Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 >Since our group last month, I have lost 12 lbs, I > would still like to lose 100lbs. Welcome back, and congrats! > It is > difficult to cheat when your colleagues are watching, LOL. And so easy to when everyone around you (like hubby, in my case) is urging you to go ahead and eat that piece of cake! It is also > great to call up your buddy when you are having a weak moment and have > her talk you out of making a mistake. The very thing the groups like Overeaters Anonymous is founded on. > I now understand that I am addicted to food just like people who are > addicted to drugs, etc. Except you can live without ever touching another drop of booze, but you *must* eat 3 times a day if you want to live. Sue in NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 Hey Steve is so right. DIET YUGH... Sue taught me long ago it is a LIFE style change. BEST advice water, portions, and exercise are key to any program. N.H.It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Hi , Welcome to the group... It sounds like you have already made some changes and are well on your way! Congrats!a Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 HI , I am . I am a sahm to 2 wonderful kids that are 15 and 8. I have been overweight for about 10 years. I have a number of health problems that would probably subside if I lost the weight. I also need to lose about 120 pounds. My goal is to lose it by Jun 30, 2010. My family is planning a trip to Disney World, Sea World and the Kenneday Space Center in July of 2010. So, I want to be able to enjoy myself on that trip without carrying aournd a hundered extra pounds. My short term goal is to lose 1-2 pounds a week. I have been on the slim fast diet plan for about 10 days now. My weigh in days are mondays. I am expecting a loss. Now, the slimfast diet plan isn't all liquid, they actually have a sensible diet plan that you get off the website. Mine is a 1700 calorie diet, until I lose about 30 pounds then it will go down a bit. I haven't been on this board long, but so far it has been great. I am glad you are here and shared about yourself. jkkmurman <jkkmurman@...> wrote: Hi my name is and I am new here. I am excited to find a group that is determined to lose weight through diet and exercise. I have tried just about every gimmick out there and every fad "diet" and have finally come to the conclusion that there is only one way for me and that is with a lifestyle change of the way I eat. I am using only one "aid" if you want to call it that. I found a book quite by accident (looking for a cookbook!) at Ross and it is called Change One. It is a 12-week plan that leads to a total lifestyle change. The basic concept is that instead of going full force onto a diet you only change one meal a week, so week 1 you change the way you eat breakfast, week 2 is lunch, week 3 is snacks and so on. The book even covers eating out…something I often have trouble with. By change I mean you cut your calories and fat and eat smaller portion sizes. The cool thing is that at the front of the book are pictures of everyday items you can use to measure your portions, things like CD's, a deck of cards and a tennis ball. Wow I sound like an infomercial!! Anyways on 3-13 I will have completed a month and to date have lost 8 pounds. I probably could have lost more but I haven't been exercising like I should.So let's see what else can I tell you about me? I am happily married to an awesomely supportive man. We are about to celebrate 8 yrs. We have a 4 yr old miracle baby, who thinks she is the "missing" princess! We live in a small town in Texas not to far from Fort Worth. I love to scrapbook and make cards. I am the coordinator for our 5-12 yr olds at Well of Life Church. I love music, ballet, puzzles, and documentaries. I am finding that I am quite a "nerd" and proud of it! I have been overweight most of my life and am determined to lose this weight. I am not looking to be skinny or even a size 4… I would be happy with a size 14 if that is what healthy would look like on me! I am about 120 lbs overweight. I would like to have lost at least 10% of my body weight by the end May. Well that about does it. Have a blessed night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2008 Report Share Posted March 8, 2008 Welcome I'm new here too, also happily married (9 years) with about 120 to loose. I saw that change one plan in readers digest a while back, sounds like it's going good for you, congrats! Keep up the good work, Chris > > Hi my name is and I am new here. I am excited to find a group > that is determined to lose weight through diet and exercise. I have > tried just about every gimmick out there and every fad " diet " and > have finally come to the conclusion that there is only one way for me > and that is with a lifestyle change of the way I eat. I am using only > one " aid " if you want to call it that. I found a book quite by > accident (looking for a cookbook!) at Ross and it is called Change > One. It is a 12-week plan that leads to a total lifestyle change. The > basic concept is that instead of going full force onto a diet you > only change one meal a week, so week 1 you change the way you eat > breakfast, week 2 is lunch, week 3 is snacks and so on. The book even > covers eating out…something I often have trouble with. By change I > mean you cut your calories and fat and eat smaller portion sizes. The > cool thing is that at the front of the book are pictures of everyday > items you can use to measure your portions, things like CD's, a deck > of cards and a tennis ball. Wow I sound like an infomercial!! Anyways > on 3-13 I will have completed a month and to date have lost 8 pounds. > I probably could have lost more but I haven't been exercising like I > should. > So let's see what else can I tell you about me? I am happily > married to an awesomely supportive man. We are about to celebrate 8 > yrs. We have a 4 yr old miracle baby, who thinks she is the " missing " > princess! We live in a small town in Texas not to far from Fort > Worth. I love to scrapbook and make cards. I am the coordinator for > our 5-12 yr olds at Well of Life Church. I love music, ballet, > puzzles, and documentaries. I am finding that I am quite a " nerd " and > proud of it! I have been overweight most of my life and am determined > to lose this weight. I am not looking to be skinny or even a size 4… > I would be happy with a size 14 if that is what healthy would look > like on me! I am about 120 lbs overweight. I would like to have lost > at least 10% of my body weight by the end May. Well that about does > it. Have a blessed night. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2008 Report Share Posted March 9, 2008 Hi - welcome to our group and congrats to your success the 1st month on your program. I'm the other (LOL) and live in WA - have 3 boys (11, 13 and 15). I'm teetering on 60 lbs gone. Look forward to following your journey. in WAIt's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Welcome . First time I heard of your plan you are doing. BUT it follows my motto and whatever plan always has portions, exercise and water. N.H.It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money Finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Welcome em5704. Be sure to get copies of your tests and keep your own file. Do you have any blood test results for aldosterone and renin? There are many experienced people on this list and I'm sure others will chime in. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of em5704Hello, been lurking for a while and now feel ready to post my story. PLease bear with me! Six years ago, while in hospital for a hysterectomy, I learned that my serum potassium was low (on the pre-op bloodwork) and that my BP was high. No one explained why low potassium could be dangerous, or that it could be connected to HBP. I just thought the low potassium was because I have a food intolerance to bananas (which weirdly started when I was 34 and pregnant and has continued to this day, 16 years later) and didnt eat enough potassium. Anyway ... went to the doctor as soon as I was able, to tell her about the HBP readings in the hospital. I also weighed around 190 at the time. (5' 3 " ) My doc said my BP was pre-hypertensive and put me on Lisinopril. She was not concerned about the low potassium and I didnt have the knowledge back then to push it. Lisinopril didnt work for me (got the ACE cough), was put on a beta blocker (Toprol). Over the next 6 years, I slowly lost more than 50 pounds through changing my eating patterns and portions and relationship to food, and also through daily exercise. My BP remained pre-hypertensive. Somewhere along the line, I was switched to Atenolol and then when that was not bringing my BP down (usually it was around 135-138/80- ish), the doc started bugging me about going on a diuretic too. I reminded her that I had low potassium, hello! My regimen ended up being 100 mg atenolol per day and 5 mg Atacand per day, and that wasn't bringing the BP down to " normal " either. In Sept 07, I made the doc send me for a blood potassium test to see if anything had changed (I was thinking of trying the diuretic, if my K was alright) and got back a note from the doc saying lab result was normal. But I didn't get around to trying the diuretic, thankfully. In October, I was having what my gyn thought was ovarian cyst symptoms (pain that seemed to be cyclical -- kept ovaries when had my hysto). Sent me for a CT scan. Everything was normal,except a finding of an adrenal incidentaloma on left adrenal gland, around 1.4 cm. After Googling about adrenal incidentalomas and seeing the HBP/low potassium connection, I went to see my primary doc. She reluctantly said that I should go see an endo, but warned me that it's hard to do the tests, there may be no connection with the BP, better to leave it alone, yada yada. I asked for a copy of the potassium lab to take with me and low and behold, my serum potassium was NOT normal, it was 3.4, which is just below the 3.5 cutoff for normal. Thanks a lot, doc. Got in to see an endo in Feb. He took me off the beta blocker and Atacand and put me on 5 mg of Norvasc, which has maintained my BP at a nice level ever since (usually 119-122/74-78). Did the 24 hour urine collection for K and NA. Saw him today to discuss that, and he said labs on that 24 hr test were normal -- said he is ruling out Cushings (which I knew I didnt have anyway, since I have none of the physical appearance markers). He did not show me the actual lab results, so I cant quote numbers here. I have a lab order to do a second 24 hour urine collection for aldosterone, as well as plasma free metanephrines and upright plasma renin. I guess what I want to know is, if it turns out I have a functioning tumor and it's Conn's, do I need to have the gland removed? IS it possible to just live with it, if my blood pressure is well controlled on 1 med? And could there be any other weird reason why my potassium measures low, totally unconnected to the tumor? COuld I have A, B and C, but they don't add up to D? Everyone on both my mother and father's side of the family has or had HBP. A lot of heart attacks in the family. No adrenal problems that anyone knows of. I have had none of the weight gain, fatigue, fainting, spiking high BP, headaches, sweating etc symptoms I've read about here. No diabetes either. I have been diagnosed with anxiety disorder (diagnosed 20 years ago) and IBS. But I am not on any meds and am feeling relatively calm and good. I guess I am looking for some reassurance. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 On Mar 11, 2008, at 5:33 PM, em5704 wrote: > Hello, been lurking for a while and now feel ready to post my story. > PLease bear with me! > > Six years ago, while in hospital for a hysterectomy, I learned that > my serum potassium was low (on the pre-op bloodwork) and that my BP > was high. No one explained why low potassium could be dangerous, or > that it could be connected to HBP. I just thought the low potassium > was because I have a food intolerance to bananas (which weirdly > started when I was 34 and pregnant and has continued to this day, 16 > years later) and didnt eat enough potassium. > > Anyway ... went to the doctor as soon as I was able, to tell her > about the HBP readings in the hospital. I also weighed around 190 at > the time. (5' 3 " ) My doc said my BP was pre-hypertensive and put me > on Lisinopril. Lisinopril does not work in PA. see my article. > She was not concerned about the low potassium and I > didnt have the knowledge back then to push it. Lisinopril didnt work > for me (got the ACE cough), was put on a beta blocker (Toprol). BB do not work well in PA. > Over > the next 6 years, I slowly lost more than 50 pounds through changing > my eating patterns and portions and relationship to food, and also > through daily exercise. My BP remained pre-hypertensive. Good work. > > Somewhere along the line, I was switched to Atenolol and then when > that was not bringing my BP down (usually it was around 135-138/80- > ish), the doc started bugging me about going on a diuretic too. I > reminded her that I had low potassium, hello! My regimen ended up > being 100 mg atenolol per day and 5 mg Atacand per day, Atacand does not work in PA. See my article and take to your MD and all who missed your problem. > and that > wasn't bringing the BP down to " normal " either. In Sept 07, I made > the doc send me for a blood potassium test to see if anything had > changed (I was thinking of trying the diuretic, if my K was alright) > and got back a note from the doc saying lab result was normal. But I > didn't get around to trying the diuretic, thankfully. > > In October, I was having what my gyn thought was ovarian cyst > symptoms (pain that seemed to be cyclical -- kept ovaries when had my > hysto). Sent me for a CT scan. Everything was normal,except a finding > of an adrenal incidentaloma on left adrenal gland, around 1.4 cm. Likely not so incidental with HTN and Hx of low K! > After Googling about adrenal incidentalomas and seeing the HBP/low > potassium connection, I went to see my primary doc. She reluctantly > said that I should go see an endo, but warned me that it's hard to do > the tests, there may be no connection with the BP, better to leave it > alone, yada yada. Today any GP can do the tests and most Endos don't know what to do. > I asked for a copy of the potassium lab to take > with me and low and behold, my serum potassium was NOT normal, it was > 3.4, which is just below the 3.5 cutoff for normal. Thanks a lot, doc. > > Got in to see an endo in Feb. He took me off the beta blocker and > Atacand and put me on 5 mg of Norvasc, which has maintained my BP at > a nice level ever since (usually 119-122/74-78). Norvasc does not usually work good in PA. Take my article to endo too. > Did the 24 hour > urine collection for K and NA. Saw him today to discuss that, and he > said labs on that 24 hr test were normal -- said he is ruling out > Cushings (which I knew I didnt have anyway, since I have none of the > physical appearance markers). He did not show me the actual lab > results, so I cant quote numbers here. God dammit get the actual numbers. > I