New to the group

[Guest guest]

HI Terry:

Welcome to the list and thanks for posting about . I hope you

can check the files at the resources attached to egroups.

Our list owner, Louis Harkins, has assembled a lot of helpful information

for us parents with OCD kids.

Does have a modification plan under Section 504? My son,

Steve, is in the GT program and he is also classified under Section 504.

This has helped us to keep closer contact with his teachers about problems

and explain to them how they might notice his OCD and MDD interfering with

school performance.

Other helpful resources include the book, " Teaching the Tiger " by Dr.

Marilyn Dornbusch. Also Dr. Gail has written a helpful booklet for

School Personnel and how they can help our kids. You will likely find you

need to customize the arrangements to 's needs, and as he

recovers you will need to adjust the plan. Some kids need to take tests

orally or on the computer, or need books on tape, or extra time to take

tests. It really depends how their OCD symptoms are interfering with school.

If you let us know more specifically about the challenges has

at school I am sure there are parents on here who can share with you how

they arranged accommodations with the school about similar issues. Take

care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 10:04 PM 8/3/00 -0700, you wrote:

> >Hi, My name is Terry and my son has recently been

>diagnosed with

>> He is 9 and we realized for some time that there was a problem but

>> He also has some social phobias which I

>> He will be going into

>>4th grade and if any of you know of resources we can turn to for schooling

>> He is now on Prozac and I have seen enormous

>>progress up to a point, but he still has many habits and it's not helping

>>the social part. We live in Southern Ca. so if there are any Californians

>>who know their way around the California school system it would be a big

>> My son is gate qualified and is very bright but he just doesn't fit

>>in.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome Norton family!!

This is a very nice group here ; ) My son has not been diagnosed with autism.

He will be evaluated in July and then we'll see. My son is 8.

Ted has a lot in common with my son. I look forward to hearing more about

him.

Take care,

Judy, mom of 6, master of none.

[Guest guest]

Hello, is 13 youngest of 5 and we live in the UK,he is non verbal,non

communicating really,but he is now continent and has reasonable self help

skills,it is 12.22 pm. and at 9 ryan decided pool chlorinator would make a

good bath additive,so we are just back from hospital I have to watch for

coughing wheezing and blood,but he seems fine if a little paler,he got out of

the bath fetched a chair opened the cupboard ,all while Daddy was watching

football I was upstairs arguing with the sewing machine,I feel very careless

and guilty,anyway hope you enjoy talking with everyone Pat

[Guest guest]

Dear Pat,

I hope is okay by now. Don't feel guilty. There's a saying for times

like this.

Shit Happens!

Judy

[Guest guest]

hi hazel, ted is almost nathan's age, 8yrs with ds and pdd (autism) he is

potty trained but still has occasional accidents, mainly for the night, he

wears a pull-up to bed and this helps, we jsut kept him on a schedule and did

the potty celebration dance when he would use the toilet, we always tell him

how yucky it is to soil himself that he needs to use the toilet, and a big

helper was i made him start cleaning himself a few years ago when he soils

himself, he is supevised ofcourse but he has to do it, take all them cothes

off, shower, sometimes, or wash off good, get dry clothes on and put the

soiled stuff in the washer, he learned its easier and more enjoyable to use

the toilet then to soil himself, he still has accidents but rarely, even the

other day i was putting some clothes away in my room and he came in with his

pants around his ankles going " seee " so we walked to the bathroom and he had

a doody, did a party dance with him and had him wipe himself with wipes(they

work better than t-paper) and say goodbye to the poopoo. nathan's mm shawna

[Guest guest]

yes shit happens, i remember when nathan was around 2or 3, he was at grandmas

and we were working on some stuff in the bedroom he was playing on the floor

in the livingroom, and i checked on him he wasnt there, found him in the

kitchen breakfast nook dumped a whole can of polyurethane on himself, didnt

think we would ever get him clean he would go with a shiny glossy look, had

to throw his clothing and shoes, even got some special soap from grandpas

shop wouldnt use thinner on him. kids do the darndest things shawna

[Guest guest]

Hazel and Norton,

welcome to this group. My name is S, I have 5 children, the youngest

of whom has DS and Autism. Matt is 9 years old. I think you will find

lots of support here, friendship, laughs, some tears, and lots of

sharing.

