Mercury

[Guest guest]

,

For years, I had isolated, periodic episodes of individual joints

swelling badly, with a lot of pain. Then I had all my mercury fillings

removed because my dentist never liked using mercury and wanted to

replace them as soon as there was a good substitute. I went a good 6 or

7 years without any problems. Then, last year, my new dentist (my old

one retired), did a root canal and 2 weeks later, the onset of my RA

began in earnest. Seems to me there has to be some connection there. I

would never have another mercury filling and I'll also never have

another root canal.

a Peden

M Carroll wrote:

>

> From: M Carroll <LCARROLL@...>

>

> Hi All,

> Has anyone had their old silver fillings replaced with the ones that don't

> contain mercury? I am curious about this and wonder if it will really have

> as great of a postive effect as I have read. I will do it tomorrow if it

> will help!

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have heard Dr. Cheney speak on this. He was located in Charlotte, NC

and is the foremost doctor for CFS. He said that mercury fillings are

definitely a problem, but that it is too late to fix once you have the

fillings. The mercury is already in your body and only hurts some people

depending on your genetic makeup. He said that removing fillings releases

more mercury, so not to do that. I guess it is like the old asbestos

buildings - taking it out is worse than leaving it in. He uses B12 shots in

very high doses, like 12,000 mg a day which he claims helps to get heavy

metals out of the brain. I got the impression too that if you have

Alzheimer's in your family you may be more genetically injured by mercury,

so this might be a reason to be concerned. However, he still said that

right now removing fillings was worse and it was too late. I don't know if

Cheney is correct. I know my own dentist says that alagams simply do not

leak mercury, but that is the other argument, and, again, who knows.

a Carnes

> From: M Carroll <LCARROLL@...>

>

> Hi All,

> Has anyone had their old silver fillings replaced with the ones that

don't

> contain mercury? I am curious about this and wonder if it will really

have

> as great of a postive effect as I have read. I will do it tomorrow if it

> will help!

> Thanks,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Aha! Yes, now this root canal thing is what Cheney really gets upset about.

He says that root canals are the root of many people's problems because the

tooth is dead and can harbor all sorts of bacteria around it which then get

into the bloodstream. I ended up having to have my first root canal about

six months after I heard him say this. I have a friend with CFS and several

root canals, several of which are bothering her. In her case, I think the

root canals may be a major problem. BTW , I went to a really good

endodontist in Rock Hill for my root canal and talked with him a long time

before deciding not to have my tooth pulled at this time. I am sure many of

you have dealt with dental work not healing for an extra long time, unlike

healthy people. We just seem to have trouble with injuries and infections

in any form.

a Carnes

> From: a Peden <paula.peden@...>

>

> ,

> For years, I had isolated, periodic episodes of individual joints

> swelling badly, with a lot of pain. Then I had all my mercury fillings

> removed because my dentist never liked using mercury and wanted to

> replace them as soon as there was a good substitute. I went a good 6 or

> 7 years without any problems. Then, last year, my new dentist (my old

> one retired), did a root canal and 2 weeks later, the onset of my RA

> began in earnest. Seems to me there has to be some connection there. I

> would never have another mercury filling and I'll also never have

> another root canal.

> a Peden

>

> M Carroll wrote:

> >

> > From: M Carroll <LCARROLL@...>

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Has anyone had their old silver fillings replaced with the ones that

don't

> > contain mercury? I am curious about this and wonder if it will really

have

> > as great of a postive effect as I have read. I will do it tomorrow if it

> > will help!

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, , for sharing this. Pretty scary. So far my one root canal

done a month ago seems to be okay, but I am worried, was worried when I got

it. All I know to do now is to get it looked at or x-rayed if I start to

have problems with it. The dental situation can be a nightmare.

a C.

