Re: your unvax child and new borns

[Guest guest]

That is why I believe ALL newborns (vaxxed or not) should be cocooned for

several months after they are born. In other words, the baby simply stayed

home and her contacts to both children AND adults (we're pretty germy too,

you know) were limited. I know this isn't for everyone and simply not

practical for some. But for me, it was wonderful and I began relaxing some

once my baby was around six months old.

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/1/2002 10:57:50 PM Central Standard Time,

radiantmother@... writes:

> Hi all,

> A scenario has been forming in my mind lately that i have not encountered

> but

> will at some point. It is really worrrying me, and i wondered how other

> people deal with this:

>

> If friends etc who strongly believe in vaxxes have a new baby and you have

> an

> unvaxx duaghter, what does one do about exposing ones unvaxx toddler to the

>

> smaller baby/ newborn.

>

> For example, say the toddler/ older child were to have picked up the

> pertussis or measles bug, and was still asymptomatic before being

> symptomatic, you might not know that he/she had it. and thinking your child

>

> is fine, you expose her to the newborn.

> im told that you are contagious for things when you first catch them even

> before becoming symptomatic. so ones unvaxx child could expose a tiny baby

> to

> something without us knowing which would be awful.

>

> the older child who is unvaxx and more healthy could survive pertussis but

> a

> new born who is already perhaps partially vaxxed, and compromised and so

> young, and also with very down the line medical parents (ie using

> antibiotics

> etc) would not necessarily survive and what a terrible situation. In the

> worst case scenario if someones baby were to die of pertussis and your

> child

> gave it to them, can you imagine the litigation and lack of support from

> people. One would be tarred and feathered here in the usa, not to mention

> how

> terrible one would feel!

>

> has this ever happened? what is the best way to go about this with friends

> newborns, including ones own newborn, with older unvaxx children. is it

> best

> to keep ones children away, but one cannot always do this like if there is

> a

> newborn in the line at the grocery store etc.

>

> I may be over-reacting to this, but a nurse/ doula I know, who suprisingly

> believes

The Four Stages Of Life

1. You believe in Santa Claus

2. You don't believe in Santa Claus

3. You are Santa Claus

4. You look like Santa Claus

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/2/02 7:09:26 PM GTB Standard Time, HolisticMomma@...

writes:

<< I know this isn't for everyone and simply not

practical for some. But for me, it was wonderful and I began relaxing some

once my baby was around six months old.

>>

I did the same with dd.This time around I may have outside contact sooner,or

I may just let my mom take dd out to various places instead of me taking her

w/ the newborn.Pertussis is my main concern though I know there are plenty of

other things she/he could contract.

sara

[Guest guest]

Well, Kathy, aren't you smart! I never even thought to include that

information in my answer to Kim. Way to go Kathy!

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/2/2002 7:51:06 AM Central Standard Time,

kcumming@... writes:

> vaccines are NOT effective, so it doesn't matter if your toddles is

> unvaxed

> he/she is just as likely to have measles as the vaxed kid in the next

> isle at the grocery store

>

> Kathy

>

>

The Four Stages Of Life

1. You believe in Santa Claus

2. You don't believe in Santa Claus

3. You are Santa Claus

4. You look like Santa Claus

[Guest guest]

I think you are right Kathleen. All newborns should be cocooned. We took ours

everywhere even to africa when she was four months and i was constantly

worried. but i told myself she was healthier not vaccinated and she was fully

breastfed. i think breastmilk helps too. its those formula fed babies that i

am worry about who have had a few vaccinations to boot.

kim

In a message dated 1/2/2002 11:09:02 AM Central Standard Time,

HolisticMomma@... writes:

> Subj:Re: your unvax child and new borns

> Date:1/2/2002 11:09:02 AM Central Standard Time

> From: HolisticMomma@...

> Reply-to: <A

HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations </A>

> Vaccinations

>

>

>

>

> That is why I believe ALL newborns (vaxxed or not) should be cocooned for

> several months after they are born. In other words, the baby simply stayed

> home and her contacts to both children AND adults (we're pretty germy too,

> you know) were limited. I know this isn't for everyone and simply not

> practical for some. But for me, it was wonderful and I began relaxing some

> once my baby was around six months old.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/2/2002 11:16:30 AM Central Standard Time, nnu29@...

writes:

> I did the same with dd.This time around I may have outside contact sooner,or

> I may just let my mom take dd out to various places instead of me taking

> her

> w/ the newborn.Pertussis is my main concern though I know there are plenty

> of

> other things she/he could contract.

