Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 To everyone who wanted to know: Once I got my files on HRT in order, I decided I never wanted to tangle with them again, and I'd better save the organized consolidation onto a couple of web pages! (My computer is a virtual jungle of information.) The pages are linked together and the last page lists most of my medical sources for the first two pages: http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/index.htm http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/HRT.html http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/HRTreferences.html I'll also send a copy of the this to those of you who specifically asked, via email, in case you miss this message. I hope it helps. (Ah..next time someone wants to know, all I have to do is post a link!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 Thanks . The information is very helpfull. > > To everyone who wanted to know: > > Once I got my files on HRT in order, I decided I never wanted to > tangle with them again, and I'd better save the organized > consolidation onto a couple of web pages! > (My computer is a virtual jungle of information.) > > The pages are linked together and the last page lists most of my > medical sources for the first two pages: > > http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/index.htm > http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/HRT.html > http://infowoman.freewebpage.org/HRTreferences.html > > I'll also send a copy of the this to those of you who specifically > asked, via email, in case you miss this message. > I hope it helps. (Ah..next time someone wants to know, all I have to > do is post a link!) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 02:38:01 -0000, you wrote: > >I'll round up the info your wife wants to know, Retro, along with >sources, and send it to you privately. I'm always glad to spread the >word to other women about effective and safe HRT, since this >information is unlikely to be forthcoming from the gyn community. >(If it steers a few other women off the 10 yr downhill path I was >directed onto, it is worth the time.) Many thanks. You're a peach! - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Hey--you still have to pass those stones--just smaller ones. Don't mean to be a downer, but don't want you to go into that procedure thinking it makes the stones disappear. I feel really good about the holistic health care center I found because they just explain things to you based on blood tests and let you make the decision about supplements. They aren't pushy at all. I am a true partner in my health care. Ks Di [ ] HRT > > > Carolyn-- > > No apology necessary. Your detailed explanations are wonderful and I don't mind the length at all. I think the Dr you were trying to remember is Weil. I think he is marvelous and makes more sense than anybody doing alternative medicine. I would really like to be his patient because I need guidance and there are so many out there that practice and don't know what they are talking about. I think there is merit in alternative medicine but one of my problems with it is there aren't enough really good practitioners and I need help sorting things out. For instance, I have horrible allergic reactions to many herbs and because you never know what is in them I can't risk taking the combinations that are available. My other problem with most of them is they are like people with new religion. So full of fervor that they can't see the forrest for the trees. I think Dr Weil would treat the whole person and make excellent suggestions. (BTW I have nothing against religion) > > As far as HRT, I think all meds come with risks and I evaluate those risks and then make my decisions based on what I need help with. Don't you think that the PA meds are as dangerous, if not more so, than HRT? > > I have a history of kidney stones so I guess I have to decide if breaking bones is worse than passing stones? What a nice bunch of choice we end up with. Actually I try to get a lot of calcium from green leafy things, dairy and supplements. My mom has osteoporosis and I know firsthand how it can bring your quality of life to a screeching halt in a heartbeat and I sure don't want that on top of everything else. > > I think the other thing that those of us with PA have to be careful about is blaming everything on PA. If I didn't have PA I would probably go to the doctor when I have chest pains, headaches, breathing difficulties, etc. but I usually just think it is PA related and don't bother. I am rethinking that one and trying to get things checked out. > > Anyway, please keep adding to this conversation. Thanks, Cheri :-)) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 > > > Hi Carolyn and Cheri, > > Now I'm in brain fog.lol! Are you saying that Dr. Weil thinks that > the natural hormones are safer? What " same conclusion " did he and the > traditional medical community reach? > > thanks, > Marti Dear Marti: When I earlier mentioned the " culprit " being non natural souces of estrogen I should have included more specific data. In that my answers are so long already, I find that it is sometimes more effective to approach futher details as questions or interest as they " pop up " . One of the most commonly prescribed forms of estrogen or estrogen combined forms for years has been Premarin. Premarin in addition to many other like estrogens have been obatined from animal