Health Care Reform

[Guest guest]

Where is that printed?

Can we get a copy?

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: joe medlin <spinetree@...>

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:16:17 -0700

'' < >, Kehr <jkehr@...>

Subject: Re: Health Care Reform

Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country.

ph Medlin D.C.

Spine Tree Chiropractic

1607 NE Alberta St

PDX, OR 97211

503-788-6800

[From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform

Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.

Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.

First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!

Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.

Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.

Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.

So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.

We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.

Of course.

The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.

Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY!

They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.

We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care.

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com

[Guest guest]

Where is that printed?

Can we get a copy?

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

From: joe medlin <spinetree@...>

Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:16:17 -0700

'' < >, Kehr <jkehr@...>

Subject: Re: Health Care Reform

Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country.

ph Medlin D.C.

Spine Tree Chiropractic

1607 NE Alberta St

PDX, OR 97211

503-788-6800

[From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform

Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.

Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.

First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!

Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.

Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.

Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.

So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.

We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.

Of course.

The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.

Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY!

They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.

We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care.

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com

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It's printed in the heart of every American. We don't stand by and watch a fellow American suffer. We instill institutions to prevent such suffering. Wellfare and public education are examples. Health Care is next. There is a certain base level of Health Care that is a right and this is understood by most americans who's hearts precede their pocket books.

ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800

[From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

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Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country.

Now...if someone could only figure out a way to control these things (perhaps, health care based on chemicals that alter symptoms WITHOUT curing the cause; chemical laced foods that create MORE health problems; and then a massive "public education" campaign--perhaps in the form of television commercials--to engrain this thinking in ALL Americans) they could literally control all BASIC HUMAN BEHAVIOR (and take away their "rights")!!!

NAAAAHHH...nobody would ever be THAT frickin' devious! (:-)

M. s, D.C.

Health Care Reform

Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

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[Guest guest]

Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country.

Now...if someone could only figure out a way to control these things (perhaps, health care based on chemicals that alter symptoms WITHOUT curing the cause; chemical laced foods that create MORE health problems; and then a massive "public education" campaign--perhaps in the form of television commercials--to engrain this thinking in ALL Americans) they could literally control all BASIC HUMAN BEHAVIOR (and take away their "rights")!!!

NAAAAHHH...nobody would ever be THAT frickin' devious! (:-)

M. s, D.C.

Health Care Reform

Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

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You must not have drank your morning cool aid. I will alert the authorities that some one is thinking in sector11. Someone will be there soon to give you some cool aid talk you down. ;)Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic CenterPDXFrom: " M. s, D.C." <drbobdc83@...>

< >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:42:51 AMSubject: Re: Health Care Reform

Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country.

Now...if someone could only figure out a way to control these things (perhaps, health care based on chemicals that alter symptoms WITHOUT curing the cause; chemical laced foods that create MORE health problems; and then a massive "public education" campaign--perhaps in the form of television commercials- -to engrain this thinking in ALL Americans) they could literally control all BASIC HUMAN BEHAVIOR (and take away their "rights")!!!

NAAAAHHH...nobody would ever be THAT frickin' devious! (:-)

M. s, D.C.

Health Care Reform

Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second Street Lake Oswego , OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswe gochiro.com

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You must not have drank your morning cool aid. I will alert the authorities that some one is thinking in sector11. Someone will be there soon to give you some cool aid talk you down. ;)Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic CenterPDXFrom: " M. s, D.C." <drbobdc83@...>

< >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:42:51 AMSubject: Re: Health Care Reform

Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country.

Now...if someone could only figure out a way to control these things (perhaps, health care based on chemicals that alter symptoms WITHOUT curing the cause; chemical laced foods that create MORE health problems; and then a massive "public education" campaign--perhaps in the form of television commercials- -to engrain this thinking in ALL Americans) they could literally control all BASIC HUMAN BEHAVIOR (and take away their "rights")!!!

NAAAAHHH...nobody would ever be THAT frickin' devious! (:-)

M. s, D.C.

Health Care Reform

Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second Street Lake Oswego , OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswe gochiro.com

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I knew posting that I would not gain the agreement

of all of you. I agree that we are generous as a society. I love to

help people in need by choice. I have a certain percentage of my practice

that is probono by choice. Don’t ever take my words to mean that I

lack compassion. The more money I earn, and I say earn, the more I have

the ability to give. Please stop trying to force us to agree with

you. You wish to have a socialist country, I do not.

Let us smash this topic and get back to

chiropractic. I hope we can agree on that subject.

Kehr

From: joe medlin

[mailto:spinetree@...]

Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:28

AM

''; Kehr;

Abrahamson

Subject: Re:

Health Care Reform

It's printed in the heart of every American. We don't stand by and

watch a fellow American suffer. We instill institutions to prevent such

suffering. Wellfare and public education are examples. Health Care is

next. There is a certain base level of Health Care that is a right and

this is understood by most americans who's hearts precede their pocket books.

ph Medlin D.C.

Spine Tree Chiropractic

1607 NE Alberta St

PDX, OR 97211

503-788-6800

[From

OregonDCs] Health Care Reform

Unlike projects in your home and business, congress

is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.

Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not

figured out how to pay for it.

First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they

found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!

Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from

charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not

accepted.

Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay

for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.

Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on

how to implement it. Much more fun.

So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite

clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great

it is going to work.

We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we

think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.

Of course.

The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one

reading it.

Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be

understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they

said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY!

They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we

need to engage people in the debate.

We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold

your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national

health care.

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego

Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

Email message sent

from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com

[Guest guest]

I knew posting that I would not gain the agreement

of all of you. I agree that we are generous as a society. I love to

help people in need by choice. I have a certain percentage of my practice

that is probono by choice. Don’t ever take my words to mean that I

lack compassion. The more money I earn, and I say earn, the more I have

the ability to give. Please stop trying to force us to agree with

you. You wish to have a socialist country, I do not.

Let us smash this topic and get back to

chiropractic. I hope we can agree on that subject.

Kehr

From: joe medlin

[mailto:spinetree@...]

Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:28

AM

''; Kehr;

Abrahamson

Subject: Re:

Health Care Reform

It's printed in the heart of every American. We don't stand by and

watch a fellow American suffer. We instill institutions to prevent such

suffering. Wellfare and public education are examples. Health Care is

next. There is a certain base level of Health Care that is a right and

this is understood by most americans who's hearts precede their pocket books.

ph Medlin D.C.

Spine Tree Chiropractic

1607 NE Alberta St

PDX, OR 97211

503-788-6800

[From

OregonDCs] Health Care Reform

Unlike projects in your home and business, congress

is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.

Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not

figured out how to pay for it.

First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they

found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!

Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from

charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not

accepted.

Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay

for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.

Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on

how to implement it. Much more fun.

So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite

clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great

it is going to work.

We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we

think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.

Of course.

The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one

reading it.

Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be

understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they

said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY!

They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we

need to engage people in the debate.

We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold

your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national

health care.

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego

Chiropractic Clinic

315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

Email message sent

from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com

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Nobody's forcing you to agree with anything.

It's not socialism.

You don't have the luxury to determine the amount of your taxes.

ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800

[From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

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[Guest guest]

Nobody's forcing you to agree with anything.

It's not socialism.

You don't have the luxury to determine the amount of your taxes.

ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800

[From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com

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The Capital Insider, sent out the Arc and Cerebal Palsy Federation. It is not a

perfect plan, but a step in the right direction and one that will help the

disabled. 

From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net>

Subject: Fw: Fwd: A Proposal worth considering

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 5:23 PM

 

Here is another interesting solution...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net

FW: Fwd: A Proposal worth considering

" The Proposal "

When a company falls on difficult times, one of the things that seems to happen

is they reduce their staff and workers. The remaining workers must find ways to

continue to do a good job or risk that their job would be eliminated as well.

Wall street and the media normally congratulate the CEO for making this type of

" tough decision " , and the board of directors gives upper corporate management

big bonuses..

Our government should not be immune from similar risks.

Therefore:

Reduce the House of Representatives from the current 435 members to 218 members.

Reduce Senate members from 100 to 50 (one per State). Then, reduce their

remaining staff by 25%.

Accomplish this over the next 8 years (two steps/two elections) and of course

this would require some redistricting.

Some Yearly Monetary Gains Include:

$44,108,400 for elimination of base pay for congress. (267 members X $165,200

pay/member/ yr.)

$437,100,000 for elimination of their staff. (estimate $1..3 Million in staff

per each member of the House, and $3 Million in staff per each member of the

Senate every year)

$108,350,000 for the reduction in remaining staff by 25%.

$7,500,000,000 reduction in pork barrel earmarks each year. (those members whose

jobs are gone. Current estimates for total government pork earmarks are at $15

Billion/yr).

The remaining representatives would need to work smarter and improve

efficiencies. It might even be in their best interests to work together for the

good of our country!

We may also expect that smaller committees might lead to a more efficient

resolution of issues as well. It might even be easier to keep track of what your

representative is doing.

Congress has more tools available to do their jobs than it had back in 1911 when

the current number of representatives was established. (telephone, computers,

cell phones to name a few)

Note:

Congress does not hesitate to head home for extended weekends, holidays and

recesses, when what the nation needs is a real fix for economic problems. Also,

we had 3 senators that were not doing their jobs for the 18+ months (on the

campaign trail) and still they all accepted full pay. Minnesota survived very

well with only one senator for the first half of this year. These facts alone

support a reduction in senators and congress.

Summary of opportunity:

$44,108,400 reduction of congress members.

$282,100, 000 for elimination of the reduced house member staff.

$150,000,000 for elimination of reduced senate member staff.

$70,850,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining house members.

$37,500,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining senate members.

$7,500,000,000 reduction in pork added to bills by the reduction of congress

members.

$8,084,558,400 per year, estimated total savings. (that's 8-BILLION just to

start!)

Corporate America does these types of cuts all the time.

There's even a name for it. " Downsizing. "

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Also, if Congresspersons were required to serve 20, 25 or 30 years (like

everyone else) in order to collect retirement benefits, taxpayers could save a

bundle.

Now they get full retirement after serving only ONE term.

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IF you are happy with how Washington spends our taxes, delete this message.

Otherwise, it's time to " downsize " Congress.

[Guest guest]

Any one who is interested if finding our more about Health Care Reform can read

The Capital Insider, sent out the Arc and Cerebal Palsy Federation. It is not a

perfect plan, but a step in the right direction and one that will help the

disabled. 

From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net>

Subject: Fw: Fwd: A Proposal worth considering

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 5:23 PM

 

Here is another interesting solution...

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net

FW: Fwd: A Proposal worth considering

" The Proposal "

When a company falls on difficult times, one of the things that seems to happen

is they reduce their staff and workers. The remaining workers must find ways to

continue to do a good job or risk that their job would be eliminated as well.

Wall street and the media normally congratulate the CEO for making this type of

" tough decision " , and the board of directors gives upper corporate management

big bonuses..

Our government should not be immune from similar risks.

Therefore:

Reduce the House of Representatives from the current 435 members to 218 members.

Reduce Senate members from 100 to 50 (one per State). Then, reduce their

remaining staff by 25%.

Accomplish this over the next 8 years (two steps/two elections) and of course

this would require some redistricting.

Some Yearly Monetary Gains Include:

$44,108,400 for elimination of base pay for congress. (267 members X $165,200

pay/member/ yr.)

$437,100,000 for elimination of their staff. (estimate $1..3 Million in staff

per each member of the House, and $3 Million in staff per each member of the

Senate every year)

$108,350,000 for the reduction in remaining staff by 25%.

$7,500,000,000 reduction in pork barrel earmarks each year. (those members whose

jobs are gone. Current estimates for total government pork earmarks are at $15

Billion/yr).

The remaining representatives would need to work smarter and improve

efficiencies. It might even be in their best interests to work together for the

good of our country!

We may also expect that smaller committees might lead to a more efficient

resolution of issues as well. It might even be easier to keep track of what your

representative is doing.