> sara

>

Yes pertussis was my terrible fear with my newborn. under 6 months they say

there is a strong chance of not surviving. but then again, sheri says vit c

and homeopathy is the way to go, so im not suprised they dont survive with

antibiotics. what do think about a week old baby and pertussis, sheri? is

there a chance?

kim

[Guest guest]

Well my baby was 5 mo and it was a scarey thing i also met a girl her baby

was 6 weeks. Ask Phyliss Georgic I remember her saying she treated a baby

very young or knew of someone whom did. I know that VIT c and Homeopathy

saved my baby I am positive.

Amy

OHIO

AMY

MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES

Chelsea 9

Carrigian 5

4

Chaela Noelle Almost 1

from the mouth of a 4 yr old

" your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! )

<A

HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett

bunch</A>

[Guest guest]

Good point about the formula feeding, Kim. Actually, I was unable to

breastfeed my baby so that was another reason I felt strongly about

" cocooning " . My little darling just didn't get to have benefit of breastmilk

other than a few drops here and there. So I knew that was additional cause

for caution.

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/2/2002 11:56:59 AM Central Standard Time,

radiantmother@... writes:

> I think you are right Kathleen. All newborns should be cocooned. We took

> ours

> everywhere even to africa when she was four months and i was constantly

> worried. but i told myself she was healthier not vaccinated and she was

> fully

> breastfed. i think breastmilk helps too. its those formula fed babies that

> i

> am worry about who have had a few vaccinations to boot.

> kim

>

>

> In a message dated 1/2/2002 11:09:02 AM Central Standard Time,

> HolisticMomma@... writes:

>

>

> > Subj:Re: your unvax child and new borns

> > Date:1/2/2002 11:09:02 AM Central Standard Time

> > From: HolisticMomma@...

> > Reply-to: <A

HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations </A>

> > Vaccinations

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > That is why I believe ALL newborns (vaxxed or not) should be cocooned for

>

> > several months after they are born. In other words, the baby simply

> stayed

> > home and her contacts to both children AND adults (we're pretty germy

> too,

> > you know) were limited. I know this isn't for everyone and simply not

> > practical for some. But for me, it was wonderful and I began relaxing

> some

> > once my baby was around six months old.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

vaccines are NOT effective, so it doesn't matter if your toddles is

unvaxed

he/she is just as likely to have measles as the vaxed kid in the next

isle at the grocery store

Kathy

>

> I would love to hear other peoples comments or experiences.

>

> Kim

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/2/02 7:58:03 PM GTB Standard Time, radiantmother@...

writes:

<< hat do think about a week old baby and pertussis, sheri? is

there a chance?

kim >>

Well I remember in the summer of 99' we had a few articles about pertussis

cases in akron ohio.Newborns had gotten it from say the mother or a sibling.I

don't think any of them died and they just had allopathic treatment.Atleast

we all have homeopathics and other things to turn too as well. Some kids

though just don't do well even with a *mild* illness. Just depends

Sara

[Guest guest]

At 12:56 PM 01/02/2002 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 1/2/2002 11:16:30 AM Central Standard Time, nnu29@...

>writes:

>

>

>> I did the same with dd.This time around I may have outside contact

sooner,or

>> I may just let my mom take dd out to various places instead of me taking

>> her

>> w/ the newborn.Pertussis is my main concern though I know there are plenty

>> of

>> other things she/he could contract.

>> sara

>>

>Yes pertussis was my terrible fear with my newborn. under 6 months they say

>there is a strong chance of not surviving. but then again, sheri says vit c

>and homeopathy is the way to go, so im not suprised they dont survive with

>antibiotics. what do think about a week old baby and pertussis, sheri? is

>there a chance?

>kim

>

Yes, of course there is - but depends on the baby too - sometimes we are

not meant to survive - I hate to say it, but that might be how it is. But

homeopathic treatment and vitamin C and breastfeeding and No vaxs. There

are no guarantees in life though.

Sheri

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> For example, say the toddler/ older child were to have picked up

the

> pertussis or measles bug, and was still asymptomatic before being

> symptomatic, you might not know that he/she had it. and thinking

your child

> is fine, you expose her to the newborn.

> im told that you are contagious for things when you first catch

them even

> before becoming symptomatic. so ones unvaxx child could expose a

tiny baby to

> something without us knowing which would be awful.

