Re: R. Moss, Valstar book was: flaxoildiscussion

[Guest guest]

[Guest guest]

Bob,

I can certainly appreciate that approach method but unfortunately the cancer

that we are dealing with is extremely aggressive and likes to enter tissue in

the brain and spinal canal. I should have mentioned earlier that I was

immensely against chemo therapy and radiation which is why after nine months

after diagnosis she is receiving chemo therapy. I now believe that if we can

keep the body as healthy as possible, some of the conventional treatments

should not be dismissed altogether. In her instance it kept the cancer from

causing a stroke or other major problems. Now we just have to deal with

counteracting the negative effects of these treatments. At least it has

bought her some time. Thanks for the advice, though.

[Guest guest]

Bob,

I can certainly appreciate that approach method but unfortunately the cancer

that we are dealing with is extremely aggressive and likes to enter tissue in

the brain and spinal canal. I should have mentioned earlier that I was

immensely against chemo therapy and radiation which is why after nine months

after diagnosis she is receiving chemo therapy. I now believe that if we can

keep the body as healthy as possible, some of the conventional treatments

should not be dismissed altogether. In her instance it kept the cancer from

causing a stroke or other major problems. Now we just have to deal with

counteracting the negative effects of these treatments. At least it has

bought her some time. Thanks for the advice, though.

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much .

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much .

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for sharing this much detail about your mother-in-laws treatment. I hope

to meet them there and share more experiences with them. I'll be there from Feb

26th thru March 12th.

luvmygop@... wrote:,

Like I said earlier, my mother-in-law and my mother will be visiting the

Hufeland clinic this coming week. They will be flying out on the 27th of

this month till the 7th of March. I'm sure it will be fine to seek them out.

They are both from Long Island, New York.

I have received a lot of information from this group in the last 6 months

and I feel it is now time to share some of what I have learned and what we

have been doing with this information. My mother-in-law has been involved in

a lot of homeopathic therapies. She has been doing the flaxoil/cottage

cheese every day now for about one month. She has also been taking the Sun

soup from the Sun Farm corp. which is a frozen mixture of Chinese herbs and

other anticancer ingredients. (More can be found here if anyone is

interested, but I warn that the regimen is very expensive- $600/month- <A

HREF= " http://www.sunfarmcorp.com/ " >

Welcome to Sun Farm Corporation</A>) She has been taking this soup for about

four

or five months now. We are debating if we should take her off of the soup,

although the ingredients are very healthy and can certainly do no harm, it

doesn't seem to be curing her as it did the inventor's mother who had the

same cancer --> more on the website.

She is also taking anti copper medications, Thalidomide, Vioxx,

Captipril, Mevacor, Whey, Melatonin, Neltraxone, Tagamet, Protocel, High

Doses of Vitamin A and D, regular doses of B6 (50 mg) and Selenium (200

micrograms), green tea extract, echinacea, and wobenzyme. Shortly after her

diagnosis she was flown to California for a cancer vaccine that unfortunately

failed (however the vaccine has been known to take effect in some patients

after chemo therapy- which she has just recently started and is one cycle

in). If the CLT treatment does not work, my husband is considering placing

her on the new capsil virus (only available in Budapest, Hungary so my

husband will drive over while on his trip to Germany) and the Dendritic

vaccine. If she has to go back to chemo therapy, we decided we will only do

it through insulin potentiation therapy, and lastly, we may put her on super

high doses of intravenous vitamin C. She has also had chest radiation done

shortly after her brain and lung surgery last August. She has just started

another round of radiation to her neck, but his time her radiation is being

done with a new machine in Staten Island, New York. This machine is the only

one available in the Western Hemisphere and has a more direct, higher beam of

radiation, while being less damaging to the normal cells surrounding the

tumors. I think its great and she only has to go once a week for 4 visits,

while still taking her full dose of chemotherapy.

As you can see we are not leaving her cancer to chance. We are working

under many different theories and as long as these therapies do not

contradict each other we are going to try everything. The result: Although

she is in stage 4 (which is where she was when she was first diagnosed in May

of last year), she is healthy and able to receive any treatments. She has no

organ damage as of yet, and by looking at her, you would never believe she

has anything wrong with her. Although we haven't found the " magic cure " as

of yet, we feel at the very least, these therapies are keeping her body

strong, healthy, able to fight, and able to take whatever may come next. We

wouldn't even have a hope of future treatments if she was very sick. I also,

want to add that some of the therapies are very specific and she has

undergone a lot of blood tests to find the best dosages for her. I know that

a lot of these medications may sound strange for cancer purposes but if

anyone has any questions they can email me for more information.

