New to the group

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, some say you don't know what's in the organic sugar since it

hasn't been processed, so you don't know what you are adding to your

brew.

jan

>

> I ordered my first SCOBY from Anahata Balance & Organic-Kombucha. I

> would like to use all organic ingredients. Most of the recipes I have

> read say to use processed white sugar. Kombucha has been made for

> thousands of years with organic sugar, why use white sugar? I will

also

> use organic Green and Black tea. I would like to know what caffeine

has

> to do with the processes if any. If there is a no real purpose for

> caffenine I would like to use decaf. all comments are welcome.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Chad Larsen

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I am not one of the pros on the list, but my instinct tells me that since you

seem to really be agonizing over this (and causing your poor bod who knows what

kind of distress?), why not throw it all out and start over fresh, clean, and

new? I can't imagine that saving what you have is worth your peace of mind.

Kindest regards,

Peggy

Re: New to the Group

Hi Chad,

I am a newbie, but could tell you that the Happy Herbalist prefers

organic sugar. See:

http://happyherbali st.com/kombucha_ brewing_guide. htm

The only thing I could find against using decaf was a post that said

about the chemicals used to decaf the tea. I just tried a green tea

decaf and I don't know if it was the problem (so many possibilities) ,

but it never fully fermented.

I read a post, not here I don't think, that said it was ok to use

Lipton, because the staples are stainless steel. If that's the case,

Lipton advertises that it is naturally decaf'd.

Of course, the pro's could tell you better. I sure wish one of them

would come on and advise me whether to dump all of my brew or not.

jan

>

> I ordered my first SCOBY from Anahata Balance & Organic-Kombucha. I

> would like to use all organic ingredients. Most of the recipes I have

> read say to use processed white sugar. Kombucha has been made for

> thousands of years with organic sugar, why use white sugar? I will

also

> use organic Green and Black tea. I would like to know what caffeine

has

> to do with the processes if any. If there is a no real purpose for

> caffenine I would like to use decaf. all comments are welcome.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Chad Larsen

>

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[Guest guest]

Jan,

I am not one of the pros on the list, but my instinct tells me that since you

seem to really be agonizing over this (and causing your poor bod who knows what

kind of distress?), why not throw it all out and start over fresh, clean, and

new? I can't imagine that saving what you have is worth your peace of mind.

Kindest regards,

Peggy

Re: New to the Group

Hi Chad,

I am a newbie, but could tell you that the Happy Herbalist prefers

organic sugar. See:

http://happyherbali st.com/kombucha_ brewing_guide. htm

The only thing I could find against using decaf was a post that said

about the chemicals used to decaf the tea. I just tried a green tea

decaf and I don't know if it was the problem (so many possibilities) ,

but it never fully fermented.

I read a post, not here I don't think, that said it was ok to use

Lipton, because the staples are stainless steel. If that's the case,

Lipton advertises that it is naturally decaf'd.

Of course, the pro's could tell you better. I sure wish one of them

would come on and advise me whether to dump all of my brew or not.

jan

>

> I ordered my first SCOBY from Anahata Balance & Organic-Kombucha. I

> would like to use all organic ingredients. Most of the recipes I have

> read say to use processed white sugar. Kombucha has been made for

> thousands of years with organic sugar, why use white sugar? I will

also

> use organic Green and Black tea. I would like to know what caffeine

has

> to do with the processes if any. If there is a no real purpose for

> caffenine I would like to use decaf. all comments are welcome.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Chad Larsen

>

________________________________________________________________________________\

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[Guest guest]

Jan,

Sugar cane, when grown organically, pressed, and dried, creates pure,

un processed living sugar. White table sugar however, is grown with

toxic pesticides, and chemicals, and then processed, stripping it of

all its nutritional value. It is then heated, destroying any living

vitality that it had! White sugar is a product that has such powerful

adverse effects on the boby it could be classified as a drug. It's

one of the reasons to detoxify our selves with Kombucha.

Chad

> >

> > I ordered my first SCOBY from Anahata Balance & Organic-Kombucha.

