(No subject)

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Bozarth,

Is there any advice you can give to an enlisted sailor about to get the

" order " ? RAM USN

[Guest guest]

IMRAM29:

Where are you stationed?

Traci York

IMRAM29@... wrote:

> From: IMRAM29@...

>

> Dear Mr. Bozarth,

> Is there any advice you can give to an enlisted sailor about to get the

> " order " ? RAM USN

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

The 21 young men in Okinawa (one being my son) have received 3 Article 15's so

by all means every call their congressman and make a " big stink. " I have an

appointment to meet with my congressman (himself - not his staff assistant)

this Wednesday.

[Guest guest]

All 21 in Okinawa received 3 NJP (non-judicial punishment). Four had

requested court martials. They were offered the NJP, after the 3rd NJP to the

others, instead of the court martial and they took the NJP.

[Guest guest]

Have all 21 men in Okinawa each received 3 Article 15's (3 each per man) or

3 of the men have received one Article 15 each?

Thanks---- Hefner

----------

> From: User102241@

> onelist

> Subject: Re: (no subject)

> Date: Sunday, January 24, 1999 3:58 PM

>

> From: User102241@

>

> The 21 young men in Okinawa (one being my son) have received 3 Article

15's so

> by all means every call their congressman and make a " big stink. " I have

an

> appointment to meet with my congressman (himself - not his staff

assistant)

> this Wednesday.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The only advise that I can give is very personal. No matter the

punishment, I would refuse based on the evidence that does not exist

in regards to safety and efficacy. I wish I could say with confidence

that no will really be brought up on charges of Disobeying an order

(And followed through with), it still is a question of punishment or

your life. I feel that based on my experience that most individuals

my have to endure Article 15's and maybe short confinement although I

think if FAMILIES MAKE A REALLY BIG STINK! on behalf of their sons &

daughters the Military can't handle the scrutiny!

Anyone out there facing this possibilty, let the list know so we can

contact our elected reps to protest this witch hunt!

Hope that helps,

Gerry

P.S. I am in Washington State (Air National Guard).

Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:54:24 -0600

From: Rob & Traci York <robertyork@...>

onelist

Reply-to: onelist

Subject: Re: (no subject)

From: Rob & Traci York <robertyork@...>

IMRAM29:

Where are you stationed?

Traci York

IMRAM29@... wrote:

> From: IMRAM29@...

>

> Dear Mr. Bozarth,

> Is there any advice you can give to an enlisted sailor about to get the

> " order " ? RAM USN

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[Guest guest]

Immunocal rips no one off. Doctor Bounous has dedicated ove 20 years

of research to refine Immunocal and to determine all of its benefits.

Other whey's have benifit but they only have Dr. Bounous research. And

by the way Dr. Barashal was a doctor who colaborated many studies using

immunocal as the whey protein concentrate.

Sorry can't agree

Debbie

tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=2561

> Immunocal is nothing more than a cold processed Whey protein!

>

> do not be ripped off by Immunocal!

>

> You can buy the same cold processed Whey protein a lot cheaper!

>

> for a much better Whey protein that is a lot cheaper go to:

>

> http://lef.org/prod_hp/php558.html

> __________________________________________

> NetZero - Defenders of the Free World

> Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at

> http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

[Guest guest]

Tom

I went and checked out the site you recommended. And if you knew as

much about immunocal as you think you wouldn't call it a rip off.

Imitators are rip offs.

It stears people from the truth. And this is the truth.

IMMUNOCAL COMPARED HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH OTHER WHEY PROTEINS AND MILK

PRODUCTS

Many milk derivatives and whey products exist on the marketplace for

health-conscious individuals. These products are extremely variable in

their protein content, their concentration, the amount of

denaturization(damage to the original protein structure), the actual

types of proteins present, and other factors which play important roles

in the effectiveness of the product.

Immunocal is over 90% pure protein, a figure you will not find with

other products. It contains sub-families of proteins with the highest

levels of glutathione precursors (building blocks) available. The

proprietary process of protein extraction used leaves the proteins

intact(undenatured) in their natural form which accounts for our

ability to deliver high levels of cystine and cysteine to the cell.

Both the fat and lactose content are negligibly low, unlike most whey

proteins available.