sources, i.e. bovine (or cow). It was estrogen in this group that was being studied that came to a halt after alarming data concluding links to a variety of potentially life threatening occurances such as heart attacks and strokes. There is a fairly new term being used to refer to estrogen that is obtained from human sources and this is " Biologically Identical " This is for the most part, without arguement the preferred choice of not only estrogen but has also be the choice of insulin prescribing physicians for several years now. Insulin was once obtained form cows and though it was a life saver, the preferred choice now is (in many cases) " Humulin " with it's source being from humans. A example of a biolgically identical form of estrogen would be Estace and Dr. Weil even includes this example on his site. There are choices that we have, including the less risky creams. All in all, gather your questions and approach your gynnie. If you wish to do research on the net to decide what questions to ask your Dr. the following should be helpful: When I typed in drandrewweil.com into google I got nothing. When I typed in dr.andrewweil without the dot com I was led to andrewweil.com " the official web site " and was able to refresh myself with info. As most of us know the internet can be a blessing or a nightmare. It was easy to get distracted on Dr. Weils site and find out that he is not a advocate of Enbrel other than as a last resort. Most will tell you tath PA requires early and agressive treatment to forstall it's potentially disabling affects. So yellow flag here. Don't take a step back. If your'e interested I can also endorse (with zero finicial personal interest) Dr. Lessman's site. Many of us know him from Home Shopping Network. It takes some real detective work to bypasss HSN and find out the behind the scenes on this amazing and empassioned man's journey into vitamins and supplements. I admire not only his passion and risk taking but he has been light years ahead of the others in his research. One of his many degrees is actually in Biochemistry. What is useful to me on his site is very detailed info regarding his supplements that I can forward to my Dr's for their considration. Hope this has been useful. [Editor's Note: Dr. Weill may not be an advocate of Enbrel because it is grown in mice while Humira is derived from humans. Kathy F.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 --- Hi Ks Di, With the procedure I'm having with the Kidney stones being broke up-I still have a stent/stint (not sure about the spelling) in that was put in during a cysto. that was done to remove my latest painful kidney stone- anyhow...with the stent in they will pass through that after they are broken up (hopefully anyhow!). Just having them out will be great after what I've been through. I don't know if that is what you were talking about that they still needed to come out. God Bless, Sue. In , " Costello Family " <costello@m...> wrote: > > Hey--you still have to pass those stones--just smaller ones. Don't mean to > be a downer, but don't want you to go into that procedure thinking it makes > the stones disappear. > > I feel really good about the holistic health care center I found because > they just explain things to you based on blood tests and let you make the > decision about supplements. They aren't pushy at all. I am a true partner > in my health care. > > Ks Di > [ ] HRT > > > > > > > > Carolyn-- > > > > No apology necessary. Your detailed explanations are wonderful and I > don't mind the length at all. I think the Dr you were trying to remember is > Weil. I think he is marvelous and makes more sense than anybody > doing alternative medicine. I would really like to be his patient because I > need guidance and there are so many out there that practice and don't know > what they are talking about. I think there is merit in alternative medicine > but one of my problems with it is there aren't enough really good > practitioners and I need help sorting things out. For instance, I have > horrible allergic reactions to many herbs and because you never know what is > in them I can't risk taking the combinations that are available. My other > problem with most of them is they are like people with new religion. So > full of fervor that they can't see the forrest for the trees. I think Dr > Weil would treat the whole person and make excellent suggestions. (BTW I > have nothing against religion) > > > > As far as HRT, I think all meds come with risks and I evaluate those risks > and then make my decisions based on what I need help with. Don't you think > that the PA meds are as dangerous, if not more so, than HRT? > > > > I have a history of kidney stones so I guess I have to decide if breaking > bones is worse than passing stones? What a nice bunch of choice we end up > with. Actually I try to get a lot of calcium from green leafy things, dairy > and supplements. My mom has osteoporosis and I know firsthand how it can > bring your quality of life to a screeching halt in a heartbeat and I sure > don't want that on top of everything else. > > > > I think the other thing that those of us with PA have to be careful about > is blaming everything on PA. If I didn't have PA I would probably go to the > doctor when I have chest pains, headaches, breathing difficulties, etc. but > I usually just think it is PA related and don't bother. I am rethinking > that one and trying to get things checked out. > > > > Anyway, please