Thank you everyone for the great information you have all shared these past

few months. I only hope I can be of some help to some of you out there. I

know it won't be easy to pinpoint what if anything will cure her or at least

extend her life, but the name of the game is a cure and we are not out to

publish any papers. I will keep you all posted these coming weeks with her

status during her CLT treatment.

[Guest guest]

,

I just read an article in a fairly recent Wall Street Journal - the health

section - that someone sent me. It talked about " managing " cancer vs

" curing " it. (Much like one lives with diabetes or other chronic diseases.)

So often we want the " magic bullet " , and understandably so, but a management

approach may be the best option in some cases. People are so frightened by

cancer that they will do most anything to quickly rid themselves of it. This

drives them to surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation that may, in the end, do

more damage than good. A modified, lessened dosage of these things may

actually allow the person to live longer. I think this is what many of the

alternative clinics do with their focus on building the person and his/her

immune system. I believe we should seek to find what will halt the

progression of the disease, and then slowly add to the protocol to begin

reversing it.

It sounds like you and those around you are doing a great job in tracking

down therapies and applying them successfully. Keep up the good work!

Bob

Re: Re: R. Moss, Valstar book was: flaxoildiscussion

> ,

>

> Like I said earlier, my mother-in-law and my mother will be visiting the

> Hufeland clinic this coming week. They will be flying out on the 27th of

> this month till the 7th of March. I'm sure it will be fine to seek them

out.

> They are both from Long Island, New York.

> I have received a lot of information from this group in the last 6

months

> and I feel it is now time to share some of what I have learned and what we

> have been doing with this information. My mother-in-law has been involved

in

> a lot of homeopathic therapies. She has been doing the flaxoil/cottage

> cheese every day now for about one month. She has also been taking the

Sun

> soup from the Sun Farm corp. which is a frozen mixture of Chinese herbs

and

> other anticancer ingredients. (More can be found here if anyone is

> interested, but I warn that the regimen is very expensive- $600/month- <A

HREF= " http://www.sunfarmcorp.com/ " >

> Welcome to Sun Farm Corporation</A>) She has been taking this soup for

about four

> or five months now. We are debating if we should take her off of the

soup,

> although the ingredients are very healthy and can certainly do no harm, it

> doesn't seem to be curing her as it did the inventor's mother who had the

> same cancer --> more on the website.

> She is also taking anti copper medications, Thalidomide, Vioxx,

> Captipril, Mevacor, Whey, Melatonin, Neltraxone, Tagamet, Protocel, High

> Doses of Vitamin A and D, regular doses of B6 (50 mg) and Selenium (200

> micrograms), green tea extract, echinacea, and wobenzyme. Shortly after

her

> diagnosis she was flown to California for a cancer vaccine that

unfortunately

> failed (however the vaccine has been known to take effect in some patients

> after chemo therapy- which she has just recently started and is one cycle

> in). If the CLT treatment does not work, my husband is considering

placing

> her on the new capsil virus (only available in Budapest, Hungary so my

> husband will drive over while on his trip to Germany) and the Dendritic

> vaccine. If she has to go back to chemo therapy, we decided we will only

do

> it through insulin potentiation therapy, and lastly, we may put her on

super

> high doses of intravenous vitamin C. She has also had chest radiation

done

> shortly after her brain and lung surgery last August. She has just

started

> another round of radiation to her neck, but his time her radiation is

being

> done with a new machine in Staten Island, New York. This machine is the

only

> one available in the Western Hemisphere and has a more direct, higher beam

of

> radiation, while being less damaging to the normal cells surrounding the

> tumors. I think its great and she only has to go once a week for 4

visits,

> while still taking her full dose of chemotherapy.

> As you can see we are not leaving her cancer to chance. We are working

> under many different theories and as long as these therapies do not

> contradict each other we are going to try everything. The result:

Although

> she is in stage 4 (which is where she was when she was first diagnosed in

May

> of last year), she is healthy and able to receive any treatments. She has

no

> organ damage as of yet, and by looking at her, you would never believe she

> has anything wrong with her. Although we haven't found the " magic cure "

as

> of yet, we feel at the very least, these therapies are keeping her body

> strong, healthy, able to fight, and able to take whatever may come next.

We

> wouldn't even have a hope of future treatments if she was very sick. I

also,

> want to add that some of the therapies are very specific and she has

> undergone a lot of blood tests to find the best dosages for her. I know

that

> a lot of these medications may sound strange for cancer purposes but if

> anyone has any questions they can email me for more information.