have a lab order to do a > second 24 hour urine collection for aldosterone, as well as plasma > free metanephrines and upright plasma renin. You need both plasma renin AND plasma aldo. Take your Endo my article. Better yet sent it. > > I guess what I want to know is, if it turns out I have a functioning > tumor and it's Conn's, do I need to have the gland removed? Not unless spiro or Inspra and DASH don't control BP and K. Yes read my article. > IS it > possible to just live with it, if my blood pressure is well > controlled on 1 med? Yes read my article. > And could there be any other weird reason why > my potassium measures low, totally unconnected to the tumor? yes we need to know what the K was in the urine to asses this. > COuld I > have A, B and C, but they don't add up to D? Trust you don't each licorice every day and that your Endo asked that. > > Everyone on both my mother and father's side of the family has or had > HBP. A lot of heart attacks in the family. Anyone with low K in the family? You may have a rare cause of PA. > No adrenal problems that > anyone knows of. I have had none of the weight gain, fatigue, > fainting, spiking high BP, headaches, sweating etc symptoms I've read > about here. No diabetes either. I have been diagnosed with anxiety > disorder (diagnosed 20 years ago) and IBS. How many times a night do you get up to pee? Do you ever have cramps in your hands or feet? > But I am not on any meds > and am feeling relatively calm and good. > > I guess I am looking for some reassurance. Thanks. You need a Dr who knows what they are doing. If you can tell us the city we may know someone to see who knows what they are doing. Keep us posted. Our task here it to teach your MD how to handle PA so he or she do not miss all the other cases they have in their practice. > > May your pressure be low! CE Grim BS, MS, MD High Blood Pressure Consulting Specializing in Difficult to Manage High Blood Pressure Consult the following at for details bloodpressureline hyperaldosteronism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Thank you Val and Dr Grim. Re: Dr Grim's questions -- Anyone with low K in the family? You may have a rare cause of PA. I asked my mother about low potassium in the family and as far as she knows, no. (But my family is not known for their savviness about health issues.) A lot of cardiovascular stuff on both sides, though. You need both plasma renin AND plasma aldo. Take your Endo my article. > Better yet sent it. Will do. How many times a night do you get up to pee? Usually once, sometimes twice, sometimes none. Every so often, if I am worried or nervous about something and cant sleep, I can lay awake for hours and pee every half hour. I assumed this was nervousness. > > Do you ever have cramps in your hands or feet? Nope. I also don't eat licorice. You need a Dr who knows what they are doing. If you can tell us the > city we may know someone to see who knows what they are doing. I am in San Mateo CA. I am seeing an endo who is supposedly the best in the area right now. The lab tests I am slated for are 24 hour urine (aldosterone and metanephrines), plasma free metanephrines, upright plasma renin activity. I will take your article to my next doctor appt. Can I ask if doctors are offended by patients who ask for a copy of their lab reports? I always feel like I'm being pushy. But after my GP totally blew it with my K blood test result, I'm more inclined to push. Thank you, Em > > > Hello, been lurking for a while and now feel ready to post my story. > > PLease bear with me! > > > > Six years ago, while in hospital for a hysterectomy, I learned that > > my serum potassium was low (on the pre-op bloodwork) and that my BP > > was high. No one explained why low potassium could be dangerous, or > > that it could be connected to HBP. I just thought the low potassium > > was because I have a food intolerance to bananas (which weirdly > > started when I was 34 and pregnant and has continued to this day, 16 > > years later) and didnt eat enough potassium. > > > > Anyway ... went to the doctor as soon as I was able, to tell her > > about the HBP readings in the hospital. I also weighed around 190 at > > the time. (5' 3 " ) My doc said my BP was pre-hypertensive and put me > > on Lisinopril. > > Lisinopril does not work in PA. see my article. > > > > She was not concerned about the low potassium and I > > didnt have the knowledge back then to push it. Lisinopril didnt work > > for me (got the ACE cough), was put on a beta blocker (Toprol). > > BB do not work well in PA. > > > > Over > > the next 6 years, I slowly lost more than 50 pounds through changing > > my eating patterns and portions and relationship to food, and also > > through daily exercise. My BP remained pre-hypertensive. > > Good work. > > > > Somewhere along the line, I was switched to Atenolol and then when > > that was not bringing my BP down (usually it was around 135-138/80- > > ish), the doc started bugging me about going on a diuretic too. I > > reminded her that I had low potassium, hello! My regimen ended up > > being 100 mg atenolol per day and 5 mg Atacand per day, > > Atacand does not work in PA. See my article and take to your MD and all > who missed your problem. > > > and that > > wasn't bringing the BP down to " normal " either. In Sept 07, I made > > the doc send me for a blood potassium test to see if anything had > > changed (I was thinking of trying the diuretic, if my K was alright) > > and got back a note from the doc saying lab result was normal. But I > > didn't get around to trying the diuretic, thankfully. > > > > In October, I was having what my gyn thought was ovarian cyst > > symptoms (pain that seemed to be cyclical -- kept ovaries when had my > > hysto). Sent me for a CT scan. Everything was normal,except a finding > > of an adrenal incidentaloma on left adrenal gland, around 1.4 cm. > > Likely not so incidental with HTN and Hx of low K! > > > > After Googling about adrenal incidentalomas and seeing the HBP/low > > potassium connection, I went to see my primary doc. She reluctantly > > said that I should go see an endo, but warned me that it's hard to do > > the tests, there may be no connection with the BP, better to leave it > > alone, yada yada. > > Today any GP can do the tests and most Endos don't know what to do. > > > > I asked for a copy of the potassium lab to take > > with me and low and behold, my serum potassium was NOT normal, it was > > 3.4, which is just below the 3.5 cutoff for normal. Thanks a lot, doc. > > > > Got in to see an endo in Feb. He took me off the beta blocker and > > Atacand and put me on 5 mg of Norvasc, which has maintained my BP at > > a nice level ever since (usually 119-122/74-78). > Norvasc does not usually work good in PA. > > Take my article to endo too. > > > > Did the 24 hour > > urine collection for K and NA. Saw him today to discuss that, and he > > said labs on that 24 hr test were normal -- said he is ruling out > > Cushings (which I knew I didnt have anyway, since I have none of the > > physical appearance markers). He did not show me the actual lab > > results, so I cant quote numbers here. > > God dammit get the actual numbers. > > > > I have a lab order to do a > > second 24 hour urine collection for aldosterone, as well as plasma > > free metanephrines and upright plasma renin. > > You need both plasma renin AND plasma aldo. Take your Endo my article. > Better yet sent it. > > > > I guess what I want to know is, if it turns out I have a functioning > > tumor and it's Conn's, do I need to have the gland removed? > > Not unless spiro or Inspra and DASH don't control