Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Where is that printed? Can we get a copy? E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com From: joe medlin <spinetree@...> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:16:17 -0700 '' < >, Kehr <jkehr@...> Subject: Re: Health Care Reform Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1607 NE Alberta St PDX, OR 97211 503-788-6800 [From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it. Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it. First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH! Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted. Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think. Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun. So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work. We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better. Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it. Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate. We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Where is that printed? Can we get a copy? E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com From: joe medlin <spinetree@...> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:16:17 -0700 '' < >, Kehr <jkehr@...> Subject: Re: Health Care Reform Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1607 NE Alberta St PDX, OR 97211 503-788-6800 [From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it. Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it. First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH! Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted. Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think. Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun. So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work. We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better. Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it. Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate. We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 It's printed in the heart of every American. We don't stand by and watch a fellow American suffer. We instill institutions to prevent such suffering. Wellfare and public education are examples. Health Care is next. There is a certain base level of Health Care that is a right and this is understood by most americans who's hearts precede their pocket books. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800 [From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country. Now...if someone could only figure out a way to control these things (perhaps, health care based on chemicals that alter symptoms WITHOUT curing the cause; chemical laced foods that create MORE health problems; and then a massive "public education" campaign--perhaps in the form of television commercials--to engrain this thinking in ALL Americans) they could literally control all BASIC HUMAN BEHAVIOR (and take away their "rights")!!! NAAAAHHH...nobody would ever be THAT frickin' devious! (:-) M. s, D.C. Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country. Now...if someone could only figure out a way to control these things (perhaps, health care based on chemicals that alter symptoms WITHOUT curing the cause; chemical laced foods that create MORE health problems; and then a massive "public education" campaign--perhaps in the form of television commercials--to engrain this thinking in ALL Americans) they could literally control all BASIC HUMAN BEHAVIOR (and take away their "rights")!!! NAAAAHHH...nobody would ever be THAT frickin' devious! (:-) M. s, D.C. Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 You must not have drank your morning cool aid. I will alert the authorities that some one is thinking in sector11. Someone will be there soon to give you some cool aid talk you down. ;)Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic CenterPDXFrom: " M. s, D.C." <drbobdc83@...> < >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:42:51 AMSubject: Re: Health Care Reform Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country. Now...if someone could only figure out a way to control these things (perhaps, health care based on chemicals that alter symptoms WITHOUT curing the cause; chemical laced foods that create MORE health problems; and then a massive "public education" campaign--perhaps in the form of television commercials- -to engrain this thinking in ALL Americans) they could literally control all BASIC HUMAN BEHAVIOR (and take away their "rights")!!! NAAAAHHH...nobody would ever be THAT frickin' devious! (:-) M. s, D.C. Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second Street Lake Oswego , OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswe gochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 You must not have drank your morning cool aid. I will alert the authorities that some one is thinking in sector11. Someone will be there soon to give you some cool aid talk you down. ;)Jay Lindekugel, DCConcordia Chiropractic CenterPDXFrom: " M. s, D.C." <drbobdc83@...> < >Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:42:51 AMSubject: Re: Health Care Reform Health care, eating and education are basic human rights in this country. Now...if someone could only figure out a way to control these things (perhaps, health care based on chemicals that alter symptoms WITHOUT curing the cause; chemical laced foods that create MORE health problems; and then a massive "public education" campaign--perhaps in the form of television commercials- -to engrain this thinking in ALL Americans) they could literally control all BASIC HUMAN BEHAVIOR (and take away their "rights")!!! NAAAAHHH...nobody would ever be THAT frickin' devious! (:-) M. s, D.C. Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second Street Lake Oswego , OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswe gochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs. com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I knew posting that I would not gain the agreement of all of you. I agree that we are generous as a society. I love to help people in need by choice. I have a certain percentage of my practice that is probono by choice. Don’t ever take my words to mean that I lack compassion. The more money I earn, and I say earn, the more I have the ability to give. Please stop trying to force us to agree with you. You wish to have a socialist country, I do not. Let us smash this topic and get back to chiropractic. I hope we can agree on that subject. Kehr From: joe medlin [mailto:spinetree@...] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:28 AM ''; Kehr; Abrahamson Subject: Re: Health Care Reform It's printed in the heart of every American. We don't stand by and watch a fellow American suffer. We instill institutions to prevent such suffering. Wellfare and public education are examples. Health Care is next. There is a certain base level of Health Care that is a right and this is understood by most americans who's hearts precede their pocket books. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1607 NE Alberta St PDX, OR 97211 503-788-6800 [From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it. Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it. First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH! Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted. Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think. Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun. So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work. We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better. Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it. Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate. We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I knew posting that I would not gain the agreement of all of you. I agree that we are generous as a society. I love to help people in need by choice. I have a certain percentage of my practice that is probono by choice. Don’t ever take my words to mean that I lack compassion. The more money I earn, and I say earn, the more I have the ability to give. Please stop trying to force us to agree with you. You wish to have a socialist country, I do not. Let us smash this topic and get back to chiropractic. I hope we can agree on that subject. Kehr From: joe medlin [mailto:spinetree@...] Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 10:28 AM ''; Kehr; Abrahamson Subject: Re: Health Care Reform It's printed in the heart of every American. We don't stand by and watch a fellow American suffer. We instill institutions to prevent such suffering. Wellfare and public education are examples. Health Care is next. There is a certain base level of Health Care that is a right and this is understood by most americans who's hearts precede their pocket books. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1607 NE Alberta St PDX, OR 97211 503-788-6800 [From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it. Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it. First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH! Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted. Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think. Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun. So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work. We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better. Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it. Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate. We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C. Chiropractic physician Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic 315 Second Street Lake Oswego, OR 97034 503-635-6246 Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Nobody's forcing you to agree with anything. It's not socialism. You don't have the luxury to determine the amount of your taxes. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800 [From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Nobody's forcing you to agree with anything. It's not socialism. You don't have the luxury to determine the amount of your taxes. ph Medlin D.C.Spine Tree Chiropractic1607 NE Alberta StPDX, OR 97211503-788-6800 [From OregonDCs] Health Care Reform Unlike projects in your home and business, congress is planning to do a project without money to pay for it.Congress wants to have all Americans guaranteed health care but has not figured out how to pay for it.First they were going to pay for it with Cap and Trade money. But they found out that 25 states get their electricity from gas and coal. DOUGH!Then they were going to pay for it by cutting the tax breaks from charitable giving by the most affluent people who give the most. Not accepted.Now they are sitting like Winnie the Pooh trying to figure out how to pay for free health care by...thinking. Think, think, think.Forget that paying for it stuff. Let’s just get on to planning on how to implement it. Much more fun.So, if we as doctors don’t have enough money to open a satellite clinic, we can have a lot of fun spending all our time planning how great it is going to work.We have seen the horror of government health care in Medicare, yet we think that if we multiply it by 8X, it will be better.Of course. The stimulus package was passed as an emergency with almost no one reading it.Several months later only 5% of it has been spent. That may be understandable but it shows us that they were wrong or lying when they said it needed to be passed RIGHT AWAY! They will try to pass health care reform without due consideration and we need to engage people in the debate.We need to help taxpayers, congress people, the media (don’t hold your breath) know how bad Medicare has been as an example of national health care. E. Abrahamson, D.C.Chiropractic physicianLake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic315 Second StreetLake Oswego, OR 97034503-635-6246Website: http://www.lakeoswegochiro.com Email message sent from CompuServe - visit us today at http://www.cs.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Any one who is interested if finding our more about Health Care Reform can read The Capital Insider, sent out the Arc and Cerebal Palsy Federation. It is not a perfect plan, but a step in the right direction and one that will help the disabled. From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net> Subject: Fw: Fwd: A Proposal worth considering IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 5:23 PM  Here is another interesting solution... Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net FW: Fwd: A Proposal worth considering " The Proposal " When a company falls on difficult times, one of the things that seems to happen is they reduce their staff and workers. The remaining workers must find ways to continue to do a good job or risk that their job would be eliminated as well. Wall street and the media normally congratulate the CEO for making this type of " tough decision " , and the board of directors gives upper corporate management big bonuses.. Our government should not be immune from similar risks. Therefore: Reduce the House of Representatives from the current 435 members to 218 members. Reduce Senate members from 100 to 50 (one per State). Then, reduce their remaining staff by 25%. Accomplish this over the next 8 years (two steps/two elections) and of course this would require some redistricting. Some Yearly Monetary Gains Include: $44,108,400 for elimination of base pay for congress. (267 members X $165,200 pay/member/ yr.) $437,100,000 for elimination of their staff. (estimate $1..3 Million in staff per each member of the House, and $3 Million in staff per each member of the Senate every year) $108,350,000 for the reduction in remaining staff by 25%. $7,500,000,000 reduction in pork barrel earmarks each year. (those members whose jobs are gone. Current estimates for total government pork earmarks are at $15 Billion/yr). The remaining representatives would need to work smarter and improve efficiencies. It might even be in their best interests to work together for the good of our country! We may also expect that smaller committees might lead to a more efficient resolution of issues as well. It might even be easier to keep track of what your representative is doing. Congress has more tools available to do their jobs than it had back in 1911 when the current number of representatives was established. (telephone, computers, cell phones to name a few) Note: Congress does not hesitate to head home for extended weekends, holidays and recesses, when what the nation needs is a real fix for economic problems. Also, we had 3 senators that were not doing their jobs for the 18+ months (on the campaign trail) and still they all accepted full pay. Minnesota survived very well with only one senator for the first half of this year. These facts alone support a reduction in senators and congress. Summary of opportunity: $44,108,400 reduction of congress members. $282,100, 000 for elimination of the reduced house member staff. $150,000,000 for elimination of reduced senate member staff. $70,850,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining house members. $37,500,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining senate members. $7,500,000,000 reduction in pork added to bills by the reduction of congress members. $8,084,558,400 per year, estimated total savings. (that's 8-BILLION just to start!) Corporate America does these types of cuts all the time. There's even a name for it. " Downsizing. " ------------ --------- --------- Also, if Congresspersons were required to serve 20, 25 or 30 years (like everyone else) in order to collect retirement benefits, taxpayers could save a bundle. Now they get full retirement after serving only ONE term. ------------ --------- --------- --------- - IF you are happy with how Washington spends our taxes, delete this message. Otherwise, it's time to " downsize " Congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Any one who is interested if finding our more about Health Care Reform can read The Capital Insider, sent out the Arc and Cerebal Palsy Federation. It is not a perfect plan, but a step in the right direction and one that will help the disabled. From: ELLEN BRONFELD <egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net> Subject: Fw: Fwd: A Proposal worth considering IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, March 15, 2010, 5:23 PM  Here is another interesting solution... Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskbsbcglobal (DOT) net FW: Fwd: A Proposal worth considering " The Proposal " When a company falls on difficult times, one of the things that seems to happen is they reduce their staff and workers. The remaining workers must find ways to continue to do a good job or risk that their job would be eliminated as well. Wall street and the media normally congratulate the CEO for making this type of " tough decision " , and the board of directors gives upper corporate management big bonuses.. Our government should not be immune from similar risks. Therefore: Reduce the House of Representatives from the current 435 members to 218 members. Reduce Senate members from 100 to 50 (one per State). Then, reduce their remaining staff by 25%. Accomplish this over the next 8 years (two steps/two elections) and of course this would require some redistricting. Some Yearly Monetary Gains Include: $44,108,400 for elimination of base pay for congress. (267 members X $165,200 pay/member/ yr.) $437,100,000 for elimination of their staff. (estimate $1..3 Million in staff per each member of the House, and $3 Million in staff per each member of the Senate every year) $108,350,000 for the reduction in remaining staff by 25%. $7,500,000,000 reduction in pork barrel earmarks each year. (those members whose jobs are gone. Current estimates for total government pork earmarks are at $15 Billion/yr). The remaining representatives would need to work smarter and improve efficiencies. It might even be in their best interests to work together for the good of our country! We may also expect that smaller committees might lead to a more efficient resolution of issues as well. It might even be easier to keep track of what your representative is doing. Congress has more tools available to do their jobs than it had back in 1911 when the current number of representatives was established. (telephone, computers, cell phones to name a few) Note: Congress does not hesitate to head home for extended weekends, holidays and recesses, when what the nation needs is a real fix for economic problems. Also, we had 3 senators that were not doing their jobs for the 18+ months (on the campaign trail) and still they all accepted full pay. Minnesota survived very well with only one senator for the first half of this year. These facts alone support a reduction in senators and congress. Summary of opportunity: $44,108,400 reduction of congress members. $282,100, 000 for elimination of the reduced house member staff. $150,000,000 for elimination of reduced senate member staff. $70,850,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining house members. $37,500,000 for 25% reduction of staff for remaining senate members. $7,500,000,000 reduction in pork added to bills by the reduction of congress members. $8,084,558,400 per year, estimated total savings. (that's 8-BILLION just to start!) Corporate America does these types of cuts all the time. There's even a name for it. " Downsizing. " ------------ --------- --------- Also, if Congresspersons were required to serve 20, 25 or 30 years (like everyone else) in order to collect retirement benefits, taxpayers could save a bundle. Now they get full retirement after serving only ONE term. ------------ --------- --------- --------- - IF you are happy with how Washington spends our taxes, delete this message. Otherwise, it's time to " downsize " Congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Earlier today, Pam posted a list of the potential positive benefits of the national health care bill. Here is the complete article...there is an explanation of reconciliation and additional information. It is quite long, just so you know. Ellen Issue # 7 : March 16, 2010 What is Happening with Health Care Reform? Quite a lot. After more than a month long hiatus, health care reform has returned full force. Reform efforts had come to a virtual standstill following the special election of Brown (R-MA) on January 19 to fill the seat of the late Senator Ted Kennedy. The election of Republican Brown eliminated the Democrats' 60 vote super majority needed to stop a _filibuster_ (http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://capwiz.com/thearc/u\ tr/1/DUAFLXVAJN/CARULXVFVQ/4579267586 & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=54280 9) of health care reform legislation in the Senate. At the end of February, President Obama began his final push to secure enactment of comprehensive health reform legislation. He urged Congress to schedule a vote on his proposal, which includes the Senate bill that was passed on Christmas Eve as well as some Republican proposals. The Senate's bill includes many provisions that would greatly benefit people with intellectual and developmental disabilities (discussed below). The next several days will make or break health care reform. As of today, the likely steps are as follows: 1. Late this week, the House will vote to simultaneously approve a reconciliation bill which includes fixes to the Senate bill and " deem " the Senate bill to be passed. Some members want to use the " deem and pass " process to avoid having their votes on the " unfixed " Senate bill used against them in the midterm elections. 2. If the House approves a reconciliation bill and " deems " the Senate bill to be passed, then the Senate will debate and vote on the reconciliation bill. 3. If the Senate passes the reconciliation bill, then President Obama will sign it into law. What is Reconciliation? " Reconciliation " is the shorthand term for budget reconciliation. The budget reconciliation process was created in 1974 and established many of the modern rules that Congress follows to pass the annual budget. Congress begins by passing a budget resolution every year that serves as a blue print for federal spending. The budget resolution provides the total amounts for large programs (e.g., national defense, agriculture, and Social Security). The various Congressional appropriations committees then work with these totals to decide how to divide up the funding among the subprograms (e.g., vocational rehabilitation, section 811 housing) and write their specific parts of the annual budget bill. The reconciliation process is used to bring entitlement programs (e.g., Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security) into line (i.e. reconcile) with the budget resolution. Why is Reconciliation so Important for Health Care Reform? Within these budget resolutions, instructions can be given to specific Congressional committees to create legislation that would alter current laws affecting spending and/or taxation in order to conform to the targets set out in the budget resolution. (Health care reform would certainly affect spending and/or taxation). The reconciliation process has different rules regarding amendments and debate in the Senate as outlined below: Normal Rules Reconciliation Process Unrelated amendments may be added to a bill may NOT be added to a bill Amount of debate allowed Endless unless 60 votes to end debate are attained Endless unless 51 votes to end debate are attained The bottom line is that the reconciliation process would make it much easier to get health care reform legislation passed in the Senate. It would disallow unrelated amendments and would take fewer votes to stop debate. So What is the Problem Then? There are four main challenges right now: Controversial Mechanism. Republicans and some Democrats alike have objected when legislation they opposed has passed through the reconciliation process. (Reconciliation has been used in the past for 22 bills, of which _19 bills were signed into law by the President_ (http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://www.brookings.edu/~\ /media/Files/rc/articles/2 009/0420_budget_mann/0420_budget_mann.pdf & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=542809) ..) Some conservatives