> Thank you everyone for the great information you have all shared these

past

> few months. I only hope I can be of some help to some of you out there.

I

> know it won't be easy to pinpoint what if anything will cure her or at

least

> extend her life, but the name of the game is a cure and we are not out to

> publish any papers. I will keep you all posted these coming weeks with

her

> status during her CLT treatment.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for sharing this much detail about your mother-in-laws treatment. I hope

to meet them there and share more experiences with them. I'll be there from Feb

26th thru March 12th.

luvmygop@... wrote:,

Like I said earlier, my mother-in-law and my mother will be visiting the

Hufeland clinic this coming week. They will be flying out on the 27th of

this month till the 7th of March. I'm sure it will be fine to seek them out.

They are both from Long Island, New York.

I have received a lot of information from this group in the last 6 months

and I feel it is now time to share some of what I have learned and what we

have been doing with this information. My mother-in-law has been involved in

a lot of homeopathic therapies. She has been doing the flaxoil/cottage

cheese every day now for about one month. She has also been taking the Sun

soup from the Sun Farm corp. which is a frozen mixture of Chinese herbs and

other anticancer ingredients. (More can be found here if anyone is

interested, but I warn that the regimen is very expensive- $600/month- <A

HREF= " http://www.sunfarmcorp.com/ " >

Welcome to Sun Farm Corporation</A>) She has been taking this soup for about

four

or five months now. We are debating if we should take her off of the soup,

although the ingredients are very healthy and can certainly do no harm, it

doesn't seem to be curing her as it did the inventor's mother who had the

same cancer --> more on the website.

She is also taking anti copper medications, Thalidomide, Vioxx,

Captipril, Mevacor, Whey, Melatonin, Neltraxone, Tagamet, Protocel, High

Doses of Vitamin A and D, regular doses of B6 (50 mg) and Selenium (200

micrograms), green tea extract, echinacea, and wobenzyme. Shortly after her

diagnosis she was flown to California for a cancer vaccine that unfortunately

failed (however the vaccine has been known to take effect in some patients

after chemo therapy- which she has just recently started and is one cycle

in). If the CLT treatment does not work, my husband is considering placing

her on the new capsil virus (only available in Budapest, Hungary so my

husband will drive over while on his trip to Germany) and the Dendritic

vaccine. If she has to go back to chemo therapy, we decided we will only do

it through insulin potentiation therapy, and lastly, we may put her on super

high doses of intravenous vitamin C. She has also had chest radiation done

shortly after her brain and lung surgery last August. She has just started

another round of radiation to her neck, but his time her radiation is being

done with a new machine in Staten Island, New York. This machine is the only

one available in the Western Hemisphere and has a more direct, higher beam of

radiation, while being less damaging to the normal cells surrounding the

tumors. I think its great and she only has to go once a week for 4 visits,

while still taking her full dose of chemotherapy.

As you can see we are not leaving her cancer to chance. We are working

under many different theories and as long as these therapies do not

contradict each other we are going to try everything. The result: Although

she is in stage 4 (which is where she was when she was first diagnosed in May

of last year), she is healthy and able to receive any treatments. She has no

organ damage as of yet, and by looking at her, you would never believe she

has anything wrong with her. Although we haven't found the " magic cure " as

of yet, we feel at the very least, these therapies are keeping her body

strong, healthy, able to fight, and able to take whatever may come next. We

wouldn't even have a hope of future treatments if she was very sick. I also,

want to add that some of the therapies are very specific and she has

undergone a lot of blood tests to find the best dosages for her. I know that

a lot of these medications may sound strange for cancer purposes but if

anyone has any questions they can email me for more information.

Thank you everyone for the great information you have all shared these past

few months. I only hope I can be of some help to some of you out there. I

know it won't be easy to pinpoint what if anything will cure her or at least

extend her life, but the name of the game is a cure and we are not out to

publish any papers. I will keep you all posted these coming weeks with her

status during her CLT treatment.

[Guest guest]

,

I just read an article in a fairly recent Wall Street Journal - the health

section - that someone sent me. It talked about " managing " cancer vs

" curing " it. (Much like one lives with diabetes or other chronic diseases.)

So often we want the " magic bullet " , and understandably so, but a management

approach may be the best option in some cases. People are so frightened by

cancer that they will do most anything to quickly rid themselves of it. This

drives them to surgery, chemotherapy, and radiation that may, in the end, do

more damage than good. A modified, lessened dosage of these things may

actually allow the person to live longer. I think this is what many of the

alternative clinics do with their focus on building the person and his/her

immune system. I believe we should seek to find what will halt the

progression of the disease, and then slowly add to the protocol to begin

reversing it.