Well worse would be haveing your VAXED kid carry something like that

to a newborn and since they were vaxed the docs wouldn't even check

it til your kid was REALLY sick and probably the baby would be died

or to far gone before you knew your kid had it!

I'd think it would be better for it to be carried by a non vaxed kid

so at least you could warn the parent they'd been exposed! docs are

sometimes so numb and stuck on their " perfection " that they dont even

other to look at the obvious!

If they babyhad had the first round of shots they'd have had the

pertusis shot anyway! If it works so great the kid should be fine

right?!

By not vaxing you are NOT more likely to have your kid cary anyhting

to the baby than a vaxed one infact probably less likely because you

know enoughto be aware!

Dad MOM, big sis/bro, gramma, grampa etc could carry anyhting to baby

just as easily as a child. maybe more so since parent have no issue

having adults and siblings cuddle coo and gooo and kiss the baby

therefore coming in closer contact with the baby than most outside "

children.

My sisters friend was totally vaxed and still got pertusus 4 times in

her first 4 yrs of life, got it 2 times when she was 2 and my sis

never got it!

I have a friend who is totally fenatiacl about baby being exposed to

anyhting, oh if she only knew that of the 5 babys in the nursery at

church only 1 other besides her own are actually vaxed! She is so

worried about bay being expossed yet she totally formula feeds

(never even tried nursing!) and put her in the church nursery at 1

1/2 weeks! sheesh the baby'll sleep the whole time! hold the por

thing!

ok enough of my rambling!

marcia

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/2/02 9:08:51 AM Pacific Standard Time,

HolisticMomma@... writes:

> That is why I believe ALL newborns (vaxxed or not) should be cocooned for

> several months after they are born. In other words, the baby simply stayed

> home and her contacts to both children AND adults (we're pretty germy too,

> you know) were limited. I know this isn't for everyone and simply not

> practical for some.

Oh I couldn't do that - I was OUT the house visiting friends and co-workers

before a week was up.

Chelly

San Diego, CA

Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

WWW.YOURAVON.COM/CMERCER passcode: MIKCHER

[Guest guest]

I agree with that. didn't even go to church nursery until he was 9

months old.

Sherri Garrett

Garrett Medical Claims

For more information email me at

garrettmedclaims@... or call me

toll free at 866-611-2485

Re: your unvax child and new borns

That is why I believe ALL newborns (vaxxed or not) should be cocooned for

several months after they are born. In other words, the baby simply stayed

home and her contacts to both children AND adults (we're pretty germy too,

you know) were limited. I know this isn't for everyone and simply not

practical for some. But for me, it was wonderful and I began relaxing some

once my baby was around six months old.

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/1/2002 10:57:50 PM Central Standard Time,

radiantmother@... writes:

> Hi all,

> A scenario has been forming in my mind lately that i have not encountered

> but

> will at some point. It is really worrrying me, and i wondered how other

> people deal with this:

>

> If friends etc who strongly believe in vaxxes have a new baby and you have

> an

> unvaxx duaghter, what does one do about exposing ones unvaxx toddler to

the

>

> smaller baby/ newborn.

>

> For example, say the toddler/ older child were to have picked up the

> pertussis or measles bug, and was still asymptomatic before being

> symptomatic, you might not know that he/she had it. and thinking your

child

>

> is fine, you expose her to the newborn.

> im told that you are contagious for things when you first catch them even

> before becoming symptomatic. so ones unvaxx child could expose a tiny baby

> to

> something without us knowing which would be awful.

>

> the older child who is unvaxx and more healthy could survive pertussis but

> a

> new born who is already perhaps partially vaxxed, and compromised and so

> young, and also with very down the line medical parents (ie using

> antibiotics

> etc) would not necessarily survive and what a terrible situation. In the

> worst case scenario if someones baby were to die of pertussis and your

> child

> gave it to them, can you imagine the litigation and lack of support from

> people. One would be tarred and feathered here in the usa, not to mention

> how

> terrible one would feel!

>

> has this ever happened? what is the best way to go about this with friends

> newborns, including ones own newborn, with older unvaxx children. is it

> best

> to keep ones children away, but one cannot always do this like if there is

> a

> newborn in the line at the grocery store etc.

>

> I may be over-reacting to this, but a nurse/ doula I know, who suprisingly

> believes

The Four Stages Of Life

1. You believe in Santa Claus

2. You don't believe in Santa Claus

3. You are Santa Claus

4. You look like Santa Claus

[Guest guest]

Well, Miss Chelly, I'm jealous! I had a caesarian and I had no desire to

leave the house for quite some while!!! It was all I could do to get out bed

without feeling like I was dying.