I

> > would like to use all organic ingredients. Most of the recipes I

have

> > read say to use processed white sugar. Kombucha has been made for

> > thousands of years with organic sugar, why use white sugar? I

will

> also

> > use organic Green and Black tea. I would like to know what

caffeine

> has

> > to do with the processes if any. If there is a no real purpose

for

> > caffenine I would like to use decaf. all comments are welcome.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Chad Larsen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Sugar cane, when grown organically, pressed, and dried, creates pure,

un processed living sugar. White table sugar however, is grown with

toxic pesticides, and chemicals, and then processed, stripping it of

all its nutritional value. It is then heated, destroying any living

vitality that it had! White sugar is a product that has such powerful

adverse effects on the boby it could be classified as a drug. It's

one of the reasons to detoxify our selves with Kombucha.

Chad

> >

> > I ordered my first SCOBY from Anahata Balance & Organic-Kombucha.

I

> > would like to use all organic ingredients. Most of the recipes I

have

> > read say to use processed white sugar. Kombucha has been made for

> > thousands of years with organic sugar, why use white sugar? I

will

> also

> > use organic Green and Black tea. I would like to know what

caffeine

> has

> > to do with the processes if any. If there is a no real purpose

for

> > caffenine I would like to use decaf. all comments are welcome.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Chad Larsen

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Chad,

I was just repeating what I've read. I use turbinado for my reg.

iced tea (I use Agave for it, too), but use the white sugar because

of what I have read. I thought maybe they were talking about

bacteria or something, but I really don't know. I had orig bought

the turbinado for my KT.

I would like to know how many use organic sugars. Maybe if there

isn't a poll about it I can make one.

jan

>

> Jan,

>

> Sugar cane, when grown organically, pressed, and dried, creates

pure,

> un processed living sugar. White table sugar however, is grown with

> toxic pesticides, and chemicals, and then processed, stripping it

of

> all its nutritional value. It is then heated, destroying any living

> vitality that it had! White sugar is a product that has such

powerful

> adverse effects on the boby it could be classified as a drug. It's

> one of the reasons to detoxify our selves with Kombucha.

>

> Chad

[Guest guest]

Hi Chad,

I was just repeating what I've read. I use turbinado for my reg.

iced tea (I use Agave for it, too), but use the white sugar because

of what I have read. I thought maybe they were talking about

bacteria or something, but I really don't know. I had orig bought

the turbinado for my KT.

I would like to know how many use organic sugars. Maybe if there

isn't a poll about it I can make one.

jan

>

> Jan,

>

> Sugar cane, when grown organically, pressed, and dried, creates

pure,

> un processed living sugar. White table sugar however, is grown with

> toxic pesticides, and chemicals, and then processed, stripping it

of

> all its nutritional value. It is then heated, destroying any living

> vitality that it had! White sugar is a product that has such

powerful

> adverse effects on the boby it could be classified as a drug. It's

> one of the reasons to detoxify our selves with Kombucha.

>

> Chad

[Guest guest]

hi Chad-

i believe that the scoby uses the caffeine and sugar for the

fermentation process-it feeds on caffeine and sugar. so, by the end of

it you have very little caffeine and very little sugar. i wouldn't be

concerned about the caffeine since it will no longer be there....you'd

get a pretty imbalanced tea in the long run even if you didn't have

problems right away.

i've read lots of cases of people having problems with sugars other

than white sugar. especially if you are just starting out, you may

want to stick to plain old white sugar for now, and get a few scobies

going before experimenting too much. i say this because i experimented

after my first brew cycle and had to go back to my supplier for more-i

hadn't yet discovered the problem with metal and i set my scoby in a

metal pie plate to divide it and it turned BLACK. had to throw the

whole thing out and wait a couple weeks to get a new supply-

now i've learned to keep one going that is just normal (as many have

said they do here) and experiment with others-

good luck! welcome to a new addiction!

holly bechiri

I would like to know what caffeine has

> to do with the processes if any. If there is a no real purpose for

> caffenine I would like to use decaf. all comments are welcome.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Chad Larsen

>

[Guest guest]

hi Chad-

i believe that the scoby uses the caffeine and sugar for the

fermentation process-it feeds on caffeine and sugar. so, by the end of

it you have very little caffeine and very little sugar. i wouldn't be

concerned about the caffeine since it will no longer be there....you'd

get a pretty imbalanced tea in the long run even if you didn't have

problems right away.