Re: rheumatic Mercury

>

>

> >From: a Carnes <paulajeanne@...>

> >

> >I have heard Dr. Cheney speak on this. He was located in Charlotte,

> NC

> >and is the foremost doctor for CFS. He said that mercury fillings are

> >definitely a problem, but that it is too late to fix once you have the

> >fillings. The mercury is already in your body and only hurts some people

> >depending on your genetic makeup. He said that removing fillings

releases

> >more mercury, so not to do that. I guess it is like the old asbestos

> >buildings - taking it out is worse than leaving it in. He uses B12 shots

> in

> >very high doses, like 12,000 mg a day which he claims helps to get heavy

> >metals out of the brain. I got the impression too that if you have

> >Alzheimer's in your family you may be more genetically injured by

mercury,

> >so this might be a reason to be concerned. However, he still said that

> >right now removing fillings was worse and it was too late. I don't know

if

> >Cheney is correct. I know my own dentist says that alagams simply do not

> >leak mercury, but that is the other argument, and, again, who knows.

> >a Carnes

> >

> >> From: M Carroll <LCARROLL@...>

> >>

> >> Hi All,

> >> Has anyone had their old silver fillings replaced with the ones that

> >don't

> >> contain mercury? I am curious about this and wonder if it will really

> >have

> >> as great of a postive effect as I have read. I will do it tomorrow if

it

> >> will help!

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >> >

>

[Guest guest]

> a, you can have problems with root canals that manifest with

> symptoms elsewhere in the body.

>

> Ethel

PJ replies:

Yikes! Well, I will keep that in mind. I don't want to have the tooth

pulled. Would a problem show up on an xray of the tooth?

>

[Guest guest]

<< 's pediatrician called last night and is seriously considering testing

for Mercury. Could you please ask what tests he would suggest and what

testing pattern he would use? Please also ask him for 1 or 2 references (I

have already overwhelmed her with info) for why he thinks those tests are

best. I think I have an opportunity here and I don't want to muff it. >>

Fractionated urine porphyrins on a morning urine spot sample run at

Kline Beecham Clinical Labs and interpreted per the table following.

Make sure to order FRACTIONATED URINE PORPHYRINS and CREATININE. You need to

have the doctor get the sample tube from Kline (they will gladly send

it) and give it to you so you can put the urine in it immediately and

dissolve the included preservative pellets by turning the tube over (do not

shake it) slowly and gently 5 or 10 times. Once this is done the sample is

stable, but until it is done the sample can very easily degrade so that you

get back a falsely normal test result from the lab.

Hair Element Analysis per Doctor's Data Laboratory (800-323-2784). Use the

counting rules attached to interprete it for mercury. It also screens for

many other toxic elements which are as a rule elevated if he has them, unlike

mercury.

Urine levels of lactate and pyruvate (which are part of both the Great Plains

Labs and the Metametrix organic acid tests. Metametrix is more informative

but more expensive and on a lot less insurance companies).

There are a very large number of other tests that can be done - see the

diagnostic checklist in <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/noamalgam " >Amalgam

Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment</A> for them. I listed a few simple ones

above that are likely to be informative and that don't require drawing blood.

If the pede really really really wants to draw blood let me know and I can

provide some of the more common blood test results that may be abnormal.

Andy Cutler

APPENDIX

For a Doctor's Data hair element analysis:

If any of the following rules are met, the test is " abnormal " for mineral

transport and suggests heavy metal toxicity. These rules are ONLY for the

Doctor's Data test - tests by other companies need different rules. I highly

recommend using the DDI test. This is the same as what I will post on the

listserver in a few minutes.

Count the number of results that are above " average, " that is above the 50th

percentile line in the middle of the page and the bar extends to the right

instead of to the left.

Count the number of results that are all the way to either edge of the page,

" very elevated " or " very low. "

Count the number of results that are in the middle band of the page, with a

short bar, and are neither " elevated " nor " low. "

the result is abnormal and suggests heavy metal intoxication if any of the

following criteria are met:

the number of essential elements " very elevated " and " very low " is 4 or more.

The number of essential elements entirely inside the middle band is 14 or

less.

