RE: HRT

[Guest guest]

>

> A doctor I'm seeing is encouraging me to go on HRT one called

Evista, I think

> it was. Has anyone tried it. Also at the RD's office there was a

notice

> informing Lupis patients to go on HRT. Anyone up to date on these

two

> subjects.

>

> Bev

Bev,

Before making your decision, I suggest that you read the book " What

Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause " by Lee, M.D. You

might be able to get it at your local library. Nobody knows your body

as well as you do and the information in this book will help you

determine what is right for you. I flare badly whenever I mess with

my hormones. I couldn't even take a very low dose of DHEA, which was

" prescribed " by an MD who is very much into nutritional and natural

remedies.

HTH,

Criss

[Guest guest]

Having considered alternative therapies, I tried a few that did not cure

my menopausal symptoms and I realized that I was continuing to lose bone,

so I went on synthetic HRT, Prempro, and I feel it has saved my life ( or

at least changed it for the better)

My moods now are wonderful, I sleep like a log, no more hot flashes or

drenching night sweats, I lost my stiffness that I had suffered so with,

and my joints improved about 80 percent. I gained much needed weight and

for the first time in months, I developed a wonderful appetite. I am happy

for the first time years.

The Roadback stated in its pamplet, check your horomone levels if you are

not seeing improivement on the AP. I wasn't seeing improvement, so I

checked them and I was way deficient in ALL hormones.

Since going on the Prempro, my labs are improving after two years of

antibiotic therapy .

Within three months of going on Prempro, I was back to the old me ( I

should say " young " as I feel at least 10 years younger.

Hormone replacement isn't for everyone, but it was like a miracle for me.

At 04:23 PM 5/25/2001 +0000, you wrote:

>

>>

>> A doctor I'm seeing is encouraging me to go on HRT one called

>Evista, I think

>> it was. Has anyone tried it. Also at the RD's office there was a

>notice

>> informing Lupis patients to go on HRT. Anyone up to date on these

>two

>> subjects.

>>

>> Bev

>

>Bev,

>

>Before making your decision, I suggest that you read the book " What

>Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause " by Lee, M.D. You

>might be able to get it at your local library. Nobody knows your body

>as well as you do and the information in this book will help you

>determine what is right for you. I flare badly whenever I mess with

>my hormones. I couldn't even take a very low dose of DHEA, which was

> " prescribed " by an MD who is very much into nutritional and natural

>remedies.

>

>HTH,

>Criss

>

>

>To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<< I had visited a compounding pharmacy and they talked about plant based

estrogens, etc. I think I might see how my doctor feels about me

investigating that.....with maybe a bit of testosterone..... >>

Hi ,

I had a total hysterectomy when I was 31, and have tried many types of HRT.

I know that certain hormone combinations seem to exacerbate my RA, while

others help it. Emotionally, HRT has really made a difference for me. I

use natural compounded hormones, and highly recommend them. We tried many

combinations of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone and I've finally

ended up with .625 bi-est, 125 mg Progesterone. I have topical testosterone

but don't use it too often. It makes me irritable. I think in a nutshell

estrogen is the hormone of energy, progesterone is calming, and testosterone

helps with depression but can make you aggressive. Testosterone helps with

sex drive, but progesterone actually helped mine more. Everyone's needs are

different, though, and the compounding pharmacist did a consult with me, and

my MD prescribed his recommendations. After that we just tweaked it based

on my response. I feel good about using hormones that are biologically

identical to what my body produced, rather than the Premarin. Also, natural

progesterone is much different than progestins (which can have bad side

effects).

Oh, my doctor didn't know anything about natural compounded hormones, but

ended up learning a lot through my experience. I'm grateful to have such an

open minded MD. You can assure your Dr. that the compounding pharmacist

makes the recommendations, all the Dr. has to do is sign the prescription

and do the necessary exams, etc.

A great website for hormone related issues is http://www.hormonejungle.com

<http://www.hormonejungle.com/> .

If you have any other questions, just let me know.

Hugs,

Carol

Re: Re Hormone Replacement

,

Sorry about my delay in replying. I've only been on Premarin for about 2

years....Had My uterus removed in 1984...Still have Ovaries and tubes. ..My

Gynecologist said I was a prime candidate for them. ( Premarin )..because of

not having a uterus.

I can only speak for myself...But while I was taking them my RA seemed to

be better....There are other natural herbal remedies that you can find at

any health food store. I'm thinking about trying them.