Welcome

S

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Welcome aboard to the Nortons

(mom to DS/ASD 13)

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group. You will find we are a great support. We laugh, cry,

and vent together.

& Garry, parents of (9 ds), (8 ds/g-tube), JJ (6

ds/autism/celiac), (5 ds), and Esther (3 ds). All adopted.

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Terry.

My now 12 yo son was diagnosed at 9 with OCD. He also has assorted other

alphabet soup including PDD-NOS, MD, LD, ADHD, etc. It has been a challenge to

work with the schools to say the least. I am actually anticipating that middle

school will be an improvement over the elementary school where the initial

reaction was that children don't get mental illness. (Long story.) I can

recommend several resources. First I would buy a copy of Teaching the Tiger.

It's available through amazon.com. I would also recommend bookmarking the edlaw

website http://www.edlaw.net/frames.html and

http://www.ldonline.org/ld_indepth/iep/iep_guidance.html#anchor397747 for more

specific IEP suggestions. Another good source is Barb Kirby's website.

Although it is for kids with autism spectrum disorders, there are a lot of

practical suggestions for any kid with special needs. Her website is

http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/.

I have been promising that I would put together some faq sheets for our

website, but sad to say I still haven't had time to spend on that particular

project. If you are not already hooked up with your local NAMI affiliate and/or

a member of the Obsessive Compulsive Foundation, I strongly encourage you to get

involved. Many of us are going to the OC conference in Chicago next week. If

you share with us where you live, we may be able to refer you to local resources

as well. You can find your NAMI affiliate by visiting their website at

www.nami.org

Jule in Cleveland

[Guest guest]

Welcome Terry.

In San Diego, Dr. Jim Hatton, aka Dr. Hat, has a major following! He

treats both adults and children, runs support groups and happens to be a

nice guy too! Are you anywhere near him?

Your son feeling 'out of the loop' is common among children and

adolescents with psychiatric disorders. They know that something is

happening that makes them different and they look like everyone else - but

they dont feel like everyone else. THis is where support groups of same age

kids comes in helpful. It is also hard to find!

My 17yo has a group of friends who are all just as eccentric and 'off' as

him - and all have a history with the mental health system.

They are individuals, some cannot work due to their illness, some have part

time jobs, but they all have each other. My 14yo does not have any social

difficulties at this time.

My 11 year old sometimes has problems with other kids. She is a sweet,

mature, quiet kid. Sometimes she has lots of people calling, but other times

she can be home alone waiting. It is difficult for any of the kids to have

friends over when we never know who is going to have a meltdown, but even

that has greatly improved lately. I find more frustration in parents who

interfere than with their kids. Parents who exclude someone because they

dont want to handle anyone different should not be allowed to have

kids!!!!!! sorry, off topic!

If you sense that your son is avoiding something, take this as an

opportunity to expose him to that stimuli. Lets say he is avoiding going to

the park - then taking him more often will allow him to face the fears. If

this trip creates a huge panic attack, then make the process slower and more

detailed (ie - go to the park, but dont go in. gradually building up).

Make sure to take care of yourself. Your son needs you.

wendy in canada,

(married to 1 and mom to 3 with ocd/depression, social worker and trained

cbt for ocd using erp!)

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Thanks Jule for that information. I live in Orange County Ca.