Congress has more tools available to do their jobs than it had back in 1911 when

the current number of representatives was established. (telephone, computers,

cell phones to name a few)

Note:

Congress does not hesitate to head home for extended weekends, holidays and

recesses, when what the nation needs is a real fix for economic problems. Also,

we had 3 senators that were not doing their jobs for the 18+ months (on the

campaign trail) and still they all accepted full pay. Minnesota survived very

well with only one senator for the first half of this year. These facts alone

support a reduction in senators and congress.

Summary of opportunity:

$44,108,400 reduction of congress members.

$282,100, 000 for elimination of the reduced house member staff.

$150,000,000 for elimination of reduced senate member staff.

$70,850,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining house members.

$37,500,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining senate members.

$7,500,000,000 reduction in pork added to bills by the reduction of congress

members.

$8,084,558,400 per year, estimated total savings. (that's 8-BILLION just to

start!)

Corporate America does these types of cuts all the time.

There's even a name for it. " Downsizing. "

------------ --------- ---------

Also, if Congresspersons were required to serve 20, 25 or 30 years (like

everyone else) in order to collect retirement benefits, taxpayers could save a

bundle.

Now they get full retirement after serving only ONE term.

------------ --------- --------- --------- -

IF you are happy with how Washington spends our taxes, delete this message.

Otherwise, it's time to " downsize " Congress.

[Guest guest]

Earlier today, Pam posted a list of the potential positive benefits of the

national health care bill. Here is the complete article...there is an

explanation of reconciliation and additional information. It is quite long,

just so you know.

Ellen

Issue # 7 : March 16, 2010

What is Happening with Health Care Reform?

Quite a lot. After more than a month long hiatus, health care reform has

returned full force. Reform efforts had come to a virtual standstill

following the special election of Brown (R-MA) on January 19 to fill the

seat of the late Senator Ted Kennedy. The election of Republican Brown

eliminated the Democrats' 60 vote super majority needed to stop a

_filibuster_

(http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://capwiz.com/thearc/u\

tr/1/DUAFLXVAJN/CARULXVFVQ/4579267586 & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=54280

9) of health care reform legislation in the Senate.

At the end of February, President Obama began his final push to secure

enactment of comprehensive health reform legislation. He urged Congress to

schedule a vote on his proposal, which includes the Senate bill that was

passed on Christmas Eve as well as some Republican proposals. The Senate's

bill includes many provisions that would greatly benefit people with

intellectual and developmental disabilities (discussed below).

The next several days will make or break health care reform. As of today,

the likely steps are as follows:

1. Late this week, the House will vote to simultaneously approve a

reconciliation bill which includes fixes to the Senate bill and " deem " the

Senate

bill to be passed. Some members want to use the " deem and pass " process

to avoid having their votes on the " unfixed " Senate bill used against

them in the midterm elections.

2. If the House approves a reconciliation bill and " deems " the Senate

bill to be passed, then the Senate will debate and vote on the reconciliation

bill.

3. If the Senate passes the reconciliation bill, then President Obama will

sign it into law.

What is Reconciliation?

" Reconciliation " is the shorthand term for budget reconciliation. The

budget reconciliation process was created in 1974 and established many of the

modern rules that Congress follows to pass the annual budget.

Congress begins by passing a budget resolution every year that serves as a

blue print for federal spending. The budget resolution provides the total

amounts for large programs (e.g., national defense, agriculture, and Social

Security). The various Congressional appropriations committees then work

with these totals to decide how to divide up the funding among the

subprograms (e.g., vocational rehabilitation, section 811 housing) and write

their

specific parts of the annual budget bill.

The reconciliation process is used to bring entitlement programs (e.g.,

Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security) into line (i.e. reconcile) with the

budget resolution.

Why is Reconciliation so Important for Health Care Reform?

Within these budget resolutions, instructions can be given to specific

Congressional committees to create legislation that would alter current laws

affecting spending and/or taxation in order to conform to the targets set

out in the budget resolution. (Health care reform would certainly affect

spending and/or taxation).

The reconciliation process has different rules regarding amendments and

debate in the Senate as outlined below:

Normal Rules

Reconciliation Process

Unrelated amendments

may be added to a bill

may NOT be added to a bill

Amount of debate allowed

Endless unless 60 votes to end debate are attained

Endless unless 51 votes to end debate are attained

The bottom line is that the reconciliation process would make it much

easier to get health care reform legislation passed in the Senate. It would

disallow unrelated amendments and would take fewer votes to stop debate.

So What is the Problem Then?

There are four main challenges right now:

Controversial Mechanism. Republicans and some Democrats alike have

objected when legislation they opposed has passed through the reconciliation

process. (Reconciliation has been used in the past for 22 bills, of which _19

bills were signed into law by the President_

(http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://www.brookings.edu/~\

/media/Files/rc/articles/2

009/0420_budget_mann/0420_budget_mann.pdf & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=542809)

..) Some conservatives claim that health reform is about more than federal

spending, that it is a fundamental overhaul of the nation's health system.

They argue that the reconciliation process was only intended to be used

for legislation directly related to meeting budget resolution spending and

revenue goals. Democrats have countered that reconciliation is an

appropriate mechanism in light of the unanimous opposition by Republicans to

health

care reform.

Partisanship. At present, not a single Republican has offered to support

the President's plan as they prefer an incremental approach. From the

disability community's perspective, incrementalism in health reform will not

work because all of the critical insurance market reforms (e.g. eliminating

pre-existing condition clauses) which are among the community's highest

priorities, can only be achieved through a universal mandate. Without such a

mandate, premiums for everyone who currently has health coverage would

skyrocket. Republicans oppose the universal mandate. President Obama, many

Senate Democrats, and health reform stakeholders sought Republican support

for comprehensive reform throughout the yearlong process. In addition,

policy makers agree that given that the health care reform bill will be

implemented over a number of years by the Secretary of the Department of Health

and

Human Services (HHS), who is appointed by the President, it would be far

better to have bi-partisan support in the event of a Republican winning the

presidency in 2012.

Division among Democrats. Senate and House majority _whips_

(http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://www.senate.gov/refe\

rence/glos

sary_term/whips.htm & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=542809) are furiously

working to get as many Democrats to vote for the Senate bill as possible.