Of critical importance is the biological activity associated with the

proteins involved. The vast majority of whey proteins do not test for

this factor. The research most of these companies use as claims for

their product are in fact done by Dr. Bounous and his team toward the

development of Immunocal. Whether any of these products actually work

or not has been anybldy's guess because they have not withstood the

test of real research. We have taken the liberty over the years to take

their products to the lab and test them for biological activity. This

is best expressed as the ability to mount an immune response. In fact

some other proteins blunted the immune response. It is clear in the

following graphs and tables on the next page. the effectiveness of

Immunocal compared head-to-head with other available products including

some of the largest selling whey concentrates on the market.

The field of natural health care products will only truly advance if it

is based in real research and quality control. Use the products that

are legitimately proven and patented to be effective.

CHART EXPLANTION

tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=2561

> Immunocal is nothing more than a cold processed Whey protein!

>

> do not be ripped off by Immunocal!

>

> You can buy the same cold processed Whey protein a lot cheaper!

>

> for a much better Whey protein that is a lot cheaper go to:

>

> http://lef.org/prod_hp/php558.html

> __________________________________________

> NetZero - Defenders of the Free World

> Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at

> http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

[Guest guest]

Tom

Thanks for sending me that web site for the less expensive whey

protein. It prompted me to post this and send it off to you.

IMMUNOCAL COMPARED HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH OTHER WHEY PROTEINS AND MILK

PRODUCTS

Many milk derivaties and whey products exist on the marketplace for

health-conscious individuals. These products are extremely variable in

their protein content, their concentration, the amount of

denaturization (damage to the original protein structure), the actual

types of proteins present, and other factors which play important roles

in the effectiveness of the product.

Immunocal is over 90% pure protein, a figure you will not find with

other products. It contains sub-families of proteins with the highest

levels of glutathione precursors (building blocks) available. The

proprietary process of protein extraction used leaves the proteins

intact(undenatured) in their natural form which accounts for our

ability to deliver high levels of cystine and cysteine to the cell.

Both the fat and lactose content are negligibly low, unlike most whey

proteins available.

Of critical importance is the biological activity associated with the

proteins involved. The vast majority of whey proteins do not test for

this factor. The research most of these companies use as claims for

their product are in fact done by Dr. Bounous and his team toward the

development of Immunocal. Whether any of these products actually work

or not has been anybody's guess because they have not withstood the

test of real research. We have taken the liberty over the years to take

their products to the lab and test them for biological activity. This

is best expressed as the ability to mount an immune response. In fact

some other proteins blunted the immune response. It is clear in the

following graphs and tables on the next page, the effectiveness of

Immunocal compared head-to-head with other available products including

some of the largest selling whey concentrates on the market.

The field of natural health care products will only trully advance if

is based in real research and quality control. Use the products that

are legitimately proven and patented to be effective.

CHART EXPLANATION (sorry charts not included, I don't have a scanner)

1- Lymphocyte GSH - Adapted from: Bounous G, Gold P, Clinical

Invextigative Medicine 14:296-309, 1991

This graph depicts immune response after the groups were injected with

a " foreign antigen " , which the body recognizes as " the invader " . In

this case sheep red blood cells were used as the immunization. The body

then responds by the multiplication of certain white blood cells, or

immune cells. In this study the cells examined were the lymphocytes.

The limiting factor to the ongoing growth and strength of these

lymphocytes is their level of available GSH. These levels were measured

2 days and 6 days after injection. The groups involved either had been

fed Immunocal, or casein(another milk protein derivative), or a popular

commercial whey protein, or a standardized meal(control group), for a

period of three weeks. You can see that after 6 days the Immunocal

group had almost 20%higher glutathione(GSH) levels than the control

group and almost 30% higher levels than the other treatment groups. On

a cellular level this kind of difference is quite dramatic. Also note

that the other groups including the other whey protein group, did in

fact do poorer than the control group. The control group by definition

was at 100% so a bar graph does not depict them here.

2- BIOLOGICAL ACTIVITY OF WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATES- Adapted from:

BounousG, Gold P, Clinical Investigatie Medicine 14296-309,1991

Eight groups were included in this study; those fed Immunocal, a casein

protein group, and six other groups fed different whey protein products

on the market. Again an immune response was provoked by injecting sheep

red blood cells as a foreign antigen. What was measured in this case

was the formation of plaque-forming cells in the spleen. This is a

reflection of antibody production in the body. Please note that the

Immunocal group was producing 220% more than the next best group, and

over 475% more than the lowest group,

3- INCREASE OF GSH PERIPHERAL BLOOD MONONUCLEAR CELLS - Adapted from:

Baruchel S, ViauG, Olivier R, Bounous G, Wainberg MA, Oxidative Stress

In Cancer Aids and Neurodegenerative Diseases, Editors Montagnier L,

Olivier R, Pasquier C. pgs. 447-461 1998

In collaboration with Dr. R. Olivier at the Pasteur Institute, Dr. S.

