved their child. I think a child that does die of a natural

disease, may have also been a vaccine injured child if they had gotten the

vaccine. But you're right, it's hard to be the momma!

Hello

Hello, I am new to the group. My story is quite complicated and very

long. I need help overcoming this huge weight on my heart feeling as

if I am responsible for my son's disabilities because I let them

inject him with poison.

I am 38 I have two boys 13 & 3. The eldest has all his immunizations

and appears healthy. I received the Hep B vaccine while I was

pregnant with him because I had been exposed to the virus and was

assured it was safe. While getting the first child vaccinated they

recommend that I get a booster of measles vaccine. I can't remember

how long after I became extremely ill and had to crawl to the phone

to call for help. I recovered after a two weeks of dilerium. I had

had several unexpained seizures as a child about seven years apart,

I also had other unexplained ailments. At 26 I was diagnosed with

Mutiple Sclerosis. I have had several MS episodes but for the most

part I am doing rather well. I worked as a dental assistant for 10

years, working with amalgam filling materials.

My three year old was born premature at 33.4 weeks, 4lbs. 14oz. He

appeared healthy and so strong we went home from hospital in 48hrs.

At his six week check up the pediatrician recommended starting his

vaccines. My husband and I both questioned the dr. about our

concerns because he was so tiny and didn't have any fat on his

little legs. I also expressed my concerns of getting Autism. He

assured us it was safe, it wasn't a live virus and the complications

if any were mild and that it was safer than not getting vaccines. We

reluctantly agreed. They didn't even give us a pamphlet about the

risks and side effects. About 45 minutes after the vaccine our son

started screaming a shrill unconsolable cry, a cry I will never

forget, he turned extremely pale and became listless. I immediately

phoned the doctor who assured me he was fine and it was a mild

reaction. He slept and when he woke seem ok. I never put two and two

together until recently. All the to do you hear about autism is

surrounding the MMR you don't really hear about any others. The

vaccines my son received that day were the IPV and hib, his actual

age was six weeks and adjusted age was ZERO. The CDC recommends that

you wait until the child is two months old which means my son should

have been four months old before starting vaccinating, so my boy was

even more vulnerable to the adverse effects. Because he was so young

we didn't notice any regression.

I think I was brainwashed into thinking these were safe, my doctor

says they are safe, the CDC says they are safe, our goverment

recommends them and our school pressure you to have them. I thought

I was unharmed by them and my eldest son seems unaffected by them so

I let them, I let them do it to my tiny baby and continued to let

them do it. Because he was premature he also received alot of RSV

injections to keep from from getting the Deadly RSV infection.

My ds has been diagnosed with

1. Global developmental delay

2. Macrocephaly

3. External Hydrocephalus, arrested 7/07

4. Cerebral demyelination of uncertain origin

(it is not uncertain to me)

5. Moderate Spastic Diplegia Cerebral Palsy (I was given this

diagnosis because they had no other explaination, he does not fit

the criteria for CP

6. Dysarthria

7. Sensory Integration Disorder

8. Autistic Spectrum Disorder

When they ordered the MRI they used encephalopathy as the diagnosis.

He has alot of unexplained things on his MRI. It has been a long

hard road first trying to find out why my beautiful boy was not

crawling, sitting or talking at one year old to where we are today.

I need to know what to do to get an exemption from any further

vaccinations. I have heard that you can get a medical exemption, is

that true?

I am also furious that the VICP has a three year limitation on

filing claims when most of the time you usually can't even get a

child diagnosed by the age of three.

Thank you for taking the time to read my story. It helps to get it

out. I feel really alone, I am very angry at myself for letting this

happen, and deeply disturbed by this.

Sonya

[Guest guest]

Hi Sonya,

Welcome to the club! Many of us have injured ourselves or our

children with vaccines and want to make sure the same thing doesn't

happen to others. My friend had the same experience with Hep B and MS.

It was mandatory for her work.

There are a lot of things you can do to reverse the damage or at least

a portion of it. Email me your mailing address and I will send you

some info regarding chelation therapy and exactly what happens on a

cellular level as well as some other options. You NEED to do

something to get the mercury out of your body, especially having

worked in a dental office. MS and mercury poisoning symptoms are

almost identical. You have to be very careful to not redistribute the

mercury which is what many chelators do. Some can make the whole

matter worse. I was so poisoned I couldn't do chelation and the

doctor said it would damage my organs (kidneys and liver). My

daughter was the same. Kidney problems, chronic meningitis due to

mercury (from vaccines and from me passing them on through pregnancy).

The body is wonderful and capable of self-healing once we know what to

do to get rid of the poisons safely, give it the right nutrients it

needs to thrive and heal itself and have a healthy mental attitude.

Sharon

>

> Hello, I am new to the group. My story is quite complicated and very

> long. I need help overcoming this huge weight on my heart feeling as

> if I am responsible for my son's disabilities because I let them

> inject him with poison.

>

> I am 38 I have two boys 13 & 3. The eldest has all his immunizations

> and appears healthy. I received the Hep B vaccine while I was

> pregnant with him because I had been exposed to the virus and was

> assured it was safe. While getting the first child vaccinated they

> recommend that I get a booster of measles vaccine. I can't remember

> how long after I became extremely ill and had to crawl to the phone

> to call for help. I recovered after a two weeks of dilerium. I had

> had several unexpained seizures as a child about seven years apart,

> I also had other unexplained ailments. At 26 I was diagnosed with

> Mutiple Sclerosis. I have had several MS episodes but for the most

> part I am doing rather well. I worked as a dental assistant for 10

> years, working with amalgam filling materials.

>

> My three year old was born premature at 33.4 weeks, 4lbs. 14oz. He

> appeared healthy and so strong we went home from hospital in 48hrs.