keep adding to this conversation. Thanks, Cheri :- )) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 I think I'm glad you have that option! It sound pretty serious. My sister just had to pass hers the usual way after the stone was broken. Her's was already " in route " so the stint probably wasn't an option. Good luck to you. Ks Di [ ] Re: HRT > > > > --- > Hi Ks Di, > > With the procedure I'm having with the Kidney stones being broke up-I > still have a stent/stint (not sure about the spelling) in that was > put in during a cysto. that was done to remove my latest painful > kidney stone- anyhow...with the stent in they will pass through that > after they are broken up (hopefully anyhow!). Just having them out > will be great after what I've been through. I don't know if that is > what you were talking about that they still needed to come out. > > God Bless, Sue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 I suspect the steroids didn't have a major effect. However, I doubt the chiro did anything more than push you over the brink.... a brink you were soon to go over any way. As we age, the extracellular matrix crosslinks, yellows (if examined at death), and stiffens. A stiff disk is a brittle disk. Cartilage and disks are composed of extracellular matrix as I recall. > > > I am in my early 40's and see my PCP regularly and receive > testosterone injections every two weeks (300MG)I feel ok with this, > except for a little decline in energy around day 10. Prior to this, I > went through an on-line consultation and was treated by an out of > state consulting place which was supposed to have a panel of expert > doctors who prescribe HRT therapy.(Bad idea, I know!!)The place was > shut down for various reasons. I was prescribed mostly compounded > testosterone (six weeks of it oral form-Halotestin), but also had > been prescribed nandrolone for about five months and stanozolol for > about six weeks. I since found that these should not be prescribed at > all for HRT. > > My question is does anyone know if any of these substances I took > could cause any adverse effects such as weakening of the spinal > disks. The reason I ask is that I received a severe injury (ruptured > disk at the T-6/7 level) during chiropractic treatment a few months > ago and had major surgery to correct the problem.I am in pending > litigation over this issue and fear that my HRT may be brought up as > an issue as I am an avid weight lifter. They will probably try to > portray me as a steroid user who was injured from lifting too much. > This is not the case at all. I have hypogonadism which is why I am on > testosterone. I have not heard of any testosterone or similar > substances having any effect on the spine structures. > > Any advice is welcome.....Thanks > > R > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Thank you for your reply. I suppose you may be right about the brittle disks. I have a difficult time remembering that I am not 25 anymore. I still enjoy the weight training, but I am trying to recover after this injury. I have been reading the posts concerning estrogen inhibitors. I may talk to my doctor about trying this also. I find at times I tend to hold a little fat around the outer chest area. Concernig these on-line clinics/pharmacies offering HRT therapy-Why are they allowed to operate at all if the doctor can't prescribe prescriptions to out of state patients? At least I now have a dependable PCP. Thanks All -I enjoy reading these posts. Rick betaine_hcl <no_reply > wrote: I suspect the steroids didn't have a major effect. However, I doubt the chiro did anything more than push you over the brink.... a brink you were soon to go over any way. As we age, the extracellular matrix crosslinks, yellows (if examined at death), and stiffens. A stiff disk is a brittle disk. Cartilage and disks are composed of extracellular matrix as I recall. > > > I am in my early 40's and see my PCP regularly and receive > testosterone injections every two weeks (300MG)I feel ok with this, > except for a little decline in energy around day 10. Prior to this, I > went through an on-line consultation and was treated by an out of > state consulting place which was supposed to have a panel of expert > doctors who prescribe HRT therapy.(Bad idea, I know!!)The place was > shut down for various reasons. I was prescribed mostly compounded > testosterone (six weeks of it oral form-Halotestin), but also had > been prescribed nandrolone for about five months and stanozolol for > about six weeks. I since found that these should not be prescribed at > all for HRT. > > My question is does anyone know if any of these substances I took > could cause any adverse effects such as weakening of the spinal > disks. The reason I ask is that I received a severe injury (ruptured > disk at the T-6/7 level) during chiropractic treatment a few months > ago and had major surgery to correct the problem.I am in pending > litigation over this issue and fear that my HRT may be brought up as > an issue as I am an avid weight lifter. They will probably try to > portray me as a steroid user who was injured from lifting too much. > This is not the case at all. I have hypogonadism which is why I am on > testosterone. I have not heard of any testosterone or similar > substances having any effect on the spine structures. > > Any advice is welcome.....Thanks > > R > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I understand about the weight training as I did it until age 40. I only talked once to one of these clinics representives. I was still getting checked out. And yes I am low down in 340 to 380 ng/dl as to testosterone as I recall. Also, my estrogen level was low. The rep indicated they were willing to work with a local Doc. I wonder if they would recommend someone??? The rep was sure happy to talk though he was so much in sales mode that I felt like talking to a boiler room commodities broker. ......... Dwight -- In , R E <intel_ice@y...