claim that health reform is about more than federal spending, that it is a fundamental overhaul of the nation's health system. They argue that the reconciliation process was only intended to be used for legislation directly related to meeting budget resolution spending and revenue goals. Democrats have countered that reconciliation is an appropriate mechanism in light of the unanimous opposition by Republicans to health care reform. Partisanship. At present, not a single Republican has offered to support the President's plan as they prefer an incremental approach. From the disability community's perspective, incrementalism in health reform will not work because all of the critical insurance market reforms (e.g. eliminating pre-existing condition clauses) which are among the community's highest priorities, can only be achieved through a universal mandate. Without such a mandate, premiums for everyone who currently has health coverage would skyrocket. Republicans oppose the universal mandate. President Obama, many Senate Democrats, and health reform stakeholders sought Republican support for comprehensive reform throughout the yearlong process. In addition, policy makers agree that given that the health care reform bill will be implemented over a number of years by the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), who is appointed by the President, it would be far better to have bi-partisan support in the event of a Republican winning the presidency in 2012. Division among Democrats. Senate and House majority _whips_ (http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://www.senate.gov/refe\ rence/glos sary_term/whips.htm & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=542809) are furiously working to get as many Democrats to vote for the Senate bill as possible. Several Democrats have not stated their positions or are considering not supporting the President's plan over concerns about the lack of a public option and provisions on immigration and abortion. In the House, the Democrats can only afford to lose 37 votes to get the bill passed, and, according to one press report, as of March 15, there are 36 House members who have stated that they will vote no or have not stated their position. Meanwhile in the Senate, leaders are working to get assurances from 51 Senate Democrats that they will vote for the reconciliation bill. House Speaker Pelosi needs these specific assurances to ease the concerns of wavering members of the Democratic caucus who fear voting for the Senate bill will hurt them in the upcoming midterm elections because it includes provisions which give special treatment to specific states. Most of those provisions will be removed in the reconciliation bill. Budget Estimate. Late last week the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) lowered the projected savings for the Senate health reform bill. Republicans say the new estimate means that the health care reform legislation will either raise the deficit or the government will have to " raid " the Social Security Trust Fund and the CLASS Independence Fund to pay for part of reform. CBO now figures the bill would reduce the deficit by $118 billion over 10 years, down from the earlier $132 billion in estimated savings. But the new savings estimate is less than the $122.2 billion that is supposed to come from Social Security and the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports Act. (The CLASS Act is supposed to generate $70.2 billion in revenue, and health reform is supposed to increase the surplus in the Social Security Trust Fund by $52 billion.) " Thus the bill either 'raids' the Social Security Trust Fund or the new CLASS Independence Fund for revenues to spend on a massive new health care program , " an e-mail from the Republican Policy Committee states. However, money from those two programs is not supposed to pay for other parts of the bill. " The additional surplus in the Social Security Trust Fund generated by this Act should be reserved for Social Security and not spent in this Act for other purposes, " section 1563 (page 392) of the bill states, and " the net savings generated by the CLASS program should be reserved for the CLASS program and not spent in this Act for other purposes. " What is in the Senate Bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (H.R. 3590)? Among other things, the Senate bill would: 1) establish a mandate for most residents of the United States to obtain health insurance; 2) set up insurance exchanges through which certain individuals and families could receive federal subsidies to substantially reduce the cost of purchasing that coverage; 3) significantly expand eligibility for Medicaid with substantial federal financial support; 4) impose an excise tax on insurance plans with relatively high premiums; and 5) make various other changes to the federal tax code, Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs. What are the Provisions that are Most Important for People with Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities? Coverage · Prohibiting private health insurance exclusions for pre-existing conditions. · Eliminating annual and lifetime caps in private insurance policies; · Restricting the consideration of health status in setting premiums. · Expanding Medicaid to cover individuals with incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty line (approximately $29,000 per year for a family of four). Benefits · Ensuring that minimum covered benefits include products and services that enable people with disabilities to maintain and improve function, such as rehabilitation and habilitation services and devices. Access to Quality Care · Improving training of physicians, dentists, and allied health professionals on how to treat persons with disabilities. · Requiring the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to collect data on beneficiaries with disabilities access to primary care services and the level to which primary care service providers have been trained on disability issues. Ensuring prevention programs include a focus on individuals with disabilities. Long Term Services and Supports * Increasing the federal share of Medicaid, known as the Federal Medical Assistance Percentage (or FMAP), for home and community based services (HCBS) and during periods of economic downturn. * Allowing states to offer additional services under the 1915(i) Medicaid HCBS Waivers State Plan Option. * Provide spousal impoverishment protections for HCBS Beneficiaries. * Strengthening long-term services and supports through a two pronged approach: 1) Taking pressure off of the Medicaid program The Community Living Assistance Services and Supports (CLASS) Act would create a national long term services insurance program which assists eligible individuals and their families to meet long term needs with a cash benefit and without forcing them into poverty to receive Medicaid benefits. 