Terry

Re: New to the groupWelcome, Terry.My now 12 yo son was diagnosed at 9 with OCD. He also has assorted otheralphabet soup including PDD-NOS, MD, LD, ADHD, etc. It has been a challenge towork with the schools to say the least. I am actually anticipating that middleschool will be an improvement over the elementary school where the initialreaction was that children don't get mental illness. (Long story.) I canrecommend several resources. First I would buy a copy of Teaching the Tiger.It's available through amazon.com. I would also recommend bookmarking the edlawwebsite http://www.edlaw.net/frames.html andhttp://www.ldonline.org/ld_indepth/iep/iep_guidance.html#anchor397747 for morespecific IEP suggestions. Another good source is Barb Kirby's website.Although it is for kids with autism spectrum disorders, there are a lot ofpractical suggestions for any kid with special needs. Her website ishttp://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/.I have been promising that I would put together some faq sheets for ourwebsite, but sad to say I still haven't had time to spend on that particularproject. If you are not already hooked up with your local NAMI affiliate and/ora member of the Obsessive Compulsive Foundation, I strongly encourage you to getinvolved. Many of us are going to the OC conference in Chicago next week. Ifyou share with us where you live, we may be able to refer you to local resourcesas well. You can find your NAMI affiliate by visiting their website atwww.nami.orgJule in ClevelandYou may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives, Files, and Features List for the may be accessed by going to , enter your email address and password, then point and click. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... .

[Guest guest]

Thanks Kathy for the welcome.

No we haven't gotten involved yet with IEP's or section504. In fact until reading the posts within the last few days I had never heard of those things. They are definitely things I'm going to look into.

Would I be going through the school psychologist? How do you get an IEP started?

How do you get qualified under section 504?

To add to my stress, my husband died 3 weeks ago so I am now looking into this on my own.

I appreciate all of your help.

Terry

Re: New to the groupHI Terry:Welcome to the list and thanks for posting about . I hope youcan check the files at the resources attached to egroups.Our list owner, Louis Harkins, has assembled a lot of helpful informationfor us parents with OCD kids.Does have a modification plan under Section 504? My son,Steve, is in the GT program and he is also classified under Section 504.This has helped us to keep closer contact with his teachers about problemsand explain to them how they might notice his OCD and MDD interfering withschool performance. Other helpful resources include the book, " Teaching the Tiger " by Dr.Marilyn Dornbusch. Also Dr. Gail has written a helpful booklet forSchool Personnel and how they can help our kids. You will likely find youneed to customize the arrangements to 's needs, and as herecovers you will need to adjust the plan. Some kids need to take testsorally or on the computer, or need books on tape, or extra time to taketests. It really depends how their OCD symptoms are interfering with school.If you let us know more specifically about the challenges hasat school I am sure there are parents on here who can share with you howthey arranged accommodations with the school about similar issues. Takecare, aloha, Kathy (H)kathyh@...At 10:04 PM 8/3/00 -0700, you wrote:> >Hi, My name is Terry and my son has recently been>diagnosed with>> He is 9 and we realized for some time that there was a problem but>> He also has some social phobias which I>> He will be going into>>4th grade and if any of you know of resources we can turn to for schooling>> He is now on Prozac and I have seen enormous>>progress up to a point, but he still has many habits and it's not helping>>the social part. We live in Southern Ca. so if there are any Californians>>who know their way around the California school system it would be a big>> My son is gate qualified and is very bright but he just doesn't fit>>in.> > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives, Files, and Features List for the may be accessed by going to , enter your email address and password, then point and click. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... .

[Guest guest]

At 01:15 AM 8/16/00 -0700, you wrote:

Thanks

Kathy for the welcome.

No we haven't gotten involved yet with IEP's or section504. In fact

until reading the posts within the last few days I had never heard of

those things. They are definitely things I'm going to look

into.

Would I be going through the school psychologist? How do you get an

IEP started?

How do you get qualified under section 504?

To add to my stress, my husband died 3 weeks ago so I am now looking into

this on my own.

I appreciate all of your help.

Terry

Terry,

you have my deepest sympathy on the loss of your husband....I am a widow

also. I did all the kids stuff before though so that wasn't much

different....but it is different to not have the person to bounce it off

of....try to go slowly as you are bound to be in shock from this....get

someone close to you to give you a hand with the process....it's not the

easiest thing in the world to do anyway, even if you have been doing it

for years....and under the circumstances it will be down right

difficult....do you have an understanding family member??? Hope

things improve for you.....Dee in Va.

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Message-----

From: Kathy Hammes

<kathyh@...>

To:

egroups

<egroups>

Date: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 12:53 AM

Subject: Re: New to the group

HI Terry:

Welcome to the list and thanks for posting about . I

hope you

can check the files at the resources attached to

egroups.