> wrote: > > > Thank you for your reply. I suppose you may be right about the brittle disks. I have a difficult time remembering that I am not 25 anymore. I still enjoy the weight training, but I am trying to recover after this injury. > > I have been reading the posts concerning estrogen inhibitors. I may talk to my doctor about trying this also. I find at times I tend to hold a little fat around the outer chest area. > > Concernig these on-line clinics/pharmacies offering HRT therapy- Why are they allowed to operate at all if the doctor can't prescribe prescriptions to out of state patients? At least I now have a dependable PCP. > > Thanks All -I enjoy reading these posts. > > Rick > > > > > > > > betaine_hcl <no_reply > wrote: I suspect the steroids didn't have a major effect. > However, I doubt the chiro did anything > more than push you over the brink.... > a brink you were soon to go over any way. > As we age, the extracellular matrix crosslinks, > yellows (if examined at death), and stiffens. > A stiff disk is a brittle disk. Cartilage and > disks are composed of extracellular matrix > as I recall. > > > > > > > > > > I am in my early 40's and see my PCP regularly and receive > > testosterone injections every two weeks (300MG)I feel ok with this, > > except for a little decline in energy around day 10. Prior to this, > I > > went through an on-line consultation and was treated by an out of > > state consulting place which was supposed to have a panel of expert > > doctors who prescribe HRT therapy.(Bad idea, I know!!)The place was > > shut down for various reasons. I was prescribed mostly compounded > > testosterone (six weeks of it oral form-Halotestin), but also had > > been prescribed nandrolone for about five months and stanozolol for > > about six weeks. I since found that these should not be prescribed > at > > all for HRT. > > > > My question is does anyone know if any of these substances I took > > could cause any adverse effects such as weakening of the spinal > > disks. The reason I ask is that I received a severe injury > (ruptured > > disk at the T-6/7 level) during chiropractic treatment a few months > > ago and had major surgery to correct the problem.I am in pending > > litigation over this issue and fear that my HRT may be brought up > as > > an issue as I am an avid weight lifter. They will probably try to > > portray me as a steroid user who was injured from lifting too much. > > This is not the case at all. I have hypogonadism which is why I am > on > > testosterone. I have not heard of any testosterone or similar > > substances having any effect on the spine structures. > > > > Any advice is welcome.....Thanks > > > > R > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 A long time ago the Gov. put a stop to them and the sites are old. You can work with some Dr.'s they charge a fee and will work with your DR. over the phone. One is a dam good Dr. . http://www.allthingsmale.com/ If you go there read his TRT:A Recipe for Success and his HCG Update. I printed this out and gave it to my DR. and told him I need to try this. This time last yr. I had very bad pain in my joints and muscles. My back was so back I could hardly walk. I started on Dr. 's treatment with my Dr. the first of this yr. Today I am down 65 lbs doing Weight Watchers program and I walk one hr. a day and work out 2 hrs. in the gym 3 days a week. I now have very little back pain and my joints and muscles are back to normal. In my case it was the gels they did not get my levels up high enough or did not get the T to my joints and muscles. After starting on shots every week my pain started getting much better and fast. Phil R E <intel_ice@...> wrote: Thank you for your reply. I suppose you may be right about the brittle disks. I have a difficult time remembering that I am not 25 anymore. I still enjoy the weight training, but I am trying to recover after this injury. I have been reading the posts concerning estrogen inhibitors. I may talk to my doctor about trying this also. I find at times I tend to hold a little fat around the outer chest area. Concernig these on-line clinics/pharmacies offering HRT therapy-Why are they allowed to operate at all if the doctor can't prescribe prescriptions to out of state patients? At least I now have a dependable PCP. Thanks All -I enjoy reading these posts. Rick betaine_hcl <no_reply > wrote: I suspect the steroids didn't have a major effect. However, I doubt the chiro did anything more than push you over the brink.... a brink you were soon to go over any way. As we age, the extracellular matrix crosslinks, yellows (if examined at death), and stiffens. A stiff disk is a brittle disk. Cartilage and disks are composed of extracellular matrix as I recall. > > > I am in my early 40's and see my PCP regularly and receive > testosterone injections every two weeks (300MG)I feel ok with this, > except for a little decline in energy around day 10. Prior to this, I > went through an on-line consultation and was treated by an out of > state consulting place which was supposed to have a panel of expert > doctors who prescribe HRT therapy.