Several Democrats have not stated their positions or are considering not

supporting the President's plan over concerns about the lack of a public option

and

provisions on immigration and abortion. In the House, the Democrats can

only afford to lose 37 votes to get the bill passed, and, according to one

press report, as of March 15, there are 36 House members who have stated that

they will vote no or have not stated their position. Meanwhile in the

Senate, leaders are working to get assurances from 51 Senate Democrats that

they will vote for the reconciliation bill. House Speaker Pelosi needs these

specific assurances to ease the concerns of wavering members of the

Democratic caucus who fear voting for the Senate bill will hurt them in the

upcoming midterm elections because it includes provisions which give special

treatment to specific states. Most of those provisions will be removed in the

reconciliation bill.

Budget Estimate. Late last week the Congressional Budget Office (CBO)

lowered the projected savings for the Senate health reform bill.

Republicans say the new estimate means that the health care reform legislation

will

either raise the deficit or the government will have to " raid " the Social

Security Trust Fund and the CLASS Independence Fund to pay for part of

reform. CBO now figures the bill would reduce the deficit by $118 billion over

10 years, down from the earlier $132 billion in estimated savings. But the

new savings estimate is less than the $122.2 billion that is supposed to

come from Social Security and the Community Living Assistance Services and

Supports Act. (The CLASS Act is supposed to generate $70.2 billion in

revenue, and health reform is supposed to increase the surplus in the Social

Security Trust Fund by $52 billion.) " Thus the bill either 'raids' the Social

Security Trust Fund or the new CLASS Independence Fund for revenues to spend

on a massive new health care program , " an e-mail from the Republican

Policy Committee states. However, money from those two programs is not supposed

to pay for other parts of the bill. " The additional surplus in the Social

Security Trust Fund generated by this Act should be reserved for Social

Security and not spent in this Act for other purposes, " section 1563 (page

392) of the bill states, and " the net savings generated by the CLASS program

should be reserved for the CLASS program and not spent in this Act for other

purposes. "

What is in the Senate Bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

(H.R. 3590)?

Among other things, the Senate bill would:

1) establish a mandate for most residents of the United States to obtain

health insurance;

2) set up insurance exchanges through which certain individuals and

families could receive federal subsidies to substantially reduce the cost of

purchasing that coverage;

3) significantly expand eligibility for Medicaid with substantial federal

financial support;

4) impose an excise tax on insurance plans with relatively high premiums;

and

5) make various other changes to the federal tax code, Medicare, Medicaid,

and other programs.

What are the Provisions that are Most Important for People with

Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities?

Coverage

· Prohibiting private health insurance exclusions for pre-existing

conditions.

· Eliminating annual and lifetime caps in private insurance

policies;

· Restricting the consideration of health status in setting

premiums.

· Expanding Medicaid to cover individuals with incomes up to 133

percent of the federal poverty line (approximately $29,000 per year for a

family of four).

Benefits

· Ensuring that minimum covered benefits include products and

services that enable people with disabilities to maintain and improve function,

such as rehabilitation and habilitation services and devices.

Access to Quality Care

· Improving training of physicians, dentists, and allied health

professionals on how to treat persons with disabilities.

· Requiring the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to

collect data on beneficiaries with disabilities access to primary care services

and the level to which primary care service providers have been trained on

disability issues. Ensuring prevention programs include a focus on

individuals with disabilities.

Long Term Services and Supports

* Increasing the federal share of Medicaid, known as the Federal

Medical Assistance Percentage (or FMAP), for home and community based services

(HCBS) and during periods of economic downturn.

* Allowing states to offer additional services under the 1915(i)

Medicaid HCBS Waivers State Plan Option.

* Provide spousal impoverishment protections for HCBS Beneficiaries.

* Strengthening long-term services and supports through a two

pronged approach:

1) Taking pressure off of the Medicaid program

The Community Living Assistance Services and Supports (CLASS) Act would

create a national long term services insurance program which assists

eligible individuals and their families to meet long term needs with a cash

benefit and without forcing them into poverty to receive Medicaid benefits.

2) Improving the Medicaid program:

The Community First Choice Option would help to eliminate the

institutional bias by encouraging state states to cover personal attendant

services

under the state's optional service plan instead of through the waiver system

by offering a 6% increase in the federal share of Medicaid for these

services.

What Next?

We can expect action in both House this week. Already there are extremely

heated debates among the grassroots, with some conservative activists

charging that the plan is socialist and liberals claiming that the bill is a

sell out to the insurance industry since there is no public option. Large

interest groups have spent over $20 million this month alone lobbying for and

against health care reform.

Very soon we will be asking chapters of The Arc and Affiliates of UCP to

take action to support the president's plan. The opposition is already very

vocal. We must personally get involved to make sure that health care

reform for ALL becomes a reality.

The Disability Policy Collaboration

1660 L Street, NW, Suite 701

Washington, DC 20036

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[Guest guest]

Earlier today, Pam posted a list of the potential positive benefits of the

national health care bill. Here is the complete article...there is an

explanation of reconciliation and additional information. It is quite long,

just so you know.

Ellen

Issue # 7 : March 16, 2010

What is Happening with Health Care Reform?

Quite a lot. After more than a month long hiatus, health care reform has

returned full force. Reform efforts had come to a virtual standstill

following the special election of Brown (R-MA) on January 19 to fill the

seat of the late Senator Ted Kennedy. The election of Republican Brown

eliminated the Democrats' 60 vote super majority needed to stop a

_filibuster_

(http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://capwiz.com/thearc/u\

tr/1/DUAFLXVAJN/CARULXVFVQ/4579267586 & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=54280

9) of health care reform legislation in the Senate.

At the end of February, President Obama began his final push to secure

enactment of comprehensive health reform legislation. He urged Congress to

schedule a vote on his proposal, which includes the Senate bill that was

passed on Christmas Eve as well as some Republican proposals. The Senate's

bill includes many provisions that would greatly benefit people with

intellectual and developmental disabilities (discussed below).