i've read lots of cases of people having problems with sugars other

than white sugar. especially if you are just starting out, you may

want to stick to plain old white sugar for now, and get a few scobies

going before experimenting too much. i say this because i experimented

after my first brew cycle and had to go back to my supplier for more-i

hadn't yet discovered the problem with metal and i set my scoby in a

metal pie plate to divide it and it turned BLACK. had to throw the

whole thing out and wait a couple weeks to get a new supply-

now i've learned to keep one going that is just normal (as many have

said they do here) and experiment with others-

good luck! welcome to a new addiction!

holly bechiri

I would like to know what caffeine has

> to do with the processes if any. If there is a no real purpose for

> caffenine I would like to use decaf. all comments are welcome.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Chad Larsen

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Turbinado is organic sugar (sugar cane juice).

Chad

> >

> > Jan,

> >

> > Sugar cane, when grown organically, pressed, and dried, creates

> pure,

> > un processed living sugar. White table sugar however, is grown

with

> > toxic pesticides, and chemicals, and then processed, stripping it

> of

> > all its nutritional value. It is then heated, destroying any

living

> > vitality that it had! White sugar is a product that has such

> powerful

> > adverse effects on the boby it could be classified as a drug.

It's

> > one of the reasons to detoxify our selves with Kombucha.

> >

> > Chad

>

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Turbinado is organic sugar (sugar cane juice).

Chad

> >

> > Jan,

> >

> > Sugar cane, when grown organically, pressed, and dried, creates

> pure,

> > un processed living sugar. White table sugar however, is grown

with

> > toxic pesticides, and chemicals, and then processed, stripping it

> of

> > all its nutritional value. It is then heated, destroying any

living

> > vitality that it had! White sugar is a product that has such

> powerful

> > adverse effects on the boby it could be classified as a drug.

It's

> > one of the reasons to detoxify our selves with Kombucha.

> >

> > Chad

>

[Guest guest]

HI Chad,

I know it's organic (it's not liquid/juice, though). What I said was

that I orig bought it to use for KT, but then read that I should use

white sugar.

I, also, read that the caffeine content is the same after

fermenting. (I am book-learned (and internet), I am not experienced

in brewing KT yet.)

Have you checked out:

http://users.bestweb.net/~om/~kombu/FAQ/homeFAQ.html

http://www.geocities.com/kombucha_balance/

jan

>

> Jan,

>

> Turbinado is organic sugar (sugar cane juice).

>

> Chad

[Guest guest]

HI Chad,

I know it's organic (it's not liquid/juice, though). What I said was

that I orig bought it to use for KT, but then read that I should use

white sugar.

I, also, read that the caffeine content is the same after

fermenting. (I am book-learned (and internet), I am not experienced

in brewing KT yet.)

Have you checked out:

http://users.bestweb.net/~om/~kombu/FAQ/homeFAQ.html

http://www.geocities.com/kombucha_balance/

jan

>

> Jan,

>

> Turbinado is organic sugar (sugar cane juice).

>

> Chad

[Guest guest]

Folks....don't confuse " organic " with how a cane is processed.

Organically grown cane can be processed the same ways non-organically

grown can be and vice versa.

There can be organically grown refined white sugar...but that rather

defeats the purpose of growing organically as the refining process uses

chemicals to achieve the final product.

See the link for a more detailed explanation...

http://www.epicurious.com/cooking/how_to/food_dictionary/entry?id=4795

At least that's my understanding...

Warm regards...Gayle

[Guest guest]

Folks....don't confuse " organic " with how a cane is processed.

Organically grown cane can be processed the same ways non-organically

grown can be and vice versa.

There can be organically grown refined white sugar...but that rather

defeats the purpose of growing organically as the refining process uses

chemicals to achieve the final product.

See the link for a more detailed explanation...

http://www.epicurious.com/cooking/how_to/food_dictionary/entry?id=4795

At least that's my understanding...

