Headaches

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Hey Mike!!

I am so sorry to hear that you are not feeling well with those headaches. I

can'g imagine how you must feel, my friend. If I can help you or do

anything for you....just give me haoor or a yodel, and I will be there.

Take it easy...and get some rest.

Love you dearly,

Kathy G

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If you're having issues with them, you may want to make a visit to your

neuro or your family doctor and get checked out. There could be something

else going on. Being as I am a chronic migraine person, I'll tell you I

don't mess with them. Even if it's a matter of just going and talking to

someone.

Another thought to consider is start keeping a log if you aren't doing it

already. Sounds silly but log your headaches and every hour and date of when

they happen. It might not make sense right away but eventually the little

things that are in your surroundings could actually make a difference as to

why you are getting them.

Grant it nothing is perfect and it does take time but in making note of the

time periods of when the migraines have happened has helped me figured out

issues of what at least is not causing them so that's a start. One good

thing that came out of it is my husband and I went out yesterday and I was

able to get some fresh air for a good four hours which was actually a nice

break. I need to do that more often but anyway.

-Sue

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Val Salva during exercise can cause headaches in some people. When this

happens we usually have the person start the workout with resisted neck

extension and flexion and move the exercise where the headache started to

the end of the workout (usually squat or leg press) and that seems to do the

trick.

Drew Baye

Orlando, FL

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Just a thought here - but it may not be the Vasalva - it could just be his

neck... Keep in mind I'm no MD but I do a lot of work with athletes here as a

CMT/RMT. I've also had some prizewinning headaches and it could be he's just

straining some muscles in just the right way to get this going.

I would say look at his style - and look at how difficult the lift was for him

on that day. Squatters may look up to get out of the hole properly, and a max

deadlift may also require a person to throw the head up " hard " to get the bar to

follow. Squat bars can impinge the traps sufficiently to get some of the major

points going toward the neck. If he feels it in his ears too, not a " blood

pressurey " feeling but sharpish, that's likely to be his traps pinched a bit and

more care in positioning the bar would be in order.

Traps also can cause the world's nastiest headache - and if he squatted or

pulled, they too could be at fault. Massage therapist could look around in the

traps and figure out if he's getting that one - or a related one due to a muscle

that lies to the side, just under your traps at the juncture of neck and

shoulders.

Icing after a workout in the traps/neck junction might also help here.

Lastly, check the sinuses for other causes. If the problem isn't every time, I'd

say we're looking for something that happens ONLY when he's got the headache.

Could even be his sinuses or ears are slightly plugged up and that'll bring you

a lovely pounding headache that seems to feel like " your head is blowing off "

without much preamble mid workout. Even a good shot of chalk in the air could

get this going if you have allergies..

Why do I suggest this? I've managed to get some really corking bad headaches

that came out of the blue, but I don't have any health risks that would make

Vasalva a bad idea. I also read Mel's discussions on the Vasalva maneuver and

I'm not convinced it's at fault of a good many things.

If the headache is intermittent and he doesn't have other unusual headaches,

such as a post-sex headache (blinding one) then it's possible it's just

muscular. Any time somebody is wondering about their health though - and

worrying about whether it's a safe idea for a particular athlete to Vasalva,

maybe he should go ahead, have the physical, and see if there's any reason to

worry.

Otherwise I'd look at what position his neck was in when he got the headache -

any bad form habits (e.g. pushing head against the pad in the leg press when

straining, hair whipping or other bad ideas doing hypers) and see if this

doesn't mitigate the effect.

The Phantom

aka Schaefer, RMT/CMT, competing powerlifter

Denver, Colorado, USA

Headaches

Wondered if anyone on this list might have some insights into this situation. It

involves a powerlifting training partner of mine, mid-40's, 275 class. We were

discussing Valsalva and he queried whether or not there was a downside-could it

lead to health issues? Then he brought up his experiences with headaches that

may (or may not) be linked to Valsalva.