The next several days will make or break health care reform. As of today,

the likely steps are as follows:

1. Late this week, the House will vote to simultaneously approve a

reconciliation bill which includes fixes to the Senate bill and " deem " the

Senate

bill to be passed. Some members want to use the " deem and pass " process

to avoid having their votes on the " unfixed " Senate bill used against

them in the midterm elections.

2. If the House approves a reconciliation bill and " deems " the Senate

bill to be passed, then the Senate will debate and vote on the reconciliation

bill.

3. If the Senate passes the reconciliation bill, then President Obama will

sign it into law.

What is Reconciliation?

" Reconciliation " is the shorthand term for budget reconciliation. The

budget reconciliation process was created in 1974 and established many of the

modern rules that Congress follows to pass the annual budget.

Congress begins by passing a budget resolution every year that serves as a

blue print for federal spending. The budget resolution provides the total

amounts for large programs (e.g., national defense, agriculture, and Social

Security). The various Congressional appropriations committees then work

with these totals to decide how to divide up the funding among the

subprograms (e.g., vocational rehabilitation, section 811 housing) and write

their

specific parts of the annual budget bill.

The reconciliation process is used to bring entitlement programs (e.g.,

Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security) into line (i.e. reconcile) with the

budget resolution.

Why is Reconciliation so Important for Health Care Reform?

Within these budget resolutions, instructions can be given to specific

Congressional committees to create legislation that would alter current laws

affecting spending and/or taxation in order to conform to the targets set

out in the budget resolution. (Health care reform would certainly affect

spending and/or taxation).

The reconciliation process has different rules regarding amendments and

debate in the Senate as outlined below:

Normal Rules

Reconciliation Process

Unrelated amendments

may be added to a bill

may NOT be added to a bill

Amount of debate allowed

Endless unless 60 votes to end debate are attained

Endless unless 51 votes to end debate are attained

The bottom line is that the reconciliation process would make it much

easier to get health care reform legislation passed in the Senate. It would

disallow unrelated amendments and would take fewer votes to stop debate.

So What is the Problem Then?

There are four main challenges right now:

Controversial Mechanism. Republicans and some Democrats alike have

objected when legislation they opposed has passed through the reconciliation

process. (Reconciliation has been used in the past for 22 bills, of which _19

bills were signed into law by the President_

(http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://www.brookings.edu/~\

/media/Files/rc/articles/2

009/0420_budget_mann/0420_budget_mann.pdf & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=542809)

..) Some conservatives claim that health reform is about more than federal

spending, that it is a fundamental overhaul of the nation's health system.

They argue that the reconciliation process was only intended to be used

for legislation directly related to meeting budget resolution spending and

revenue goals. Democrats have countered that reconciliation is an

appropriate mechanism in light of the unanimous opposition by Republicans to

health

care reform.

Partisanship. At present, not a single Republican has offered to support

the President's plan as they prefer an incremental approach. From the

disability community's perspective, incrementalism in health reform will not

work because all of the critical insurance market reforms (e.g. eliminating

pre-existing condition clauses) which are among the community's highest

priorities, can only be achieved through a universal mandate. Without such a

mandate, premiums for everyone who currently has health coverage would

skyrocket. Republicans oppose the universal mandate. President Obama, many

Senate Democrats, and health reform stakeholders sought Republican support

for comprehensive reform throughout the yearlong process. In addition,

policy makers agree that given that the health care reform bill will be

implemented over a number of years by the Secretary of the Department of Health

and

Human Services (HHS), who is appointed by the President, it would be far

better to have bi-partisan support in the event of a Republican winning the

presidency in 2012.

Division among Democrats. Senate and House majority _whips_

(http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://www.senate.gov/refe\

rence/glos

sary_term/whips.htm & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=542809) are furiously

working to get as many Democrats to vote for the Senate bill as possible.

Several Democrats have not stated their positions or are considering not

supporting the President's plan over concerns about the lack of a public option

and

provisions on immigration and abortion. In the House, the Democrats can

only afford to lose 37 votes to get the bill passed, and, according to one

press report, as of March 15, there are 36 House members who have stated that

they will vote no or have not stated their position. Meanwhile in the

Senate, leaders are working to get assurances from 51 Senate Democrats that

they will vote for the reconciliation bill. House Speaker Pelosi needs these

specific assurances to ease the concerns of wavering members of the

Democratic caucus who fear voting for the Senate bill will hurt them in the

upcoming midterm elections because it includes provisions which give special

treatment to specific states. Most of those provisions will be removed in the

reconciliation bill.

Budget Estimate. Late last week the Congressional Budget Office (CBO)

lowered the projected savings for the Senate health reform bill.

Republicans say the new estimate means that the health care reform legislation

will

either raise the deficit or the government will have to " raid " the Social

Security Trust Fund and the CLASS Independence Fund to pay for part of

reform. CBO now figures the bill would reduce the deficit by $118 billion over

10 years, down from the earlier $132 billion in estimated savings. But the

new savings estimate is less than the $122.2 billion that is supposed to

come from Social Security and the Community Living Assistance Services and

Supports Act. (The CLASS Act is supposed to generate $70.2 billion in

revenue, and health reform is supposed to increase the surplus in the Social

Security Trust Fund by $52 billion.) " Thus the bill either 'raids' the Social

Security Trust Fund or the new CLASS Independence Fund for revenues to spend

on a massive new health care program , " an e-mail from the Republican

Policy Committee states. However, money from those two programs is not supposed

to pay for other parts of the bill. " The additional surplus in the Social

Security Trust Fund generated by this Act should be reserved for Social

Security and not spent in this Act for other purposes, " section 1563 (page

392) of the bill states, and " the net savings generated by the CLASS program

should be reserved for the CLASS program and not spent in this Act for other

purposes. "

What is in the Senate Bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

(H.R. 3590)?

Among other things, the Senate bill would:

1) establish a mandate for most residents of the United States to obtain

health insurance;

2) set up insurance exchanges through which certain individuals and

families could receive federal subsidies to substantially reduce the cost of

purchasing that coverage;

3) significantly expand eligibility for Medicaid with substantial federal

financial support;

4) impose an excise tax on insurance plans with relatively high premiums;

and

5) make various other changes to the federal tax code, Medicare, Medicaid,

and other programs.