My biggest fear of the Premarin is Stroke and blood clots. Seems like

everything we take to feel better has so many risk.

was there a particular reason your DR wanted you to try and ween

yourself off it ?. Six years does not seem that long of a period to be on

it... In my view.

Gail

Re: Hormone Replacement Linked to Gallbladder Cancer

Ohhhhh My, I just had to go back on my Premarin*0.625mg yesterday.....been

on them off and on for about 2 years....BUT I have had my gallbladder

removed. Thought I could make it without them...But I do think they help

my

RA some.

What's next????...Now French-fries and potato chips might cause cancer.

Glad

I'm not fond of either of those.

Hope all of you had a good nights rest and feel better today.

Gail :-)

[Guest guest]

hi all......i am doing it all naturally and so far it has been amazing....i

use a menopause supplement with about ten ingredients...sweats are

gone...feel quite good..my doctor refused me HRT for family history reasons

and i have to admit i am pretty impressed with the combination i take...been

on it for a year now....

just a share

Sam

Re: Hormone Replacement Linked to Gallbladder Cancer

>

> Ohhhhh My, I just had to go back on my Premarin*0.625mg

yesterday.....been

> on them off and on for about 2 years....BUT I have had my gallbladder

> removed. Thought I could make it without them...But I do think they help

> my

> RA some.

>

> What's next????...Now French-fries and potato chips might cause cancer.

> Glad

> I'm not fond of either of those.

>

> Hope all of you had a good nights rest and feel better today.

>

> Gail :-)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Carol & Sam,

I am so glad to hear that you are successful with your natural hormone

therapies. I am very concerned

at the way woman are prescribed HRT¹s even if they don¹t have symptoms or

only have mild

symptoms. It is a very well known fact that HRT¹s seriously increase the

risk for breast cancer

for those on HRT for more than 5 years. Even the hype that it increases

bone mineral density

is a bunch of bunk because after the first few years, there is no benefit.

When my period stopped suddenly

last year, the first thing my doctor wanted to do was give me estrogen. I

refused. I¹ve never had any

symptoms, so why take another drug? Mother nature intended for my hormone

levels to drop and unless

I have unmanageable symptoms I¹ll never take them. Some people have no

choice, but for those that do,

I wish they would explore things other than premarin and related drugs. I

feel so bad for those poor

horses that are used to make premarin.

Sam I¹d love to know what you use. I¹ve been reading up on alternatives for

a few friends of mine.

a

[Guest guest]

hahah goodness grabs glasses and still can hardly see the print on the

label..

it is called meno plus made by a canadian comapny american owned...(no

longer in production husband works at office so got me 4 years supply)))but

it haswild yam tumeric(for the ra which is a bonus)) red clover...ostivone

isaflavones and soy isisaflavones for the bones..balck cohosh......plus i

take a combination of 15 herbs put together by my chinese doctor ...i also

take all the other supplements for ra...goodness i spend my day swalling

herbs and doxy...and 3000 mg evening primrose oil for both situations...

thanks for the info about the html situation..certainly understandable...

sincerely

sam((and still no caps for the hands...save em anyway i can.hehe

Re: [ ] HRT

Carol & Sam,

I am so glad to hear that you are successful with your natural hormone

therapies. I am very concerned

at the way woman are prescribed HRT¹s even if they don¹t have symptoms or

only have mild

symptoms. It is a very well known fact that HRT¹s seriously increase the

risk for breast cancer

for those on HRT for more than 5 years. Even the hype that it increases

bone mineral density

is a bunch of bunk because after the first few years, there is no benefit.

When my period stopped suddenly

last year, the first thing my doctor wanted to do was give me estrogen. I

refused. I¹ve never had any

symptoms, so why take another drug? Mother nature intended for my hormone

levels to drop and unless

I have unmanageable symptoms I¹ll never take them. Some people have no

choice, but for those that do,

I wish they would explore things other than premarin and related drugs. I

feel so bad for those poor

horses that are used to make premarin.

Sam I¹d love to know what you use. I¹ve been reading up on alternatives for

a few friends of mine.

a

[Guest guest]

Sam,

Don¹t worry about caps. Most people here have achy hands and try to

preserve fingers.