For example, it happened recently while deadlifting-he was doing a max rep set

with 405 and it happened on rep 11 but he went on to pull up to 13 reps after

that-and easily. But then he experienced very sharp, throbbing headaches. The

pain died down a bit after a few minutes and then it was more of a dull headache

for several hours.

Then it happened again even more recently, last night, while squatting, just as

he was setting up for a set of 3 with 455-he completed the set anyway. He

mentioned some relief after an adjustment from his DC this morning. About a year

and a half ago it happened while he was deadlifting for a max single.

So these are infrequent episodes, but somewhat disabling and certainly

perplexing. There do not appear to be any long term effects/deficits, but he is

concerned.

Thank you!

Dr. Jim Klostergaard

Houston, TX

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Valsalva would cause the heart to slow down dramatically with subsequent drop in

blood pressure and light head feeling if not fainting. the danger with a

valsalva will depending on what the person is doing when it occurs espcially if

a person passes out.

Headaches are not generally associated with valsalva. The headaches might be

caused (this is just conjecture on my part) by the rise in blood pressure

associated with heavy lifting. Blood pressures with a systolic of 450 mm mercury

have been recorded with heavy lifiting (The studies have been posted on this

forum in the past).

I would suggest discussing this condition with a neurologist before doing

anymore heavy lifting. While it may be a benign condition, if a patient came

to me with these complaints I would want to investigate it further to rule out a

possible cerebral aneurysm. I have seen several middle aged individuals with

cerebral aneuryms and they usually present with severe headaches.

Ralph Giarnella MD

Southington Ct USA

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From: " Klostergaard,Jim " <jkloster@...>

" Supertraining " <Supertraining >

Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 1:04:29 PM

Subject: Headaches

Wondered if anyone on this list might have some insights into this situation. It

involves a powerlifting training partner of mine, mid-40's, 275 class. We were

discussing Valsalva and he queried whether or not there was a downside-could it

lead to health issues? Then he brought up his experiences with headaches that

may (or may not) be linked to Valsalva.

For example, it happened recently while deadlifting- he was doing a max rep set

with 405 and it happened on rep 11 but he went on to pull up to 13 reps after

that-and easily. But then he experienced very sharp, throbbing headaches. The

pain died down a bit after a few minutes and then it was more of a dull headache

for several hours.

Then it happened again even more recently, last night, while squatting, just as

he was setting up for a set of 3 with 455-he completed the set anyway. He

mentioned some relief after an adjustment from his DC this morning. About a year

and a half ago it happened while he was deadlifting for a max single.

So these are infrequent episodes, but somewhat disabling and certainly

perplexing. There do not appear to be any long term effects/deficits, but he is

concerned.

Thank you!

Dr. Jim Klostergaard

Houston, TX

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I have a client who went through something similar. 6'2'' 265. Works out very

hard. About three months ago we were working hamstrings on the seated leg curl

machine. The set was 165 pounds with a tempo of 4020 for eight reps. About three

reps into the set he suddenly stopped and grabbed his head. He is totally bald.

His head was bright red! After approximately 30 seconds the pain 85% subsided. 

We stopped the session and I sent him home and told him to visit his doctor. The

pain lingered for several days.

A few days later he visited a neurologist and had a Cat Scan and MRI. Both were

normal. The neurologist referred to the episode as a " benign exertion headache " .

No issues once it subsided. He has had no episodes since.

Mark Cotton, B.A.

New Jersey, USA

From: Drew Baye <drew@...>

Subject: Re: Headaches

Supertraining

Date: Tuesday, September 29, 2009, 2:07 PM

Val Salva during exercise can cause headaches in some people.

When this

happens we usually have the person start the workout with resisted neck

extension and flexion and move the exercise where the headache started to

the end of the workout (usually squat or leg press) and that seems to do the

trick.