The number of essential elements above average is EITHER 5 or less OR it is

18 or more.

If any ONE of these criteria is met, the test result is abnormal.

For Kline fractionated urine porphyhrins:

The paper Age-Dependent Reference Values of Urinary Porphyrins in Children

E I Minder and X Schneider-Yin

Eur J Clin Chem Clin Biochem vol 34 pp 439-443 (1996)

shows graphs of limits for uroporphyrin and coproporphyrins 1 and 3 in

nmol/mol creatinine for spot samples. They also measured some adults and the

results correpond to 24 hour collections.

I converted the graphs into numbers suitable for use with the Kline

fractionated urine porphyrin test available in the US.

Upper normal limit versus age for children:

Age uroporphyrin coproporphyrin

mcg/g cr mcg/g cr

birth 92 203

3 mo 111 165

6 mo 50 137

9 mo 43 71

1 yr 39 78

1.5 yr 64 83

2.25 yr 38 85

3 yr 43 78

4 yr 38 61

6 yr 33 60

9 yr 29 47

15 yr 32 48

adult 29 49

People with mercury poisoning will usually show elevation of coproporphyrins

and sometimes uropoprhyrin. The elevation is usually not a subtle effect 2

or 3 times the upper normal limit being common.

Things other than mercury that elevate liver porphryins include poisoning

with lead, arsenic, etc., liver disease like hepatitis or sometimes

mononucleosis, adverse reactions to certain drugs, and rare genetic

conditions.

[Guest guest]

Dear Andy Cutler,

My son recently had the Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab Elemental Analysis (packed

erythrocytes).

Toxic elements were:

antimony 0.3 (within reference range)

cadmium <dl (less than detection limit)

mercury <dl

silver <dl

thallium <dl

tin 1.3 (within reference range)

Essential Elements were:

copper 1.04 (high)

magnesium 36.2 (within reference)

manganese 0.026 (within reference)

molybdenum <dl

potassium 100.0 (high)

selenium 0.278 (within reference)

zinc 9.3 (within reference)

Do you think this test is reliable in testing for mercury in addition to the

others things it tested for? I believe this was a blood test.

Thank you.

Kenney, DJ's Mom

[Guest guest]

<< Do you think this test is reliable in testing for mercury >>

Blood and urine tests are well known not to be reliable tests for mercury.

Even the current editions of HARRISON'S TEXTBOOK OF INTERNAL MEDICINE and of

CECIL TEXTBOOK OF INTERNAL MEDICINE say this, as does MERRIT'S TEXTBOOK OF

NEUROLOGY. These are as mainstream as a source can be.

The post earlier today about hair analysis (through doctor's data if

possible), urine porphyrins and urine lactate and pyruvate gives more

reliable indicators.

Andy Cutler

[Guest guest]

DenNeg01@... wrote:

> My son recently had the Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab

> Elemental Analysis (packed erythrocytes). <snip>

>

> Essential Elements were:

> copper 1.04 (high)

How high is 'high' -- what is the normal range ?

Does your son test low for ceruloplasmin (copper protein) ?

The following is from the book Mental and Elemental Nutrients,

by Carl C. Pfeiffer, Ph.D., M.D., on page 333 :

EXCESS COPPER AS A POSSIBLE CAUSE OF AUTISM

The changes in copper and iron storage which occur during pregnancy,

suckling and infancy were reviewed by Linder and Munro in 1973. We

know that during the suckling period breast milk is deficient in

copper and iron; the amount of excess copper and iron stored in the

infant's liver should therefore decrease in the first six months of

life. At this time the liver produces the normal copper protein,

ceruloplasmin, which stores copper in the blood serum and prevents

excess absorption. Similarly, ferritin, the iron-containing protein,

is made. Any abnormality which results in inadequate ceruloplasmin

or ferritin could allow excess copper or iron to be absorbed, which

would affect the brain. Both of these metals are stimulants to the

brain and might produce hyperactivity or autism, with developmental

into adulthood being slow or failing to take place normally.