Baruchel developed a special assay to measure the GSH-promoting

activity of currently available serum milk protein and whey products.

This assay measures the GSH content in mononuclear cells (another key

white blood cell in your immune system) after exposure to varying

proteins. The GSH is depicted in this graph as a percentage increase

compared to the control group. The Immuncal monocytes produced 50% more

than the next best wehy, and was ten times more effective than the

lowest one(which incidentally is one of the best selling whey proteins

in the country.

At first glance this does not seem like a trementdous difference , but

in truth the difference is in fact quite critical at a cellular level.

Picture two baseball teams you have a choice to play on. One team

called " Whey-A " has a team batting average of .250. Playing in the

national virus league, this team should win some of its games, but no

sure guarantee. The immunocal team has a batting average which is 50%

better, that would be a .325. You can be sure this team is going to win

the championship easily, tournament after tournament, year after year.

This wasn't posted to slam any product, but to let people know of

research that has gone on or is going on proving what is best for the

body.Immunocal has been researched for over 20 years with seven method

of use patents. I like to know my options but I also want the best

option.

So I have to not so quietly say " IMMUNOCAL IS NOT A RIP OFF " nor is the

doctor or doctor's involved in all this. What is a rip off is when

other people take someone else's established research and use it to the

best of there advantage to sway you from the truth, and then make it

look even better because it is oh so much cheaper. This is a difference

between life and death, Standford University can tell how close to

death someone with HIV is by the lack of Glutathione in there cells. I

don't want to hope I'm doing the right thing, I want to know I am.

Debbie

Debbie

tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=2561

> Immunocal is nothing more than a cold processed Whey protein!

>

> do not be ripped off by Immunocal!

>

> You can buy the same cold processed Whey protein a lot cheaper!

>

> for a much better Whey protein that is a lot cheaper go to:

>

> http://lef.org/prod_hp/php558.html

> __________________________________________

> NetZero - Defenders of the Free World

> Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at

> http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

[Guest guest]

I do not believe anything that an Immunocal sales rep says!

they are just trying to sale Immunocal. They do not want you to

buy any other product..... so they always say that Immunocal is

better.

If I was a millionaire I would still only buy

Enhanced Life Extension Protein!

because it is the best!

http://lef.org/prod_desc/item558.html

[Guest guest]

Does anyone know anything about this product? I don't.

Thanks,

Melinda

www.cancure.org

Cancer Cure Foundation

(no subject)

>Have you any information about an herb called Cantilaid, I read it may

>helpful in the treatment for cancer. I would appreciated your response.

>

> Thank you

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, me too. And I wouldn't sell anything else.

I do not believe anything that an Immunocal sales rep says!

they are just trying to sale Immunocal. They do not want you to

buy any other product..... so they always say that Immunocal is

better.

If I was a millionaire I would still only buy

Enhanced Life Extension Protein!

because it is the best!

http://lef.org/prod_desc/item558.html

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[Guest guest]

In responce I would like to add, the majority of the information I have

posted have come from medical profesionals not affiliated with

Immunocal. I did this for a reason. I have not sold you anything, I

have shared info with you that I thought you would like to know, to

make good choices. I am not slamming your alternative, but what I would

like to know is this. Dr. Baruchel developed a special assay to measure

the GSH-promoting activity of currently available serum milk protein

and whey products. This assay measures the GSH content in mononuclear

cells(another key white blood cell in your immune system) after

exposure to varying proteins. This was done in 1998 and from other info

I have the two whey proteins that were compared to Immunocal were

Optimune and Ultimate Designer Protein. Now how come you think you

should use Dr.S Baruchel, Dr. G Bounous and Dr. Kenedy and other

colleages to promote whey and glutathione when it is Immunocal not

these other products being used in this information? Do you know

something I don't? Cause seriously guys other than money where do you

get off promoting Dr. Bounous and info and the next minute slamming him

for his product that was used to produce this info. I am trully

confusesed.

