Itching

[Guest guest]

Hi, Theresa,

>I had not heard of anyone else with the itching palms. I thought it was

>just something else weird about ME. I'll catch myself unconsciously

>scratching my palm by rubbing it against a table corner or something. My

>foot symptoms come and go, but are worse in warm weather. I attributed the

>itchy nose to my many allergies.

I get itching everywhere from allergies. Primarily the back of hands, but

also feet, ankles, back, face. First time was when getting desentization

shots for allergies, pre-CFS. Ever since then it flares up with bad allergy

symptoms, and responds to antihistamines as well as other symptoms.

Jerry

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[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

Never a dull moment with me. I have been on augmentin for 17 days for a

sinus infection and about a week ago I started itching on the arms and legs,

however no rash, no bumps etc. and I dont know what it's from. Really wierd,

it's my forearms and only the lower part of my legs, from knee to ankles..

more calves and ankles than arms but not an unbearable itch, just lousy,

both legs, both arms...I thought it was my soap so I changed it, thought it

was the new sheets from last friday's housecleaning, and changed them, but

it's still there, one day better, one day worse. I'm stopping the

antibiotics today, the sinus is still problematic and I want to see if it

could be a reaction to the augmentin (heard of reactions even two weeks

after starting antibiotics and it started when I was 9 days into the stuff)

but maybe someone knows what else it could be? I dont have any other

symptoms of anything, other than the usual CFS, also no symptoms of

diabetes, which can cause itching. however I am in the middle of a period of

neurological symptoms, probably CFS caused, all the neurological tests so

far have been fine. Anyone know if it could be connected? Or is the best bet

to stop the augmentin and see if it is caused by that?

Judy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/15/01 7:08:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Foxhillers

writes:

<< ubj: Re: itching

Date: 6/15/01 7:08:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time

From: <A HREF= " mailto:Foxhillers " >Foxhillers</A>

<A HREF= " mailto: .

baumelj@... " > .

baumelj@...</A>

In a message dated 6/15/01 6:45:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

<<

Message: 11

Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:54:36 +0200

From: " judy " <baumelj@...>

Subject: Re: itching

Hi everyone,

Never a dull moment with me. I have been on augmentin for 17 days for a

sinus infection and about a week ago I started itching on the arms and legs,

however no rash, no bumps etc. and I dont know what it's from. Really wierd,

it's my forearms and only the lower part of my legs, from knee to ankles..

more calves and ankles than arms but not an unbearable itch, just lousy,

both legs, both arms...I thought it was my soap so I changed it, thought it

was the new sheets from last friday's housecleaning, and changed them, but

it's still there, one day better, one day worse. I'm stopping the

antibiotics today, the sinus is still problematic and I want to see if it

could be a reaction to the augmentin (heard of reactions even two weeks

after starting antibiotics and it started when I was 9 days into the stuff)

but maybe someone knows what else it could be? I dont have any other

symptoms of anything, other than the usual CFS, also no symptoms of

diabetes, which can cause itching. however I am in the middle of a period of

neurological symptoms, probably CFS caused, all the neurological tests so

far have been fine. Anyone know if it could be connected? Or is the best bet

to stop the augmentin and see if it is caused by that?

Judy

>>

Judy

My friend, , says that when she gets itchy it means her gut needs

some attention. And, she's right. When I get itchy, I work on my gi system

to get it in good shape. When that happens, the itching stops.

>>

[Guest guest]

Judy, depending on the antibiotic, I get itchy all

over. The doctors discovered that I am allergic to

sulfa-based meds.

--- foxhillers@... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/15/01 7:08:42 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time, Foxhillers

> writes:

>

> << ubj: Re: itching

> Date: 6/15/01 7:08:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time

> From: <A HREF= " mailto:Foxhillers " >Foxhillers</A>

>

> <A

> HREF= " mailto: .

>

baumelj@... " > .

>

> baumelj@...</A>

>

> In a message dated 6/15/01 6:45:49 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> writes:

>

> <<

> Message: 11

> Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:54:36 +0200

> From: " judy " <baumelj@...>

> Subject: Re: itching

>

> Hi everyone,

> Never a dull moment with me. I have been on

> augmentin for 17 days for a

> sinus infection and about a week ago I started

> itching on the arms and legs,

> however no rash, no bumps etc. and I dont know

> what it's from. Really wierd,

> it's my forearms and only the lower part of my

> legs, from knee to ankles..

> more calves and ankles than arms but not an

> unbearable itch, just lousy,

> both legs, both arms...I thought it was my soap so

> I changed it, thought it

> was the new sheets from last friday's

> housecleaning, and changed them, but

> it's still there, one day better, one day worse.