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/2/2002 7:03:48 PM Central Standard Time,

Trentonsmom@... writes:

> > That is why I believe ALL newborns (vaxxed or not) should be cocooned for

> > several months after they are born. In other words, the baby simply

> stayed

> > home and her contacts to both children AND adults (we're pretty germy

> too,

> > you know) were limited. I know this isn't for everyone and simply not

> > practical for some.

>

> Oh I couldn't do that - I was OUT the house visiting friends and co-workers

>

> before a week was up.

> Chelly

The Four Stages Of Life

1. You believe in Santa Claus

2. You don't believe in Santa Claus

3. You are Santa Claus

4. You look like Santa Claus

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/2/02 6:24:56 PM Pacific Standard Time,

HolisticMomma@... writes:

> Well, Miss Chelly, I'm jealous! I had a caesarian and I had no desire

> to

> leave the house for quite some while!!! It was all I could do to get out

> bed

> without feeling like I was dying.

>

>

Kathleen,

I too had a c-section (Trenton was footling breech) - so don't feel alone, my

doctor insisted I get up as soon as possible. Trenton was born at just

before 11pm - by the next day I was walking around (while the morphine was

still kicking I'm sure). I must admit, I couldn't pick Trenton up for a

while, I could hold him, but couldn't lift him up (all 8 pounds).

On another note - I have THE BEST Ob/Gyn - he said he would have let me go

for a vaginal birth - if it had not been for the one foot under Trenton's

butt. He also let me watch the entire operation with a mirror - it was very

exciting, and Dr Lapp told fishing stories the entire time!! (LOL). He

refused point blank to set a date for the birth, no matter how nervous I was

that my water would break and the foot would come out, he insisted we wait

for Trenton to decide - which he did two weeks early.

I was actually refered to him by my midwife, my previous Dr. made me feel

like a piece of meat (and she was FEMALE).

Chelly

San Diego, CA

Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

WWW.YOURAVON.COM/CMERCER passcode: MIKCHER

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/2/02 10:44:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Trentonsmom@... writes:

<< I too had a c-section (Trenton was footling breech) - so don't feel alone,

my

doctor insisted I get up as soon as possible. Trenton was born at just

before 11pm - by the next day I was walking around (while the morphine was

still kicking I'm sure). >>

My 1st c-section was the hardest on me. #2 was ok, I didn't need any pain

meds and well this past one was about as good a a c-section can get. I was

out of the hospital before my 48 hour stay was up and we had to stop by

Target so I could get a few things on our way home. Granted I held Liam the

entire shopping trip but I figured he was about as protected against germs as

I was since he is breastfed,not to mention if he was going to pick up

something it would more than likely be from my 2 daughters who are 2 and 3 or

even from the hospital before we left.

Tami

[Guest guest]

I don't think there's any point in cloistering a baby away from the world.

If you have *ANYONE* who lives outside the home, then you have a direct path for

germ entry. Most of us women who are SAHM's have husbands who work... and guess

what... there is just no place like the work place to breed germs <well, aside

from daycare>. Older children in public school will also be bringing home all

the latest and greatest bugs. I'd rather go to the mall than a public school...

The **BEST** protection for a newborn is to be breastfed. Babies are born with

functional, albeit immature immune systems. A breastfed baby has the added

immune benefit of all it's mother's passive immunities, as well as ongoing

active protection against any new bugs Mom and baby are exposed to.

I was out and about with both my boys from the time they were tiny. We hit

Wal-Mart with my youngest before he was even a week old. I wore him in a

sling... and kept him close to me and didn't let strangers touch him, but I sure

didn't limit our activity!!

Liz

Re: your unvax child and new borns

I think you are right Kathleen. All newborns should be cocooned. We took ours

everywhere even to africa when she was four months and i was constantly

worried. but i told myself she was healthier not vaccinated and she was fully

breastfed. i think breastmilk helps too. its those formula fed babies that i

am worry about who have had a few vaccinations to boot.

kim

In a message dated 1/2/2002 11:09:02 AM Central Standard Time,

HolisticMomma@... writes:

> Subj:Re: your unvax child and new borns

> Date:1/2/2002 11:09:02 AM Central Standard Time

> From: HolisticMomma@...