BP and K. > > > Yes read my article. > > > IS it > > possible to just live with it, if my blood pressure is well > > controlled on 1 med? > > Yes read my article. > > > And could there be any other weird reason why > > my potassium measures low, totally unconnected to the tumor? > > yes we need to know what the K was in the urine to asses this. > > > > COuld I > > have A, B and C, but they don't add up to D? > > Trust you don't each licorice every day and that your Endo asked that. > > > > Everyone on both my mother and father's side of the family has or had > > HBP. A lot of heart attacks in the family. > > Anyone with low K in the family? You may have a rare cause of PA. > > > No adrenal problems that > > anyone knows of. I have had none of the weight gain, fatigue, > > fainting, spiking high BP, headaches, sweating etc symptoms I've read > > about here. No diabetes either. I have been diagnosed with anxiety > > disorder (diagnosed 20 years ago) and IBS. > > How many times a night do you get up to pee? > > Do you ever have cramps in your hands or feet? > > > > But I am not on any meds > > and am feeling relatively calm and good. > > > > I guess I am looking for some reassurance. Thanks. > > You need a Dr who knows what they are doing. If you can tell us the > city we may know someone to see who knows what they are doing. > > Keep us posted. > > Our task here it to teach your MD how to handle PA so he or she do not > miss all the other cases they have in their practice. > > > > > > > > > May your pressure be low! > > CE Grim BS, MS, MD > High Blood Pressure Consulting > Specializing in Difficult to Manage High Blood Pressure > Consult the following at for details > bloodpressureline > hyperaldosteronism > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 On Mar 11, 2008, at 9:50 PM, em5704 wrote: > > Thank you Val and Dr Grim. > > Re: Dr Grim's questions -- > > Anyone with low K in the family? You may have a rare cause of PA. > > I asked my mother about low potassium in the family and as far as she > knows, no. (But my family is not known for their savviness about > health > issues.) A lot of cardiovascular stuff on both sides, though. > > You need both plasma renin AND plasma aldo. Take your Endo my article. > > Better yet sent it. > > Will do. > > How many times a night do you get up to pee? > > Usually once, sometimes twice, sometimes none. Every so often, if I am > worried or nervous about something and cant sleep, I can lay awake for > hours and pee every half hour. I assumed this was nervousness. > > > > > Do you ever have cramps in your hands or feet? > > Nope. > > I also don't eat licorice. > > You need a Dr who knows what they are doing. If you can tell us the > > city we may know someone to see who knows what they are doing. > > I am in San Mateo CA. I am seeing an endo who is supposedly the best > in > the area right now. Ask how many PAs they have followed for more that 5 years, 10 years etc. Take them my article as well. > > The lab tests I am slated for are 24 hour urine (aldosterone and > metanephrines), plasma free metanephrines, upright plasma renin > activity. I will take your article to my next doctor appt. Tell them you want Na and K in this same urine and while you are doing it an albumin. Tell them you want an aldo anytime a renin is done. Unless they instruct the lab to draw both and then only do the aldo if the renin is low. This is the most cost effective but most labs won't do this. > > Can I ask if doctors are offended by patients who ask for a copy of > their lab reports? I always feel like I'm being pushy. But after my GP > totally blew it with my K blood test result, I'm more inclined to > push. No if they are tell them you are going to find another Dr. Tell them you are not likely to be seeing the same Dr for the rest of your life and you want to keep your own medical record---and do just that. > > Thank you, > > Em > > > > > > > Hello, been lurking for a while and now feel ready to post my > story. > > > PLease bear with me! > > > > > > Six years ago, while in hospital for a hysterectomy, I learned > that > > > my serum potassium was low (on the pre-op bloodwork) and that my > BP > > > was high. No one explained why low potassium could be dangerous, > or > > > that it could be connected to HBP. I just thought the low > potassium > > > was because I have a food intolerance to bananas (which weirdly > > > started when I was 34 and pregnant and has continued to this day, > 16 > > > years later) and didnt eat enough potassium. > > > > > > Anyway ... went to the doctor as soon as I was able, to tell her > > > about the HBP readings in the hospital. I also weighed around 190 > at > > > the time. (5' 3 " ) My doc said my BP was pre-hypertensive and put > me > > > on Lisinopril. > > > > Lisinopril does not work in PA. see my article. > > > > > > > She was not concerned about the low potassium and I > > > didnt have the knowledge back then to push it. Lisinopril didnt > work > > > for me (got the ACE cough), was put on a beta blocker (Toprol). > > > > BB do not work well in PA. > > > > > > > Over > > > the next 6 years, I slowly lost more than 50 pounds through > changing > > > my eating patterns and portions and relationship to food, and also > > > through daily exercise. My BP remained pre-hypertensive. > > > > Good work. > > > > > > Somewhere along the line, I was switched to Atenolol and then when > > > that was not bringing my BP down (usually it was around > 135-138/80- > > > ish), the doc started bugging me about going on a diuretic too. I > > > reminded her that I had low potassium, hello! My regimen ended up > > > being 100 mg atenolol per day and 5 mg Atacand per day, > > > > Atacand does not work in PA. See my article and take to your MD and > all > > who missed your problem. > > > > > and that > > > wasn't bringing the BP down to " normal " either. In Sept 07, I made > > > the doc send me for a blood potassium test to see if anything had > > > changed (I was thinking of trying the diuretic, if my K was > alright) > > > and got back a note from the doc saying lab result was normal. > But I > > > didn't get around to trying the diuretic, thankfully. > > > > > > In October, I was having what my gyn thought was ovarian cyst > > > symptoms (pain that seemed to be cyclical -- kept ovaries when had > my > > > hysto). Sent me for a CT scan. Everything was normal,except a > finding > > > of an adrenal incidentaloma on left adrenal gland, around 1.4 cm. > > > > Likely not so incidental with HTN and Hx of low K! > > > > > > > After Googling about adrenal incidentalomas and seeing the HBP/low > > > potassium connection, I went to see my primary doc. She > reluctantly > > > said that I should go see an endo, but warned me that it's hard to > do > > > the tests, there may be no connection with the BP, better to leave > it > > > alone, yada yada. > > > > Today any GP can do the tests and most Endos don't know what to do. > > > > > > > I asked for a copy of the potassium lab to take > > > with me and low and behold, my serum potassium was NOT normal, it > was > > > 3.4, which is just below the 3.5 cutoff for normal. Thanks a lot, > doc. > > > > > > Got in to see an endo in Feb. He took me off the beta blocker and > > > Atacand and put me on 5 mg of Norvasc, which has maintained my BP > at > > > a nice level ever since (usually 119-122/74-78). > > Norvasc does not usually work good in PA. > > > > Take my article to endo too. > > > > > > > Did the 24 hour > > > urine collection for K and NA. Saw him today to discuss that, and > he > > > said labs on that 24 hr test were normal -- said he is ruling out > > > Cushings (which I knew I didnt have anyway, since I have none of > the > > > physical appearance markers). He did not show me the actual lab > > > results, so I cant quote numbers here. > > > > God dammit get the actual numbers. > > > > > > > I have a lab order to do a > > > second 24 hour urine collection for aldosterone, as well as plasma > > > free metanephrines and upright plasma renin. > > > > You need both plasma renin AND plasma aldo. Take your Endo my > article. > > Better yet sent it. > > > > > > I guess what I want to know is, if it turns out I have a > functioning > > > tumor and it's Conn's, do I need to have the gland removed? > > > > Not unless spiro or Inspra and DASH don't control BP and K. > > > > > > Yes read my article. > > > > > IS it > > > possible to just live with it, if my blood pressure is well > > > controlled on 1 med? > > > > Yes read my article. > > > > > And could there be any other weird reason why > > > my potassium measures low, totally unconnected to the tumor? > > > > yes we need to know what the K was in the urine to asses this. > > > > > > > COuld I > > > have A, B and C, but they don't add up to D? > > > > Trust you don't each licorice every day and that your Endo asked > that. > > > > > > Everyone on both my mother and father's side of the family has or > had > > > HBP. A lot of heart attacks in the family. > > > > Anyone with low K in the family? You may have a rare cause of PA. > > > > > No adrenal problems that > > > anyone knows of. I have had none of the weight gain, fatigue, > > > fainting, spiking high BP, headaches, sweating etc symptoms I've > read > > > about here. No diabetes either. I have been diagnosed with anxiety > > > disorder (diagnosed 20 years ago) and IBS. > > > > How many times a night do you get up to pee? > > > > Do you ever have cramps in your hands or feet? > > > > > > > But I am not on any meds > > > and am feeling relatively calm and good. > > > > > > I guess I am looking for some reassurance. Thanks. > > > > You need a Dr who knows what they are doing. If you can tell us the > > city we may know someone to see who knows what they are doing. > > > > Keep us posted. > > > > Our task here it to teach your MD how to handle PA so he or she do > not > > miss all the other cases they have in their practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > May your pressure be low! > > > > CE Grim BS, MS, MD > > High Blood Pressure Consulting > > Specializing in Difficult to Manage High Blood Pressure > > Consult the following at for details > > bloodpressureline > > hyperaldosteronism > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Em, by law, you are entitled to a copy of your records/lab reports. You have already learned how important it is to get them and look them over. You should keep your own record. My new endo asked me to bring my records. Val From: hyperaldosteronism [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of em5704 Can I ask if doctors are offended by patients who ask for a copy of their lab reports? I always feel like I'm being pushy. But after my GP totally blew it with my K blood test result, I'm more inclined to push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Thank you. I will pursue this with the doctor and the lab. > > Em, by law, you are entitled to a copy of your records/lab reports. You > have already learned how important it is to get them and look them over. > You should keep your own record. My new endo asked me to bring my records. > > Val > > From: hyperaldosteronism > [mailto:hyperaldosteronism ] On Behalf Of em5704 > > Can I ask if doctors are offended by patients who ask for a copy of > their lab reports? I always feel like I'm being pushy. But after my GP > totally blew it with my K blood test result, I'm more inclined to push. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Strangely Norvasc worked well for me when combined with Midamor (amiloride) but the problem with Norvasc for me was it caused swelling in my feet. This was before Inspra (eplerenone was available and I couldn't use Spironolactone because of severe gynocomastia nodules. > > Hello, been lurking for a while and now feel ready to post my story. > PLease bear with me! > > Six years ago, while in hospital for a hysterectomy, I learned that > my serum potassium was low (on the pre-op bloodwork) and that my BP > was high. No one explained why low potassium could be dangerous, or > that it could be connected to HBP. I just thought the low potassium > was because I have a food intolerance to bananas (which weirdly > started when I was 34 and pregnant and has continued to this day, 16 > years later) and didnt eat enough potassium. > > Anyway ... went to the doctor as soon as I was able, to tell her > about the HBP readings in the hospital. I also weighed around 190 at > the time. (5' 3 " ) My doc said my BP was pre-hypertensive and put me > on Lisinopril. She was not concerned about the low potassium and I > didnt have the knowledge back then to push it. Lisinopril didnt work > for me (got the ACE cough), was put on a beta blocker (Toprol). Over > the next 6 years, I slowly lost more than 50 pounds through changing > my eating patterns and portions and relationship to food, and also > through daily exercise. My BP remained pre-hypertensive. > > Somewhere along the line, I was switched to Atenolol and then when > that was not bringing my BP down (usually it was around 135-138/80- > ish), the doc started bugging me about going on a diuretic too. I > reminded her that I had low potassium, hello! My regimen ended up > being 100 mg atenolol per day and 5 mg Atacand per day, and that > wasn't bringing the BP down to " normal " either. In Sept 07, I made > the doc send me for a blood potassium test to see if anything had > changed (I was thinking of trying the diuretic, if my K was alright) > and got back a note from the doc saying lab result was normal. But I > didn't get around to trying the diuretic, thankfully. > > In October, I was having what my gyn thought was ovarian cyst > symptoms (pain that seemed to be cyclical -- kept ovaries when had my > hysto). Sent me for a CT scan. Everything was normal,except a finding > of an adrenal incidentaloma on left adrenal gland, around 1.4 cm. > After Googling about adrenal incidentalomas and seeing the HBP/low > potassium connection, I went to see my primary doc. She reluctantly > said that I should go see an endo, but warned me that it's hard to do > the tests, there may be no connection with the BP, better to leave it > alone, yada yada. I asked for a copy of the potassium lab to take > with me and low and behold, my serum potassium was NOT normal, it was > 3.4, which is just below the 3.5 cutoff for normal. Thanks a lot, doc. > > Got in to see an endo in Feb. He took me off the beta blocker and > Atacand and put me on 5 mg of Norvasc, which has maintained my BP at > a nice level ever since (usually 119-122/74-78). Did the 24 hour > urine collection for K and NA. Saw him today to discuss that, and he > said labs on that 24 hr test were normal -- said he is ruling out > Cushings (which I knew I didnt have anyway, since I have none of the > physical appearance markers). He did not show me the actual lab > results, so I cant quote numbers here. I have a lab order to do a > second 24 hour urine collection for aldosterone, as well as plasma > free metanephrines and upright plasma renin. > > I guess what I want to know is, if it turns out I have a functioning > tumor and it's Conn's, do I need to have the gland removed? IS it > possible to just live with it, if my blood pressure is well > controlled on 1 med? And