> I'm stopping the

> antibiotics today, the sinus is still problematic

> and I want to see if it

> could be a reaction to the augmentin (heard of

> reactions even two weeks

> after starting antibiotics and it started when I

> was 9 days into the stuff)

> but maybe someone knows what else it could be? I

> dont have any other

> symptoms of anything, other than the usual CFS,

> also no symptoms of

> diabetes, which can cause itching. however I am in

> the middle of a period of

> neurological symptoms, probably CFS caused, all

> the neurological tests so

> far have been fine. Anyone know if it could be

> connected? Or is the best bet

> to stop the augmentin and see if it is caused by

> that?

> Judy

> >>

> Judy

> My friend, , says that when she gets

> itchy it means her gut needs

> some attention. And, she's right. When I get

> itchy, I work on my gi system

> to get it in good shape. When that happens, the

> itching stops.

> >>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

hi Judy -

> Anyone know of this one? I have had itching for about five weeks, mostly

on my forearms and down from my knees, it's not terrible, there is no change

or sign in my skin,

if its not a contact dermatitis, could it be shingles?

Judith

[Guest guest]

Hi! Judy

I highly recommend tea tree oil. It is available in most stores. It is also an

anti-bacterial, but it's ability to stop itching is instantaneous and permanent.

My local grocery store sells it as a lotion, although it still looks like oil,

and it works just as good as the pure oil.

Merle

judy wrote:

> Anyone know of this one? I have had itching for about five weeks, mostly on my

forearms and down from my knees, it's not terrible, there is no change or sign

in my skin, and it's like little prickles, very annoying. I was tested twice

with blood and urine tests, everything fine, no liver problems, no kidney

problems, sugar levels fine, no diabetes, etc. Is it a CFS manifestation of

something in the nervous system? I tried eliminating things, a celiac diet, a no

sugar diet, stopped supplements, there are days it is better and days that it is

worse, today and yesterday after going back to sugar and white flour for a few

days, it is terrible and has spread to lots of other places, back, upper arms,

under the jaw...really strange.

> Anyhow after my GP didnt find anything (I was tested for all the hepatitises a

while ago before this started and that was negative too...)she said that it may

be something allergic even though I dont have any signs on the skin and that I

should go to a dermatologist, I am going to one tomorrow. Any suggestions?

> Judy B.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, this is just weird. Since I've been on abx/Lovenox and

supplements, I've had some powerful itching, especially at bedtime.

As soon as I get one spot scratched, another one fires, etc., and

it's incessant. I've never experienced anything like this in my

life. This isn't every night and now I keep a lotion by the bed to

try to ease it a little. I have no idea why this is happening.

Laurie L.

[Guest guest]

Judy,

I don't know if it's the same thing, but I have itched for years now, even

before I crashed in '96, if I recall, although not to the degree of the past

five years. Sometimes I kind of itch all over, sometimes it's fairly

localized. Seems to be worse at night - I will awaken sometimes and

literally have claw marks on my skin ( no more nails) from where I scratched

myself in my sleep. How one sleeps through such a scratch session as to

leave claw marks I don't know, since sleep is such an elusive thing anyway,

but...anyway, I do have allergies, but take shots, etc for them, so I don't

think it's allergies as much as toxins or junk trying to leave the skin,

although. like you, there is nothing visible except my scratch marks.

I have been doing the castor oil packs, and every so often now I notice a

rash that kind of looks like prickly heat in the area where I have had the

pack. That rash never itches though. Just looks weird - kind of like - what

crud is exiting now?

Donna in NC

itching

> Anyone know of this one? I have had itching for about five weeks, mostly

on my forearms and down from my knees, it's not terrible, there is no change

or sign in my skin, and it's like little prickles, very annoying. I was

tested twice with blood and urine tests, everything fine, no liver problems,

no kidney problems, sugar levels fine, no diabetes, etc. Is it a CFS

manifestation of something in the nervous system? I tried eliminating

things, a celiac diet, a no sugar diet, stopped supplements, there are days

it is better and days that it is worse, today and yesterday after going back

to sugar and white flour for a few days, it is terrible and has spread to

lots of other places, back, upper arms, under the jaw...really strange.

> Anyhow after my GP didnt find anything (I was tested for all the

hepatitises a while ago before this started and that was negative too...)she

said that it may be something allergic even though I dont have any signs on

the skin and that I should go to a dermatologist, I am going to one

tomorrow. Any suggestions?

> Judy B.

[Guest guest]

It's probably the histamine part of herx'ing. Do you take benadryl with

it?

Mine has gotten better, but for months when I took the doxy/heparin, my

eyes would water and my nose would start running like crazy, and I would

cough. I had to take benadryl.

Cindi

laurie@...

07/12/01 09:57 PM

Please respond to

cc:

Subject: Re: Itching

Well, this is just weird. Since I've been on abx/Lovenox and

supplements, I've had some powerful itching, especially at bedtime.