Thanks for the info. You¹re lucky to have access to a Chinese doctor. I

would love to find one as I believe in their ability to help. There was a

Chinese doctor that claimed to cure breast cancer even in the end stages, so

they brought him here and let him use his herbs on 10 end stage breast

cancer woman. But the FDA wouldn't allow him to use a lot of what he wanted

to use. Pretty stupid if you ask me. These woman were dying and wanted to

take the herbs. I don¹t think the government had the right to stop them.

Even though the doctor was limited, the results were still very impressive.

a

> hahah goodness grabs glasses and still can hardly see the print on the

> label..

>

> it is called meno plus made by a canadian comapny american owned...(no

> longer in production husband works at office so got me 4 years supply)))but

> it haswild yam tumeric(for the ra which is a bonus)) red clover...ostivone

> isaflavones and soy isisaflavones for the bones..balck cohosh......plus i

> take a combination of 15 herbs put together by my chinese doctor ...i also

> take all the other supplements for ra...goodness i spend my day swalling

> herbs and doxy...and 3000 mg evening primrose oil for both situations...

>

> thanks for the info about the html situation..certainly understandable...

>

> sincerely

> sam((and still no caps for the hands...save em anyway i can.hehe

>

>

> Re: [ ] HRT

>

>

> Carol & Sam,

> I am so glad to hear that you are successful with your natural hormone

> therapies. I am very concerned

> at the way woman are prescribed HRT¹s even if they don¹t have symptoms or

> only have mild

> symptoms. It is a very well known fact that HRT¹s seriously increase the

> risk for breast cancer

> for those on HRT for more than 5 years. Even the hype that it increases

> bone mineral density

> is a bunch of bunk because after the first few years, there is no benefit.

> When my period stopped suddenly

> last year, the first thing my doctor wanted to do was give me estrogen. I

> refused. I¹ve never had any

> symptoms, so why take another drug? Mother nature intended for my hormone

> levels to drop and unless

> I have unmanageable symptoms I¹ll never take them. Some people have no

> choice, but for those that do,

> I wish they would explore things other than premarin and related drugs. I

> feel so bad for those poor

> horses that are used to make premarin.

>

> Sam I¹d love to know what you use. I¹ve been reading up on alternatives for

> a few friends of mine.

> a

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am really concerned about this study. You say that the Canadian health

agency is recommending black cohosh. I am taking natural HRT from a

compounded pharmacist. My estrogen is soy derived, and my progesterone is

from natural sources and is bio identical. I take the lowest dosage I can

tolerate. Should I be OK?

I think I will talk it over with my MD on my next regular visit.

Any thoughts?

Hugs,

Carol

[ ]

hi there..

just sitting here in a daze as the meds kick in...

two points..to those who were talking about hrt...the canadian health

goverment agency has come out today and said outright to take black cohosh

instead of hrt..and some other herb....they are really touting the herbal

remedy based upon consequences of hrt...hope this does not alarm anyone on

hrt...just i had been talking about some herbal things i was taking and was

nice to see it reinforced..gee wonder when the pharmaceuticals will come in

and make side effects of winged ears for us...oh sorry that is

cloning..hahaa

also on the legal situation regarding the appeal...may i ask what point of

law they are appealing on and have you looked up the statue law they are

appealing on....and what was the point of law the judge may his

determination upon...or does statue law not apply in this case in usa...jsut

trying to figure out what they got up their sleeves other than slime...how

do they live with themselves..??

well friends..i think of you and your situations..pray for calmer weather

that does not drain us..strange..weather used to be something enjoyed rather

than tolerated...but i dont think it is just for us sufferers of ra..and

those air conditioning bills....oh mYYYYYYYYYY.....had it going steady for a

month now....

in manitoba there are hardly any children playing outside for all the

mosquitoes and the worry of west nile virus..one cannot walk through the

garden without welts from the critters...children complaining of headaches

and lethargy....goodness...

i hope we all get a day where we all feel some kind of good...

well i am tired....hands are weary...funny how we keep pushing our pained

bodies huh...

hugs to all of you

sam

[Guest guest]

hi

i cant answer that...i forwarded two emails this morning..i only caught part

of the news..however...i have mentioned my husband works in a herbal company

canadian...owned american....and it is like they knew this report was going

to come out and production has skyrocketed...

natural hormone replacement is the way they want you to go....i think what

they are conveying is to go natural..because of the side effects...

plant sources that stimulate the production of hormones or contain actual

hormonal substances...

i think is the summary...personally i would not concern myself if that is

what you are taking

hope this helps

sam

[ ]

>

> hi there..

>

> just sitting here in a daze as the meds kick in...