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There was some discussion some years ago regarding this topic:

" Weight lifter's cephalgia. Weight lifters headache is generally

sudden in onset and occurs during active lifting (see references

below). In many cases, the weight training exercise being performed

at the time of headache onset was the bench press. The pain is

described as burning or boring in quality and localized to the

posterior head and neck. Though onset is abrupt, the headache may

persist for several days to weeks, gradually resolving. No clear

cause has been identified; the presumed mechanism is ligament or soft-

tissue injury.

[Nice word, " cephalgia " - " ceph " simply means " head " and " -algia " refers to

poain, so that all it means is " pain in the head " ! It doesn't sound half as

impressive when translated into normal English, does it? As the article

stresses, no single cause has been identified and may involve blood pressure

increase associated with strong eliciting of the Valsalva manoeuvre, spasm

in the muscles of the neck and shoulders, neural impingement or minor

traumatisation of ligament or muscle tissue. Mel Siff]

Initial management consists of avoidance of weight training, cervical

range-of-motion exercises and stretches, and pain medication. After a

patient's pain resolves, training technique should be reviewed to

eliminate incorrect technique. "

Taken from: Weight Training Injuries: Part 2: Diagnosing and Managing

Chronic Conditions

K. Reeves, MD; R. Laskowski, MD; Jay , MD

THE PHYSICIAN AND SPORTSMEDICINE - VOL 26 - NO. 3 - MARCH 98

B: Weight lifter's cephalgia. Ann Emerg Med 1982;11(8):449-451

son GW: Weightlifters headache. Headache 1983;23(4):193-194

Ibbotson SH: Weight-lifter's headache, letter. Brit J Sports Med

1987;21(3):138

[One important comment - as usual, there are far too many medical authorities

who do not seem to know what weightlifting is. They always seem to classify

most

gym injuries under the heading of " weightlifters " something or other - it would

be better to use weight trainers or bench pressers headache, but definitely NOT

" Weightlifters " headache. I suffer from immediate " Weightlifters Headache "

every time that I see this ignorance being proliferated. Maybe it is time that

we

started calling our orthopedist colleagues orthotists or orthodontists, or the

pediatrists/pediatric specialists by the name, podiatrists/podiatric

specialists,

or the psychiatrists by the name physiatrists. Close enough! Mel Siff]

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son:

I suffered from exactly what you are talking about several years ago. Almost

every time I would be bench pressing

I would get a sharp pain in the back of my head, so painful that I had to stop

immediately. After having an MRI

done and seeing two neurologists, I got nowhere and was told to simply " stop

lifting heavy weights and do pushups

against the wall instead. " Finally, after a lot of frustration, I found a doctor

who immediately diagnosed the

problem as an " exertional migraine " and prescriped Propranolol HCL. I took it

for one month and the problem

was gone and never came back.

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Ann Emerg Med. 1982 Aug;11(8):449-51. Links

Weight lifter's cephalgia. B.

Physical exertion can cause migraine or the benign exertional headache. The case

is presented of a 30-year-old male weight lifter who experienced excruciating

headache while doing leg presses on a weight machine. Physical examination was

normal, as were subsequent examinations. The patient resumed training with

lighter weights and did not again experience headaches. Some experts estimate

that up to 4% of the adult population engages in weight lifting occasionally,

and thus this malady may be more common than is realized.

====================

Curr Sports Med Rep. 2003 Oct;2(5):272-5.Links

Diagnosis and management of headache in the weight-lifting athlete.Rifat SF,

Moeller JL.

Weight lifters suffer from the same headache syndromes that affect all human

beings. They are also susceptible to headache types brought on by their

activity. Three headache syndromes, cervicogenic headache, benign exertional

headache, and effort-induced migraine headache, appear to be more common in the

weight-lifting athlete. This article discusses the diagnosis and treatment of

these headache syndromes.

====================

Carruthers

Wakefield, UK

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> Wondered if anyone on this list might have some insights into this situation.

It involves a powerlifting training partner of mine, mid-40's, 275 class. We

were discussing Valsalva and he queried whether or not there was a

downside-could it lead to health issues? Then he brought up his experiences with

headaches that may (or may not) be linked to Valsalva.