As soon as I get one spot scratched, another one fires, etc., and

it's incessant. I've never experienced anything like this in my

life. This isn't every night and now I keep a lotion by the bed to

try to ease it a little. I have no idea why this is happening.

Laurie L.

[Guest guest]

Interesting Donna, last night when I was nearly in tears, my husband

suggested that it might be a sign of my getting better with the toxins

leaving my body through the skin....anyhow I went to the dermatologist this

morning, he said that if the blood tests were ok (which they were), the

sugar and urine tests ok( which they were) and I have absolutely nothing on

the skin, it is probably nerves. As I have been so nervous with this disease

lately, anything is possible. Anyhow he gave me a cortisone ointment for two

weeks and 20 days of antihistamine once a day at night (bedtime) and we will

see if it will be better.

And now again a question - what would I do without all your knowledge

everyone (many thanks!!!) - does anyone think that baths might help? Sulphur

(we have lots of sulphur springs around), epsom salts? any other

suggestions?

Thanks again,

Judy B.

itching

>

>

> > Anyone know of this one? I have had itching for about five weeks, mostly

> on my forearms and down from my knees, it's not terrible, there is no

change

> or sign in my skin, and it's like little prickles, very annoying. I was

> tested twice with blood and urine tests, everything fine, no liver

problems,

> no kidney problems, sugar levels fine, no diabetes, etc. Is it a CFS

> manifestation of something in the nervous system? I tried eliminating

> things, a celiac diet, a no sugar diet, stopped supplements, there are

days

> it is better and days that it is worse, today and yesterday after going

back

> to sugar and white flour for a few days, it is terrible and has spread to

> lots of other places, back, upper arms, under the jaw...really strange.

> > Anyhow after my GP didnt find anything (I was tested for all the

> hepatitises a while ago before this started and that was negative

too...)she

> said that it may be something allergic even though I dont have any signs

on

> the skin and that I should go to a dermatologist, I am going to one

> tomorrow. Any suggestions?

> > Judy B.

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks Merle, I will try to get tea tree oil.

Judy B.

Re: itching

> Hi! Judy

>

> I highly recommend tea tree oil. It is available in most stores. It is

also an anti-bacterial, but it's ability to stop itching is instantaneous

and permanent. My local grocery store sells it as a lotion, although it

still looks like oil, and it works just as good as the pure oil.

>

> Merle

>

>

>

> judy wrote:

>

> > Anyone know of this one? I have had itching for about five weeks, mostly

on my forearms and down from my knees, it's not terrible, there is no change

or sign in my skin, and it's like little prickles, very annoying. I was

tested twice with blood and urine tests, everything fine, no liver problems,

no kidney problems, sugar levels fine, no diabetes, etc. Is it a CFS

manifestation of something in the nervous system? I tried eliminating

things, a celiac diet, a no sugar diet, stopped supplements, there are days

it is better and days that it is worse, today and yesterday after going back

to sugar and white flour for a few days, it is terrible and has spread to

lots of other places, back, upper arms, under the jaw...really strange.

> > Anyhow after my GP didnt find anything (I was tested for all the

hepatitises a while ago before this started and that was negative too...)she

said that it may be something allergic even though I dont have any signs on

the skin and that I should go to a dermatologist, I am going to one

tomorrow. Any suggestions?

> > Judy B.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Judy, I zeroed in on the prickling like pins in your first post which is nothing

like a regular itching from toxins or any type of dermatitis. I did that for

years, and no bath or lotion helps that if that is the type of itching you are

having. The best way I know to describe this type of sensation is when your arm

or leg has gone to sleep and as it wakes up you get that prickling sensation. I

actually had some itching between my shoulders that is almost certainly the

shingles virus but re I do not break out. Isoprinosine has helped that. The

pins prickling in the legs was not helped by that or anything but the things

that helped my global symptoms....B12 injections, Sinequan, Klonopin and I

believe if you tolerated some low dose Neurontin that '*might* help this most of

all. If you tried it and it did not help, then there is possibly a blood flow

problem to the nerves like in diabetic neuropathy and possible virus/es

attacking the nevers and possible CNS sensory problems according to what Dr.

Cheney has told me regarding pin prickling 'nerve' itching. Rita

itching

>

>

> > Anyone know of this one? I have had itching for about five weeks, mostly

> on my forearms and down from my knees, it's not terrible, there is no

change

> or sign in my skin, and it's like little prickles, very annoying. I was

> tested twice with blood and urine tests, everything fine, no liver

problems,

> no kidney problems, sugar levels fine, no diabetes, etc. Is it a CFS

> manifestation of something in the nervous system? I tried eliminating

> things, a celiac diet, a no sugar diet, stopped supplements, there are

days

> it is better and days that it is worse, today and yesterday after going

back

> to sugar and white flour for a few days, it is terrible and has spread to

> lots of other places, back, upper arms, under the jaw...really strange.