Warm regards...Gayle

[Guest guest]

Hi

I recently started using again Organic Cane Evaporated Cane Sugar... My first

experience with it was bizarre a foul smell which came back again on another

brew despite using a different SCOBY AND white sugar this time... So the source

of this smell foul was not the organic sugar... So fat the brew smells simply

wonderful.

My take on this is that the " things " in the Kombucha SCOBY use the sugar as

food to produce those wonderful acid and other compounds that make up Kombucha

Tea... That the White refined Sugar is pure sucrose is not much of a problem for

them, they just transform it into things our body can use to its benefits...

I am not certain however about what happens to the real nasties that could be

in the White Sugar? Do they remain their wholesome nasties or are they

transformed in less deleterious forms? I know for sure the White Sugar would not

bring any great mineral substances... So I have taken the safe road. I will use

Evaporated Organic Cane Sugar... it is a living food as compared to White

Sugar. Evaporated Organic Cane Sugar seems to make great KT.. It cost more but

really my Gallon of KT cost me in term of ingredients much less than a Gallon of

Commercial Soda (name your poison here, Coke, Pepsi, etc) and it helps my

health... SO the few dollars more that Evaporated Organic Sugar cost should not

be a concern...

Frantz

Chad <cichlidfanatic@...> wrote:

Jan,

Sugar cane, when grown organically, pressed, and dried, creates pure,

un processed living sugar. White table sugar however, is grown with

toxic pesticides, and chemicals, and then processed, stripping it of

all its nutritional value. It is then heated, destroying any living

vitality that it had! White sugar is a product that has such powerful

adverse effects on the boby it could be classified as a drug. It's

one of the reasons to detoxify our selves with Kombucha.

Chad

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Hi

I recently started using again Organic Cane Evaporated Cane Sugar... My first

experience with it was bizarre a foul smell which came back again on another

brew despite using a different SCOBY AND white sugar this time... So the source

of this smell foul was not the organic sugar... So fat the brew smells simply

wonderful.

My take on this is that the " things " in the Kombucha SCOBY use the sugar as

food to produce those wonderful acid and other compounds that make up Kombucha

Tea... That the White refined Sugar is pure sucrose is not much of a problem for

them, they just transform it into things our body can use to its benefits...

I am not certain however about what happens to the real nasties that could be

in the White Sugar? Do they remain their wholesome nasties or are they

transformed in less deleterious forms? I know for sure the White Sugar would not

bring any great mineral substances... So I have taken the safe road. I will use

Evaporated Organic Cane Sugar... it is a living food as compared to White

Sugar. Evaporated Organic Cane Sugar seems to make great KT.. It cost more but

really my Gallon of KT cost me in term of ingredients much less than a Gallon of

Commercial Soda (name your poison here, Coke, Pepsi, etc) and it helps my

health... SO the few dollars more that Evaporated Organic Sugar cost should not

be a concern...

Frantz

Chad <cichlidfanatic@...> wrote:

Jan,

Sugar cane, when grown organically, pressed, and dried, creates pure,

un processed living sugar. White table sugar however, is grown with

toxic pesticides, and chemicals, and then processed, stripping it of

all its nutritional value. It is then heated, destroying any living

vitality that it had! White sugar is a product that has such powerful

adverse effects on the boby it could be classified as a drug. It's

one of the reasons to detoxify our selves with Kombucha.

Chad

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[Guest guest]

#1 -- we live in a different world today. We drink clean water, we have the

ability to shower, and we understand the importance of cleanliness. In the times

of rampant disease these were not the cases.

#2 -- it is very hard to be anti anything, you have to make up your mind and

stand strong. Personally, if Diptheria were rampant in my town, I would

quarentine our family the best I could, and then I *might* get that vaccine

because the disease is rampant. Does that make sense? In other words, why are we

shoving this many shots into our children when the diseases aren't even rampant

any longer?

http://gettingbacktonatural.blogspot.com/2007/07/list-broken-down-of-number-of-v\

accines.html -- if your child were following the recommended schedule this is

how many vaccines they would be getting.