>

> two points..to those who were talking about hrt...the canadian health

> goverment agency has come out today and said outright to take black cohosh

> instead of hrt..and some other herb....they are really touting the herbal

> remedy based upon consequences of hrt...hope this does not alarm anyone on

> hrt...just i had been talking about some herbal things i was taking and

was

> nice to see it reinforced..gee wonder when the pharmaceuticals will come

in

> and make side effects of winged ears for us...oh sorry that is

> cloning..hahaa

>

> also on the legal situation regarding the appeal...may i ask what point of

> law they are appealing on and have you looked up the statue law they are

> appealing on....and what was the point of law the judge may his

> determination upon...or does statue law not apply in this case in

usa...jsut

> trying to figure out what they got up their sleeves other than slime...how

> do they live with themselves..??

>

> well friends..i think of you and your situations..pray for calmer weather

> that does not drain us..strange..weather used to be something enjoyed

rather

> than tolerated...but i dont think it is just for us sufferers of ra..and

> those air conditioning bills....oh mYYYYYYYYYY.....had it going steady for

a

> month now....

>

> in manitoba there are hardly any children playing outside for all the

> mosquitoes and the worry of west nile virus..one cannot walk through the

> garden without welts from the critters...children complaining of headaches

> and lethargy....goodness...

> i hope we all get a day where we all feel some kind of good...

> well i am tired....hands are weary...funny how we keep pushing our pained

> bodies huh...

>

> hugs to all of you

> sam

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have a question for any women that are taking HRT. I don't know if this is a

coincidence or it is just me but ever since I had a hysterectomy a little over a

year ago and started HRT my PA has really gotten worse. Can anyone here relate

to this?

Janet

[Guest guest]

Janet,

I never noticed that before but come to think of it...mine got a lot worse after

my hysterectomy and HRT!! I had a very bad flare-up of psoriasis and couldn't

figure out why. I am on MTX and it seems to be getting it under control. For

the first time in YEARS I don't feel I have to hide my hands and legs because

they are so horrible looking. Now if it would just help with the joint pain I

would be very happy!!

Robin, Penny, Chance, Heidi, and Hope (Florida)

http://www.geocities.com/goldens4life2000/index.html

-

[Guest guest]

Janet,

I had a hysterectomy at 27, which is 28 years ago. Directly after the

surgery I had many strange illnesses the Dr's could not " put their finger on "

, but I was very very sick. No ps, just hurt & sick all over. I did get

sent to a Rheumy who noted that I had very high sed rates and put me on

Trilisate until if affected my hearing. At that time they thought I had

Lupus, but the test were negative. I have taken HRT for 28 years, recently I

tried to stop taking it. One day I counted 30 hot flashes in one day - not

worth it. I was not formally diagnosed until last year when my sausage toes

became so bad they thought I had osteomyelitis. Don;'t know if this helps

.... but that is what happened to me.

Gentle Hugs,

Carol

[Guest guest]

I tried HRT before the beginning of my current flare and stopped because of

bleeding problems. Several years later I tried again and stopped after

three days because I could barely move. When I was having periods I felt

worse when they were about to start. I believe my current flare of four or

five years was made worse by menopause and further made worse by knee

replacement surgery. Anne

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moderator 2 cents: Doctors are getting away from hormone replacement saying it

is better to do without. Something about stroke and heart attack percentages. My

Mom just tossed her Premarin on doctor's orders. PatB

Re: [ ] Re: HRT

I have a question for any women that are taking HRT. I don't know if this

is a coincidence or it is just me but ever since I had a hysterectomy a

little over a year ago and started HRT my PA has really gotten worse. Can

anyone here relate to this?

Janet

[Guest guest]

i was on the pill when i was diagnosed and my rheumy told me that the birth

control pill is actually contraindicated for people with ra/ pa. the

hormone level makes the arthritis worse. i found that the week that i

menstruated [and therefore was off the pill] was always the worse. remicade

has alleviated any pain fluctuations during my cycle, however.

jenn

[Guest guest]

Janet,

I had a hysterectomy in 2000 and I am on Premarin by itself because they took

everything with the surgery. I had started MTX six months before that. I

know the PA has progressed ever since. I relate to the night sweats, the

swelling, everything. They won't take me off the Premarin until I am in my

50s because I was only 41 when I had the surgery. I don't think it is

necessarily the Premarin that it the cause of the PA progression, but I think

more because of the stress of the surgery itself. The Enbrel has changed all

of that.