(Bad idea, I know!!)The place was > shut down for various reasons. I was prescribed mostly compounded > testosterone (six weeks of it oral form-Halotestin), but also had > been prescribed nandrolone for about five months and stanozolol for > about six weeks. I since found that these should not be prescribed at > all for HRT. > > My question is does anyone know if any of these substances I took > could cause any adverse effects such as weakening of the spinal > disks. The reason I ask is that I received a severe injury (ruptured > disk at the T-6/7 level) during chiropractic treatment a few months > ago and had major surgery to correct the problem.I am in pending > litigation over this issue and fear that my HRT may be brought up as > an issue as I am an avid weight lifter. They will probably try to > portray me as a steroid user who was injured from lifting too much. > This is not the case at all. I have hypogonadism which is why I am on > testosterone. I have not heard of any testosterone or similar > substances having any effect on the spine structures. > > Any advice is welcome.....Thanks > > R > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 I'd suspect low bone density from low T from before you started TRT. Did you ever get a bone density check? On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:02:17 -0000, you wrote: >I suspect the steroids didn't have a major effect. >However, I doubt the chiro did anything >more than push you over the brink.... >a brink you were soon to go over any way. >As we age, the extracellular matrix crosslinks, >yellows (if examined at death), and stiffens. >A stiff disk is a brittle disk. Cartilage and >disks are composed of extracellular matrix >as I recall. > > > > >> >> >> I am in my early 40's and see my PCP regularly and receive >> testosterone injections every two weeks (300MG)I feel ok with this, >> except for a little decline in energy around day 10. Prior to this, >I >> went through an on-line consultation and was treated by an out of >> state consulting place which was supposed to have a panel of expert >> doctors who prescribe HRT therapy.(Bad idea, I know!!)The place was >> shut down for various reasons. I was prescribed mostly compounded >> testosterone (six weeks of it oral form-Halotestin), but also had >> been prescribed nandrolone for about five months and stanozolol for >> about six weeks. I since found that these should not be prescribed >at >> all for HRT. >> >> My question is does anyone know if any of these substances I took >> could cause any adverse effects such as weakening of the spinal >> disks. The reason I ask is that I received a severe injury >(ruptured >> disk at the T-6/7 level) during chiropractic treatment a few months >> ago and had major surgery to correct the problem.I am in pending >> litigation over this issue and fear that my HRT may be brought up >as >> an issue as I am an avid weight lifter. They will probably try to >> portray me as a steroid user who was injured from lifting too much. >> This is not the case at all. I have hypogonadism which is why I am >on >> testosterone. I have not heard of any testosterone or similar >> substances having any effect on the spine structures. >> >> Any advice is welcome.....Thanks >> >> R >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 No, I never had a bone density test. My neurosurgeon who performed my surgery did say that my spinal coloum had a narrow canal, which may have contributed to the disk making more of a buldge into the main cord itself when my injury occurred. I will talk to my doctor about a bone density test. Does TRT help this problem or do I need some other therapy for this? Thanks, Rick retrogrouch@... wrote: I'd suspect low bone density from low T from before you started TRT. Did you ever get a bone density check? On Sun, 11 Dec 2005 09:02:17 -0000, you wrote: >I suspect the steroids didn't have a major effect. >However, I doubt the chiro did anything >more than push you over the brink.... >a brink you were soon to go over any way. >As we age, the extracellular matrix crosslinks, >yellows (if examined at death), and stiffens. >A stiff disk is a brittle disk. Cartilage and >disks are composed of extracellular matrix >as I recall. > > > > >> >> >> I am in my early 40's and see my PCP regularly and receive >> testosterone injections every two weeks (300MG)I feel ok with this, >> except for a little decline in energy around day 10. Prior to this, >I >> went through an on-line consultation and was treated by an out of >> state consulting place which was supposed to have a panel of expert >> doctors who prescribe HRT therapy.