> At his six week check up the pediatrician recommended starting his

> vaccines. My husband and I both questioned the dr. about our

> concerns because he was so tiny and didn't have any fat on his

> little legs. I also expressed my concerns of getting Autism. He

> assured us it was safe, it wasn't a live virus and the complications

> if any were mild and that it was safer than not getting vaccines. We

> reluctantly agreed. They didn't even give us a pamphlet about the

> risks and side effects. About 45 minutes after the vaccine our son

> started screaming a shrill unconsolable cry, a cry I will never

> forget, he turned extremely pale and became listless. I immediately

> phoned the doctor who assured me he was fine and it was a mild

> reaction. He slept and when he woke seem ok. I never put two and two

> together until recently. All the to do you hear about autism is

> surrounding the MMR you don't really hear about any others. The

> vaccines my son received that day were the IPV and hib, his actual

> age was six weeks and adjusted age was ZERO. The CDC recommends that

> you wait until the child is two months old which means my son should

> have been four months old before starting vaccinating, so my boy was

> even more vulnerable to the adverse effects. Because he was so young

> we didn't notice any regression.

>

> I think I was brainwashed into thinking these were safe, my doctor

> says they are safe, the CDC says they are safe, our goverment

> recommends them and our school pressure you to have them. I thought

> I was unharmed by them and my eldest son seems unaffected by them so

> I let them, I let them do it to my tiny baby and continued to let

> them do it. Because he was premature he also received alot of RSV

> injections to keep from from getting the Deadly RSV infection.

>

> My ds has been diagnosed with

>

> 1. Global developmental delay

> 2. Macrocephaly

> 3. External Hydrocephalus, arrested 7/07

> 4. Cerebral demyelination of uncertain origin

> (it is not uncertain to me)

> 5. Moderate Spastic Diplegia Cerebral Palsy (I was given this

> diagnosis because they had no other explaination, he does not fit

> the criteria for CP

> 6. Dysarthria

> 7. Sensory Integration Disorder

> 8. Autistic Spectrum Disorder

>

> When they ordered the MRI they used encephalopathy as the diagnosis.

> He has alot of unexplained things on his MRI. It has been a long

> hard road first trying to find out why my beautiful boy was not

> crawling, sitting or talking at one year old to where we are today.

>

> I need to know what to do to get an exemption from any further

> vaccinations. I have heard that you can get a medical exemption, is

> that true?

>

> I am also furious that the VICP has a three year limitation on

> filing claims when most of the time you usually can't even get a

> child diagnosed by the age of three.

>

> Thank you for taking the time to read my story. It helps to get it

> out. I feel really alone, I am very angry at myself for letting this

> happen, and deeply disturbed by this.

>

> Sonya

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cecilia --

I've shared in the past that my kids are partially vaxed and that they've

both had chicken pox (DD had CP twice) and my DS had whooping cough.

Thankfully my kids have very strong immune systems and DS managed to

practice and play JV lacrosse despite the cough - in fact I didn't realize

he had whooping cough till he was coughing for quite a while and I figured I

should get it checked out since it wasn't going away.

Plus bear in mind that many of us over a certain age have had chicken pox,

measles, German measles, mumps and probably a few others. We all survived.

I know some children may be injured by having the actual disease, but I

don't know anyone personally who was.

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On 9/20/07, cecilia s <lightning30fwi@...> wrote:

>

>

> It is good to hear stories to get to know what others have gone through. I

> do though have an interesting question. How many of you are concerned about

> if you don't vaccinate your kids getting the disease and if so what to do if

> they do?Do any of you know what to do in event and if so please share I just

> had a baby and I'm really thinking of not vaccinating all around. Why is a

> long story. I stopped having my other two not get vaccinated anymore either

> after they having some seizures and other things happen.My daughter two

> weeks after the vaccination had this seizure. whether it is the fault of

> this vaccine I don't know,but I don't like that it was such coincidence and

> to close to that time.

> mensrea320@... wrote:won

> In a message dated 9/20/2007 10:58:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> frogfoot1969@... writes:

>

> Thank you for taking the time to read my story. It helps to get it

> out. I feel really alone, I am very angry at myself for letting this

> happen, and deeply disturbed by this.

>

> Sonya

>

> You are not alone. I think you will find several people on this group

> share

> similar stories. You have taken the first step by opening your mind and

> realizing vaccines are harmful and ineffective. Welcome to the group.

>

> Holly

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , I am just like you. Worried if my kids got vaccinated, worried

if they didn't. I probably can't relate to you about living overseas and not

being immunized. Although it's quite funny because my family has lived on a

military base in Japan when I was just a baby. Does that make you feel

better? hehe =)~

I have a 4 1/2 month old that is breastfed as well. Out of curiousity, what

kind of supplements are you giving your little one to boost the immune

system? Thanks

I hope you enjoy being here! I have learned so much from the group already

and have only been here for a short amount of time.

-Cat

In a message dated 1/16/2008 7:36:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

meandlb@... writes:

Hi,

My name is and I just joined this group yesterday. I live on a

military base in Japan with my husband and my lovely 5 1/2 month old son. I

joined

this group because I have been so conflicted about giving vaccines to my son.

I am probably like some of you who feel worried if you give it to your

children and worried if you don't.

I am a breastfeeding mom and have been also giving supplements to my son to

boost his immune system. However, there is still a nagging feeling in the

back of my mind of " what if something happens if I don' t vaccinate him " . I

don't think I would feel this concerned if I lived in the US. However, living

overseas, especially in Japan, it is difficult for me to find a homeopathic

doctor or even easy access to supplements.

I would definitely like to know if there is anyone out there in the same

situation as I am - specifically, living on a military base overseas (like

Japan).

I am looking forward to sharing and learning with all of you.

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