Carol in Vancouver, Washington

In a message dated 2/28/03 4:07:38 AM Pacific Standard Time, fam24@...

writes:

> I have a question for any women that are taking HRT. I don't know if this

> is a coincidence or it is just me but ever since I had a hysterectomy a

> little over a year ago and started HRT my PA has really gotten worse. Can

> anyone here relate to this?

> Janet

[Guest guest]

<< i was on the pill when i was diagnosed and my rheumy told me that

the birth control pill is actually contraindicated for people with ra/ pa.

the hormone level makes the arthritis worse. i found that the week

that i menstruated [and therefore was off the pill] was always the

worse. remicade has alleviated any pain fluctuations during my cycle, however.

jenn>>

I tried HRT and had severe pain from the waist down. I'll take the

hot flashes anyday to the pain!

[Guest guest]

Concerning HRT. When I was initially put on HRT, I lived in

Singapore and went to a Canadian GYN. She put me on the lowest dose

of HRT--she said let's start low and see if it works. When I

returned to live in the States, I tried to get this particular brand

of HRT, and found out that it was made in the UK and it was not

formulated for here in the US. So, my GYN here put me on Prempro. I

immediately gained extra lbs. Then, I later started on MTX and had

much breaktrough bleeding. Turns out that MTX and some HRT don't work

well together. My GYN then put me on the patch, which worked fine.

Before I was able to get in to see her tho, I " cold-turkeyed " off the

Prempro and had terrible hot flashes. But, not too long ago, I

started reading where in the US, particularly, they tend to

overmedicate when it comes to HRT. So, I decided to back down the

amount of HRT (I tend to self medicate frequently). So now, instead

of using 1 patch 2Xweek, I cut the patch in 1/2 and use the 1/2 patch

once a week--in essence, only 1/4 what the " normal " dose should be.

That is enough to do the trick and no more hot flashes. I thought I

could stand the hot flases too, but I was waking up many times during

the night with them.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Sandy,

You are right, I thought I could handle the hot flashes, until I went to

winter Christmas concert, and nearly sweated off my makeup?? I couldn't

sleep, etc. I went to 3 weeks, and it only got worse, so I went back on a

lower dose and things were fine.

I think Dr's do overmedicate, but this was no joke to me, I was under severe

stress, so the timing was bad to stop, also.

Carol

[Guest guest]

Sandy

I should have said that I also take a much smaller dose than I was first started

on. Also, I only take estradial. I began taking a half of the original dosage

then cut that to 1/4. It keeps hot flashes at bay which is the main reason I

take it at all. I have enough heat issues with PA (ie. my feet are miserable

when I am too warm) that I don't think I could survive a hot flash. I know the

research is leaning toward not taking it any more but I am going to keep doing

it for as long as I can.

Cheri

[Guest guest]

Judi I read an article either at the first of the year, of before

Christmas that said something about if they gave you HRT for " bone

loss " , that by...I believe...2 years after starting it, (or was it 3??)

that you build up about 1/3. But after that time, you DO NOT build

anymore. They stated they do not know why this is.

And they suggested that if that was why you were on it, and your other

" symptoms " were not really severe...that you should get off it then.

Has anyone else read this article? Now that you said this, Judi, I would

like to see the article again!

Susie

mormar46 wrote:

> Heard an interesting piece on the news last night about HRT, and now

> they have found that even one year on the estrogen/progestin therapy

> can cause stress incontinence. (They didn't say if it was permanent

> when or if you discontinue HRT.) Great. We may have traded hot

> flashes for Depends. I think I will go over and pee on my former

> doctor's shoes.

>

> Have a terrific day!

>

> Judi

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Here is what you heard on the news Judi:

Study: HRT Could Lead To Increased Incontinence

http://www.wnbc.com/health/2188463/detail.html

Instead of peeing on the doctors, the pharmaceutical companies that made

billions off of these drugs need to be peed on. I believe most doctors

thought they were doing the right thing by prescribing HRT. But I wonder

how much the pharmaceutical companies knew and didn¹t tell doctors or

patients.

a

> Heard an interesting piece on the news last night about HRT, and now

> they have found that even one year on the estrogen/progestin therapy

> can cause stress incontinence. (They didn't say if it was permanent

> when or if you discontinue HRT.) Great. We may have traded hot

> flashes for Depends. I think I will go over and pee on my former

> doctor's shoes.