2) Improving the Medicaid program: The Community First Choice Option would help to eliminate the institutional bias by encouraging state states to cover personal attendant services under the state's optional service plan instead of through the waiver system by offering a 6% increase in the federal share of Medicaid for these services. What Next? We can expect action in both House this week. Already there are extremely heated debates among the grassroots, with some conservative activists charging that the plan is socialist and liberals claiming that the bill is a sell out to the insurance industry since there is no public option. Large interest groups have spent over $20 million this month alone lobbying for and against health care reform. Very soon we will be asking chapters of The Arc and Affiliates of UCP to take action to support the president's plan. The opposition is already very vocal. We must personally get involved to make sure that health care reform for ALL becomes a reality. The Disability Policy Collaboration 1660 L Street, NW, Suite 701 Washington, DC 20036 _Privacy Policy_ (http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=187 & srctid=1 & erid=542809) | _Subscriptions_ (http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=188 & srctid=1 & erid=542809) Please send any comments to _acosta@..._ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2010 Report Share Posted March 17, 2010 Earlier today, Pam posted a list of the potential positive benefits of the national health care bill. Here is the complete article...there is an explanation of reconciliation and additional information. It is quite long, just so you know. Ellen Issue # 7 : March 16, 2010 What is Happening with Health Care Reform? Quite a lot. After more than a month long hiatus, health care reform has returned full force. Reform efforts had come to a virtual standstill following the special election of Brown (R-MA) on January 19 to fill the seat of the late Senator Ted Kennedy. The election of Republican Brown eliminated the Democrats' 60 vote super majority needed to stop a _filibuster_ (http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://capwiz.com/thearc/u\ tr/1/DUAFLXVAJN/CARULXVFVQ/4579267586 & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=54280 9) of health care reform legislation in the Senate. At the end of February, President Obama began his final push to secure enactment of comprehensive health reform legislation. He urged Congress to schedule a vote on his proposal, which includes the Senate bill that was passed on Christmas Eve as well as some Republican proposals. The Senate's bill includes many provisions that would greatly benefit people with intellectual and developmental disabilities (discussed below). The next several days will make or break health care reform. As of today, the likely steps are as follows: 1. Late this week, the House will vote to simultaneously approve a reconciliation bill which includes fixes to the Senate bill and " deem " the Senate bill to be passed. Some members want to use the " deem and pass " process to avoid having their votes on the " unfixed " Senate bill used against them in the midterm elections. 2. If the House approves a reconciliation bill and " deems " the Senate bill to be passed, then the Senate will debate and vote on the reconciliation bill. 3. If the Senate passes the reconciliation bill, then President Obama will sign it into law. What is Reconciliation? " Reconciliation " is the shorthand term for budget reconciliation. The budget reconciliation process was created in 1974 and established many of the modern rules that Congress follows to pass the annual budget. Congress begins by passing a budget resolution every year that serves as a blue print for federal spending. The budget resolution provides the total amounts for large programs (e.g., national defense, agriculture, and Social Security). The various Congressional appropriations committees then work with these totals to decide how to divide up the funding among the subprograms (e.g., vocational rehabilitation, section 811 housing) and write their specific parts of the annual budget bill. The reconciliation process is used to bring entitlement programs (e.g., Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security) into line (i.e. reconcile) with the budget resolution. Why is Reconciliation so Important for Health Care Reform? Within these budget resolutions, instructions can be given to specific Congressional committees to create legislation that would alter current laws affecting spending and/or taxation in order to conform to the targets set out in the budget resolution. (Health care reform would certainly affect spending and/or taxation). The reconciliation process has different rules regarding amendments and debate in the Senate as outlined below: Normal Rules Reconciliation Process Unrelated amendments may be added to a bill may NOT be added to a bill Amount of debate allowed Endless unless 60 votes to end debate are attained Endless unless 51 votes to end debate are attained The bottom line is that the reconciliation process would make it much easier to get health care reform legislation passed in the Senate. It would disallow unrelated amendments and would take fewer votes to stop debate. So What is the Problem Then? There are four main challenges right now: Controversial Mechanism. Republicans and some Democrats alike have objected when legislation they opposed has passed through the reconciliation process. (Reconciliation has been used in the past for 22 bills, of which _19 bills were signed into law by the President_ (http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://www.brookings.edu/~\ /media/Files/rc/articles/2 009/0420_budget_mann/0420_budget_mann.pdf & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=542809) ..) Some conservatives claim that health reform is about more than federal spending, that it is a fundamental overhaul of the nation's health system. They argue that the reconciliation process was only intended to be used for legislation directly related to meeting budget resolution spending and revenue goals. Democrats have countered that reconciliation is an appropriate mechanism in light of the unanimous opposition by Republicans to health care reform. Partisanship. At present, not a single Republican has offered to support the President's plan as they prefer an incremental approach. From the disability community's perspective, incrementalism in health reform will not work because all of the critical insurance market reforms (e.g. eliminating pre-existing condition clauses) which are among the community's highest priorities, can only be achieved through a universal mandate. Without such a mandate, premiums for everyone who currently has health coverage would skyrocket. Republicans oppose the universal mandate. President Obama, many Senate Democrats, and health reform stakeholders sought Republican support for comprehensive reform throughout the yearlong process. In addition, policy makers agree that given that the health care reform bill will be implemented over a number of years by the Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), who is appointed by the President, it would be far better to have bi-partisan support in the event of a Republican winning the presidency in 2012. Division among Democrats. Senate and House majority _whips_ (http://www.thearc.org/NetCommunity/page.redir?target=http://www.senate.gov/refe\ rence/glos sary_term/whips.htm & srcid=10698 & srctid=1 & erid=542809) are furiously working to get as many Democrats to vote for the Senate bill as possible. Several Democrats have not stated their positions or are considering not supporting the President's plan over concerns about the lack of a public option and provisions on immigration and abortion. In the House, the Democrats can only afford to lose 37 votes to get the bill passed, and, according to one press report, as of March 15, there are 36 House members who have stated that they will vote no or have not stated their position. Meanwhile in the Senate, leaders are working to get assurances from 51 Senate Democrats that they will vote for the reconciliation bill. House Speaker Pelosi needs these specific assurances to ease the concerns of wavering members of the Democratic caucus who fear voting for the Senate bill will hurt them in the upcoming midterm elections because it includes provisions which give special treatment to specific states. Most of those provisions will be removed in the reconciliation bill. Budget Estimate. Late last week the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) lowered the projected savings for the Senate health reform bill. Republicans say the new estimate means that the health care reform legislation will either raise the deficit or the government will have to " raid " the Social Security Trust Fund and the CLASS Independence Fund to pay for part of reform. CBO now figures the bill would reduce the deficit by $118 billion over 10 years, down from the earlier $132 billion in estimated savings. But the new savings estimate is less than the $122.2 billion that is supposed to come from Social Security and the Community Living Assistance Services and Supports Act. (The CLASS Act is supposed to generate $70.2 billion in revenue, and health