Re: your unvax child and new borns

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In a message dated 1/3/02 7:13:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, @...

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<< Goldmeer (ducking to avoid being hit by tomatoes from all the moms

who

had 42 hour labors....) >>

Wow! Did you have any homebirths? I was in hard labor for over 52 hours

with #1 before I had my c-section. Her heart rate dropped and wasn't coming

back up and I spiked a high fever. #2 my water broke with meconium. No

contracts and I refused pit because of my previous c-section and so after

awhile her heart rate was doing weird things so off for another c-section.

Although I never really labored at all with #2 or #3, my first made up for

it. I would like to have another baby in a couple of years and once again I

am going to (try) to have a vaginal baby.

Tami

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In a message dated 1/3/02 8:19:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Trentonsmom@... writes:

<< > WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!! i was on pain meds for 3 weeks with mine!!!! how

did

> you manage that?? >>

LOL I don't know! It was funny because this last c-section the nurse came in

to put some drugs in my iv and I said that I don't need any, I am fine. And

she looked at me and said " please humor me and take this just in case " I

declined. That seemed so silly to want me to take something when I didn't

need it. Now when my milk came in and I got so full that my back was burning

so bad I took advil for days 3 and 4. My back hurt worse than my stomach

did, go figure!

Tami

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In a message dated 1/3/02 10:18:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

meeker68@... writes:

<< I'm going to find a dr. that is VBAC

friendly, or deliver at home!!! >>

This is a neccesity in my book. If you don't have a dr. that supports you

for a vbac or even encourages you then I would be looking for a new dr. My

ob was awesome(except for asking me if I wanted pitocin which is a no no if

you had a previous section-still don't know what she was thinking, good thing

I was! LOL)

When you look at the rupture rates most of them are because labor inducing

drugs were used whether it be pitocin, gel ect. Those things cause our

uterus to have supernatural contractions which can cause ruptures.

Tami

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WOW!! I decided just to ahve the repeat c-section the second time. I was

way too scared!! I hope all works for you. My ob also told me it was not

good to have any anesthesia as this blocks your pain that something could be

wrong, such as a rupture!

x * x :._.:*x x x*:._x . :

Happy New Year

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pain meds & c-sections...

ok, ladies, you are making me feel like the major wimp ... I had painkillers for

a week with a vaginal birth .... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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, I have the answer. Have a baby as an older mum! I had my little

girl at 42, and had a five-hour-start-to-finish labour, no pain relief

except essential oils and a bit of shiatsu and sustained only a minor

graze... I reckon it's all those muscles that get floppy as you get older -

they stretch easier!! )

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" The soul would have no rainbow if the eyes had no tears " - Minquass proverb

> Re: your unvax child and new borns

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> pain meds & c-sections...

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> ok, ladies, you are making me feel like the major wimp ... I had

> painkillers for a week with a vaginal birth .... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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lmbo, sue, hahaha .... well, I don't want to be having a baby much past 35 (it

works for some, but at 31, I have 3 degenerative discs... I can't see it

getting better over time). I'd like to have another one this year, and my goal

is to contact Homefirst, and see if I could manage a homebirth. (see CHICKEN in

the dictionary for a detailed description of ME) lol

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<<, I have the answer. Have a baby as an older mum! I had my little

girl at 42, and had a five-hour-start-to-finish labour, no pain relief

except essential oils and a bit of shiatsu and sustained only a minor

graze... I reckon it's all those muscles that get floppy as you get older -

they stretch easier!! )>>

Oh, I don't know... I've had four... at 20 I had a six hour labor with ten

pushes, not tears, cuts, or even a graze... at 24 I had a three hour labor

with 3 pushes... at 26 I had a 1-1/2 hour labor with 2 pushes, and at 29 I

had a 20 minute labor with one push.... I think a lot is how you're built,

and the rest is education.

Goldmeer (ducking to avoid being hit by tomatoes from all the moms who

had 42 hour labors....)

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> <<, I have the answer. Have a baby as an older mum! I had my little

> girl at 42, and had a five-hour-start-to-finish labour, no pain relief

> except essential oils and a bit of shiatsu and sustained only a minor

> graze... I reckon it's all those muscles that get floppy as you

> get older -

> they stretch easier!! )>>

said:

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> Oh, I don't know... I've had four... at 20 I had a six hour labor with ten

> pushes, not tears, cuts, or even a graze... at 24 I had a three hour labor

> with 3 pushes... at 26 I had a 1-1/2 hour labor with 2 pushes, and at 29 I

> had a 20 minute labor with one push.... I think a lot is how

> you're built,

> and the rest is education.