> Reply-to: <A

HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations </A>

> Vaccinations

>

>

>

>

> That is why I believe ALL newborns (vaxxed or not) should be cocooned for

> several months after they are born. In other words, the baby simply stayed

> home and her contacts to both children AND adults (we're pretty germy too,

> you know) were limited. I know this isn't for everyone and simply not

> practical for some. But for me, it was wonderful and I began relaxing some

> once my baby was around six months old.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Of course there is a chance! Good grief, pertussis is hardly the end of the

world. It happens all the time in fully vaxed newborns, it just doesn't get

reported.

A friend's newborn daughter caught pertussis in the hospital before she went

home just this year. She's fine now, in spite of medical 'help'.

As with most of the dread diseases, prompt and appropriate treatment is the key.

As is good immune support, the most important aspect of which is breastfeeding.

Liz

----- Original Message -----

From: radiantmother@...

and homeopathy is the way to go, so im not suprised they dont survive with

antibiotics. what do think about a week old baby and pertussis, sheri? is

there a chance?

kim

[Guest guest]

> Hi all,

> A scenario has been forming in my mind lately that i have not

encountered but

> will at some point. It is really worrrying me, and i wondered how

other

> people deal with this:

>

> If friends etc who strongly believe in vaxxes have a new baby and

you have an

> unvaxx duaghter, what does one do about exposing ones unvaxx

toddler to the

> smaller baby/ newborn.

>

> For example, say the toddler/ older child were to have picked up

the

> pertussis or measles bug, and was still asymptomatic before being

> symptomatic, you might not know that he/she had it. and thinking

your child

> is fine, you expose her to the newborn.

> im told that you are contagious for things when you first catch

them even

> before becoming symptomatic. so ones unvaxx child could expose a

tiny baby to

> something without us knowing which would be awful.

But an unvaccinated child is no more threat than a vaccinated one

since we know that vaxed children are quite capable of getting any of

the illnesses that they are vaxed against. Vaxed children get a

mutant strain of the illness, often more severe and deadly than the

wild virus, imho.

>

> the older child who is unvaxx and more healthy could survive

pertussis but a

> new born who is already perhaps partially vaxxed, and compromised

and so

> young, and also with very down the line medical parents (ie using

antibiotics

> etc) would not necessarily survive and what a terrible situation.

In the

> worst case scenario if someones baby were to die of pertussis and

your child

> gave it to them, can you imagine the litigation and lack of support

from

> people. One would be tarred and feathered here in the usa, not to

mention how

> terrible one would feel!

As Sheri says, if the baby is meant to survive, it will and if it

isn't, it won't. There *are* no guarantees.

>

> has this ever happened? what is the best way to go about this with

friends

> newborns, including ones own newborn, with older unvaxx children.

is it best

> to keep ones children away, but one cannot always do this like if

there is a

> newborn in the line at the grocery store etc.

>

> I may be over-reacting to this, but a nurse/ doula I know, who

suprisingly

> believes strongly in vaccinations, said that her young child was

exposed to

> the measles virus before she was old enough to have the MMR. the

child with

> measles was totally unvaccinated and the nurse's young baby was

extremely

> sick. she said she was not prepared for how sick her child was and

got a big

> fright. and this is why she now pushes vaccinations when before she

did not.

Again, imho, if the baby is being breastfed and the mum has had the

illnesses in question (talking more here about MMR than anything,

although many people have had pertussis), the baby will receive

maternal antibodies and be protected. That is what Nature intended.

Nature did not intend for babies to be artificially fed and this is

when things get screwed up. Obviously this will not happen 100% of

the time, but mostly it *will* protect. If breastfeeding is *not*

exclusive, forget the almost 100% protection - it's severely

reduced. It only takes one bottle of formula!

Not sure how many people on this list read Sheri's posting about

breastfeeding, vaccination etc. from the NZ doctor, but it made this

point very clearly and very well. The way to protect a baby's health

is to breastfeed from the word " go " , exclusively, no formula, no

other foods/drinks, and no vaccinations. End result - one healthy

baby with no leaky gut. Healthy baby with no leaky gut = less risk

of contracting *any* of these illnesses. The enteromammary

circulation is an excellent method of protection. Breastfeeding

exclusively even protects against pertussis.

So keeping babies inside and away from perceived germs *isn't* the

answer. The answer is to give them a healthy immune system from the

start so that they are less susceptible to *any* illnesses.

Just my opinion, but it's a cherished one...

Love, light and peace,

Sue

[Guest guest]

Hear hear!!