It sounds like you and those around you are doing a great job in tracking

down therapies and applying them successfully. Keep up the good work!

Bob

Re: Re: R. Moss, Valstar book was: flaxoildiscussion

> ,

>

> Like I said earlier, my mother-in-law and my mother will be visiting the

> Hufeland clinic this coming week. They will be flying out on the 27th of

> this month till the 7th of March. I'm sure it will be fine to seek them

out.

> They are both from Long Island, New York.

> I have received a lot of information from this group in the last 6

months

> and I feel it is now time to share some of what I have learned and what we

> have been doing with this information. My mother-in-law has been involved

in

> a lot of homeopathic therapies. She has been doing the flaxoil/cottage

> cheese every day now for about one month. She has also been taking the

Sun

> soup from the Sun Farm corp. which is a frozen mixture of Chinese herbs

and

> other anticancer ingredients. (More can be found here if anyone is

> interested, but I warn that the regimen is very expensive- $600/month- <A

HREF= " http://www.sunfarmcorp.com/ " >

> Welcome to Sun Farm Corporation</A>) She has been taking this soup for

about four

> or five months now. We are debating if we should take her off of the

soup,

> although the ingredients are very healthy and can certainly do no harm, it

> doesn't seem to be curing her as it did the inventor's mother who had the

> same cancer --> more on the website.

> She is also taking anti copper medications, Thalidomide, Vioxx,

> Captipril, Mevacor, Whey, Melatonin, Neltraxone, Tagamet, Protocel, High

> Doses of Vitamin A and D, regular doses of B6 (50 mg) and Selenium (200

> micrograms), green tea extract, echinacea, and wobenzyme. Shortly after

her

> diagnosis she was flown to California for a cancer vaccine that

unfortunately

> failed (however the vaccine has been known to take effect in some patients

> after chemo therapy- which she has just recently started and is one cycle

> in). If the CLT treatment does not work, my husband is considering

placing

> her on the new capsil virus (only available in Budapest, Hungary so my

> husband will drive over while on his trip to Germany) and the Dendritic

> vaccine. If she has to go back to chemo therapy, we decided we will only

do

> it through insulin potentiation therapy, and lastly, we may put her on

super

> high doses of intravenous vitamin C. She has also had chest radiation

done

> shortly after her brain and lung surgery last August. She has just

started

> another round of radiation to her neck, but his time her radiation is

being

> done with a new machine in Staten Island, New York. This machine is the

only

> one available in the Western Hemisphere and has a more direct, higher beam

of

> radiation, while being less damaging to the normal cells surrounding the

> tumors. I think its great and she only has to go once a week for 4

visits,

> while still taking her full dose of chemotherapy.

> As you can see we are not leaving her cancer to chance. We are working

> under many different theories and as long as these therapies do not

> contradict each other we are going to try everything. The result:

Although

> she is in stage 4 (which is where she was when she was first diagnosed in

May

> of last year), she is healthy and able to receive any treatments. She has

no

> organ damage as of yet, and by looking at her, you would never believe she

> has anything wrong with her. Although we haven't found the " magic cure "

as

> of yet, we feel at the very least, these therapies are keeping her body

> strong, healthy, able to fight, and able to take whatever may come next.

We

> wouldn't even have a hope of future treatments if she was very sick. I

also,

> want to add that some of the therapies are very specific and she has

> undergone a lot of blood tests to find the best dosages for her. I know

that

> a lot of these medications may sound strange for cancer purposes but if

> anyone has any questions they can email me for more information.

> Thank you everyone for the great information you have all shared these

past

> few months. I only hope I can be of some help to some of you out there.

I

> know it won't be easy to pinpoint what if anything will cure her or at

least

> extend her life, but the name of the game is a cure and we are not out to

> publish any papers. I will keep you all posted these coming weeks with

her

> status during her CLT treatment.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you know how much taxol/taxotere costs for one breastcancerpatient?

The problem is in my opinion that most chemo's cost much more then the

herbs but the herbs you have to pay by yourself, the chemo your

insurancecom. pays at least here in the netherlands.

Think what is happening with Kanglaite, almost for free in- China and Japan,

very well results and now one big farma in the USA bought the patnet, does

the trials and no one can buy any longer Kanglaite in the USA or anywhere in

the world. Even now it is as we may believe the farmacompany tested in

fase III trials, already for more then a year. did you ever hard afterwards

from the results?

Gr. kees braam

webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl

Re: Re: R. Moss, Valstar book was: flaxoildiscussion

> In a message dated 2/18/03 4:29:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

luvmygop@...