(Bad idea, I know!!)The place was >> shut down for various reasons. I was prescribed mostly compounded >> testosterone (six weeks of it oral form-Halotestin), but also had >> been prescribed nandrolone for about five months and stanozolol for >> about six weeks. I since found that these should not be prescribed >at >> all for HRT. >> >> My question is does anyone know if any of these substances I took >> could cause any adverse effects such as weakening of the spinal >> disks. The reason I ask is that I received a severe injury >(ruptured >> disk at the T-6/7 level) during chiropractic treatment a few months >> ago and had major surgery to correct the problem.I am in pending >> litigation over this issue and fear that my HRT may be brought up >as >> an issue as I am an avid weight lifter. They will probably try to >> portray me as a steroid user who was injured from lifting too much. >> This is not the case at all. I have hypogonadism which is why I am >on >> testosterone. I have not heard of any testosterone or similar >> substances having any effect on the spine structures. >> >> Any advice is welcome.....Thanks >> >> R >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Thanks Phil. I will go to this site for some information. I have a pretty good PCP who I go to for my therapy, but he will only give me a shot once every two weeks at a dose of 300mg. This works pretty well except for the tapering off at about day 10. I feel a little tired then. My doctor suggests a gel to use from day 10-14 between injections. Will this work? philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: A long time ago the Gov. put a stop to them and the sites are old. You can work with some Dr.'s they charge a fee and will work with your DR. over the phone. One is a dam good Dr. . http://www.allthingsmale.com/ If you go there read his TRT:A Recipe for Success and his HCG Update. I printed this out and gave it to my DR. and told him I need to try this. This time last yr. I had very bad pain in my joints and muscles. My back was so back I could hardly walk. I started on Dr. 's treatment with my Dr. the first of this yr. Today I am down 65 lbs doing Weight Watchers program and I walk one hr. a day and work out 2 hrs. in the gym 3 days a week. I now have very little back pain and my joints and muscles are back to normal. In my case it was the gels they did not get my levels up high enough or did not get the T to my joints and muscles. After starting on shots every week my pain started getting much better and fast. Phil R E <intel_ice@...> wrote: Thank you for your reply. I suppose you may be right about the brittle disks. I have a difficult time remembering that I am not 25 anymore. I still enjoy the weight training, but I am trying to recover after this injury. I have been reading the posts concerning estrogen inhibitors. I may talk to my doctor about trying this also. I find at times I tend to hold a little fat around the outer chest area. Concernig these on-line clinics/pharmacies offering HRT therapy-Why are they allowed to operate at all if the doctor can't prescribe prescriptions to out of state patients? At least I now have a dependable PCP. Thanks All -I enjoy reading these posts. Rick betaine_hcl <no_reply > wrote: I suspect the steroids didn't have a major effect. However, I doubt the chiro did anything more than push you over the brink.... a brink you were soon to go over any way. As we age, the extracellular matrix crosslinks, yellows (if examined at death), and stiffens. A stiff disk is a brittle disk. Cartilage and disks are composed of extracellular matrix as I recall. > > > I am in my early 40's and see my PCP regularly and receive > testosterone injections every two weeks (300MG)I feel ok with this, > except for a little decline in energy around day 10. Prior to this, I > went through an on-line consultation and was treated by an out of > state consulting place which was supposed to have a panel of expert > doctors who prescribe HRT therapy.(Bad idea, I know!!)The place was > shut down for various reasons. I was prescribed mostly compounded > testosterone (six weeks of it oral form-Halotestin), but also had > been prescribed nandrolone for about five months and stanozolol for > about six weeks. I since found that these should not be prescribed at > all for HRT. > > My question is does anyone know if any of these substances I took > could cause any adverse effects such as weakening of the spinal > disks. The reason I ask is that I received a severe injury (ruptured > disk at the T-6/7 level) during chiropractic treatment a few months > ago and had major surgery to correct the problem.I am in pending > litigation over this issue and fear that my HRT may be brought up as > an issue as I am an avid weight lifter. They will probably try to > portray me as a steroid user who was injured from lifting too much. > This is not the case at all. I have hypogonadism which is why I am on > testosterone. I have not heard of any testosterone or similar > substances having any effect on the spine structures. > > Any advice is welcome.....Thanks > > R > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Oh yes, the sales reps. Wonderful people that they are, I feel that they push products a little too much. I think they are more interested in selling enough products to stock a pharmacy than they are in genuinely helping one out with a LEGITIMATE TRT program. I think for now, I will stick to my local PCP. I do plan to check out the site Phil recommended top me. I want to make sure my PCP is well informed. Thanks Dwight, Rick betaine_hcl <no_reply > wrote: I understand about the weight training as I did it until age 40. I only talked once to one of these clinics representives. I was still getting checked out. And yes I am low down in 340 to 380 ng/dl as to testosterone as I recall. Also, my estrogen level was low. The rep indicated they were willing to work with a local Doc. I wonder if they would recommend someone??? The rep was sure happy to talk though he was so much in sales mode that I felt like talking to a boiler room commodities broker. ......... Dwight -- In , R E <intel_ice@y...