Deb

jrte-@... (jerry rollins) wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=2571

> Yeah, me too. And I wouldn't sell anything else.

>

>

>

> I do not believe anything that an Immunocal sales rep says!

>

> they are just trying to sale Immunocal. They do not want you to

> buy any other product..... so they always say that Immunocal is

> better.

>

> If I was a millionaire I would still only buy

> Enhanced Life Extension Protein!

> because it is the best!

>

> http://lef.org/prod_desc/item558.html

>

[Guest guest]

To Debbie:

Well done, Debbie -- your reasoning makes perfect sense to me. I find it so

annoying when people who are still in unpleasant and dangerous physical

conditions, despite having tried whatever has met whatever 'criteria' they

feel are appropriate, are so full of what sounds like pure hatred at the

thought that someone could be making a profit from something they have

discovered and processed for everyone's benefit. Talk about not seeing the

forest for the trees. And I feel that Immunocal may be something extra

which will help my mother in addition to the phenomenal but underrated on

this mailing list Mannatech products!

Sandy

hamonicd@... wrote:

> Tom

> Thanks for sending me that web site for the less expensive whey

> protein. It prompted me to post this and send it off to you.

>

> IMMUNOCAL COMPARED HEAD-TO-HEAD WITH OTHER WHEY PROTEINS AND MILK

> PRODUCTS

>

> Many milk derivaties and whey products exist on the marketplace for

> health-conscious individuals. These products are extremely variable in

> their protein content, their concentration, the amount of

> denaturization (damage to the original protein structure), the actual

> types of proteins present, and other factors which play important roles

> in the effectiveness of the product.

>

> Immunocal is over 90% pure protein, a figure you will not find with

> other products. It contains sub-families of proteins with the highest

> levels of glutathione precursors (building blocks) available. The

> proprietary process of protein extraction used leaves the proteins

> intact(undenatured) in their natural form which accounts for our

> ability to deliver high levels of cystine and cysteine to the cell.

> Both the fat and lactose content are negligibly low, unlike most whey

> proteins available.

>

> Of critical importance is the biological activity associated with the

> proteins involved. The vast majority of whey proteins do not test for

> this factor. The research most of these companies use as claims for

> their product are in fact done by Dr. Bounous and his team toward the

> development of Immunocal. Whether any of these products actually work

> or not has been anybody's guess because they have not withstood the

> test of real research. We have taken the liberty over the years to take

> their products to the lab and test them for biological activity. This

> is best expressed as the ability to mount an immune response. In fact

> some other proteins blunted the immune response. It is clear in the

> following graphs and tables on the next page, the effectiveness of

> Immunocal compared head-to-head with other available products including

> some of the largest selling whey concentrates on the market.

>

> The field of natural health care products will only trully advance if

> is based in real research and quality control. Use the products that

> are legitimately proven and patented to be effective.

>

> CHART EXPLANATION (sorry charts not included, I don't have a scanner)

> 1- Lymphocyte GSH - Adapted from: Bounous G, Gold P, Clinical

> Invextigative Medicine 14:296-309, 1991

>

> This graph depicts immune response after the groups were injected with

> a " foreign antigen " , which the body recognizes as " the invader " . In

> this case sheep red blood cells were used as the immunization. The body

> then responds by the multiplication of certain white blood cells, or

> immune cells. In this study the cells examined were the lymphocytes.

> The limiting factor to the ongoing growth and strength of these

> lymphocytes is their level of available GSH. These levels were measured

> 2 days and 6 days after injection. The groups involved either had been

> fed Immunocal, or casein(another milk protein derivative), or a popular

> commercial whey protein, or a standardized meal(control group), for a

> period of three weeks. You can see that after 6 days the Immunocal

> group had almost 20%higher glutathione(GSH) levels than the control

> group and almost 30% higher levels than the other treatment groups. On

> a cellular level this kind of difference is quite dramatic. Also note

> that the other groups including the other whey protein group, did in

> fact do poorer than the control group. The control group by definition

> was at 100% so a bar graph does not depict them here.