What are the Provisions that are Most Important for People with

Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities?

Coverage

· Prohibiting private health insurance exclusions for pre-existing

conditions.

· Eliminating annual and lifetime caps in private insurance

policies;

· Restricting the consideration of health status in setting

premiums.

· Expanding Medicaid to cover individuals with incomes up to 133

percent of the federal poverty line (approximately $29,000 per year for a

family of four).

Benefits

· Ensuring that minimum covered benefits include products and

services that enable people with disabilities to maintain and improve function,

such as rehabilitation and habilitation services and devices.

Access to Quality Care

· Improving training of physicians, dentists, and allied health

professionals on how to treat persons with disabilities.

· Requiring the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to

collect data on beneficiaries with disabilities access to primary care services

and the level to which primary care service providers have been trained on

disability issues. Ensuring prevention programs include a focus on

individuals with disabilities.

Long Term Services and Supports

* Increasing the federal share of Medicaid, known as the Federal

Medical Assistance Percentage (or FMAP), for home and community based services

(HCBS) and during periods of economic downturn.

* Allowing states to offer additional services under the 1915(i)

Medicaid HCBS Waivers State Plan Option.

* Provide spousal impoverishment protections for HCBS Beneficiaries.

* Strengthening long-term services and supports through a two

pronged approach:

1) Taking pressure off of the Medicaid program

The Community Living Assistance Services and Supports (CLASS) Act would

create a national long term services insurance program which assists

eligible individuals and their families to meet long term needs with a cash

benefit and without forcing them into poverty to receive Medicaid benefits.

2) Improving the Medicaid program:

The Community First Choice Option would help to eliminate the

institutional bias by encouraging state states to cover personal attendant

services

under the state's optional service plan instead of through the waiver system

by offering a 6% increase in the federal share of Medicaid for these

services.

What Next?

We can expect action in both House this week. Already there are extremely

heated debates among the grassroots, with some conservative activists

charging that the plan is socialist and liberals claiming that the bill is a

sell out to the insurance industry since there is no public option. Large

interest groups have spent over $20 million this month alone lobbying for and

against health care reform.

Very soon we will be asking chapters of The Arc and Affiliates of UCP to

take action to support the president's plan. The opposition is already very

vocal. We must personally get involved to make sure that health care

reform for ALL becomes a reality.

The Disability Policy Collaboration

1660 L Street, NW, Suite 701

Washington, DC 20036

_Privacy Policy_

(http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=187 & srctid=1 & erid=542809) |

_Subscriptions_

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[Guest guest]

Thank You Father, I did know that, but what I am incredulous about, is how it can be just for our government, by issuing a mandate based on (as you say) a Planned Parenthood supporting Institute of Medicince, which not only increases funding for contraception and abortion, but in effect discourages the use of NFP through financial disincentives. I don't think most people realize that the preventative care mandate does NOT cover NFP. I think if they knew this, they would agree that this is ultimately unfair and unjust. I.O.M. cited no medical evidence that NFP doesnt work - they just decided not to include it in the preventative care mandate, while at the same time forcing employers to fund this. Those of us who practice NFP can now cite economic harm starting Aug 1st -- they are in

effect harming our businesses by arbitrarily deciding not to cover NFP, and encouraging patients to choose other methods of family planning for which they would not have a copay. This, to me, would at least be a starting point in another kind of lawsuit filed (for example with the Becket Foundation) from doctors or other providers that are being harmed from this unjust health care law. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL 32174

(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

"I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: gotomb <tom.bartolomeo@...>

Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 12:10 AM Subject: Re: Health Care Reform

,If you do not know, much of Affordable Care Law was written by Planned Parenthood, and they would clearly oppose NFP.Fr. Tom BartolomeoOn Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Trumble <kellymtrumble@...> wrote:

Thank you for sending. I just got my glorious letter from BCBS telling me all the new, great things that are covered (along w/ my $54/mo premium increase... Free??? Riiiight).

I did wonder if a silver lining was present under the "counseling for contraception" umbrella w/ regard to covering for NFP counseling... *sigh*. I agree w/ your suggestion of putting information together regarding the omission of NFP counseling. Such insult to injury under the guise of "improved" women's health.

God bless, Trumble, ARNP, FCPI, NFPMCISent from my iPhoneOn Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote:

Regarding the new Health Care Law, from what i understand from my private insurers (for the State of Florida), the preventative care mandate will cover the following services/procedures without a copay ("free"):

1. annual well woman's exams to include counselling for stds and domestic violence2. well pregnant woman's exams to include counselling for stds, tobacco and alcohol, gest diabetes, anemia

3. breast feeding support and lactation support and counselling up to 8 visits per delivery and 1 manual breat pump4. contraception and contraceptive counselling for all women with reproductive capacity to include:

a. barrier devices with a physician's prescription

obtained at pharmacies b. oral contraceptives c. implantable devices (IUDs) both implantation and removals

d. tubal ligations What is NOT covered:

1. counselling for NFP (Natural Family Planning) -- i cannot find out whether NFP for procreation

is covered2. reversals of vasectomies or tubals

If the group could find out more specifics of why NFP is not covered (beyond the reflex, common-sense theories), especially since the efficacy of NFP methods surpass barrier and some oral contraceptive estimates.

I also think that as a group we should write a response from our group drawing attention to this obvious ommission (of NFP) when it is clearly an efficacious, ethical, GREEN (ecological), inexpensive way to manage one's fertility. This could be a powerful illustration of how the radical feminist factions are controlling healthcare and that decisions are not being made in the best interests of the patient, but rather along harmful philosophical lines...

Blessings, Dr.

Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL 32174

(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

"I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

[Guest guest]

, My understanding is that Planned Parenthood derives its income from " free choice " people and abortion supporters. They are not open to the life of others, children, only their own as ironic and suicidal as that seems. Their definition of marriage as well is

contrary to nature and natural law, a disorder which has affected the thinking of too many for which society will suffer greatly if not now than later.  Our declining birth rate will strain, if not destroy, the dependence of generations of people to come. Many industrialized nations' populations are now diminishing so rapidly that they are destroying their future economies without understanding God's will

working its way through nature, his law, too.On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote:

 

Thank You Father, I did know that, but what I am incredulous about, is how it can be just for our government, by issuing a mandate based on (as you say) a Planned Parenthood supporting Institute of Medicince, which not only increases funding for contraception and abortion, but in effect discourages the use of NFP through financial disincentives. I don't think most people realize that the preventative care mandate does NOT cover NFP. I think if they knew this, they would agree that this is ultimately unfair and unjust.  I.O.M.  cited no medical evidence that NFP doesnt work - they just decided not to include it in the preventative care mandate, while at the same time forcing employers to fund this. Those of us who practice NFP  can now cite economic harm starting Aug 1st -- they are in

effect harming our businesses by arbitrarily deciding not to cover NFP, and encouraging patients to choose other methods of family planning for which they would not have a copay. This, to me, would at least be a starting point in another kind of lawsuit filed (for example with the Becket Foundation) from doctors or other providers that are being harmed from this unjust health care law. Blessings,

 Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL  32174

(386) 677-2018  fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

 

" I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

From: gotomb <tom.bartolomeo@...>

Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 12:10 AM Subject: Re: Health Care Reform

 

,If you do not know, much of Affordable Care Law was written by Planned Parenthood, and they would clearly oppose NFP.Fr. Tom BartolomeoOn Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Trumble <kellymtrumble@...> wrote:

 

Thank you for sending.  I just got my glorious letter from BCBS telling me all the new, great things that are covered (along w/ my $54/mo premium increase... Free??? Riiiight). 

I did wonder if a silver lining was present under the " counseling for contraception " umbrella w/ regard to covering for NFP counseling... *sigh*.  I agree w/ your suggestion of putting information together regarding the omission of NFP counseling.  Such insult to injury under the guise of " improved " women's health.

God bless, Trumble, ARNP, FCPI, NFPMCISent from my iPhoneOn Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote:

 

Regarding the new Health Care Law, from what i understand from my private insurers (for the State of Florida), the preventative care mandate will cover the following services/procedures without a copay ( " free " ):

1. annual well woman's exams to include counselling for stds and domestic violence2. well pregnant woman's exams to include counselling for stds, tobacco and alcohol, gest diabetes, anemia

3. breast feeding support and lactation support and counselling up to 8 visits per delivery and 1 manual breat pump4. contraception and contraceptive counselling for all women with reproductive capacity to include:

    a. barrier devices with a physician's prescription

obtained at pharmacies    b. oral contraceptives    c. implantable devices (IUDs) both implantation and removals

    d. tubal ligations What is NOT covered:

1. counselling for NFP (Natural Family Planning) -- i cannot find out whether NFP for procreation

is covered2. reversals of vasectomies or tubals 

 If the group could find out more specifics of why NFP is not covered (beyond the reflex, common-sense theories), especially since the efficacy of NFP methods surpass barrier and some oral contraceptive estimates. 

 I also think that as a group we should write a response from our group drawing attention to this obvious ommission (of NFP) when it is clearly an efficacious, ethical, GREEN (ecological), inexpensive way to manage one's fertility.  This could be a powerful illustration of how the radical feminist factions are controlling healthcare and that decisions are not being made in the best interests of the patient, but rather along harmful philosophical lines...

 Blessings, Dr.

Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL  32174

(386) 677-2018  fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

 

" I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

[Guest guest]

Totally agree! Witness "dying Europe", Italy's playgrounds inhabited by the elderly on benches feeding pigeons while the swings and slides remain empty. But, i am trying to plan my next steps to be proactive and not just apathetic. "The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men" (Plato). blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL 32174

(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

"I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: gotomb <tom.bartolomeo@...>

Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Health Care Reform

, My understanding is that Planned Parenthood derives its income from "free choice" people and abortion supporters. They are not open to the life of others, children, only their own as ironic and suicidal as that seems. Their definition of marriage as well is

contrary to nature and natural law, a disorder which has affected the thinking of too many for which society will suffer greatly if not now than later. Our declining birth rate will strain, if not destroy, the dependence of generations of people to come. Many industrialized nations' populations are now diminishing so rapidly that they are destroying their future economies without understanding God's will

working its way through nature, his law, too.On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote:

Thank You Father, I did know that, but what I am incredulous about, is how it can be just for our government, by issuing a mandate based on (as you say) a Planned Parenthood supporting Institute of Medicince, which not only increases funding for contraception and abortion, but in effect discourages the use of NFP through financial disincentives. I don't think most people realize that the preventative care mandate does NOT cover NFP. I think if they knew this, they would agree that this is ultimately unfair and unjust. I.O.M. cited no medical evidence that NFP doesnt work - they just decided not to include it in the preventative care mandate, while at the same time forcing employers to fund this. Those of us who practice NFP can now cite economic harm starting Aug 1st -- they are in

effect harming our businesses by arbitrarily deciding not to cover NFP, and encouraging patients to choose other methods of family planning for which they would not have a copay. This, to me, would at least be a starting point in another kind of lawsuit filed (for example with the Becket Foundation) from doctors or other providers that are being harmed from this unjust health care law. Blessings,

Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL 32174

(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

"I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

From: gotomb <tom.bartolomeo@...>

Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 12:10 AM Subject: Re: Health Care Reform

,If you do not know, much of Affordable Care Law was written by Planned Parenthood, and they would clearly oppose NFP.Fr. Tom BartolomeoOn Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Trumble <kellymtrumble@...> wrote:

Thank you for sending. I just got my glorious letter from BCBS telling me all the new, great things that are covered (along w/ my $54/mo premium increase... Free??? Riiiight).

I did wonder if a silver lining was present under the "counseling for contraception" umbrella w/ regard to covering for NFP counseling... *sigh*. I agree w/ your suggestion of putting information together regarding the omission of NFP counseling. Such insult to injury under the guise of "improved" women's health.