could there be any other weird reason why > my potassium measures low, totally unconnected to the tumor? COuld I > have A, B and C, but they don't add up to D? > > Everyone on both my mother and father's side of the family has or had > HBP. A lot of heart attacks in the family. No adrenal problems that > anyone knows of. I have had none of the weight gain, fatigue, > fainting, spiking high BP, headaches, sweating etc symptoms I've read > about here. No diabetes either. I have been diagnosed with anxiety > disorder (diagnosed 20 years ago) and IBS. But I am not on any meds > and am feeling relatively calm and good. > > I guess I am looking for some reassurance. Thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Welcome, . You are far from alone in worrying about how to deal with the doctors, especially if you're not good with confrontation. The good news is, you will be really soon!! You can expect the doctor to at least recommend you vaccinate, and probably to give one or two that they personally feel are really important. It's easy to succumb to this compromise position you're being offered so I would be prepared for this. At worst, you might really get blasted for it. Since this is new to you--I don't like to put words in peoples mouths, but--tell the doc you are just not comfortable with it and want to do more research. The fact that you will likely be researching for 15 years as I have is beside the point! You're in charge. Be tough. Winnie New here Vaccinations > I was referred here by a friend who is in another group I belong > to. I > am happy to virtually meet you all: ) I'm a mom of a five year > old who > is up to date on all of her vaccines and am pregnant with > another due > this fall. My husband asked me to delve into some research about > vaccines before we get anymore shots for our daughter or any at all > for our newborn. The things I found in regards to my research were > quite disturbing. > > With my first born, I was young and naive and oblivious to just about > everything concerning parenthood, infants, children, child birth, > vaccinations, ect. This time (and from here on out) I want to be a > more pro active parent, not just doing what the doctor feels > best. > > I have decided that I will not vaccinate my daughter again and will > also not vaccinate my new baby. I have some fears though. I am > not one > that deals well with confrontational situations; I get anxiety pretty > badly if I feel attacked in any way. So I am asking, what to > expect? I > realize that I need to write a birth plan, or contract I guess. But > what kind of reaction should I expect from my OB/ GYN who is > also my > daughters family practice doctor? How should I be prepared to deal > with the different reactions that may occur? I found a 'refusal of > recommended vaccines' form online, and assume that is a good > thing to > have on hand when the time comes to face this. I was also given > a link > that has lots of forms- one of which is a form that you can ask a > pushy doctor to sign for you stating that your child will not be > harmed by vaccinations. I don't really know how effective this would > be, especially considering that many docs won't admit that there > is a > link between vaccines and many of the problems they can cause, > but I'm > doubting I could get anyone to sign it, that's for sure. SO, if you > have a personal experience with this type of situation, can you help > me to prepare myself? Thanks so much, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Hi Winnie I like your attitude and your P.M.A. Its people like you that make a difference. Have a vaccine and drug free day. Jim New here Vaccinations > I was referred here by a friend who is in another group I belong > to. I > am happy to virtually meet you all: ) I'm a mom of a five year > old who > is up to date on all of her vaccines and am pregnant with > another due > this fall. My husband asked me to delve into some research about > vaccines before we get anymore shots for our daughter or any at all > for our newborn. The things I found in regards to my research were > quite disturbing. > > With my first born, I was young and naive and oblivious to just about > everything concerning parenthood, infants, children, child birth, > vaccinations, ect. This time (and from here on out) I want to be a > more pro active parent, not just doing what the doctor feels > best. > > I have decided that I will not vaccinate my daughter again and will > also not vaccinate my new baby. I have some fears though. I am > not one > that deals well with confrontational situations; I get anxiety pretty > badly if I feel attacked in any way. So I am asking, what to > expect? I > realize that I need to write a birth plan, or contract I guess. But > what kind of reaction should I expect from my OB/ GYN who is > also my > daughters family practice doctor? How should I be prepared to deal > with the different reactions that may occur? I found a 'refusal of > recommended vaccines' form online, and assume that is a good > thing to > have on hand when the time comes to face this. I was also given > a link > that has lots of forms- one of which is a form that you can ask a > pushy doctor to sign for you stating that your child will not be > harmed by vaccinations. I don't really know how effective this would > be, especially considering that many docs won't admit that there > is a > link between vaccines and many of the problems they can cause, > but I'm > doubting I could get anyone to sign it, that's for sure. SO, if you > have a personal experience with this type of situation, can you help > me to prepare myself? Thanks so much, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Thanks, and they're are plenty of other people here, including you, who are making a huge difference in educating others. Thank YOU. Winnie New here > Vaccinations > > > I was referred here by a friend who is in another group I > belong > > to. I > > am happy to virtually meet you all: ) I'm a mom of a five year > > old who > > is up to date on all of her vaccines and am pregnant with > > another due > > this fall. My husband asked me to delve into some research about > > vaccines before we get anymore shots for our daughter or any > at all > > for our newborn. The things I found in regards to my research were > > quite disturbing. > > > > With my first born, I was young and naive and oblivious to > just about > > everything concerning parenthood, infants, children, child birth, > > vaccinations, ect. This time (and from here on out) I want to > be a > > more pro active parent, not just doing what the doctor feels > > best. > > > > I have decided that I will not vaccinate my daughter again and will > > also not vaccinate my new baby. I have some fears though. I am > > not one > > that deals well with confrontational situations; I get anxiety > pretty> badly if I feel attacked in any way. So I am asking, > what to > > expect? I > > realize that I need to write a birth plan, or contract I > guess. But > > what kind of reaction should I expect from my OB/ GYN who is > > also my > > daughters family practice doctor? How should I be prepared to deal > > with the different reactions that may occur? I found a > 'refusal of > > recommended vaccines' form online, and assume that is a good > > thing to > > have on hand when the time comes to face this. I was also > given > > a link > > that has lots of forms- one of which is a form that you can > ask a > > pushy doctor to sign for you stating that your child will not be > > harmed by vaccinations. I don't really know how effective this would > > be, especially considering