Nothing in the fetal development process protects against excess

copper and iron. An alternative hypothesis is that heavy metals

such as lead and mercury could interfere with the synthesis of

ceruloplasmin or ferritin.

Best regards,

Bill

..

[Guest guest]

<< Does your son test low for ceruloplasmin (copper protein) ?>>

Most people who have a genetic copper abnormality do. The MD's only seem to

konw about the ones where ceruloplasmin shows up abnormal though.

<<The following is from the book Mental and Elemental Nutrients,

by Carl C. Pfeiffer, Ph.D., M.D., on page 333 :

EXCESS COPPER AS A POSSIBLE CAUSE OF AUTISM >>

I'm sure Dr. Pfeiffer got it right. In adults copper tox and mercury tox are

almost indistinguishable clinically. Lab findings are dramatically different

however. Most notably a copper toxic person's hair analysis looks perfectly

normal except for copper levels of 50+, while a mercury toxic person has the

" scattered " look that satisfies the counting rules as indicating abnormal

mineral transport.

Thanks, Bill! I have read some of Pfeiffer's work but had overlooked this

before.

Andy Cutler

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/15/2000 5:52:36 AM, kingsbry@... writes:

<< DenNeg01@... wrote:

> My son recently had the Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab

> Elemental Analysis (packed erythrocytes). <snip>

>

> Essential Elements were:

> copper 1.04 (high)

How high is 'high' -- what is the normal range ?

Does your son test low for ceruloplasmin (copper protein) ?

The following is from the book Mental and Elemental Nutrients,

by Carl C. Pfeiffer, Ph.D., M.D., on page 333 :

EXCESS COPPER AS A POSSIBLE CAUSE OF AUTISM

The changes in copper and iron storage which occur during pregnancy,

suckling and infancy were reviewed by Linder and Munro in 1973. We

know that during the suckling period breast milk is deficient in

copper and iron; the amount of excess copper and iron stored in the

infant's liver should therefore decrease in the first six months of

life. At this time the liver produces the normal copper protein,

ceruloplasmin, which stores copper in the blood serum and prevents

excess absorption. Similarly, ferritin, the iron-containing protein,

is made. Any abnormality which results in inadequate ceruloplasmin

or ferritin could allow excess copper or iron to be absorbed, which

would affect the brain. Both of these metals are stimulants to the

brain and might produce hyperactivity or autism, with developmental

into adulthood being slow or failing to take place normally.

Nothing in the fetal development process protects against excess

copper and iron. An alternative hypothesis is that heavy metals

such as lead and mercury could interfere with the synthesis of

ceruloplasmin or ferritin.

Best regards,

Bill

..

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Bill,

According to Great Smokies' test results, their reference range for copper is

0.48-0.74. It did not test for copper proteins.

[Guest guest]

Any doctor can order a 'ceruloplasmin' test -- assuming they want

(or know how) to look for possible abnormalities relating to the

high copper test result. If your son were to test 'low' for

ceruloplasmin, your doctor will (hopefully) know what that means,

and what to do about it.

Be aware that many 'orthodox' MDs believe that the Great Smokies

Diagnostic Lab is not an 'acceptable' lab, so they may tell you

that you'll need to repeat the copper (packed erythrocytes) test.

If they do repeat the copper test (not a bad idea), ask them to

re-do the 'packed erythrocytes' type of copper test -- although

they may say the standard (less expensive?) copper test is enough.

Bill

>Dear Bill,

>According to Great Smokies' test results, their reference range for

>copper is 0.48-0.74. It did not test for copper proteins.

-------- Original message --------

>In a message dated 7/15/2000 5:52:36 AM, kingsbry@... writes:

>

><< DenNeg01@... wrote:

>> My son recently had the Great Smokies Diagnostic Lab

>> Elemental Analysis (packed erythrocytes). <snip>

>>

>> Essential Elements were:

>> copper 1.04 (high)

>

>

>How high is 'high' -- what is the normal range ?