>

> 2- BIOLOGICAL ACTIVITY OF WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATES- Adapted from:

> BounousG, Gold P, Clinical Investigatie Medicine 14296-309,1991

>

> Eight groups were included in this study; those fed Immunocal, a casein

> protein group, and six other groups fed different whey protein products

> on the market. Again an immune response was provoked by injecting sheep

> red blood cells as a foreign antigen. What was measured in this case

> was the formation of plaque-forming cells in the spleen. This is a

> reflection of antibody production in the body. Please note that the

> Immunocal group was producing 220% more than the next best group, and

> over 475% more than the lowest group,

>

> 3- INCREASE OF GSH PERIPHERAL BLOOD MONONUCLEAR CELLS - Adapted from:

> Baruchel S, ViauG, Olivier R, Bounous G, Wainberg MA, Oxidative Stress

> In Cancer Aids and Neurodegenerative Diseases, Editors Montagnier L,

> Olivier R, Pasquier C. pgs. 447-461 1998

>

> In collaboration with Dr. R. Olivier at the Pasteur Institute, Dr. S.

> Baruchel developed a special assay to measure the GSH-promoting

> activity of currently available serum milk protein and whey products.

> This assay measures the GSH content in mononuclear cells (another key

> white blood cell in your immune system) after exposure to varying

> proteins. The GSH is depicted in this graph as a percentage increase

> compared to the control group. The Immuncal monocytes produced 50% more

> than the next best wehy, and was ten times more effective than the

> lowest one(which incidentally is one of the best selling whey proteins

> in the country.

>

> At first glance this does not seem like a trementdous difference , but

> in truth the difference is in fact quite critical at a cellular level.

>

> Picture two baseball teams you have a choice to play on. One team

> called " Whey-A " has a team batting average of .250. Playing in the

> national virus league, this team should win some of its games, but no

> sure guarantee. The immunocal team has a batting average which is 50%

> better, that would be a .325. You can be sure this team is going to win

> the championship easily, tournament after tournament, year after year.

>

> This wasn't posted to slam any product, but to let people know of

> research that has gone on or is going on proving what is best for the

> body.Immunocal has been researched for over 20 years with seven method

> of use patents. I like to know my options but I also want the best

> option.

> So I have to not so quietly say " IMMUNOCAL IS NOT A RIP OFF " nor is the

> doctor or doctor's involved in all this. What is a rip off is when

> other people take someone else's established research and use it to the

> best of there advantage to sway you from the truth, and then make it

> look even better because it is oh so much cheaper. This is a difference

> between life and death, Standford University can tell how close to

> death someone with HIV is by the lack of Glutathione in there cells. I

> don't want to hope I'm doing the right thing, I want to know I am.

> Debbie

> Debbie

>

> tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

> original article:cures for cancer/?start=2561

> > Immunocal is nothing more than a cold processed Whey protein!

> >

> > do not be ripped off by Immunocal!

> >

> > You can buy the same cold processed Whey protein a lot cheaper!

> >

> > for a much better Whey protein that is a lot cheaper go to:

> >

> > http://lef.org/prod_hp/php558.html

> > __________________________________________

> > NetZero - Defenders of the Free World

> > Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at

> > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

> Debbie,

> An AUTO immune disease, is sort of the opposite of ACQUIRED immune

deficiency

> disease, as in AIDS.

> Rosy

This may seem so superficially, but Debbie is closer to correct. Both

are typically reactions to antigen exposure. Here the prefix " auto- "

refers to self, not something that is automatic or idiopathic. These are

often triggered by such things as an induction of heterophile immunity by a

microbial cell wall. Examples might be adjuvant arthritis or spondylitis.

It is nonetheless inducible and therefore acquired.

The vague condition known as AIDS is " acquired " from a synthetic

retrovirus that requires a co-viral or chemical cofactor to replicate. The

stated purpose of its creation was the selective culling of what the US

government considers to be less desirable subpopulations (NSM-200). Details

on the contracts for its development can be found in the Progress Reports of

the Special Virus Cancer Program of the late 60's and early 70's.

I have been searching through these reports as I find it hard to

believe that the government would create such an insidious weapon without

developing some sort of defense in case it got out of hand. The retroviral

research during those years is equally applicable to most cancers. Are the

vaccines and antisera developed during those years effective against cancer?

There are no reports of tests. It seems that the only cancer treatments

that are ever approved are those that are marginal at best.

I am not interested in arguing with anyone as to whether the US

government actually dispersed these immune-attacking viruses they made or it

was all an incredible coincidence. I'm only interested in disinterring

suppressed preventions and treatments.