Our list owner, Louis Harkins, has assembled a lot of helpful

information

for us parents with OCD kids.

Does have a modification plan under Section 504? My

son,

Steve, is in the GT program and he is also classified under Section

504.

This has helped us to keep closer contact with his teachers about

problems

and explain to them how they might notice his OCD and MDD interfering

with

school performance.

Other helpful resources include the book, " Teaching the Tiger "

by Dr.

Marilyn Dornbusch. Also Dr. Gail has written a helpful

booklet for

School Personnel and how they can help our kids. You will likely

find you

need to customize the arrangements to 's needs, and as he

recovers you will need to adjust the plan. Some kids need to take

tests

orally or on the computer, or need books on tape, or extra time to

take

tests. It really depends how their OCD symptoms are interfering

with school.

If you let us know more specifically about the challenges

has

at school I am sure there are parents on here who can share with you

how

they arranged accommodations with the school about similar issues.

Take

care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 10:04 PM 8/3/00 -0700, you wrote:

> >Hi, My name is Terry and my son

has recently been

>diagnosed with

>> He is 9 and we realized for some time that there was

a problem but

>> He also has some social phobias which I

>> He will be going into

>>4th grade and if any of you know of resources we can turn

to for schooling

>> He is now on Prozac and I have seen enormous

>>progress up to a point, but he still has many habits and

it's not helping

>>the social part. We live in Southern Ca. so if there are

any Californians

>>who know their way around the California school system it

would be a big

>> My son is gate qualified and is very bright but he

just doesn't fit

>>in.

>

>

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Terry,

I am very sorry to hear of your husbands death. This is definatly a tough

time for you and your family.

I cant help you with the 504 and such, but if there is anything I can do

to help make your life a bit less stressful, please dont hesitate. The loss

of someone so close will have a serious impact on you and your child with

ocd. I'm sorry but I cant remember if there are other kids.

If I remember correctly, your in southern california? There are many

resources for OCD, I hope that you have been able to connect with someone.

take care, wendy, in canada wb4@...

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Terry:

I am very sorry to learn of your loss. I hope we can be helpful to you on this

list.

I am supposed to be the special ed maven. My 12 yo son has OCD (diagnosed 3

years ago), but I have been dealing with the special ed system since he was

2-1/2. There are some very good websites that will help you sort through some

of the information. One of the best is wrightslaw.com, put together by Pete and

Pam . Pete is a special ed attorney. There are lots of faq sheets and

links to other sites. Someone mentioned the IEP book. Another helpful book is

Teaching the Tiger -- it's available through amazon.com, although your local

Borders might have it. Teaching the Tiger has all sorts of accommodation

recommendations for kids with ADHD, OCD and/or Tourette's.

Both IEPs and 504s provide accommodations for children that have a disability

(physical or otherwise) that interferes with their ability to learn. The IEP

has federal dollars attached to it, and is a bit stronger than the 504. Section

504 is the part of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) that governs

education. Other terms you will hear bandied about are: Free and Appropriate

Public Education (FAPE) and Least Restrictive Environment (LRE). Basically, if

you have a written statement from your physician (ped or shrink) stating that

your child has a neurobiological disorder (NBD) which interferes with his

ability to learn, then the school must respond by putting him on either an IEP

or 504. The IEP is developed by a team that includes the parent (50%) and folks

from the school (50%). The folks from the school include someone representing

the district, the school, the child's teacher, usually the school guidance

counselor, and perhaps the special ed teacher.

Navigating the special ed maze can be overwhelming. I encourage you to visit

the Pacer Center's website, also (pacer.org). This is a fantastic organization

in Minnesota (which, BTW, has one of the best public education systems in the

country -- wish I lived there). Their website is a wealth of information, and

you can use it to find the advocacy organizations in your state. Another way to

get accommodations for your child is to request a MultiFactored Evaluation

(MFE). This is a battery of different kinds of tests used to assess overall

functioning. ALL correspondance with the school MUST be in writing. Keep

copies of everything. I also keep a log of all phone calls to the school. I

use a notepad with carbonless copies for any notes I send to Aiden's teacher(s).