>Does your son test low for ceruloplasmin (copper protein) ?

>

>The following is from the book Mental and Elemental Nutrients,

>by Carl C. Pfeiffer, Ph.D., M.D., on page 333 :

>

>EXCESS COPPER AS A POSSIBLE CAUSE OF AUTISM

>

>The changes in copper and iron storage which occur during pregnancy,

>suckling and infancy were reviewed by Linder and Munro in 1973. We

>know that during the suckling period breast milk is deficient in

>copper and iron; the amount of excess copper and iron stored in the

>infant's liver should therefore decrease in the first six months of

>life. At this time the liver produces the normal copper protein,

>ceruloplasmin, which stores copper in the blood serum and prevents

>excess absorption. Similarly, ferritin, the iron-containing protein,

>is made. Any abnormality which results in inadequate ceruloplasmin

>or ferritin could allow excess copper or iron to be absorbed, which

>would affect the brain. Both of these metals are stimulants to the

>brain and might produce hyperactivity or autism, with developmental

>into adulthood being slow or failing to take place normally.

>Nothing in the fetal development process protects against excess

>copper and iron. An alternative hypothesis is that heavy metals

>such as lead and mercury could interfere with the synthesis of

>ceruloplasmin or ferritin.

>

>

>

>

>Best regards,

>

>Bill

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

<< According to Great Smokies' test results, their reference range for copper

is

0.48-0.74. It did not test for copper proteins. >>

Not being a super-smart licensed health care practitioner, but simply a dumb

Ph.D. I guess it naively seems to me that just knowing this one abnormal does

suggest excluding copper and doing things to inhibit absorption and

accellerate excretion and seeing if that helps. Copper poisoning is very

similar to mercury poisoning and if you think autism may be caused by mercury

then it is pretty reasonable to assume copper could cause it too.

I have the advantage of having run across a few people with copper levels

like this and they do mostly have normal levels of copper transport proteins.

They also got better when they reduced their copper levels.

Andy Cutler

[Guest guest]

The below message seems to be written on the assumption that MD's actually

know what they are doing in the area of copper tox, and are correct in their

assertion that the only disease of copper metabolism is 's Disease.

There are many diseases of copper metabolism other than 's disease.

In 's disease, copper in blood is LOW, not high. Ceruloplasmin is

also low.

In the other diseases that are not recognized by most MD's, blood copper is

elevated and ceruloplasmin is normal. Since the kid has elevated blood

copper there is no need for the ceruloplasmin test.

The treatment for all copper buildup diseases is the same - reduced dietary

intake, zinc and molybdenum to inhibit absorption, taurine, glycine and

milk thistle to increase bile flow, and antioxidants to prevent toxin

induced damage. With only one treatment to choose from there isn't a need

for further testing if someone shows up as having high copper in some or

other test.

Andy Cutler

PS the Pfeiffer Center in Naperville IL specializes in treating these kinds

of copper disorders. Some parents on the list have tried them and I will

leave it to them to offer their comments if they wish.

<< Any doctor can order a 'ceruloplasmin' test -- assuming they want

(or know how) to look for possible abnormalities relating to the

high copper test result. If your son were to test 'low' for

ceruloplasmin, your doctor will (hopefully) know what that means,

and what to do about it.

Be aware that many 'orthodox' MDs believe that the Great Smokies

Diagnostic Lab is not an 'acceptable' lab, so they may tell you

that you'll need to repeat the copper (packed erythrocytes) test.

If they do repeat the copper test (not a bad idea), ask them to

re-do the 'packed erythrocytes' type of copper test -- although

they may say the standard (less expensive?) copper test is enough. >>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 07/17/2000 2:10:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

AndyCutler@... writes:

<< The treatment for all copper buildup diseases is the same - reduced

dietary

intake, zinc and molybdenum to inhibit absorption, taurine, glycine and

milk thistle to increase bile flow, and antioxidants to prevent toxin

induced damage. With only one treatment to choose from there isn't a need

for further testing if someone shows up as having high copper in some or

other test.