[Guest guest]

Liz--

Having something " documented " in the Congressional Records, is not an

indication of its being correct or true. It simply records what was said

during a particular session. It's similar to court recordings. It does not

imply investigation of the verity of the statements.

Rosy

[Guest guest]

Each generation is not getting weaker. In earlier generations they didn't

live long enough to get some of the diseases so common now.

Rosy

[Guest guest]

Hello, As I understand it, the ORIGINAL Vaccines were doing a good job in

boosting the immune system to overcome that disease being vaccinated

against. Then came the dark side of 'Medicine' population control, in the

hands of former Nazi scientists (documented), who were (are) paid to do a

job to delibertly contaminate them so as to do population control (not my

words, but documented in the Congressional records, See just one place to

find it the letter from or in his book from Dr. Len Horiwitz and others) on

any area 'those in control' chose. That is the danger, in case you missed

it. Are you kids expendable, are mine? I think not. They will not take the

vaccines, our choice! Study the maps of the earlier targeted areas, see in

what populated areas the high insidence of HIV, AIDS and etc are, all

alledged to be 'man made diseases'. Do your own research and decide, donot

take someone else's word for it. Liz

At 09:15 PM 10/22/1999 EDT, you wrote:

>True, but some of the diseases it prevents also provides protection

against

>more deadly diseases and afflictions. As the body grows from child to

adult,

> the body's immune system becomes stronger as it fights off infections and

>childhood diseases. This is well-known. We also know there have been

>deaths due to the childhood diseases before immunization shots were

>discovered. There is no perfect answer and there will never be. But the

>rise in autism and similar afflictions is alarming and research /studies

need

>to be supported by the public.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for clarifying this. I guess my bottom line is that they

all come down to an assult on the immune disease. And treating the

immune system when it is compromised is one of the best attacks against

any disease. I don't know if it was a coincidence or on purpose all I

do know that in every generation we become weaker and if it is allowed

to continue, we could be in serious trouble. Knowing this, I don't

think the vaccine that they are creating for cancer will be made any

different, and the same people are in control. Where will this leave

us? I have read alot of the same info you have and I don't see it

getting any better, coincidence or on purpose. Dr. Horowitz has also

stated that an array of cancers have scientifically been linked to

vaccine contaminants or vaccine ingrediants. Is this a coincidence as

well?

Thanks again

Debbie

" vgammill " <ygammil-@...> wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=2999

> > Debbie,

> > An AUTO immune disease, is sort of the opposite of ACQUIRED immune

> deficiency

> > disease, as in AIDS.

> > Rosy

>

> This may seem so superficially, but Debbie is closer to correct.

Both

> are typically reactions to antigen exposure. Here the prefix " auto- "

> refers to self, not something that is automatic or idiopathic. These

are

> often triggered by such things as an induction of heterophile

immunity by a

> microbial cell wall. Examples might be adjuvant arthritis or

spondylitis.

> It is nonetheless inducible and therefore acquired.

> The vague condition known as AIDS is " acquired " from a synthetic

> retrovirus that requires a co-viral or chemical cofactor to

replicate. The

> stated purpose of its creation was the selective culling of what the

US

> government considers to be less desirable subpopulations (NSM-200).

Details

> on the contracts for its development can be found in the Progress

Reports of

> the Special Virus Cancer Program of the late 60's and early 70's.

> I have been searching through these reports as I find it hard to

> believe that the government would create such an insidious weapon

without

> developing some sort of defense in case it got out of hand. The

retroviral

> research during those years is equally applicable to most cancers.

Are the

> vaccines and antisera developed during those years effective against

cancer?

> There are no reports of tests. It seems that the only cancer

treatments

> that are ever approved are those that are marginal at best.

> I am not interested in arguing with anyone as to whether the US

> government actually dispersed these immune-attacking viruses they

made or it

> was all an incredible coincidence. I'm only interested in

disinterring

> suppressed preventions and treatments.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We are weaker in the diseases we get and the ability to fight them.

Most people I speak with today have something wrong with them. Their

quality of life is hampered by chronic illness. So we live longer but

we live sicker. And unhealthy parents can not help but pass this

weakness on. But then when I see children that are catching everything

going around, I can't help but wonder what is wrong with this picture.

My freinds that have children are always telling me there kids are sick

with one thing or another. We have always had sickness, but I don't

know that we have ever had such a population of people with chronic

illness to compare to as we do today.

rosydixo-@... wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=3015

> Each generation is not getting weaker. In earlier generations they

didn't

> live long enough to get some of the diseases so common now.