that many docs won't admit that > there > > is a > > link between vaccines and many of the problems they can cause, > > but I'm > > doubting I could get anyone to sign it, that's for sure. SO, > if you > > have a personal experience with this type of situation, can > you help > > me to prepare myself? Thanks so much, > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 As far as doctors and other medical people go...just tell them you are waiting till she is older. That is how we approached it with out ped in Ca. He said well if you wait till she is two then she won't need most of them. Yes, that does work out nice then doesn't it:-) He also said that he had never seen a non vax child before and that it was so nice she wasn't afraid of him. He kept saying how he hardly ever saw her...yes she isn't sick like the other poor babies. I think he felt less threatened by us just delaying (as far as he knew). Then we just kept delaying...they seem to take that better than out and out saying no way to vaccines. She is now 9 years old and still vax free. I usually don't tell friends or parents of my daughter's friends unless I know they can handle it. About 75% of our friends and family have no idea we don't vaccinate. I don't think it is any of their business. Most of them had no idea she breast fed till 3 years old either. We just taught her a sign for milk...no one ever knew what she was saying. I think it is wonderful that some feel confident enough to be open about everything they are doing and help to educate others, but I don't like confrontation and if I don't think they could handle it, they don't need to know. We also had a home birth. I still went to my reg. doctor for checks like we would have if we were going to have a hospital birth, but we also had a midwife I was seeing. It was amazing to see the difference in my care comparing a doctor with a midwife. I really think my midwife would have found a problem long before my doctor would have. She had the time to give me her full attention and really make sure all my questions were answered. I would compare it to the service you get at a high end restaurant compared with fast food chain. No where near the same service. I just told most of our family and friends that my labor went so fast that I had the baby at home. I just said how lucky we were to have had a midwife to call that lived nearby to check on me before heading to the hospital...unfortunately we never made it to the hospital;-) ha ha! For some reason that went over so much better than telling them we had planned a home birth. It still ended the same but they could handle it better without being so judgmental. I was new at all of it and didn't want to have to deal with anything negative during such a wonderful experience. Just remember every choice you make as a parent will be second guessed by people. Better to do what you feel is right than to try to appease others. Good luck! Tonya **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2008 Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Welcome . If it's any comfort..... I adopted my child at birth (so no, I cannot share your experience as a carrier) but prior to his adoption, approximately 5 years before, I read up on childhool vaccines. I read the pros and I read the cons. I knew one day I'd have to make an educated decision either way. Every person has their own limits of what they consider a " risk " . Given my state laws, when my child was born, I allowed him to have the Hep B. (I bit my tongue). After that, he received no more when he was in my control. (albeit, this is another thread). At that time, I knew better but had no choice, unless, I wanted my miracle stripped from me. When I became more empowered to my rights and the law, that quickly changed. I will never advise what a person should or should not do for them or their child(ren). That's a personal choice left best to those involved. All I can say is please research, know your options, know your alternatives and know your instincts. Welcome aboard! Randi J. Airola, © 517-819-5926 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Hello, Yes, the Hep-B vaccine is known to trigger alopecia in rare cases. It's listed right on the package insert. There have been studies, published cases, etc. so this shouldn't come as a shock to your pediatrician. -- In Vaccinations , " mygerard04 " <mygerard04@...> wrote: > > Hi - > > I wanted to introduce myself and ask for some information. My son > Gerard who is 21 months has Alopecia Totalis. This is an auto- immune > disease that once triggered, causes an immune response that results > in rapid hair loss. My son's is quite severe with it effecting his > eyebrows as well as lashes. > > Now I suspect that his " trigger " was his 9 months vaccinations. He > developed a bald spot that grew back quite quickly. However, after > his 1 year more spots and then after his 18 months all his hair fell > out. Has anyone ever heard of vaccinations causing Alopecia? Of > course his Dr's don't seem to think its related. > > My real question is, do I as a parent have any rights in refuseing > any further vaccines. We live in Massachusetts and Im not sure what > the " Laws " are concerning this. > > Thanks for any advise. > > KAT > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 That's a great idea. I never really thought of that. I think with this kid as well we won't be taking the baby in to the doc every few weeks or months for 'well baby checks'. Just a money making scheme in my opinion. And a vaccine pushing thing. I'm glad I've learned to think for myself. ~ > > As far as doctors and other medical people go...just tell them you are > waiting till she is older. That is how we approached it with out ped in Ca. He > said well if you wait till she is two then she won't need most of them. Yes, > that does work out nice then doesn't it:-) He also said that he had never seen > a non vax child before and that it was so nice she wasn't afraid of him. He > kept saying how he hardly ever saw her...yes she isn't sick like the other > poor babies. I think he felt less threatened by us just delaying (as far as he > knew). Then we just kept delaying...they seem to take that better than out > and out saying no way to vaccines. She is now 9 years old and still vax free. > > I usually don't tell friends or parents of my daughter's friends unless I > know they can handle it. About 75% of our friends and family have no idea we > don't vaccinate. I don't think it is any of their business. Most of them had > no idea she breast fed till 3 years old either. We just taught her a sign > for milk...no one ever knew what she was saying. I think it is wonderful that > some feel confident enough to be open about everything they are doing and > help to educate others, but I don't like confrontation and if I don't think they > could handle it, they don't need to know. > > We also had a home birth. I still went to my reg. doctor for checks like we > would have if we were going to have a hospital birth, but we also had a > midwife I was seeing. It was amazing to see the difference in my care comparing > a doctor with a midwife. I really think my midwife would have found a > problem long before my doctor would have. She had the time to give me her full > attention and really make sure all my questions were answered. I would compare > it to the service you get at a high end restaurant compared with fast food > chain. No where near the same service. I just told most of our family and > friends that my labor went so fast that I had the baby at home. I just said > how lucky we were to have had a