I think you're right there . I have " child-bearing hips " !! It also has

something to do with natural childbirth in a natural position without your

feet in stirrups! I gave birth on a futon...) Makes it almost indecent

to call it labour, doesn't it? ))) I felt like I'd cheated! But also

like I'd *been* cheated. I was totally psyched up for a long labour and it

all happened way too fast....I felt like I blinked and missed something!

LOL!

Sue (ducking with you!!!)

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Boy, ladies, I must be living wrong ) I had a 32 hour labor with

2 1/2 hours of pushing and had a section!! The MOST miserable event

of my life! I'm finding out I had the worst case available!!

I talked to a friend of my husband's who is a l & d nurse at the

hospital where I delievered last. She said that they have an

extrememly low rate of ruptures and they had the 1st one in 5 years

last week ( this was what the nite shift nurse remembered) and it

was caught before the actual rupture! She gave me the names of a

couple of dr.s that are VBAC friendly and said if I went into labor

before her shift, to call her and she would be glad to help in anyway

she could!!

My sister just had a 9lb 4 oz boy 12/27 and is moving sooooo well and

looks great! I'm like Kathleen, it took a long time before I went

any where, and not felt like I was going to lose my guts! So I am

extremely jealous of my sister and between that and chatting with my

friend, and info from y'all, I'm going to find a dr. that is VBAC

friendly, or deliver at home!!!

Thanks for all the info, I'm sure I'll be asking more questions later

on!!

michelle

> Sue (ducking with you!!!)

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If I were in your shoes... I would opt for a home birth.

MD's, even the most seemingly natural minded ones, are still doctors who are

trained to assume the worst. They don't look at you as a healthy person, doing a

normal thing. They look at you like someone who is prone to have a major life or

death problem at any given second. Under such intense scrutiny, it's almost

impossible NOT to find something wrong. If nothing else, the stress to the momma

will cause problems!

Pregnancy and birth doesn't generally become a medical problem until it is

treated like one. There are rare instances where problems do arise, but very few

arise so quickly that help can't be sought out in plenty of time. I would also

say the vast majority of problems are *CAUSED* my medical intervention. Women

allow themselves to be induced with awful drugs, inject more drugs into

themselves in the form of an epidural and narcotics, lay flat on their backs

through labor, and then wonder why the baby won't come out... hmm... go

figure...

Anyway.... after having my second baby at home I am very much a home birth

proponent.

My 'little' guy was born after a 7+ hour long second stage due to an odd

presentation (active labor was 15+ hours, total labor time was over 24 hours..

his big old head was turned sideways, and even though I was totally dilated he

just wouldn't fit out that way). Once he turned, all 10 1/2 pounds of him was

born in 2 pushes and I didn't tear or even have 'skid marks'. At the very least

in a hospital they would have pushed for a forceps delivery, which kills more

babies than anyone lets on and I would not have allowed it... and more likely we

would have ended up with a c-section for failure to progress. Instead... we had

a long labor, and an extremely natural and gentle birth for my baby.

As a side note, we chose a medically unassisted homebirth... and did not have a

midwife. I did not want **ANY** medical fear/influence. I know not everyone can

feel comfortable with that sort of responsibility.... but even with an attended

birth, it's vitally important that women TAKE CONTROL of the situation. We all

know more about taking care of ourselves than anyone else.

Liz

----- Original Message -----

From: meeker68

I'm going to find a dr. that is VBAC

friendly, or deliver at home!!!

Thanks for all the info, I'm sure I'll be asking more questions later

on!!

michelle

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Liz wrote :

" If I were in your shoes... I would opt for a home birth.

MD's, even the most seemingly natural minded ones, are still doctors

who are trained to assume the worst. They don't look at you as a

healthy person,

Pregnancy and birth doesn't generally become a medical problem until

it is treated like one. There are rare instances where problems do

arise, but very few arise so quickly that help can't be sought out in

plenty of time. "

Well, I agree, but when you are in these very few, you might regret a

lot !!! Believe me, one always thinks that one will escape dramas,

but they do happen ! How could I have imagined that my so healthy

baby boy would get cancer and die from it ? Now I know, in my guts,

that nobody can be safe.

A risk, even very very very low ... I will not take it for my

children ; it's the same thing for vaccines : lots of children do not

develop big problems after vaccination, but you all, as well as

myself, do not want to take this risk ...