reform is supposed to increase the surplus in the Social Security Trust Fund by $52 billion.) " Thus the bill either 'raids' the Social Security Trust Fund or the new CLASS Independence Fund for revenues to spend on a massive new health care program , " an e-mail from the Republican Policy Committee states. However, money from those two programs is not supposed to pay for other parts of the bill. " The additional surplus in the Social Security Trust Fund generated by this Act should be reserved for Social Security and not spent in this Act for other purposes, " section 1563 (page 392) of the bill states, and " the net savings generated by the CLASS program should be reserved for the CLASS program and not spent in this Act for other purposes. " What is in the Senate Bill, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (H.R. 3590)? Among other things, the Senate bill would: 1) establish a mandate for most residents of the United States to obtain health insurance; 2) set up insurance exchanges through which certain individuals and families could receive federal subsidies to substantially reduce the cost of purchasing that coverage; 3) significantly expand eligibility for Medicaid with substantial federal financial support; 4) impose an excise tax on insurance plans with relatively high premiums; and 5) make various other changes to the federal tax code, Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs. What are the Provisions that are Most Important for People with Intellectual and Developmental Disabilities? Coverage · Prohibiting private health insurance exclusions for pre-existing conditions. · Eliminating annual and lifetime caps in private insurance policies; · Restricting the consideration of health status in setting premiums. · Expanding Medicaid to cover individuals with incomes up to 133 percent of the federal poverty line (approximately $29,000 per year for a family of four). Benefits · Ensuring that minimum covered benefits include products and services that enable people with disabilities to maintain and improve function, such as rehabilitation and habilitation services and devices. Access to Quality Care · Improving training of physicians, dentists, and allied health professionals on how to treat persons with disabilities. · Requiring the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to collect data on beneficiaries with disabilities access to primary care services and the level to which primary care service providers have been trained on disability issues. Ensuring prevention programs include a focus on individuals with disabilities. Long Term Services and Supports * Increasing the federal share of Medicaid, known as the Federal Medical Assistance Percentage (or FMAP), for home and community based services (HCBS) and during periods of economic downturn. * Allowing states to offer additional services under the 1915(i) Medicaid HCBS Waivers State Plan Option. * Provide spousal impoverishment protections for HCBS Beneficiaries. * Strengthening long-term services and supports through a two pronged approach: 1) Taking pressure off of the Medicaid program The Community Living Assistance Services and Supports (CLASS) Act would create a national long term services insurance program which assists eligible individuals and their families to meet long term needs with a cash benefit and without forcing them into poverty to receive Medicaid benefits. 2) Improving the Medicaid program: The Community First Choice Option would help to eliminate the institutional bias by encouraging state states to cover personal attendant services under the state's optional service plan instead of through the waiver system by offering a 6% increase in the federal share of Medicaid for these services. What Next? We can expect action in both House this week. Already there are extremely heated debates among the grassroots, with some conservative activists charging that the plan is socialist and liberals claiming that the bill is a sell out to the insurance industry since there is no public option. Large interest groups have spent over $20 million this month alone lobbying for and against health care reform. Very soon we will be asking chapters of The Arc and Affiliates of UCP to take action to support the president's plan. The opposition is already very vocal. We must personally get involved to make sure that health care reform for ALL becomes a reality. 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Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Thank You Father, I did know that, but what I am incredulous about, is how it can be just for our government, by issuing a mandate based on (as you say) a Planned Parenthood supporting Institute of Medicince, which not only increases funding for contraception and abortion, but in effect discourages the use of NFP through financial disincentives. I don't think most people realize that the preventative care mandate does NOT cover NFP. I think if they knew this, they would agree that this is ultimately unfair and unjust. I.O.M. cited no medical evidence that NFP doesnt work - they just decided not to include it in the preventative care mandate, while at the same time forcing employers to fund this. Those of us who practice NFP can now cite economic harm starting Aug 1st -- they are in effect harming our businesses by arbitrarily deciding not to cover NFP, and encouraging patients to choose other methods of family planning for which they would not have a copay. This, to me, would at least be a starting point in another kind of lawsuit filed (for example with the Becket Foundation) from doctors or other providers that are being harmed from this unjust health care law. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 "I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: gotomb <tom.bartolomeo@...> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 12:10 AM Subject: Re: Health Care Reform ,If you do not know, much of Affordable Care Law was written by Planned Parenthood, and they would clearly oppose NFP.Fr. Tom BartolomeoOn Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Trumble <kellymtrumble@...> wrote: Thank you for sending. I just got my glorious letter from BCBS telling me all the new, great things that are covered (along w/ my $54/mo premium increase... Free??? Riiiight). I did wonder if a silver lining was present under the "counseling for contraception" umbrella w/ regard to covering for NFP counseling... *sigh*. I agree w/ your suggestion of putting information together regarding the omission of NFP counseling. Such insult to injury under the guise of "improved" women's health. God bless, Trumble, ARNP, FCPI, NFPMCISent from my iPhoneOn Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Regarding the new Health Care Law, from what i understand from my private insurers (for the State of Florida), the preventative care mandate will cover the following services/procedures without a copay ("free"): 1. annual well woman's exams to include counselling for stds and domestic violence2. well pregnant woman's exams to include counselling for stds, tobacco and alcohol, gest diabetes, anemia 3. breast feeding support and lactation support and counselling up to 8 visits per delivery and 1 manual breat pump4. contraception and contraceptive counselling for all women with reproductive capacity to include: a. barrier devices with a physician's prescription obtained at pharmacies b. oral contraceptives c. implantable devices (IUDs) both implantation and removals d. tubal ligations What is NOT covered: 1. counselling for NFP (Natural Family Planning) -- i cannot find out whether NFP for procreation is covered2. reversals of vasectomies or tubals If the group could find out more specifics of why NFP is not covered (beyond the reflex, common-sense theories), especially since the efficacy of NFP methods surpass barrier and some oral contraceptive estimates. I also think that as a group we should write a response from our group drawing attention to this obvious ommission (of NFP) when it is clearly an efficacious, ethical, GREEN (ecological), inexpensive way to manage one's fertility. This could be a powerful illustration of how the radical feminist factions are controlling healthcare and that decisions are not being made in the best interests of the patient, but rather along harmful philosophical lines... Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 "I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 , My understanding is that Planned Parenthood derives its income from " free choice " people and abortion supporters. They are not open to the life of others, children, only their own as ironic and suicidal as that seems. Their definition of marriage as well is contrary to nature and natural law, a disorder which has affected the thinking of too many for which society will suffer greatly if not now than later. Our declining birth rate will strain, if not destroy, the dependence of generations of people to come. Many industrialized nations' populations are now diminishing so rapidly that they are destroying their future economies without understanding God's will working its way through nature, his law, too.On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Thank You Father, I did know that, but what I am incredulous about, is how it can be just for our government, by issuing a mandate based on (as you say) a Planned Parenthood supporting Institute of Medicince, which not only increases funding for contraception and abortion, but in effect discourages the use of NFP through financial disincentives. I don't think most people realize that the preventative care mandate does NOT cover NFP. I think if they knew this, they would agree that this is ultimately unfair and unjust. I.O.M. cited no medical evidence that NFP doesnt work - they just decided not to include it in the preventative care mandate, while at the same time forcing employers to fund this. Those of us who practice NFP can now cite economic harm starting Aug 1st -- they are in effect harming our businesses by arbitrarily deciding not to cover NFP, and encouraging patients to choose other methods of family planning for which they would not have a copay. This, to me, would at least be a starting point in another kind of lawsuit filed (for example with the Becket Foundation) from doctors or other providers that are being harmed from this unjust health care law. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 " I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: gotomb <tom.bartolomeo@...> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 12:10 AM Subject: Re: Health Care Reform ,If you do not know, much of Affordable Care Law was written by Planned Parenthood, and they would clearly oppose NFP.Fr. Tom BartolomeoOn Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Trumble <kellymtrumble@...> wrote: Thank you for sending. I just got my glorious letter from BCBS telling me all the new, great things that are covered (along w/ my $54/mo premium increase... Free??? Riiiight). I did wonder if a silver lining was present under the " counseling for contraception " umbrella w/ regard to covering for NFP counseling... *sigh*. I agree w/ your suggestion of putting information together regarding the omission of NFP counseling. Such insult to injury under the guise of " improved " women's health. God bless, Trumble, ARNP, FCPI, NFPMCISent from my iPhoneOn Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Regarding the new Health Care Law, from what i understand from my private insurers (for the State of Florida), the preventative care mandate will cover the following services/procedures without a copay ( " free " ): 1. annual well woman's exams to include counselling for stds and domestic violence2. well pregnant woman's exams to include counselling for stds, tobacco and alcohol, gest diabetes, anemia 3. breast feeding support and lactation support and counselling up to 8 visits per delivery and 1 manual breat pump4. contraception and contraceptive counselling for all women with reproductive capacity to include: a. barrier devices with a physician's prescription obtained at pharmacies b. oral contraceptives c. implantable devices (IUDs) both implantation and removals d. tubal ligations What is NOT covered: 1. counselling for NFP (Natural Family Planning) -- i cannot find out whether NFP for procreation is covered2. reversals of vasectomies or tubals If the group could find out more specifics of why NFP is not covered (beyond the reflex, common-sense theories), especially since the efficacy of NFP methods surpass barrier and some oral contraceptive estimates. I also think that as a group we should write a response from our group drawing attention to this obvious ommission (of NFP) when it is clearly an efficacious, ethical, GREEN (ecological), inexpensive way to manage one's fertility. This could be a powerful illustration of how the radical feminist factions are controlling healthcare and that decisions are not being made in the best interests of the patient, but rather along harmful philosophical lines... Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 " I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 Totally agree! Witness "dying Europe", Italy's playgrounds inhabited by the elderly on benches feeding pigeons while the swings and slides remain empty. But, i am trying to plan my next steps to be proactive and not just apathetic. "The price of apathy is to be ruled by evil men" (Plato). blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 "I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: gotomb <tom.bartolomeo@...> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Health Care Reform , My understanding is that Planned Parenthood derives its income from "free choice" people and abortion supporters. They are not open to the life of others, children, only their own as ironic and suicidal as that seems. Their definition of marriage as well is contrary to nature and natural law, a disorder which has affected the thinking of too many for which society will suffer greatly if not now than later. Our declining birth rate will strain, if not destroy, the dependence of generations of people to come. Many industrialized nations' populations are now diminishing so rapidly that they are destroying their future economies without understanding God's will working its way through nature, his law, too.On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Thank You Father, I did know that, but what I am incredulous about, is how it can be just for our government, by issuing a mandate based on (as you say) a Planned Parenthood supporting Institute of Medicince, which not only increases funding for contraception and abortion, but in effect discourages the use of NFP through financial disincentives. I don't think most people realize that the preventative care mandate does NOT cover NFP. I think if they knew this, they would agree that this is ultimately unfair and unjust. I.O.M. cited no medical evidence that NFP doesnt work - they just decided not to include it in the preventative care mandate, while at the same time forcing employers to fund this. Those of us who practice NFP can now cite economic harm starting Aug 1st -- they are in effect harming our businesses by arbitrarily deciding not to cover NFP, and encouraging patients to choose other methods of family planning for which they would not have a copay. This, to me, would at least be a starting point in another kind of lawsuit filed (for example with the Becket Foundation) from doctors or other providers that are being harmed from this unjust health care law. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 "I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: gotomb <tom.bartolomeo@...> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 12:10 AM Subject: Re: Health Care Reform ,If you do not know, much of Affordable Care Law was written by Planned Parenthood, and they would clearly oppose NFP.Fr. Tom BartolomeoOn Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Trumble <kellymtrumble@...