>>

Andy:

This may be a repeat question...but where do we get copper in our diets? My

sons copper was the highest level in his test. The reference range was 9-23

and his was 192! (Some could be from our swimming pool according to the

report.) Aluminum reference range was 0-9 and his was 31.6. Then the

manganese reference range was 0.08-0.35 and his was 1.24. Cadmium, Lead,

Nickel and Tin were all " borderline high " . Cobalt and Molybdenum were

borderline high while Calcium,Chromium,Boron,Lithium,Rubidium,and Strontium

were borderline low. As was sodium, potassium and iron. The lowest were

Magnesium - reference range was 18-80 and his was 13.87, Zinc - reference

range was 105-175 and his was 45, Iodine - reference range was 0.35-2.5 and

his was 0.21, and phosphorous - reference range was 98-180 and his was 84.

Again, the mercury was within reference range - which was reported to be 0-1

and his was 0.04. Sorry to bother you with all these numbers, but I am

needing to treat him on my own until my doctors play " catch up " on chelation!

Thanks.

All My Best,

[Guest guest]

<< This may be a repeat question...but where do we get copper in our diets? >>

Beans and lentils, nuts, shellfish, organ meats, sometimes it is sprayed on

produce to retard fungus, and it is in many nutritional supplements.

Vegetarian diets are often particularly high in copper.

Soybeans, tofu, etc are high and soy products are used to extend a lot of

fast food hamburger and are also in all those meatless sausages, burgers,

bacon, etc.

It may also be in drinking water.

It is used as an anti-fouling agent in swimming pools and jacuzzi's.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Oh andy, do you have something I can forward this misgiven person?

KATHY

Re: Mercury

>

>>

>>True, so have fillings in your teeth. I also would think

>>the environment at large has enough mercury to do

>>us in as well (And other metals of course).

>

>The incidents of mercury poisoning from fillings has dropped tremendously

>since amalgam is not mixed by hand anymore it's in preloaded capsules that

>have been premeasured so people don't get heavy handed with it.

>

>Human kind has been around for THOUSANDS of years and are living longer and

>longer....

>________________________________________________________________________

>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

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>

[Guest guest]

Is urine pyruvate a better indicator than blood

pyruvate ? - why ?

thx

paul

--- AndyCutler@... wrote:

> << Do you think this test is reliable in testing for

> mercury >>

>

and urine lactate and

> pyruvate gives more

> reliable indicators.

>

> Andy Cutler

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Andy,

While I was at the DAN! think tank this weekend, I talked to Jon

Pangborn about (Great Smokies) about setting up some tests we would

really like to have. One of them was urine precoproporphyrin. I

hope they will be able to set this one up, test it and have it

up and running for commercial use within a few months. This hopefully

will be better than what it currently available.

I also talked to him about offering a sulfate " package " - most

are tests they already do - like plasma sulfate, etc. We discussed

adding in some things they don't offer yet like sulfite oxidase

activity and so forth. If they could offer a package at a

reasonable price, I think it would be very helpful to a lot of

us.

Amy

------------------ Reply Separator --------------------

Originally From: AndyCutler@...

Subject: Re: [ ] mercury

Date: 07/14/2000 01:16pm

<< 's pediatrician called last night and is seriously considering

testing

for Mercury. Could you please ask what tests he would suggest and

what

testing pattern he would use? Please also ask him for 1 or 2

references (I

have already overwhelmed her with info) for why he thinks those tests

are

best. I think I have an opportunity here and I don't want to muff it.

>>

Fractionated urine porphyrins on a morning urine spot sample run at

Kline Beecham Clinical Labs and interpreted per the table

following.