>

> For example, it happened recently while deadlifting-he was doing a max rep set

with 405 and it happened on rep 11 but he went on to pull up to 13 reps after

that-and easily. But then he experienced very sharp, throbbing headaches. The

pain died down a bit after a few minutes and then it was more of a dull headache

for several hours.

>

> Then it happened again even more recently, last night, while squatting, just

as he was setting up for a set of 3 with 455-he completed the set anyway. He

mentioned some relief after an adjustment from his DC this morning. About a year

and a half ago it happened while he was deadlifting for a max single.

>

> So these are infrequent episodes, but somewhat disabling and certainly

perplexing. There do not appear to be any long term effects/deficits, but he is

concerned.

>

> Thank you!

>

> Dr. Jim Klostergaard

> Houston, TX

>

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HiI am going to start taking some MMS and being a suffer of headaches i know i will probably start experiencing these whilst the toxins are leaving my system, can anyone recommend something natural to use for headaches. x We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now

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hi michellei get headaches when i detox too, and did with mms, what worked for me were:1. drink loads of water2. take activated charcoal (cheap one from holland and barratt) one hour after MMS3. put peppermint oil on forehead, temples, not to close to eyes or will burn, you can also buy forehead stick in boots, about £6, which offers relief4. rest in the afternoon or whenever headache at its worst, easier said that done i know with kids and therapy programme running, but try your best!5. try not to 'fight' it, but take it as a good opportunity for your body to rid toxins, look at it as an exciting move forward to healingkarenzaxxxxxx>> > Hi> > I am going to start taking some MMS and being a suffer of headaches i know i will probably start experiencing these whilst the toxins are leaving my system, can anyone recommend something natural to use for headaches.> > x > > > __________________________________________________________> Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/>

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Deb, an often overlooked " allergen " source, and the reason many people wake up

feeling crappy is your pillow or detergent laden pillow case! Figure you have

your nose and mouth smooshed down in something loaded with chemicals, and it's a

small wonder any of us wake up at all, lol. These things often don't become a

problem for some UNTIL their body starts to detox from other things, making them

more sensitive. I suggest giving your pillow a good beating, steaming,

vacuuming and airing out in the sunshine, and wash your pillowcases in plain HOT

water with a splash of peroxide and baking soda. I am washing my pillowcases as

we speak. It is a GLORIOUS spring like day here today, and all this talk of

steaming floors and what not has me motivated (for a change, lol)

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> Since my health journey began mid-Jan., well - more recently - since the past

week -

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> I've been waking up at 4:30 a.m. with a headache. I get up and drink a lot of

water and go back to bed. I then sleep until about 8:30. This is a totally

different pattern for me.

>

> I used to get up at 5:30 a.m. and drink coffee. That was always first. Now, I

am off of caffeine. I am also off of my anti-depressant. Both of those, for a

while now. So it isn't withdrawel.

>

> When I wake up later in the morning, my headache is mostly gone. I am looking

better - I think I wrote about that yesterday. My skin, my hair. I've lost some

weight. Do you suppose the headaches are detoxing? Wow, I am really getting

tired of them. The extra sleep has been really nice though. I feel more rested

than I had been.

>

> I need to take my son to the Salvation Army for his birthday (his favorite

store - thrift store kid - he turned 20 yesterday). Hey, maybe I'll look for a

donated Vitamix : )

>

> Deb

>

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The extra sleep is very good for you. One of the most important recommendations for people with adrenal exhaustion is to get 8-9 hours of sleep, but very hard to accomplish!It is so ironic that you brought this up because the email I just sent to the list was already in my drafts folder (before you sent this!) ready to be finished and sent! What a coincidence!In addition to the supplement that I mentioned in that email, I've been eating light snacks with both protein and carbs right before bed lately (something I NEVER used to do).