Sue

> Re: your unvax child and new borns

>

>

> Of course there is a chance! Good grief, pertussis is hardly the

> end of the world. It happens all the time in fully vaxed

> newborns, it just doesn't get reported.

>

> A friend's newborn daughter caught pertussis in the hospital

> before she went home just this year. She's fine now, in spite of

> medical 'help'.

>

> As with most of the dread diseases, prompt and appropriate

> treatment is the key. As is good immune support, the most

> important aspect of which is breastfeeding.

>

> Liz

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: radiantmother@...

>

> and homeopathy is the way to go, so im not suprised they dont

> survive with

> antibiotics. what do think about a week old baby and pertussis,

> sheri? is

> there a chance?

> kim

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I never kept away from the world. I never left him with anyone. Of

course he's got 4 older brothers in school and a daddy who works. he's also

got grandparents and cousins, etc... He was never " cocooned " in the way that

he was never around anyone. The best ways to build up resistence to germs

is to be exposed to them and have a fantastic immune system, built up by

breastfeeding. 's 13 months old and still going strong on nursing!

Sherri Garrett

Garrett Medical Claims

For more information email me at

garrettmedclaims@... or call me

toll free at 866-611-2485

Re: your unvax child and new borns

I don't think there's any point in cloistering a baby away from the world.

If you have *ANYONE* who lives outside the home, then you have a direct path

for germ entry. Most of us women who are SAHM's have husbands who work...

and guess what... there is just no place like the work place to breed germs

<well, aside from daycare>. Older children in public school will also be

bringing home all the latest and greatest bugs. I'd rather go to the mall

than a public school...

The **BEST** protection for a newborn is to be breastfed. Babies are born

with functional, albeit immature immune systems. A breastfed baby has the

added immune benefit of all it's mother's passive immunities, as well as

ongoing active protection against any new bugs Mom and baby are exposed to.

I was out and about with both my boys from the time they were tiny. We hit

Wal-Mart with my youngest before he was even a week old. I wore him in a

sling... and kept him close to me and didn't let strangers touch him, but I

sure didn't limit our activity!!

Liz

Re: your unvax child and new borns

I think you are right Kathleen. All newborns should be cocooned. We took

ours

everywhere even to africa when she was four months and i was constantly

worried. but i told myself she was healthier not vaccinated and she was

fully

breastfed. i think breastmilk helps too. its those formula fed babies that

i

am worry about who have had a few vaccinations to boot.

kim

In a message dated 1/2/2002 11:09:02 AM Central Standard Time,

HolisticMomma@... writes:

> Subj:Re: your unvax child and new borns

> Date:1/2/2002 11:09:02 AM Central Standard Time

> From: HolisticMomma@...

> Reply-to: <A

HREF= " mailto:Vaccinations " >Vaccinations </A>

> Vaccinations

>

>

>

>

> That is why I believe ALL newborns (vaxxed or not) should be cocooned

for

> several months after they are born. In other words, the baby simply

stayed

> home and her contacts to both children AND adults (we're pretty germy

too,

> you know) were limited. I know this isn't for everyone and simply not

> practical for some. But for me, it was wonderful and I began relaxing

some

> once my baby was around six months old.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/2/2002 9:53:05 PM Central Standard Time,

luvmyfam77@... writes:

> My 1st c-section was the hardest on me. #2 was ok, I didn't need any pain

> meds

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!! i was on pain meds for 3 weeks with mine!!!! how did

you manage that??

kim

[Guest guest]

Heeheehee

Kathleen

In a message dated 1/3/2002 5:53:33 PM Central Standard Time,

tgdamron@... writes:

> pain meds & c-sections...

>

> ok, ladies, you are making me feel like the major wimp ... I had

> painkillers for a week with a vaginal birth .... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>

>

>

>

>

The Four Stages Of Life

1. You believe in Santa Claus

2. You don't believe in Santa Claus

3. You are Santa Claus

4. You look like Santa Claus

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/3/02 3:06:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,

radiantmother@... writes:

> > My 1st c-section was the hardest on me. #2 was ok, I didn't need any pain

> > meds

>

> WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!! i was on pain meds for 3 weeks with mine!!!! how did

> you manage that??

> kim

>

>

>

I took the pain meds for about a week - they made me feel funny so I stopped

taking them!

Chelly

San Diego, CA

Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots!

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/3/02 7:06:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

angelmouse55@... writes:

<< I reckon it's all those muscles that get floppy as you get older -

they stretch easier!! >>

LOL what a great way to look at it!

Tami