Make sure to order FRACTIONATED URINE PORPHYRINS and CREATININE. You

need to

have the doctor get the sample tube from Kline (they will gladly

send

it) and give it to you so you can put the urine in it immediately and

dissolve the included preservative pellets by turning the tube over

(do not

shake it) slowly and gently 5 or 10 times. Once this is done the

sample is

stable, but until it is done the sample can very easily degrade so

that you

get back a falsely normal test result from the lab.

Hair Element Analysis per Doctor's Data Laboratory (800-323-2784).

Use the

counting rules attached to interprete it for mercury. It also screens

for

many other toxic elements which are as a rule elevated if he has them,

unlike

mercury.

Urine levels of lactate and pyruvate (which are part of both the Great

Plains

Labs and the Metametrix organic acid tests. Metametrix is more

informative

but more expensive and on a lot less insurance companies).

There are a very large number of other tests that can be done - see

the

diagnostic checklist in <A

HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/noamalgam " >Amalgam

Illness: Diagnosis and Treatment</A> for them. I listed a few simple

ones

above that are likely to be informative and that don't require drawing

blood.

If the pede really really really wants to draw blood let me know and

I can

provide some of the more common blood test results that may be

abnormal.

Andy Cutler

APPENDIX

For a Doctor's Data hair element analysis:

If any of the following rules are met, the test is " abnormal " for

mineral

transport and suggests heavy metal toxicity. These rules are ONLY for

the

Doctor's Data test - tests by other companies need different rules. I

highly

recommend using the DDI test. This is the same as what I will post on

the

listserver in a few minutes.

Count the number of results that are above " average, " that is above

the 50th

percentile line in the middle of the page and the bar extends to the

right

instead of to the left.

Count the number of results that are all the way to either edge of the

page,

" very elevated " or " very low. "

Count the number of results that are in the middle band of the page,

with a

short bar, and are neither " elevated " nor " low. "

the result is abnormal and suggests heavy metal intoxication if any of

the

following criteria are met:

the number of essential elements " very elevated " and " very low " is 4

or more.

The number of essential elements entirely inside the middle band is 14

or

less.

The number of essential elements above average is EITHER 5 or less OR

it is

18 or more.

If any ONE of these criteria is met, the test result is abnormal.

For Kline fractionated urine porphyhrins:

The paper Age-Dependent Reference Values of Urinary Porphyrins in

Children

E I Minder and X Schneider-Yin

Eur J Clin Chem Clin Biochem vol 34 pp 439-443 (1996)

shows graphs of limits for uroporphyrin and coproporphyrins 1 and 3 in

nmol/mol creatinine for spot samples. They also measured some adults

and the

results correpond to 24 hour collections.

I converted the graphs into numbers suitable for use with the

Kline

fractionated urine porphyrin test available in the US.

Upper normal limit versus age for children:

Age uroporphyrin coproporphyrin

mcg/g cr mcg/g cr

birth 92 203

3 mo 111 165

6 mo 50 137

9 mo 43 71

1 yr 39 78

1.5 yr 64 83

2.25 yr 38 85

3 yr 43 78

4 yr 38 61

6 yr 33 60

9 yr 29 47

15 yr 32 48

adult 29 49

People with mercury poisoning will usually show elevation of

coproporphyrins

and sometimes uropoprhyrin. The elevation is usually not a subtle

effect 2

or 3 times the upper normal limit being common.

Things other than mercury that elevate liver porphryins include

poisoning

with lead, arsenic, etc., liver disease like hepatitis or sometimes

mononucleosis, adverse reactions to certain drugs, and rare genetic

conditions.