Others have addressed the therapist issues. Feel free to email me with any

specific questions you have regarding IEPs and 504s. Hope I didn't overwhelm

you with too much information.

Jule in Cleveland

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for the info. I'm going to get working on it today.

Terry

Re: New to the groupTerry:I am very sorry to learn of your loss. I hope we can be helpful to you on thislist.I am supposed to be the special ed maven. My 12 yo son has OCD (diagnosed 3years ago), but I have been dealing with the special ed system since he was2-1/2. There are some very good websites that will help you sort through someof the information. One of the best is wrightslaw.com, put together by Pete andPam . Pete is a special ed attorney. There are lots of faq sheets andlinks to other sites. Someone mentioned the IEP book. Another helpful book isTeaching the Tiger -- it's available through amazon.com, although your localBorders might have it. Teaching the Tiger has all sorts of accommodationrecommendations for kids with ADHD, OCD and/or Tourette's.Both IEPs and 504s provide accommodations for children that have a disability(physical or otherwise) that interferes with their ability to learn. The IEPhas federal dollars attached to it, and is a bit stronger than the 504. Section504 is the part of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) that governseducation. Other terms you will hear bandied about are: Free and AppropriatePublic Education (FAPE) and Least Restrictive Environment (LRE). Basically, ifyou have a written statement from your physician (ped or shrink) stating thatyour child has a neurobiological disorder (NBD) which interferes with hisability to learn, then the school must respond by putting him on either an IEPor 504. The IEP is developed by a team that includes the parent (50%) and folksfrom the school (50%). The folks from the school include someone representingthe district, the school, the child's teacher, usually the school guidancecounselor, and perhaps the special ed teacher.Navigating the special ed maze can be overwhelming. I encourage you to visitthe Pacer Center's website, also (pacer.org). This is a fantastic organizationin Minnesota (which, BTW, has one of the best public education systems in thecountry -- wish I lived there). Their website is a wealth of information, andyou can use it to find the advocacy organizations in your state. Another way toget accommodations for your child is to request a MultiFactored Evaluation(MFE). This is a battery of different kinds of tests used to assess overallfunctioning. ALL correspondance with the school MUST be in writing. Keepcopies of everything. I also keep a log of all phone calls to the school. Iuse a notepad with carbonless copies for any notes I send to Aiden's teacher(s).Others have addressed the therapist issues. Feel free to email me with anyspecific questions you have regarding IEPs and 504s. Hope I didn't overwhelmyou with too much information.Jule in ClevelandYou may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives, Files, and Features List for the may be accessed by going to , enter your email address and password, then point and click. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... .

[Guest guest]

Thanks ,

Terry

Re: New to the groupTerry, I am very sorry to hear of your husbands death. This is definatly a tough time for you and your family. I cant help you with the 504 and such, but if there is anything I can do to help make your life a bit less stressful, please dont hesitate. The loss of someone so close will have a serious impact on you and your child with ocd. I'm sorry but I cant remember if there are other kids. If I remember correctly, your in southern california? There are many resources for OCD, I hope that you have been able to connect with someone.take care, wendy, in canada wb4@...________________________________________________________________________Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.comYou may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives, Files, and Features List for the may be accessed by going to , enter your email address and password, then point and click. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... .

[Guest guest]

HI Terry:

Please accept my deepest condolences on the loss of your husband. I

cannot imagine how hard it must be for you to deal with that and also

OCD. Please know I would like to be on your support team and I am

sure there are many other potential members on this list who feel the

same way.

In our state you contact the principal or school administrator regarding

having your child identified as 504. Actually his psychiatrist

wrote the principal on our behalf introducing himself and explaining

Steve's needs. Even though the schools are working under a Federal

consent decree for violating the civil rights of children requiring

mental health services, the principal still gave me the brush off that he

was not qualified for 504. Luckily I knew some parent advocates who

kept me focussed in pursuing Steve's rights and the school's

responsibilities. After he left the school the counselor wrote and

apologized to me for giving me the gears but she had been following the

instructions of her boss, the school principal!