#3 -- you can't go back once a reaction from a vaccine has injured your child.

http://gettingbacktonatural.blogspot.com/search/label/JRA

Be strong, know that you aren't alone, and keep in mind that he best ideas in

the world were once the acceptable way to go (for example, slavery) it took

years and years for everyone to get on the bandwagon that it wasn't acceptable

or even humane. One day we will wonder how we were duped into the biggest

marketing ploy of our lives = vaccines.

Oh, yeah, and WELCOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

New to the group

Hi everyone, my name is Vida and I am new to this group. I have

been married for 1 year, and I have a beautiful 3 month old baby boy

named Rasheed. Before I gave birth I knew I did not want to

vaccinate. At the hospital I refused the Hep B vaccine, which was

so strange to the nurse. Then I didn't worry about it. However, at

his two month check up, after I argued with the baby's doctor a

while, he scared me and my husband into vaccinating. We gave him

the pcv, Hib, rotavirus vaccine, and dtap vaccine. I managed to get

out of the hep B again and the polio vaccine. Nothing happened, not

even a slight fever, which is good cause I was really scared.

However, I now know I made a mistake and I don't want to vaccinate

any further. Atleast, I don't think I do. I'm unclear on the hib

and pcv vaccines. If you read literature they seem to be effective

and necessary and with minimal side effects. I'm also unclear about

tetanus. Can someone help me through this pls.

I also want to say that being anti-vaccine is very difficult. When

you say you don't want to vaccinate your child everybody looks at

you like you're some kind of nut. My brother in law has been

sending me (and my husband, and convincing him to go against me)

links on articles written about crazy people like us and how we

don't believe in vaccination because we never saw devestation from

the diseases in question. I know, however, that I am seeing

devastation from diseases like diabetes, arthritis, autism, and

cancer...just to name a few. He is also sending me links on how

vaccines cured the entire world of smallpox and polio.

To take on an anti-vaccine position you definitely have to be strong

and expect a lot of mean contradiction from everyone.

[Guest guest]

The harassment and terrorizing resulting from refusing vaccination is

nearly exactly the same as denying infant baptism hundreds of years

ago. At that time the authorities were not concerned with the

salvation of children, they were concerned with being part of the

Religious-State system of the Papists and later on the rival

Protestants. Those that refused this spiritual poison, particularly

the Anabaptists, suffered the wrath of the evildoers. And so it is

with the physical poison of vaccination today, the concern is not the

health of children, but rather conforming and being obedient to the

System.

Welcome to the group!

Dan

[Guest guest]

Hi Vida

Welcome

Yes you have to be strong and informed and keep quiet before those who will

harrass you

Start with my webpages

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

and I will have classes starting again in the fall. You will soon become

confident. Avoid going to the PEDS.

You are right. We have traded acute illness for chronic illness

Sheri

listowner

>Hi everyone, my name is Vida and I am new to this group. I have

>been married for 1 year, and I have a beautiful 3 month old baby boy

>named Rasheed. Before I gave birth I knew I did not want to

>vaccinate. At the hospital I refused the Hep B vaccine, which was

>so strange to the nurse. Then I didn't worry about it. However, at

>his two month check up, after I argued with the baby's doctor a

>while, he scared me and my husband into vaccinating. We gave him

>the pcv, Hib, rotavirus vaccine, and dtap vaccine. I managed to get

>out of the hep B again and the polio vaccine. Nothing happened, not

>even a slight fever, which is good cause I was really scared.

>However, I now know I made a mistake and I don't want to vaccinate

>any further. Atleast, I don't think I do. I'm unclear on the hib

>and pcv vaccines. If you read literature they seem to be effective

>and necessary and with minimal side effects. I'm also unclear about

>tetanus. Can someone help me through this pls.

>

>I also want to say that being anti-vaccine is very difficult. When

>you say you don't want to vaccinate your child everybody looks at

>you like you're some kind of nut. My brother in law has been

>sending me (and my husband, and convincing him to go against me)

>links on articles written about crazy people like us and how we

>don't believe in vaccination because we never saw devestation from

>the diseases in question. I know, however, that I am seeing

>devastation from diseases like diabetes, arthritis, autism, and

>cancer...just to name a few. He is also sending me links on how

>vaccines cured the entire world of smallpox and polio.