=====

Cécile, wife to , mother of Nathalie(11.5), Sandrine(8.5), Karine(6) and

andre(forever 3.5) dx 02/00 NBIV N-MYC amplified. Left us on June 14th, 2001

andre sent us two new babies due next Spring .... e-mail :

cecilecogez@...

andre's story : http://www.caringbridge.com/page/alexandre

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I agree with what youa re saying about the homebirth and I always think no or

as little drugs as possible are the best route to go. I was not that lucky.

I had severe pre eclampsia and very high blood pressure. Of course, my son

was induced 2 days past his due date (this is the 7 year old). They started

with the gel that sent my bp even higher! So, I labored in a delivery room

the entire time flat on my back (becasue of the dangerously high bp) hooked

to iv's and a bp moniter! the lovely hospital gave me an infection and I got

a fever of 103! I was induced at 6 am (gel) on Monday am and not given

pitocin until 11 am tuesday. I pushed for an hour at 10 pm Tuesday. My

son's heart rate dropped dramatically adn was taking a long time to come back

up! I never worked so hard to get him out! UGH! After all of that pushing

his head was still floating! He was taken by emergency c section. He was

hypothermic, hypoglycemic, and lathargic! tell me, do you think that had to

do with his birth? Man, it was awful!!

x * x :._.:*x x x*:._x . :

Happy New Year

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said -

>ducking to avoid being hit by tomatoes from all the moms who had 42 hour

labors.<

LOL!!!!!!!!

Both my labours were quick aswell........*gulp* *duck*

Sue

dd Ruby 2.6yrs

Wales, UK

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Oh you sound like me except I am just starting my family. My first

(22) was 7 hours, they pulled him out (stupid doctor)(another story) tore of

course, my second (24) was 3 hours start to finish 2-3 pushes no tears or

anything and both unmedicated. :-)

<<Oh, I don't know... I've had four... at 20 I had a six hour labor with ten

pushes, not tears, cuts, or even a graze... at 24 I had a three hour labor

with 3 pushes... at 26 I had a 1-1/2 hour labor with 2 pushes, and at 29 I

had a 20 minute labor with one push.... I think a lot is how you're built,

and the rest is education.

Goldmeer (ducking to avoid being hit by tomatoes from all the moms who

had 42 hour labors....)>>

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Yes, Liz, I agree. We have to do what we have to do! I never heard about

the high protein diet helping to curb pre eclampsia 7 years ago. Is that a

new study?

x * x :._.:*x x x*:._x . :

Happy New Year

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Ugh... I feel so bad for you!! What a mess, and yep... I'm sure all your

sons problems at birth were directly related to the trauma.

Interestingly, pre ecplampsia has been pretty firmly linked with dietary

deficiencies, specifically a lack of protein!

There was a study a while back that showed that women who had adequate protein

were less likely to develop pre-eclampsia, and women who were in the early

stages who ate a high protein diet could reverse the condition!

Of course... hind site is 20/20 which is frustrating.

I allowed myself to be induced with my first son just 4 days after my due date

because the OB was freaking out on how big he was. Basically gave me the options

of induction or c-section, because, ya know... women obviously can't birth

children over 8 pounds vaginally... *snort*.

The induction did take, and my son was born after just 9 hours of killer

labor... all 9 lbs 13 oz of him popped out in less than 15 min. My OB was

stunned... Idiots...total idiots... I think what got him even more is that I did

the whole thing without drugs. Grr.... thankfully Odin was fine, but he was a

much crankier baby than Magnus (who was born at home). Never, never again will I

allow an OB to manage my pregnancies!

Liz

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From: MISSYS455@...

tell me, do you think that had to

do with his birth? Man, it was awful!!

x * x :._.:*x x x*:._x . :

Happy New Year

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I have heard nothing but rave reviews about Dr. Brewer's (I think his name is

Tom) nutrition information. I understand that he too says preeclampsia is

diet related. I have yet to get hold of his book. Liz, are you familiar

with Dr. Brewer? I seem to recall from a few sources that preeclampsia may

be protein related. Many folk don't realize that it takes a lot or protein

to build a baby.

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/4/2002 4:15:32 PM Central Standard Time,

MISSYS455@... writes:

> Yes, Liz, I agree. We have to do what we have to do! I never heard about

> the high protein diet helping to curb pre eclampsia 7 years ago. Is that a

>

> new study?