>

> Rosy

[Guest guest]

The bottom line is the power that made the body, (innate intelligence) can

heal the body and anyone who thinks they can interfere with that is fooling

themselves. Whether it be homeopathic medicine, or traditional

medicine,,,HEALTH DOES NOT COME OUT OF A BOTTLE. Please do not tell me that

cancer comes from lack of apricot seeds in the system, just as headaches do

not come from lack of advil in the system!

Let's educate ourselves on healthy lifestyles to prevent cancer, (nutrition,

diet, exercise, spinal alignments, stress reduction, possitive mental

attitudes) not " miracle cures " .

,,,Just my humble opinion. Also, just a side note on vaccines,,,does anyone

wonder about " SIDS " being linked to them?

[Guest guest]

Oh, Oh I dood it, I messed up and bought Immunocal.

And guess what/ I feel good about doing it. This cancer thang makes you do

crazy things.

Love and happiness

Lloyd SeawrightAt 12:22 PM 10/24/99 -0700, you wrote:

>You take Life Extension odviously and I take Immunocal. What makes this

>identical? Have they done the same clinical studies and application to

>come to this conclusion? Immuocal has over twenty years of research,

>how many does your less expensive and identical whey proteine have? I

>would like to see the studies using this paticular whey protein that

>proves it is identical to the claims and patents that Immunocal has.

>Bring on the evidence. And yes I did go to your web site and I did not

>see actual proof that this is identical. Maybe I am nissing something,

>and you can help me out. I don't want to see the creater of Immunocal,

>Dr. Bounous or his colleages to back your claims, odviously they are

>taking about Immunocal and not this whey protein you are saying is

>identical. Maybe you are right, but then again I have seen Immunocal's

>proof through studies pertaining to it being the whey protein they used

>to make their claims.

>

>I don't see Immunocal as a rip off or a waste of my money. I know that

>by taking it I am not taking a knock off, but twenty years of research

>and proof. So how about for those that are looking for something to

>help them lets not call Immunocal a rip off. After all Dr. Bounous and

>his research of this has made it possible for these other companies to

>make claims on their product. And to me when you knock his

>product(immunocal) you are knocking a great fine and a great doctor. I

>think he deserves a little more respect then this.

>

>Inorder for someone to make as good as or better claims they need to

>use the same studies to come to their conclussion. If they can show

>they have done the same studies, then maybe it is as good as or better

>then. Rule of thumb when faced with the choice of what is better for

>me. See the evidence to decide.

>Just my opinion

>Debbie

>

>

>

>tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

>original article:cures for cancer/?start=3071

>> Do not waste your money on Immunocal.

>>

>> this other stuff is identical to Immunocal

>> and it will save you a bundle $$$$.

>>

>> see

>>

>> http://www.lef.org/prod_desc/item558.html

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I was gonna say that myself. Thanks brother.

Lloyd SeawrightAt 09:36 PM 10/24/99 EDT, you wrote:

>The bottom line is the power that made the body, (innate intelligence) can

>heal the body and anyone who thinks they can interfere with that is fooling

>themselves. Whether it be homeopathic medicine, or traditional

>medicine,,,HEALTH DOES NOT COME OUT OF A BOTTLE. Please do not tell me that

>cancer comes from lack of apricot seeds in the system, just as headaches do

>not come from lack of advil in the system!

>Let's educate ourselves on healthy lifestyles to prevent cancer, (nutrition,

>diet, exercise, spinal alignments, stress reduction, possitive mental

>attitudes) not " miracle cures " .

>,,,Just my humble opinion. Also, just a side note on vaccines,,,does anyone

>wonder about " SIDS " being linked to them?

>

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[Guest guest]

The fact that your kids are healthy without immunizations (and I'm glad they

are) doesn't prove a damn thing. One of the reasons, is because they are

surrounded by other kids who HAVE been vaccinated, and are therefore not

transmitting diseases to which they would otherwise be subject to them.

It's only the fact that MOST of the school-age children are vaccinated, that

makes your choice feasible.

Rosy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 99-10-24 14:17:40 EDT, you write:

<< http://www.lef.org/prod_desc/item558.html

>>

What is the difference between Immunocol and the Life Extension Product.

Also what is the difference in price????

Thanks,

Carol B