> writes:

>

>

> > She has also been taking the Sun

> > soup from the Sun Farm corp. which is a frozen mixture of Chinese herbs

and

> >

> > other anticancer ingredients.

>

> That price is outrageous. There are no herbs that should cost $600 in my

> opinion.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you know how much taxol/taxotere costs for one breastcancerpatient?

The problem is in my opinion that most chemo's cost much more then the

herbs but the herbs you have to pay by yourself, the chemo your

insurancecom. pays at least here in the netherlands.

Think what is happening with Kanglaite, almost for free in- China and Japan,

very well results and now one big farma in the USA bought the patnet, does

the trials and no one can buy any longer Kanglaite in the USA or anywhere in

the world. Even now it is as we may believe the farmacompany tested in

fase III trials, already for more then a year. did you ever hard afterwards

from the results?

Gr. kees braam

webmaster www.kanker-actueel.nl

Re: Re: R. Moss, Valstar book was: flaxoildiscussion

> In a message dated 2/18/03 4:29:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

luvmygop@...

> writes:

>

>

> > She has also been taking the Sun

> > soup from the Sun Farm corp. which is a frozen mixture of Chinese herbs

and

> >

> > other anticancer ingredients.

>

> That price is outrageous. There are no herbs that should cost $600 in my

> opinion.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I think you're on the right track. Everyone's situation is different, and

must be handled differently. I guess what I was trying to say was to avoid

being too aggressive too soon, which I don't think you were. (Don't kill a

fly with a sledge hammer...)

Best wishes to you and your family.

Bob

Re: Re: R. Moss, Valstar book was: flaxoildiscussion

> Bob,

> I can certainly appreciate that approach method but unfortunately the

cancer

> that we are dealing with is extremely aggressive and likes to enter tissue

in

> the brain and spinal canal. I should have mentioned earlier that I was

> immensely against chemo therapy and radiation which is why after nine

months

> after diagnosis she is receiving chemo therapy. I now believe that if we

can

> keep the body as healthy as possible, some of the conventional treatments

> should not be dismissed altogether. In her instance it kept the cancer

from

> causing a stroke or other major problems. Now we just have to deal with

> counteracting the negative effects of these treatments. At least it has

> bought her some time. Thanks for the advice, though.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I think you're on the right track. Everyone's situation is different, and

must be handled differently. I guess what I was trying to say was to avoid

being too aggressive too soon, which I don't think you were. (Don't kill a

fly with a sledge hammer...)

Best wishes to you and your family.

Bob

Re: Re: R. Moss, Valstar book was: flaxoildiscussion

> Bob,

> I can certainly appreciate that approach method but unfortunately the

cancer

> that we are dealing with is extremely aggressive and likes to enter tissue

in

> the brain and spinal canal. I should have mentioned earlier that I was

> immensely against chemo therapy and radiation which is why after nine

months

> after diagnosis she is receiving chemo therapy. I now believe that if we

can

> keep the body as healthy as possible, some of the conventional treatments

> should not be dismissed altogether. In her instance it kept the cancer

from

> causing a stroke or other major problems. Now we just have to deal with

> counteracting the negative effects of these treatments. At least it has

> bought her some time. Thanks for the advice, though.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cancercure,

Catharine,

> I subscribe to Ralph Moss's newsletter. I have noticed that he has

>been going on and on about CLT/PDT in the last few issues. I dodn't

>realize he is an investor in the treatment. Hmmm, I guess he must

>really believe in the treatment - or he wouldn't be putting his money

>into it. And, if you really believe in something, its hard not to

>write about it.

Schmuel

Hi, I know about two weeks have passed since this post ...

One thing has to be repeated again..

CLT/PDT may be a wonderful treatment,

and all the best for those who are travelling and undergoing treatment..

My concern is above..

1) Ralph Moss built up a reputation as an objective

journalist/reporter/investigator

2) Now Ralph Moss in an investor/businessman in one treatment..

At the very least, in articles that he is using his

journalist/objective-researcher role, as above, to plug/support the treatment

that he has pecuniary interest, he must, to have any ethical standing, state

clearly that he has a financial involvement.

If he is not doing so, clearly and unequivocally, one must be concerned with his

ethics, and of course his objectivity as a journalist/investigator/researcher

has to

be put into question, at least from the point of time that he became financially

involved.

Question:

Has this ethical problem been pointed out to him by anyone for his response ?

Shalom,

Avery

Queens, NY

schmuel@...