>To take on an anti-vaccine position you definitely have to be strong

>and expect a lot of mean contradiction from everyone.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Two facts!

In the first year that the polio vaccine was introduced, about 50,000 new cases

occurred among the vaccinated population.

Only about less than 10% of the world population ever received the small pox

vaccine. It takes a real stretch of the imagination to believe that the vaccine

stopped small pox.

Joe

vidamin78 <vidamarino@...> wrote: Hi

everyone, my name is Vida and I am new to this group. I have

been married for 1 year, and I have a beautiful 3 month old baby boy

named Rasheed. Before I gave birth I knew I did not want to

vaccinate. At the hospital I refused the Hep B vaccine, which was

so strange to the nurse. Then I didn't worry about it. However, at

his two month check up, after I argued with the baby's doctor a

while, he scared me and my husband into vaccinating. We gave him

the pcv, Hib, rotavirus vaccine, and dtap vaccine. I managed to get

out of the hep B again and the polio vaccine. Nothing happened, not

even a slight fever, which is good cause I was really scared.

However, I now know I made a mistake and I don't want to vaccinate

any further. Atleast, I don't think I do. I'm unclear on the hib

and pcv vaccines. If you read literature they seem to be effective

and necessary and with minimal side effects. I'm also unclear about

tetanus. Can someone help me through this pls.

I also want to say that being anti-vaccine is very difficult. When

you say you don't want to vaccinate your child everybody looks at

you like you're some kind of nut. My brother in law has been

sending me (and my husband, and convincing him to go against me)

links on articles written about crazy people like us and how we

don't believe in vaccination because we never saw devestation from

the diseases in question. I know, however, that I am seeing

devastation from diseases like diabetes, arthritis, autism, and

cancer...just to name a few. He is also sending me links on how

vaccines cured the entire world of smallpox and polio.

To take on an anti-vaccine position you definitely have to be strong

and expect a lot of mean contradiction from everyone.

For some truth in jurnalism go to:

http://www.thenewamerican.com

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[Guest guest]

Joe:

That is a very interesting comment: only about 10 percent rec'd smallpox

vaccine. Do you have a link for that, or where did you find it?

I have always found that comment to be misleading, that vaccination stopped

small pox. I rather think it was people waking up to cleaner living conditions

and quarantine.

Re: New to the group

Two facts!

In the first year that the polio vaccine was introduced, about 50,000 new cases

occurred among the vaccinated population.

Only about less than 10% of the world population ever received the small pox

vaccine. It takes a real stretch of the imagination to believe that the vaccine

stopped small pox.

Joe

vidamin78 <vidamarinomsn (DOT) com> wrote: Hi everyone, my name is Vida and I am new

to this group. I have

been married for 1 year, and I have a beautiful 3 month old baby boy

named Rasheed. Before I gave birth I knew I did not want to

vaccinate. At the hospital I refused the Hep B vaccine, which was

so strange to the nurse. Then I didn't worry about it. However, at

his two month check up, after I argued with the baby's doctor a

while, he scared me and my husband into vaccinating. We gave him

the pcv, Hib, rotavirus vaccine, and dtap vaccine. I managed to get

out of the hep B again and the polio vaccine. Nothing happened, not

even a slight fever, which is good cause I was really scared.

However, I now know I made a mistake and I don't want to vaccinate

any further. Atleast, I don't think I do. I'm unclear on the hib

and pcv vaccines. If you read literature they seem to be effective

and necessary and with minimal side effects. I'm also unclear about

tetanus. Can someone help me through this pls.

I also want to say that being anti-vaccine is very difficult. When

you say you don't want to vaccinate your child everybody looks at

you like you're some kind of nut. My brother in law has been

sending me (and my husband, and convincing him to go against me)

links on articles written about crazy people like us and how we

don't believe in vaccination because we never saw devestation from

the diseases in question. I know, however, that I am seeing

devastation from diseases like diabetes, arthritis, autism, and

cancer...just to name a few. He is also sending me links on how

vaccines cured the entire world of smallpox and polio.

To take on an anti-vaccine position you definitely have to be strong

and expect a lot of mean contradiction from everyone.