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[Guest guest]

I started our first round of DMSA with ALA treatment, this induced three grand mals after the first round for my son, but this may be confused with cocurrent weanings of meds, my other daughter with autism did ok, but rather drained. I would invite you to gather lots of info from an autism mercury list (www. go to autism treatmentegroups look at archives), which several doctors are on, in essence, we are pioneering the procedure with autistic children. I am personally looking into building their immune systems with various things as well as homeopathic drainers from www.hvslabs.com . Did you get all the information about the autism mercury paper presented by people in the scientific autism community? If not, I can forward that to you. I will get Andy Cutler PhD and also Dr Amy Holmes to email you personally about the procedure.(if they would be so kind) Also to note, their will be a confernce in San Diego presented by the Autism Research Institute Sept 15, 16 and 17th. The 15th will be an all day training session for licensed healthcare practitioners on how to implement the DAN protocol (defeat autism now). Speakers will be Sidney Baker,all MD or phD, Bock, Cave, Jane El-Dahr, Sudhir Gupta (the famous), , Woody McGinnis, Megson, Jon PAngorn, Candace PErt, KArl Reichelt, Bernard Rimland, Kareyn Seroussi (parent) Shattock, SToll and Wakefiled (from lancet reporting autistic enterocolitis induced from vaccines). This will be a ground breaking conference as the push will be what is happening to these kids with autism induced vaccinosis as well as mercury and heavy metals problems, to secretin, to IVig, fatty acids, detox strategems, candida, cassein and gluten free diets and VACCINES. Ground breaking, got to be there, please! Fax registration is 973-940-7962 or internet registration at www.autism.com/ari

My hope is to educate every doctor who will listen, blessings in Him <><

MercurySeptember 5, 2000Jim BlancoE-mail: kblanco@...Dear Mr. Blanco:Unfortunately, I have no experience with the procedures for getting mercury out of the brain.On the other hand, I would be very interested to hear what more knowledgeable people have to say and what your experiences will in the end be when you try to go through a detox program.Good luck and best wishes.Sincerely yours,Gunnar Heuser, M.D.GH:cr

[Guest guest]

Infants and children who have received thimerosal-containing vaccines do not

need to have blood, urine, or hair tested for mercury because the

concentrations of mercury would be quite low and would not require treatment.

Yeah right

On the one hand they are trying to reduce or eliminate mercury from vaccines

, but apparently they don't think it much of a concern to test for mercury.

WHY because TOO much might be found and it might cause problems for their

vaccines . Maybe they will be found out.

[Guest guest]

then why would Skaggs or Albertsons or whatever it's called now bother to take

those themothers, with that tiny little bit of mercury off the shelves? And in

the guidelines if mercuy is spilled at shool, the school is shutdown and the

whitecoat will come in and clean with mercuy soap? and then it will be checked

for mercury level. Why is it poison on the floor? Poison setting wrapped on a

shelf? but no need to check for level if it's put into our children's body.

It's

Stupid.

kc62765@... wrote:

>

> Infants and children who have received thimerosal-containing vaccines do not

> need to have blood, urine, or hair tested for mercury because the

> concentrations of mercury would be quite low and would not require treatment.

> Yeah right

> On the one hand they are trying to reduce or eliminate mercury from vaccines

> , but apparently they don't think it much of a concern to test for mercury.

> WHY because TOO much might be found and it might cause problems for their

> vaccines . Maybe they will be found out.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gloria,

There are tests which tests many metals because I had them several years ago.

I don't remember however if the heavy metal testing comes from a urinalysis

or a blood test or a hair sample. I know the test is available, however. My

highest level was arsenic. That suprised me and then recently I saw an ad on

television that said that it was a side effect of smoking. I grew up in a

house with 2 smokers (my parents). I have never smoked. Passive smoking is

really bad.

Carol

[Guest guest]

I think there is a hair test for metals.

rheumatic mercury

> Hi group,

> Isn't there a test for determining if you have any mercury or other

metals

> in your body? Like a blood test? I am just not sure about the need to

get

> all that dental work done.

> love,

> Gloria

>

>

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had a hair analysis done (should no metal toxicity), and a urinalysis done

(showed VERY high mercury)....

-Mike-

rheumatic mercury

Hi group,

Isn't there a test for determining if you have any mercury or other metals

in your body? Like a blood test? I am just not sure about the need to get

all that dental work done.

love,

Gloria

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