Messianic_Apologetic-subscribe

Messianic_Apologetic/

[Guest guest]

Hi Cancercure,

Catharine,

> I subscribe to Ralph Moss's newsletter. I have noticed that he has

>been going on and on about CLT/PDT in the last few issues. I dodn't

>realize he is an investor in the treatment. Hmmm, I guess he must

>really believe in the treatment - or he wouldn't be putting his money

>into it. And, if you really believe in something, its hard not to

>write about it.

Schmuel

Hi, I know about two weeks have passed since this post ...

One thing has to be repeated again..

CLT/PDT may be a wonderful treatment,

and all the best for those who are travelling and undergoing treatment..

My concern is above..

1) Ralph Moss built up a reputation as an objective

journalist/reporter/investigator

2) Now Ralph Moss in an investor/businessman in one treatment..

At the very least, in articles that he is using his

journalist/objective-researcher role, as above, to plug/support the treatment

that he has pecuniary interest, he must, to have any ethical standing, state

clearly that he has a financial involvement.

If he is not doing so, clearly and unequivocally, one must be concerned with his

ethics, and of course his objectivity as a journalist/investigator/researcher

has to

be put into question, at least from the point of time that he became financially

involved.

Question:

Has this ethical problem been pointed out to him by anyone for his response ?

Shalom,

Avery

Queens, NY

schmuel@...

Messianic_Apologetic-subscribe

Messianic_Apologetic/

[Guest guest]

Yes, Moss is putting his money into his treatment because he believes in

it so strongly..

strong enough to offer your money back if it

doesn't work? I think not. Now that would be

a proper testimonial...It works or no cost. Best, JR

[Guest guest]

Yes, Moss is putting his money into his treatment because he believes in

it so strongly..

strong enough to offer your money back if it

doesn't work? I think not. Now that would be

a proper testimonial...It works or no cost. Best, JR

[Guest guest]

Due to problems with the Ireland Clinic Moss is no longer backing in any way

CLT treatment.

Re: Re: R. Moss, Valstar book was: flaxoildiscussion

Hi Cancercure,

Catharine,

> I subscribe to Ralph Moss's newsletter. I have noticed that he has

>been going on and on about CLT/PDT in the last few issues. I dodn't

>realize he is an investor in the treatment. Hmmm, I guess he must

>really believe in the treatment - or he wouldn't be putting his money

>into it. And, if you really believe in something, its hard not to

>write about it.

Schmuel

Hi, I know about two weeks have passed since this post ...

One thing has to be repeated again..

CLT/PDT may be a wonderful treatment,

and all the best for those who are travelling and undergoing treatment..

My concern is above..

1) Ralph Moss built up a reputation as an objective

journalist/reporter/investigator

2) Now Ralph Moss in an investor/businessman in one treatment..

At the very least, in articles that he is using his

journalist/objective-researcher role, as above, to plug/support the treatment

that he has pecuniary interest, he must, to have any ethical standing, state

clearly that he has a financial involvement.

If he is not doing so, clearly and unequivocally, one must be concerned with

his

ethics, and of course his objectivity as a journalist/investigator/researcher

has to

be put into question, at least from the point of time that he became

financially involved.

Question:

Has this ethical problem been pointed out to him by anyone for his response ?

Shalom,

Avery

Queens, NY

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Due to problems with the Ireland Clinic Moss is no longer backing in any way

CLT treatment.

Re: Re: R. Moss, Valstar book was: flaxoildiscussion

Hi Cancercure,

Catharine,

> I subscribe to Ralph Moss's newsletter. I have noticed that he has

>been going on and on about CLT/PDT in the last few issues. I dodn't

>realize he is an investor in the treatment. Hmmm, I guess he must

>really believe in the treatment - or he wouldn't be putting his money

>into it. And, if you really believe in something, its hard not to

>write about it.

Schmuel

Hi, I know about two weeks have passed since this post ...

One thing has to be repeated again..

CLT/PDT may be a wonderful treatment,

and all the best for those who are travelling and undergoing treatment..

My concern is above..

1) Ralph Moss built up a reputation as an objective

journalist/reporter/investigator

2) Now Ralph Moss in an investor/businessman in one treatment..

At the very least, in articles that he is using his

journalist/objective-researcher role, as above, to plug/support the treatment

that he has pecuniary interest, he must, to have any ethical standing, state

clearly that he has a financial involvement.

If he is not doing so, clearly and unequivocally, one must be concerned with

his

ethics, and of course his objectivity as a journalist/investigator/researcher

has to

be put into question, at least from the point of time that he became

financially involved.