For some truth in jurnalism go to:

http://www.thenewam erican.com

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Hi and welcome to the group. I'd be interested in seeing some of

those links, just to see what exactly they are saying/claiming. You

can contact me off-line for that.

What's stupid about this argument is that most of what we vaccinate

for were never really big diseases. Out of the pantheon of shots we

get, only polio ranks up there as something people were terrified of.

Mumps - no big deal. Measles - no big deal (you know it's no big deal

when you watch an episode of " I Love Lucy " and some kid having the

measles is used as a plot device, and everyone treats it as " oh well,

so-and-so has the measles, now somebody will have to take their place

in the show " rather than, " OMG, somebody has the measles! Run for

your lives!!! " Rubella - no big deal. Chickenpox - seriously no big

deal, and better to actually get it because you get immunity then

against shingles, which is much worse. Hep B - that's for drug users

and prostitutes (and their johns). Tetanus -- pretty rare and not

communicable.

The big killer diseases were things like tuberculosis, typhoid,

scarlet fever... none of which we vaccinate against. And the new

vaccines, for things like pneumoccocal illness are tackling minor

things that were not common for children to get.

My thoughts. -Angie

> My brother in law has been

> sending me (and my husband, and convincing him to go against me)

> links on articles written about crazy people like us and how we

> don't believe in vaccination because we never saw devestation from

> the diseases in question.

[Guest guest]

At 11:29 AM 7/31/2007 -0700, you wrote:

>Two facts!

> In the first year that the polio vaccine was introduced, about 50,000 new

cases occurred among the vaccinated population.

> Only about less than 10% of the world population ever received the small

pox vaccine. It takes a real stretch of the imagination to believe that the

vaccine stopped small pox.

> Joe

Exactly and too many lies about both

http://www.wellwithin1.com/smallpox.htm

http://www.wellwithin1.com/polio.htm

http://www.geocities.com/harpub

NO VACCINES are effective - NONE give immunity

All have the potential for side effects - minor and serious.

See my webpages for info on all of those

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

Sheri

>

>vidamin78 <vidamarino@...> wrote: Hi

everyone, my name is Vida and I am new to this group. I have

> been married for 1 year, and I have a beautiful 3 month old baby boy

> named Rasheed. Before I gave birth I knew I did not want to

> vaccinate. At the hospital I refused the Hep B vaccine, which was

> so strange to the nurse. Then I didn't worry about it. However, at

> his two month check up, after I argued with the baby's doctor a

> while, he scared me and my husband into vaccinating. We gave him

> the pcv, Hib, rotavirus vaccine, and dtap vaccine. I managed to get

> out of the hep B again and the polio vaccine. Nothing happened, not

> even a slight fever, which is good cause I was really scared.

> However, I now know I made a mistake and I don't want to vaccinate

> any further. Atleast, I don't think I do. I'm unclear on the hib

> and pcv vaccines. If you read literature they seem to be effective

> and necessary and with minimal side effects. I'm also unclear about

> tetanus. Can someone help me through this pls.

>

> I also want to say that being anti-vaccine is very difficult. When

> you say you don't want to vaccinate your child everybody looks at

> you like you're some kind of nut. My brother in law has been

> sending me (and my husband, and convincing him to go against me)

> links on articles written about crazy people like us and how we

> don't believe in vaccination because we never saw devestation from

> the diseases in question. I know, however, that I am seeing

> devastation from diseases like diabetes, arthritis, autism, and

> cancer...just to name a few. He is also sending me links on how

> vaccines cured the entire world of smallpox and polio.

> To take on an anti-vaccine position you definitely have to be strong

> and expect a lot of mean contradiction from everyone.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>For some truth in jurnalism go to:

>http://www.thenewamerican.com

>Also visit:http://www.moosewoodart.com/pages/1/index.htm

>

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>

[Guest guest]

At 12:14 PM 7/31/2007 -0700, you wrote:

>Joe:

>

>That is a very interesting comment: only about 10 percent rec'd smallpox

vaccine. Do you have a link for that, or where did you find it?

>

>I have always found that comment to be misleading, that vaccination

stopped small pox. I rather think it was people waking up to cleaner living

conditions and quarantine.

>

>

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