>

>

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This is one of the things taught during a Bradley (Natural

Childbirth) Class... the Brewer Diet and it's relationship to

preeclampsia...

StaceyB

> I have heard nothing but rave reviews about Dr. Brewer's (I think

his name is

> Tom) nutrition information. I understand that he too says

preeclampsia is

> diet related. I have yet to get hold of his book. Liz, are you

familiar

> with Dr. Brewer? I seem to recall from a few sources that

preeclampsia may

> be protein related. Many folk don't realize that it takes a lot or

protein

> to build a baby.

>

> Kathleen

>

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Aha! Yes, that is where I first heard of him was in Bradley class! I was so

sad when I had to quit my Bradley classes. I think I only attended 3 or 4.

I had so much fun there. I did learn some, but I really enjoyed it when I

was able to bring up things that the teacher didn't. Much to her chagrin,

I'm sure. She probably wondered why I was taking the class because I

already knew so much.

Hubby and I had to drive way across town for those classes. And when my car

was rear-ended by a cellphone-talking idiot when I was 7 months pregnant, I

decided it was prudent to be in a vehicle as little as possible while

pregnant.

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/4/2002 6:03:08 PM Central Standard Time,

usmcwife@... writes:

> This is one of the things taught during a Bradley (Natural

> Childbirth) Class... the Brewer Diet and it's relationship to

> preeclampsia...

> StaceyB

" Having a highly trained obstetrician surgeon attend a normal birth is

analogous to having a paediatric surgeon babysit a healthy two year old. " ~

Marsden Wagner, MD

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I'm not sure how new of a concept it is. The funny thing is, most of these

things are already 'known' in the more natural circles. It's the medical

community that refuses to look at the whole picture (hmmm, sound familiar?). As

others have mentioned I've heard the Brewers diet recommended.

There are a lot of medical 'issues' like this that are 1.) not medical problems

(like supposed gestational diabetes), or 2.) have a root in nutritional

deficiencies (like pre eclampsia).

There are just SO many crazy things going on in the medical community.

A great book to read to get you started down the path to really thinking about

what is, or isn't good during pregnancy is The Thinking Woman's Guide to a

Better Birth (or something like that, dang it... the exact name is evading me!!)

by Henci Goer. It's a awesome book, in that it provides a lot of easy to read

information backed up by tons of medical studies. Definitely worth reading for

anyone who is pregnant, or is considering having more kids.

Liz

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Re: Re: your unvax child and new borns

Yes, Liz, I agree. We have to do what we have to do! I never heard about

the high protein diet helping to curb pre eclampsia 7 years ago. Is that a

new study?

x * x :._.:*x x x*:._x . :

Happy New Year

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In a message dated 1/4/02 9:10:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,

HolisticMomma@... writes:

> Aha! Yes, that is where I first heard of him was in Bradley class!

I attended all my Bradley classes, I actually think the whole idea of natural

birthing, refusing drugs and what-not, was the reason vaccines first came to

my mind - along with the testing they always want to do on the baby. It was

the reason I realized that I didn't know very much, and trusted doctors too

much....

Chelly

San Diego, CA

Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

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I used to worry about what my children were picking up from vaxxed kids...esp

the live viruses. I always asked before new little ones visited, " When did they

have theis last series and was it live? " . Polio used to really freak me out but

knowing about HP and the benefits of Vit A and C have settled me down. So I did

keep my newbie's close to me as even tho I nursed, why subject a newbie to added

stress? I did have a freind who stopped inviting me to family

get-togethers(birthday parties) as I didn't vax. We're no longer friends.

Laurie>Oh

If friends etc who strongly believe in vaxxes have a new baby and you have an

unvaxx duaghter, what does one do about exposing ones unvaxx toddler to the

smaller baby/ newborn.

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In a message dated 1/5/2002 3:49:40 PM Central Standard Time,

mlandes2@... writes:

> I used to worry about what my children were picking up from vaxxed

> kids...esp the live viruses. I always asked before new little ones

> visited, " When did they have theis last series and was it live? " . Polio

> used to really freak me out but knowing about HP and the benefits of Vit A

> and C have settled me down. So I did keep my newbie's close to me as even

> tho I nursed, why subject a newbie to added stress? I did have a freind

> who stopped inviting me to family get-togethers(birthday parties) as I

> didn't vax. We're no longer friends.

> Laurie>

>

> Yes, this happens, Laurie!! its hard to talk to people who are so

> brainwashed.

> k