God bless, Trumble, ARNP, FCPI, NFPMCISent from my iPhoneOn Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote:

Regarding the new Health Care Law, from what i understand from my private insurers (for the State of Florida), the preventative care mandate will cover the following services/procedures without a copay ("free"):

1. annual well woman's exams to include counselling for stds and domestic violence2. well pregnant woman's exams to include counselling for stds, tobacco and alcohol, gest diabetes, anemia

3. breast feeding support and lactation support and counselling up to 8 visits per delivery and 1 manual breat pump4. contraception and contraceptive counselling for all women with reproductive capacity to include:

a. barrier devices with a physician's prescription

obtained at pharmacies b. oral contraceptives c. implantable devices (IUDs) both implantation and removals

d. tubal ligations What is NOT covered:

1. counselling for NFP (Natural Family Planning) -- i cannot find out whether NFP for procreation

is covered2. reversals of vasectomies or tubals

If the group could find out more specifics of why NFP is not covered (beyond the reflex, common-sense theories), especially since the efficacy of NFP methods surpass barrier and some oral contraceptive estimates.

I also think that as a group we should write a response from our group drawing attention to this obvious ommission (of NFP) when it is clearly an efficacious, ethical, GREEN (ecological), inexpensive way to manage one's fertility. This could be a powerful illustration of how the radical feminist factions are controlling healthcare and that decisions are not being made in the best interests of the patient, but rather along harmful philosophical lines...

Blessings, Dr.

Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A

Ormond Beach, FL 32174

(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

"I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

[Guest guest]

They limited themselves to modalities

approved by the FDA. Since NFP is not a drug or device, at does not come

under FDA jurisdiction. There are codes which several NFP providers use for insurance

reimbursement, I’m told they’re Z31. I don’t know if co-pay is involved,

several on this list may know.If there is I assume the mandate does not cover

it, so more grounds for a suit on the grounds of discrimination. Go for it!

Hanna Klaus, M.D.

Natural Family Planning Center of

Washington, D.C. Inc. and Teen STAR Program

4400 East West highway # 911

Bethesda, MD 20814-4510

301-897-9323

hannaklaus@...

http://www.teenstarprogram.org

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of gotomb

Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:04

AM

Subject: Re:

Health Care Reform

,

My understanding is that Planned Parenthood derives its income from " free

choice " people and abortion supporters.

They are not open to the life of others, children, only their own as

ironic and suicidal as that seems. Their definition of marriage as well is

contrary to nature and natural law, a disorder which has affected the

thinking of too many for which society will suffer greatly if not now than

later. Our declining birth rate will strain, if not destroy, the

dependence of generations of people to come. Many industrialized

nations' populations are now diminishing so rapidly that they

are destroying their future economies without understanding God's will

working its way through nature, his law, too.

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Bame

<rbamer2@...>

wrote:

Thank You Father, I did know that, but what I am incredulous about, is

how it can be just for our government, by issuing a mandate based on (as

you say) a Planned Parenthood supporting Institute of Medicince, which not only

increases funding for contraception and abortion, but in effect discourages the

use of NFP through financial disincentives. I don't think most people

realize that the preventative care mandate does NOT cover NFP. I think if they

knew this, they would agree that this is ultimately unfair and

unjust. I.O.M. cited no medical evidence that NFP doesnt work

- they just decided not to include it in the preventative care mandate, while

at the same time forcing employers to fund this. Those of us who practice

NFP can now cite economic harm starting Aug 1st -- they are in effect harming

our businesses by arbitrarily deciding not to cover NFP, and encouraging

patients to choose other methods of family planning for which they would not

have a copay. This, to me, would at least be a starting point in another kind

of lawsuit filed (for example with the Becket Foundation) from doctors or other

providers that are being harmed from this unjust health care law. Blessings,

Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette

NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd,

Ste 2A

Ormond Beach,

FL 32174

(386)

677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

" I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have

appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia "

(Cf. Jn 15:16,19)

From: gotomb <tom.bartolomeo@...>

Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 12:10

AM

Subject: Re:

Health Care Reform

,

If you do not know, much of Affordable Care Law was written by Planned

Parenthood, and they would clearly oppose NFP.

Fr. Tom Bartolomeo

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Trumble <kellymtrumble@...>

wrote:

Thank you for sending. I just got my glorious letter from BCBS

telling me all the new, great things that are covered (along w/ my $54/mo

premium increase... Free??? Riiiight).

I did wonder if a silver lining was present under the " counseling

for contraception " umbrella w/ regard to covering for NFP counseling...

*sigh*. I agree w/ your suggestion of putting information together

regarding the omission of NFP counseling. Such insult to injury under the

guise of " improved " women's health.

God bless,

Trumble, ARNP, FCPI, NFPMCI

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Bame

<rbamer2@...>

wrote:

Regarding the new Health Care Law, from what i understand from my

private insurers (for the State of Florida),

the preventative care mandate will cover the following services/procedures

without a copay ( " free " ):

1. annual well woman's exams to include counselling for stds and

domestic violence

2. well pregnant woman's exams to include counselling for stds, tobacco

and alcohol, gest diabetes, anemia

3. breast feeding support and lactation support and counselling up to 8

visits per delivery and 1 manual breat pump

4. contraception and contraceptive counselling for all women with reproductive

capacity to include:

a. barrier devices with a physician's

prescription obtained at pharmacies

b. oral contraceptives

c. implantable devices (IUDs) both implantation

and removals

d. tubal ligations

What is NOT covered:

1. counselling for NFP (Natural Family Planning) -- i cannot find out

whether NFP for procreation is covered

2. reversals of vasectomies or tubals

If the group could find out more specifics of why NFP is not covered

(beyond the reflex, common-sense theories), especially since the efficacy of

NFP methods surpass barrier and some oral contraceptive estimates.

I also think that as a group we should write a response from our group

drawing attention to this obvious ommission (of NFP) when it is clearly an

efficacious, ethical, GREEN (ecological), inexpensive way to manage one's

fertility. This could be a powerful illustration of how the radical

feminist factions are controlling healthcare and that decisions are not being

made in the best interests of the patient, but rather along harmful

philosophical lines...

Blessings,

Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette

NFP Instructor

Pecks Family Practice, PLC

1688 W Granada Blvd,

Ste 2A

Ormond Beach,

FL 32174

(386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777

" I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have

appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia "

(Cf. Jn 15:16,19)