> wrote: Thank you for sending. I just got my glorious letter from BCBS telling me all the new, great things that are covered (along w/ my $54/mo premium increase... Free??? Riiiight). I did wonder if a silver lining was present under the "counseling for contraception" umbrella w/ regard to covering for NFP counseling... *sigh*. I agree w/ your suggestion of putting information together regarding the omission of NFP counseling. Such insult to injury under the guise of "improved" women's health. God bless, Trumble, ARNP, FCPI, NFPMCISent from my iPhoneOn Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Regarding the new Health Care Law, from what i understand from my private insurers (for the State of Florida), the preventative care mandate will cover the following services/procedures without a copay ("free"): 1. annual well woman's exams to include counselling for stds and domestic violence2. well pregnant woman's exams to include counselling for stds, tobacco and alcohol, gest diabetes, anemia 3. breast feeding support and lactation support and counselling up to 8 visits per delivery and 1 manual breat pump4. contraception and contraceptive counselling for all women with reproductive capacity to include: a. barrier devices with a physician's prescription obtained at pharmacies b. oral contraceptives c. implantable devices (IUDs) both implantation and removals d. tubal ligations What is NOT covered: 1. counselling for NFP (Natural Family Planning) -- i cannot find out whether NFP for procreation is covered2. reversals of vasectomies or tubals If the group could find out more specifics of why NFP is not covered (beyond the reflex, common-sense theories), especially since the efficacy of NFP methods surpass barrier and some oral contraceptive estimates. I also think that as a group we should write a response from our group drawing attention to this obvious ommission (of NFP) when it is clearly an efficacious, ethical, GREEN (ecological), inexpensive way to manage one's fertility. This could be a powerful illustration of how the radical feminist factions are controlling healthcare and that decisions are not being made in the best interests of the patient, but rather along harmful philosophical lines... Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 "I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia" (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2012 Report Share Posted August 3, 2012 They limited themselves to modalities approved by the FDA. Since NFP is not a drug or device, at does not come under FDA jurisdiction. There are codes which several NFP providers use for insurance reimbursement, I’m told they’re Z31. I don’t know if co-pay is involved, several on this list may know.If there is I assume the mandate does not cover it, so more grounds for a suit on the grounds of discrimination. Go for it! Hanna Klaus, M.D. Natural Family Planning Center of Washington, D.C. Inc. and Teen STAR Program 4400 East West highway # 911 Bethesda, MD 20814-4510 301-897-9323 hannaklaus@... http://www.teenstarprogram.org From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of gotomb Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 8:04 AM Subject: Re: Health Care Reform , My understanding is that Planned Parenthood derives its income from " free choice " people and abortion supporters. They are not open to the life of others, children, only their own as ironic and suicidal as that seems. Their definition of marriage as well is contrary to nature and natural law, a disorder which has affected the thinking of too many for which society will suffer greatly if not now than later. Our declining birth rate will strain, if not destroy, the dependence of generations of people to come. Many industrialized nations' populations are now diminishing so rapidly that they are destroying their future economies without understanding God's will working its way through nature, his law, too. On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Thank You Father, I did know that, but what I am incredulous about, is how it can be just for our government, by issuing a mandate based on (as you say) a Planned Parenthood supporting Institute of Medicince, which not only increases funding for contraception and abortion, but in effect discourages the use of NFP through financial disincentives. I don't think most people realize that the preventative care mandate does NOT cover NFP. I think if they knew this, they would agree that this is ultimately unfair and unjust. I.O.M. cited no medical evidence that NFP doesnt work - they just decided not to include it in the preventative care mandate, while at the same time forcing employers to fund this. Those of us who practice NFP can now cite economic harm starting Aug 1st -- they are in effect harming our businesses by arbitrarily deciding not to cover NFP, and encouraging patients to choose other methods of family planning for which they would not have a copay. This, to me, would at least be a starting point in another kind of lawsuit filed (for example with the Becket Foundation) from doctors or other providers that are being harmed from this unjust health care law. Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 " I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) From: gotomb <tom.bartolomeo@...> Sent: Friday, August 3, 2012 12:10 AM Subject: Re: Health Care Reform , If you do not know, much of Affordable Care Law was written by Planned Parenthood, and they would clearly oppose NFP. Fr. Tom Bartolomeo On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Trumble <kellymtrumble@...> wrote: Thank you for sending. I just got my glorious letter from BCBS telling me all the new, great things that are covered (along w/ my $54/mo premium increase... Free??? Riiiight). I did wonder if a silver lining was present under the " counseling for contraception " umbrella w/ regard to covering for NFP counseling... *sigh*. I agree w/ your suggestion of putting information together regarding the omission of NFP counseling. Such insult to injury under the guise of " improved " women's health. God bless, Trumble, ARNP, FCPI, NFPMCI Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2012, at 3:32 PM, Bame <rbamer2@...> wrote: Regarding the new Health Care Law, from what i understand from my private insurers (for the State of Florida), the preventative care mandate will cover the following services/procedures without a copay ( " free " ): 1. annual well woman's exams to include counselling for stds and domestic violence 2. well pregnant woman's exams to include counselling for stds, tobacco and alcohol, gest diabetes, anemia 3. breast feeding support and lactation support and counselling up to 8 visits per delivery and 1 manual breat pump 4. contraception and contraceptive counselling for all women with reproductive capacity to include: a. barrier devices with a physician's prescription obtained at pharmacies b. oral contraceptives c. implantable devices (IUDs) both implantation and removals d. tubal ligations What is NOT covered: 1. counselling for NFP (Natural Family Planning) -- i cannot find out whether NFP for procreation is covered 2. reversals of vasectomies or tubals If the group could find out more specifics of why NFP is not covered (beyond the reflex, common-sense theories), especially since the efficacy of NFP methods surpass barrier and some oral contraceptive estimates. I also think that as a group we should write a response from our group drawing attention to this obvious ommission (of NFP) when it is clearly an efficacious, ethical, GREEN (ecological), inexpensive way to manage one's fertility. This could be a powerful illustration of how the radical feminist factions are controlling healthcare and that decisions are not being made in the best interests of the patient, but rather along harmful philosophical lines... Blessings, Dr. Peck, MD, CCD, ABFM, Marquette NFP Instructor Pecks Family Practice, PLC 1688 W Granada Blvd, Ste 2A Ormond Beach, FL 32174 (386) 677-2018 fax: (386) 676-0737 cell: (386) 212-9777 " I have chosen you from the world, says the Lord, and have appointed you to go out and bear fruit, fruit that will last, alleluia " (Cf. Jn 15:16,19) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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