In Steve's middle school they have a number of 504 kids who are also GT

so they have been much more responsive but still I hear of how they give

neophyte parents the brush off. Persistence and determination may

be needed to get what he needs. I suggest finding a

parent advocate in your area and studying up on his rights under Section

504.

Good luck, please keep us posted on your progress with the 504 for

, take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 01:15 AM 08/16/2000 -0700, you wrote:

Thanks

Kathy for the welcome.

No we haven't gotten involved yet with IEP's

or section504. In fact until reading the posts within the last few

days I had never heard of those things. They are definitely things

I'm going to look into.

Would I be going through the school

psychologist? How do you get an IEP started?

How do you get qualified under section

504?

To add to my stress, my husband died 3 weeks

ago so I am now looking into this on my own.

I appreciate all of your help.

Terry

[Guest guest]

Welcome Jackie,

This list has been my sanity a lot of times. We were joking back a few weeks

(months?) about finding my sanity in an alley along with someone else's. This

list helps me keep my sense of humor. And it's amazing that what others would

consider to be such small advances, we can all understand that they are really

mammoth advances. (10 and DS-ASD, ADHD, and Oppositional Defiant

Disorder) just learned how to take a shower by himself, with me just checking on

him! Everyone here knows how big of a step that is.....

I hope you get as much from this list as I do.

Loriann

Wife to Dewight

Mom to , 10 years, Down Syndrome, Autistic Spectrum Disorder, ADHD,

Oppositional Defiant Disorder

And , 15 months and Strong Willed

[Guest guest]

Jackie,

Nice to meet you! Wow you just described Mark in a nutshell, well almost!

I just hate that death drop! Drives me bonkers, but the Mark knows it

and just loves the response! I really enjoyed the idea you passed along

about the bath towel for haircuts! I will MOST DEFIANTLY use it for the next

haircut!

Thanks again!

Jeannie

Mom to Mark and Steph

[Guest guest]

Hi Jackie,

Thanks for the bath towel info. It will come in really handy next round of

blood work! We have to go to a local hospital for blood draws and [of

course] it's hard to get the same tech to do it. When we walk in,

invariably, the tech will tell to go sit in the chair. I tell them

that he needs to be lying down and that we will need help. They look at me

like I'm nuts [ is a big boy] and then we trot on over to the ER so

they can accommodate us. By the time they are done, everybody has worked up

a sweat! I hadn't thought about using something for haircuts. has

had a " buzz " for as long as I can remember. We sit him on a kitchen chair

and Dad does the clipper thing.....he has gotten really proficient over the

years! We took to a barber when he was a toddler and he freaked! He

came home with half a haircut, so we bought the clippers and Dad has done it

ever since.

We are new to the Group too. I was telling my husband about some of the

messages last night. He told me that he didn't know whether to be relieved

that there were other kids out there like or sorry that other parents

were going as crazy as us! LOL!! Truly, in addition to the great

information and resources available through the group, there is a certain

perverse comfort in knowing that you aren't alone! I forsee me spending a

lot more time at the computer!

Terry - Mom to (13 yrs) - DS/ASD

[Guest guest]

really nice to meet you jackie, hope to hear more from you! shawna, mom to

nathan 9yrs wds pdd, and nicholas 7yrs.

[Guest guest]

nathan 9yrs w/ds pdd has been taking a shower for awhile per self, BUT now he

insists he is going " poopoo " and delay taking a shower until i manually

manke him get in the shower, even then its hard. but i dont want to defer him

from the poopoo thing, ive also found out he d oes this every time goes to

bathroom at school---probably finds it as a way out of work, lol, and who

says our kids cant figure things out,lol ya right.shawna.

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Hi Kista,

Welcome to the list! Glad you found us.

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new to the group

Hi, my name is Kista. I've been doing LL for almost a year now. It has

done great

things for my body and spirit. My sister, Liz got me started. She is

great. I know you

all think so to. I can see that I'm going to enjoy these Lists. Hope

everyone has a great day.

Love, Kista