Question:

Has this ethical problem been pointed out to him by anyone for his response ?

Shalom,

Avery

Queens, NY

schmuel@...

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Hi CancerCure,

paddletennis wrote:

>Due to problems with the Ireland Clinic Moss is no longer backing in any way

CLT treatment.

Schmuel

Yes, I saw that some situations have changed, after Catharine's letter,

but that does not really address my question ...

Can Ralph Moss really be used as an objective researcher/journalist any longer ?

How could he write about a treatment in his newsletter without making crystal

clear

his own financial interest ? What is/was the extent of that investment

involvement ?

I am not saying that this type of issue only arises for Ralph Moss, but since he

had

an " objective analysis " service and various articles and books comparing

therapies,

it seems to be a real obvious case of potential conflict of interest.

The next article that he writes comparing therapies, might you wonder which one

of them he is investing in on the side ? How objective can one be when one has

a goodly stake, and stands to possibly make more than they could through

journalism ? Will the Ireland clinic today become a Bahamian clinic tomorrow ?

Has he made any public statements on this issue ?

(when I read that he was promoting the treatment in his newsletter without a

clear

disclosure statement accompanying .. per 's letter... that really

seemed

to be way over the line).

I met Ralph and his wife at one or two speaking engagements, and he was always

very personable and helpful.. the issue is, can he really be trusted as an

objective

journalist/researcher any more, as this experience unfolds ?

Perhaps there are mitigating circumstances, perhaps Ralph Moss has written well

about this problem, but the sense I get is that it has not been addressed

forthrightly.

Shalom,

Avery

Bayside, Queens

> Catharine,

> > I subscribe to Ralph Moss's newsletter. I have noticed that he has

> >been going on and on about CLT/PDT in the last few issues. I dodn't

> >realize he is an investor in the treatment. Hmmm, I guess he must

> >really believe in the treatment - or he wouldn't be putting his money

> >into it. And, if you really believe in something, its hard not to

> >write about it.

>

> Schmuel

> Hi, I know about two weeks have passed since this post ...

>

> One thing has to be repeated again..

>

> CLT/PDT may be a wonderful treatment,

> and all the best for those who are travelling and undergoing treatment..

>

> My concern is above..

> 1) Ralph Moss built up a reputation as an objective

journalist/reporter/investigator

> 2) Now Ralph Moss in an investor/businessman in one treatment..

>

> At the very least, in articles that he is using his

journalist/objective-researcher role, as above, to plug/support the treatment

that he has pecuniary interest, he must, to have any ethical standing, state

clearly that he has a financial involvement.

>

> If he is not doing so, clearly and unequivocally, one must be concerned with

his

> ethics, and of course his objectivity as a journalist/investigator/researcher

has to

> be put into question, at least from the point of time that he became

financially involved.

>

> Question:

> Has this ethical problem been pointed out to him by anyone for his response ?

>

> Shalom,

> Avery

> Queens, NY

schmuel@...

Messianic_Apologetic-subscribe

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[Guest guest]

Hi CancerCure,

paddletennis wrote:

>Due to problems with the Ireland Clinic Moss is no longer backing in any way

CLT treatment.

Schmuel

Yes, I saw that some situations have changed, after Catharine's letter,

but that does not really address my question ...

Can Ralph Moss really be used as an objective researcher/journalist any longer ?

How could he write about a treatment in his newsletter without making crystal

clear

his own financial interest ? What is/was the extent of that investment

involvement ?

I am not saying that this type of issue only arises for Ralph Moss, but since he

had

an " objective analysis " service and various articles and books comparing

therapies,

it seems to be a real obvious case of potential conflict of interest.

The next article that he writes comparing therapies, might you wonder which one

of them he is investing in on the side ? How objective can one be when one has

a goodly stake, and stands to possibly make more than they could through

journalism ? Will the Ireland clinic today become a Bahamian clinic tomorrow ?

Has he made any public statements on this issue ?

(when I read that he was promoting the treatment in his newsletter without a

clear

disclosure statement accompanying .. per 's letter... that really

seemed

to be way over the line).

I met Ralph and his wife at one or two speaking engagements, and he was always

very personable and helpful.. the issue is, can he really be trusted as an

objective

journalist/researcher any more, as this experience unfolds ?

Perhaps there are mitigating circumstances, perhaps Ralph Moss has written well

about this problem, but the sense I get is that it has not been addressed

forthrightly.