midwife to call that lived nearby to check on > me before heading to the hospital...unfortunately we never made it to the > hospital;-) ha ha! For some reason that went over so much better than telling > them we had planned a home birth. It still ended the same but they could > handle it better without being so judgmental. I was new at all of it and didn't > want to have to deal with anything negative during such a wonderful > experience. Just remember every choice you make as a parent will be second guessed by > people. Better to do what you feel is right than to try to appease others. > Good luck! > > Tonya > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 Thanks for the welcome. I am learning so much. The only things I haven't researched fully is the vitamin K shot and the nitrate eye stuff. But I still have lots of time to do so: ) I think I play off the undecided route: ) If he gets push then I'll just tell him absolutely not. If I have to change docs, then I just have to change. ~ > > Welcome . If it's any comfort..... I adopted my child at birth (so no, I cannot share your experience as a carrier) but prior to his adoption, approximately 5 years before, I read up on childhool vaccines. I read the pros and I read the cons. I knew one day I'd have to make an educated decision either way. Every person has their own limits of what they consider a " risk " . Given my state laws, when my child was born, I allowed him to have the Hep B. (I bit my tongue). After that, he received no more when he was in my control. (albeit, this is another thread). At that time, I knew better but had no choice, unless, I wanted my miracle stripped from me. When I became more empowered to my rights and the law, that quickly changed. > I will never advise what a person should or should not do for them or their child(ren). That's a personal choice left best to those involved. All I can say is please research, know your options, know your alternatives and know your instincts. > Welcome aboard! > > > > Randi J. Airola, © 517-819-5926 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2008 Report Share Posted April 18, 2008 I like that idea a lot. I will be having a hospital birth with a family doc because my insurance doesn't cover a midwife. Figures. I think I personally like the idea of a hospital more anyway. Just in case. I just hope no one tries to go all nazi on me for trying to do things my way. That's what a birth plan is for though I guess. Thanks so much for the input. ~ > > As far as doctors and other medical people go...just tell them you are > waiting till she is older. That is how we approached it with out ped in Ca. He > said well if you wait till she is two then she won't need most of them. Yes, > that does work out nice then doesn't it:-) He also said that he had never seen > a non vax child before and that it was so nice she wasn't afraid of him. He > kept saying how he hardly ever saw her...yes she isn't sick like the other > poor babies. I think he felt less threatened by us just delaying (as far as he > knew). Then we just kept delaying...they seem to take that better than out > and out saying no way to vaccines. She is now 9 years old and still vax free. > > I usually don't tell friends or parents of my daughter's friends unless I > know they can handle it. About 75% of our friends and family have no idea we > don't vaccinate. I don't think it is any of their business. Most of them had > no idea she breast fed till 3 years old either. We just taught her a sign > for milk...no one ever knew what she was saying. I think it is wonderful that > some feel confident enough to be open about everything they are doing and > help to educate others, but I don't like confrontation and if I don't think they > could handle it, they don't need to know. > > We also had a home birth. I still went to my reg. doctor for checks like we > would have if we were going to have a hospital birth, but we also had a > midwife I was seeing. It was amazing to see the difference in my care comparing > a doctor with a midwife. I really think my midwife would have found a > problem long before my doctor would have. She had the time to give me her full > attention and really make sure all my questions were answered. I would compare > it to the service you get at a high end restaurant compared with fast food > chain. No where near the same service. I just told most of our family and > friends that my labor went so fast that I had the baby at home. I just said > how lucky we were to have had a midwife to call that lived nearby to check on > me before heading to the hospital...unfortunately we never made it to the > hospital;-) ha ha! For some reason that went over so much better than telling > them we had planned a home birth. It still ended the same but they could > handle it better without being so judgmental. I was new at all of it and didn't > want to have to deal with anything negative during such a wonderful > experience. Just remember every choice you make as a parent will be second guessed by > people. Better to do what you feel is right than to try to appease others. > Good luck! > > Tonya > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 I think I got the address right now... Note: forwarded message attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2008 Report Share Posted August 9, 2008 Hi , the lesson here to all is keep the sprouts cool. Two things that you can do. Make a chart out of a calendar and put big XXX Am and PM to remind yourself that you have rinsed. Put the chart on the refrigerator door so you won't for get to look at it. Second, get a machine that doesn't require daily rinsing. Broccoli sprouts have been proven to greatly benefit your health. Keep on sprouting! No reason that you can't cream the sprouts. Just make sure you get all of the juice. ew new here Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:45:46 -0000 Hi. I am new here. Years ago i used to sprout alfalfa seed, 1/3 cup seed, let sit a few hours in water, then rinse out top floating stuff, then put in gallon glass bottle with big opening. put cheesecloth over top, held with rubber band. rinse morning and evening. letting set upside down on an angle to let rinsde water drain out. after about 5 days, put in sun for another couple of days. gallon jar is full. then rinse off seed hulls as much as i can, and eat. but often the sprouts rot instead of sprouting properly, especially in summer. but now i have hardly any teeth, so cannot chew it. and i do not remember things from day to day, so i cannot remember to rinse. so it is a very long time since i sprouted anything. Is there an easy way, especially so if i do not remember anything, they will not rot on me? And any suggestions for how to eat without very many teeth? i do have a regular juicer, and a twin screw juicer and a vitamix blender. shall i simply pour it into the vitamix and cream it? i have been wondering if sprouts could improve my health, which is very poor. could it help so that i do not keep passing out when under any kind of stress? (yes, i see lots of docs and hospitals!) and i am wondering about the nutritional benefit of sprouting various fruit seeds, such as blueberry or papaya, and if that is feasable, where to buy the seeds. my brother who lives in kenya told me that papaya seeds are used there for intestinal worms. and i know blueberry is related to billberry which is used for eye ailments by herbalists. any suggstions are appreciated! thank you! Sunshine makes the flowers dance. Anon. -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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