Blessings,Lea Ann SavageSatellite Beach, FL(321) 773-7088 (home)(321-961-9219 (cell)))><'>www.VitamixLady.comwww..com<))><

On Feb 16, 2011, at 10:52 AM, Mom2_five wrote:

Since my health journey began mid-Jan., well - more recently - since the past week -

I've been waking up at 4:30 a.m. with a headache. I get up and drink a lot of water and go back to bed. I then sleep until about 8:30. This is a totally different pattern for me.

I used to get up at 5:30 a.m. and drink coffee. That was always first. Now, I am off of caffeine. I am also off of my anti-depressant. Both of those, for a while now. So it isn't withdrawel.

When I wake up later in the morning, my headache is mostly gone. I am looking better - I think I wrote about that yesterday. My skin, my hair. I've lost some weight. Do you suppose the headaches are detoxing? Wow, I am really getting tired of them. The extra sleep has been really nice though. I feel more rested than I had been.

I need to take my son to the Salvation Army for his birthday (his favorite store - thrift store kid - he turned 20 yesterday). Hey, maybe I'll look for a donated Vitamix : )

Deb

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Hi,

i am currently take 120 tab erfa around 6.30am and 120 tab around 5pm and i am

waiting for my latest blood results but feel a bit weird, i am getting pressure

type headaches nearly every day as the side of my head and its worse when i bend

down and have found my bowel habits are loose and very gassy. I keep having

bouts of these and find when i feel a bit poorly i have the same symptoms all

the time, also my teeth are decaying and gums are receeding i am 36 and my

dentist says i need to brush more often but i do and havent changed anything so

why are they changing all of a sudden, is it low vits or minerals. Has any one

had this.

Ali

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You know, all this time I've been saying that my headaches have disappeared

" since the adrenalectomy " when maybe the truth is more that they have

disappeared since I no longer need to take giant doses of KCl.

Mine mimicked migraines - always on the left side, but with the pounding that

you both have described. My vision in my left eye would be affected. I knew they

weren't migraines because Imitrex wouldn't touch them.

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> > > Hello, I'm new to this group. I live in Australia and my GP felt I was a

candidate for Conn's syndrome after an x-ray revealed and adenoma on my left

adrenal gland. I went to see an endocrinologist at the hospital and had all the

necessary blood and urine tests. I don't have the figures yet, but everything is

normal, potassium, renin, aldosterone, hormones etc. and I have been sent away

with no answers. I have many of the Conn's syndrome symptoms and have had for

most of my life. Now that I am older (58) they seem to be here to stay. I did

not have high blood pressure until recently (165/85) am diabetic and have

hypothyroidism. Do you have any suggestions as what to try next? The fatigue is

difficult, especially as I am my husband's carer due to his illnesses. Look

forward to your reply.

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One of the rewards of finding PA in a pt with headaches is that they almost always go away when PA is treated. May your pressure be low!CE Grim MS, MDSpecializing in DifficultHypertensionOn Jun 9, 2012, at 23:40, msmith_1928 <janeray1940@...> wrote:

You know, all this time I've been saying that my headaches have disappeared "since the adrenalectomy" when maybe the truth is more that they have disappeared since I no longer need to take giant doses of KCl.

Mine mimicked migraines - always on the left side, but with the pounding that you both have described. My vision in my left eye would be affected. I knew they weren't migraines because Imitrex wouldn't touch them.

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> > > Hello, I'm new to this group. I live in Australia and my GP felt I was a candidate for Conn's syndrome after an x-ray revealed and adenoma on my left adrenal gland. I went to see an endocrinologist at the hospital and had all the necessary blood and urine tests. I don't have the figures yet, but everything is normal, potassium, renin, aldosterone, hormones etc. and I have been sent away with no answers. I have many of the Conn's syndrome symptoms and have had for most of my life. Now that I am older (58) they seem to be here to stay. I did not have high blood pressure until recently (165/85) am diabetic and have hypothyroidism. Do you have any suggestions as what to try next? The fatigue is difficult, especially as I am my husband's carer due to his illnesses. Look forward to your reply.

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