Shalom,

Avery

Bayside, Queens

> Catharine,

> > I subscribe to Ralph Moss's newsletter. I have noticed that he has

> >been going on and on about CLT/PDT in the last few issues. I dodn't

> >realize he is an investor in the treatment. Hmmm, I guess he must

> >really believe in the treatment - or he wouldn't be putting his money

> >into it. And, if you really believe in something, its hard not to

> >write about it.

>

> Schmuel

> Hi, I know about two weeks have passed since this post ...

>

> One thing has to be repeated again..

>

> CLT/PDT may be a wonderful treatment,

> and all the best for those who are travelling and undergoing treatment..

>

> My concern is above..

> 1) Ralph Moss built up a reputation as an objective

journalist/reporter/investigator

> 2) Now Ralph Moss in an investor/businessman in one treatment..

>

> At the very least, in articles that he is using his

journalist/objective-researcher role, as above, to plug/support the treatment

that he has pecuniary interest, he must, to have any ethical standing, state

clearly that he has a financial involvement.

>

> If he is not doing so, clearly and unequivocally, one must be concerned with

his

> ethics, and of course his objectivity as a journalist/investigator/researcher

has to

> be put into question, at least from the point of time that he became

financially involved.

>

> Question:

> Has this ethical problem been pointed out to him by anyone for his response ?

>

> Shalom,

> Avery

> Queens, NY

schmuel@...

Messianic_Apologetic-subscribe

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[Guest guest]

Just a note - I haven't been able to keep up here - but since I last

visited, I have received two newsletters from Ralph Moss. Neither

mentions CLT at all now!!!! :-) I guess he lost interest???

> Hi Cancercure,

>

> Catharine,

> > I subscribe to Ralph Moss's newsletter. I have noticed that he has

> >been going on and on about CLT/PDT in the last few issues. I dodn't

> >realize he is an investor in the treatment. Hmmm, I guess he must

> >really believe in the treatment - or he wouldn't be putting his money

> >into it. And, if you really believe in something, its hard not to

> >write about it.

>

> Schmuel

> Hi, I know about two weeks have passed since this post ...

>

> One thing has to be repeated again..

>

> CLT/PDT may be a wonderful treatment,

> and all the best for those who are travelling and undergoing treatment..

>

> My concern is above..

> 1) Ralph Moss built up a reputation as an objective

journalist/reporter/investigator

> 2) Now Ralph Moss in an investor/businessman in one treatment..

>

> At the very least, in articles that he is using his

journalist/objective-researcher role, as above, to plug/support the

treatment that he has pecuniary interest, he must, to have any ethical

standing, state clearly that he has a financial involvement.

>

> If he is not doing so, clearly and unequivocally, one must be

concerned with his

> ethics, and of course his objectivity as a

journalist/investigator/researcher has to

> be put into question, at least from the point of time that he became

financially involved.

>

> Question:

> Has this ethical problem been pointed out to him by anyone for his

response ?

>

> Shalom,

> Avery

> Queens, NY

>

>

>

> schmuel@e...

> Messianic_Apologetic-subscribe

> Messianic_Apologetic/

[Guest guest]

Just a note - I haven't been able to keep up here - but since I last

visited, I have received two newsletters from Ralph Moss. Neither

mentions CLT at all now!!!! :-) I guess he lost interest???

> Hi Cancercure,

>

> Catharine,

> > I subscribe to Ralph Moss's newsletter. I have noticed that he has

> >been going on and on about CLT/PDT in the last few issues. I dodn't

> >realize he is an investor in the treatment. Hmmm, I guess he must

> >really believe in the treatment - or he wouldn't be putting his money

> >into it. And, if you really believe in something, its hard not to

> >write about it.

>

> Schmuel

> Hi, I know about two weeks have passed since this post ...

>

> One thing has to be repeated again..

>

> CLT/PDT may be a wonderful treatment,

> and all the best for those who are travelling and undergoing treatment..

>

> My concern is above..

> 1) Ralph Moss built up a reputation as an objective

journalist/reporter/investigator

> 2) Now Ralph Moss in an investor/businessman in one treatment..

>

> At the very least, in articles that he is using his

journalist/objective-researcher role, as above, to plug/support the

treatment that he has pecuniary interest, he must, to have any ethical

standing, state clearly that he has a financial involvement.

>

> If he is not doing so, clearly and unequivocally, one must be

concerned with his

> ethics, and of course his objectivity as a

journalist/investigator/researcher has to

> be put into question, at least from the point of time that he became

financially involved.

>

> Question:

> Has this ethical problem been pointed out to him by anyone for his

response ?

>

> Shalom,

> Avery

> Queens, NY

>

>

>

> schmuel@e...

> Messianic_Apologetic-subscribe

> Messianic_Apologetic/