> wrote: > > > Thank you for your reply. I suppose you may be right about the brittle disks. I have a difficult time remembering that I am not 25 anymore. I still enjoy the weight training, but I am trying to recover after this injury. > > I have been reading the posts concerning estrogen inhibitors. I may talk to my doctor about trying this also. I find at times I tend to hold a little fat around the outer chest area. > > Concernig these on-line clinics/pharmacies offering HRT therapy- Why are they allowed to operate at all if the doctor can't prescribe prescriptions to out of state patients? At least I now have a dependable PCP. > > Thanks All -I enjoy reading these posts. > > Rick > > > > > > > > betaine_hcl <no_reply > wrote: I suspect the steroids didn't have a major effect. > However, I doubt the chiro did anything > more than push you over the brink.... > a brink you were soon to go over any way. > As we age, the extracellular matrix crosslinks, > yellows (if examined at death), and stiffens. > A stiff disk is a brittle disk. Cartilage and > disks are composed of extracellular matrix > as I recall. > > > > > > > > > > I am in my early 40's and see my PCP regularly and receive > > testosterone injections every two weeks (300MG)I feel ok with this, > > except for a little decline in energy around day 10. Prior to this, > I > > went through an on-line consultation and was treated by an out of > > state consulting place which was supposed to have a panel of expert > > doctors who prescribe HRT therapy.(Bad idea, I know!!)The place was > > shut down for various reasons. I was prescribed mostly compounded > > testosterone (six weeks of it oral form-Halotestin), but also had > > been prescribed nandrolone for about five months and stanozolol for > > about six weeks. I since found that these should not be prescribed > at > > all for HRT. > > > > My question is does anyone know if any of these substances I took > > could cause any adverse effects such as weakening of the spinal > > disks. The reason I ask is that I received a severe injury > (ruptured > > disk at the T-6/7 level) during chiropractic treatment a few months > > ago and had major surgery to correct the problem.I am in pending > > litigation over this issue and fear that my HRT may be brought up > as > > an issue as I am an avid weight lifter. They will probably try to > > portray me as a steroid user who was injured from lifting too much. > > This is not the case at all. I have hypogonadism which is why I am > on > > testosterone. I have not heard of any testosterone or similar > > substances having any effect on the spine structures. > > > > Any advice is welcome.....Thanks > > > > R > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:59:19 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >No, I never had a bone density test. My neurosurgeon who performed my surgery did say that my spinal coloum had a narrow canal, which may have contributed to the disk making more of a buldge into the main cord itself when my injury occurred. I will talk to my doctor about a bone density test. Does TRT help this problem or do I need some other therapy for this? Low testosterone can cause osteopenia or osteoporosis. Both just varying degrees of low bone density. Low bone density issues usually show them selves in the lower spine. I'm don't know enough to say your injury is from low T, compounded by it or that T will correct it. I can tell you I had osteopenia and cracked 8 ribs before starting TRT. Two years of TRT and massive amounts of milk, yogurt and supplements and I am back in normal bone density range. If you have low T and any bone issues I urge a bone density test. - - - - Just another albino black sheep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Not for me it did not bring me up like shots evey week do show him this link from the AACE Guildlines. http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf Print it out and high light the part about doing shots every 7 to 10 days to get one off the roller coaster ride. Phil R E <intel_ice@...> wrote: Thanks Phil. I will go to this site for some information. I have a pretty good PCP who I go to for my therapy, but he will only give me a shot once every two weeks at a dose of 300mg. This works pretty well except for the tapering off at about day 10. I feel a little tired then. My doctor suggests a gel to use from day 10-14 between injections. Will this work? philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote: A long time ago the Gov. put a stop to them and the sites are old. You can work with some Dr.'s they charge a fee and will work with your DR. over the phone. One is a dam good Dr. . http://www.allthingsmale.com/ If you go there read his TRT:A Recipe for Success and his HCG Update. I printed this out and gave it to my DR. and told him I need to try this. This time last yr. I had very bad pain in my joints and muscles. My back was so back I could hardly walk. I started on Dr. 's treatment with my Dr. the first of this yr. Today I am down 65 lbs doing Weight Watchers program and I walk one hr. a day and work out 2 hrs. in the gym 3 days a week. I now have very little back pain and my joints and muscles are back to normal. In my case it was the gels they did not get my levels up high enough or did not get the T to my joints and muscles. After starting on shots every week my pain started getting much better and fast. Phil R E <intel_ice@...