>

> Have a terrific day!

>

> Judi

[Guest guest]

Hi a,

Yes I agree that the pharmaceuical companies are equally to blame,

and I used to work for one. But my former doctor was big on handing

out samples, dependng, I think, on who had called on him the most

recently. Makes me think there is some kind of back scratching going

on. On one visit, he gave everyone in the waiting room sample bags

of Vioxx. Two weeks later when I was there, it was Allegra. He is a

young doctor, and only in practice here a few years.

My current pcp is a, um, mature man (about my age) and is more

cautious about what he prescribes. He seems to limit his sample dole

to the tried and true pharmaceuticals, and giving them to people

(like my daughter) whom he knows can't afford to purchase them, like

the Z-pak antibiotics.

On one of the links posted yesterday, I found that Vitamin E cream is

just as effective for vaginal dryness, so I am going to take myself

off the Premarin cream and use the Vit. E. I prefer natural remedies

when at all possible.

Thanks for sharing,

Judi

[Guest guest]

Judi,

You are so right. There is WAY to much back scratching going on.

Doctors are being wined, dined, and sent on luxurious vacations by drug

companies wanting them to prescribe their medication. It sickens me and

causes distrust.

They spend billions on advertising, money that could help so many people.

Samples are great for people that can't afford medication and to try meds

before getting a prescription filled.

In this country menopause is treated as a disease rather than a perfectly

normal occurrence. For thousands of years woman went through menopause

without drugs. I hope now that the dangers of HRT has been exposed, doctors

will reserve prescribing it for those with severe symptoms. I also hope

they are learning non-pharmaceutical methods of treatment. I hope the

vitamin E helps.

a

> Hi a,

>

> Yes I agree that the pharmaceuical companies are equally to blame,

> and I used to work for one. But my former doctor was big on handing

> out samples, dependng, I think, on who had called on him the most

> recently. Makes me think there is some kind of back scratching going

> on. On one visit, he gave everyone in the waiting room sample bags

> of Vioxx. Two weeks later when I was there, it was Allegra. He is a

> young doctor, and only in practice here a few years.

>

> My current pcp is a, um, mature man (about my age) and is more

> cautious about what he prescribes. He seems to limit his sample dole

> to the tried and true pharmaceuticals, and giving them to people

> (like my daughter) whom he knows can't afford to purchase them, like

> the Z-pak antibiotics.

>

> On one of the links posted yesterday, I found that Vitamin E cream is

> just as effective for vaginal dryness, so I am going to take myself

> off the Premarin cream and use the Vit. E. I prefer natural remedies

> when at all possible.

>

> Thanks for sharing,

> Judi

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Retro you sould talk to about this

she is up on all of this. She comes here form time to time but you

can find her at this link. Alt-

Support-Impotence-ASI/------

Hi Phil, Thanks for the endorsement, but didn't know I resided

permanently on the impotence support group! If this has been my

final destination, I must really need to get a life! LOL

I'll round up the info your wife wants to know, Retro, along with

sources, and send it to you privately. I'm always glad to spread the

word to other women about effective and safe HRT, since this

information is unlikely to be forthcoming from the gyn community.

(If it steers a few other women off the 10 yr downhill path I was

directed onto, it is worth the time.)

I belong to some 200+ forums of a variety of interests, on and

elsewhere on the net, and I wander amongst them.

Most reliable means of contacting me is via email at

rsummers@...

(rsummers @ emailaccount. com)

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Would you please also send me the info. I need it for my mother. My e-

mail is georgeba@...

Thanks,

Hi Retro you sould talk to about

this

> she is up on all of this. She comes here form time to time but you

> can find her at this link. Alt-

> Support-Impotence-ASI/------

>

> Hi Phil, Thanks for the endorsement, but didn't know I resided

> permanently on the impotence support group! If this has been my

> final destination, I must really need to get a life! LOL

>

> I'll round up the info your wife wants to know, Retro, along with

> sources, and send it to you privately. I'm always glad to spread

the

> word to other women about effective and safe HRT, since this

> information is unlikely to be forthcoming from the gyn community.

> (If it steers a few other women off the 10 yr downhill path I was

> directed onto, it is worth the time.)

>

> I belong to some 200+ forums of a variety of interests, on

and

> elsewhere on the net, and I wander amongst them.

> Most reliable means of contacting me is via email at

> rsummers@e...

> (rsummers @ emailaccount. com)

>

>