> wrote: Thank you for your reply. I suppose you may be right about the brittle disks. I have a difficult time remembering that I am not 25 anymore. I still enjoy the weight training, but I am trying to recover after this injury. I have been reading the posts concerning estrogen inhibitors. I may talk to my doctor about trying this also. I find at times I tend to hold a little fat around the outer chest area. Concernig these on-line clinics/pharmacies offering HRT therapy-Why are they allowed to operate at all if the doctor can't prescribe prescriptions to out of state patients? At least I now have a dependable PCP. Thanks All -I enjoy reading these posts. Rick betaine_hcl <no_reply > wrote: I suspect the steroids didn't have a major effect. However, I doubt the chiro did anything more than push you over the brink.... a brink you were soon to go over any way. As we age, the extracellular matrix crosslinks, yellows (if examined at death), and stiffens. A stiff disk is a brittle disk. Cartilage and disks are composed of extracellular matrix as I recall. > > > I am in my early 40's and see my PCP regularly and receive > testosterone injections every two weeks (300MG)I feel ok with this, > except for a little decline in energy around day 10. Prior to this, I > went through an on-line consultation and was treated by an out of > state consulting place which was supposed to have a panel of expert > doctors who prescribe HRT therapy.(Bad idea, I know!!)The place was > shut down for various reasons. I was prescribed mostly compounded > testosterone (six weeks of it oral form-Halotestin), but also had > been prescribed nandrolone for about five months and stanozolol for > about six weeks. I since found that these should not be prescribed at > all for HRT. > > My question is does anyone know if any of these substances I took > could cause any adverse effects such as weakening of the spinal > disks. The reason I ask is that I received a severe injury (ruptured > disk at the T-6/7 level) during chiropractic treatment a few months > ago and had major surgery to correct the problem.I am in pending > litigation over this issue and fear that my HRT may be brought up as > an issue as I am an avid weight lifter. They will probably try to > portray me as a steroid user who was injured from lifting too much. > This is not the case at all. I have hypogonadism which is why I am on > testosterone. I have not heard of any testosterone or similar > substances having any effect on the spine structures. > > Any advice is welcome.....Thanks > > R > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 The way I read the medical lit, testosterone replacement would certainly be helpful. However, the common place PCP will likely prescribe something like Fosamax or another durg in that same class of drugs. If you go to an alternative Doc he may suggest large doses of vitamin D3, vitamin K2, a few other things, and perhaps some prohormones. In short, a dropping bone density is fine reason for testosterone replacement to be started, IMO. > >> > >> > >> I am in my early 40's and see my PCP regularly and receive > >> testosterone injections every two weeks (300MG)I feel ok with this, > >> except for a little decline in energy around day 10. Prior to this, > >I > >> went through an on-line consultation and was treated by an out of > >> state consulting place which was supposed to have a panel of expert > >> doctors who prescribe HRT therapy.(Bad idea, I know!!)The place was > >> shut down for various reasons. I was prescribed mostly compounded > >> testosterone (six weeks of it oral form-Halotestin), but also had > >> been prescribed nandrolone for about five months and stanozolol for > >> about six weeks. I since found that these should not be prescribed > >at > >> all for HRT. > >> > >> My question is does anyone know if any of these substances I took > >> could cause any adverse effects such as weakening of the spinal > >> disks. The reason I ask is that I received a severe injury > >(ruptured > >> disk at the T-6/7 level) during chiropractic treatment a few months > >> ago and had major surgery to correct the problem.I am in pending > >> litigation over this issue and fear that my HRT may be brought up > >as > >> an issue as I am an avid weight lifter. They will probably try to > >> portray me as a steroid user who was injured from lifting too much. > >> This is not the case at all. I have hypogonadism which is why I am > >on > >> testosterone. I have not heard of any testosterone or similar > >> substances having any effect on the spine structures. > >> > >> Any advice is welcome.....Thanks > >> > >> R > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2006 Report Share Posted August 8, 2006 No prescription for HRT but my son is only 8 years old. el. Evergreen Lee 397 Freeman Crescent, Oakville, ON L6H 4R4 Phone: 905 338-8762 Fax: 905 338-1157 Cell: 416 526-7581 >From: " capri542000 " <capri542000@...> >Reply-blepharophimosis >blepharophimosis >Subject: blepharophimosis HRT >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2006 21:26:14 -0000 > >Is there any body in the group who has been advised to take HRT as a >result of POF to combat osteoporosis.If so was this on the basis of >blood tests taken and are there any side effects? How long have you >been advised to take it for? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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