> > Anyhow after my GP didnt find anything (I was tested for all the

> hepatitises a while ago before this started and that was negative

too...)she

> said that it may be something allergic even though I dont have any signs

on

> the skin and that I should go to a dermatologist, I am going to one

> tomorrow. Any suggestions?

> > Judy B.

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have had hives with intense itching the whole time I have had CFS for five

years. It is helped at times by different things including antihistamine

combos when I have to, or in the beginning antifungals. Itching is known

to be worse at night, don't know why. Oatmeal baths sometimes help. When I

read about how things are eased with FM in hot water altho it may not be the

best to do, I wonder about itching and related cell activity.

> Well, this is just weird. Since I've been on abx/Lovenox and

> supplements, I've had some powerful itching, especially at bedtime.

> As soon as I get one spot scratched, another one fires, etc., and

> it's incessant. I've never experienced anything like this in my

> life. This isn't every night and now I keep a lotion by the bed to

> try to ease it a little. I have no idea why this is happening.

> Laurie L.

[Guest guest]

dear Rita,

No Ive had the pins and needles business and then I was tested for MS,

negative luckily, this is itching, kind of local but itching.

Judy

itching

> >

> >

> > > Anyone know of this one? I have had itching for about five weeks,

mostly

> > on my forearms and down from my knees, it's not terrible, there is no

> change

> > or sign in my skin, and it's like little prickles, very annoying. I

was

> > tested twice with blood and urine tests, everything fine, no liver

> problems,

> > no kidney problems, sugar levels fine, no diabetes, etc. Is it a CFS

> > manifestation of something in the nervous system? I tried eliminating

> > things, a celiac diet, a no sugar diet, stopped supplements, there are

> days

> > it is better and days that it is worse, today and yesterday after

going

> back

> > to sugar and white flour for a few days, it is terrible and has spread

to

> > lots of other places, back, upper arms, under the jaw...really

strange.

> > > Anyhow after my GP didnt find anything (I was tested for all the

> > hepatitises a while ago before this started and that was negative

> too...)she

> > said that it may be something allergic even though I dont have any

signs

> on

> > the skin and that I should go to a dermatologist, I am going to one

> > tomorrow. Any suggestions?

> > > Judy B.

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Judy, baths help me. Epsom salts or Oatmeal. Sulfur is a big detoxifier so

I don't know if that would help or not. Ppl use sulfur baths to detox from

mercury and to date they make me pretty sick. Just a word of warning. The

best antihistamine combo I have found is zrytec and zantac (10 mg of zrytec

and 300 mg of zantac). Together they hit alot of the histamine receptors.

It's not a cure but will sometimes give relief. The other thing you could

try is no sugar, starches etc and an antifungal. That has helped me in the

past. And, yes, nerves. When I get upset I itch way more. Also it is a

know thing that itching is worse at night. I don't know why - something at

play here... cortisol levels? Thyrod levels? Subconscious coming through

more? Don't know. Hope you find relief.

> Interesting Donna, last night when I was nearly in tears, my husband

> suggested that it might be a sign of my getting better with the toxins

> leaving my body through the skin....anyhow I went to the dermatologist

this

> morning, he said that if the blood tests were ok (which they were), the

> sugar and urine tests ok( which they were) and I have absolutely nothing

on

> the skin, it is probably nerves. As I have been so nervous with this

disease

> lately, anything is possible. Anyhow he gave me a cortisone ointment for

two

> weeks and 20 days of antihistamine once a day at night (bedtime) and we

will

> see if it will be better.

> And now again a question - what would I do without all your knowledge

> everyone (many thanks!!!) - does anyone think that baths might help?

Sulphur

> (we have lots of sulphur springs around), epsom salts? any other

> suggestions?

> Thanks again,

> Judy B.

[Guest guest]

Judy, thanks for the clarification, then I have no idea what it is but wish you

the best getting help with it. Rita

itching

> >

> >

> > > Anyone know of this one? I have had itching for about five weeks,

mostly

> > on my forearms and down from my knees, it's not terrible, there is no

> change

> > or sign in my skin, and it's like little prickles, very annoying. I

was

> > tested twice with blood and urine tests, everything fine, no liver

> problems,

> > no kidney problems, sugar levels fine, no diabetes, etc. Is it a CFS

> > manifestation of something in the nervous system? I tried eliminating

> > things, a celiac diet, a no sugar diet, stopped supplements, there are

> days

> > it is better and days that it is worse, today and yesterday after

going

> back

> > to sugar and white flour for a few days, it is terrible and has spread

to

> > lots of other places, back, upper arms, under the jaw...really

strange.

> > > Anyhow after my GP didnt find anything (I was tested for all the

> > hepatitises a while ago before this started and that was negative

> too...)she

> > said that it may be something allergic even though I dont have any

signs

> on

> > the skin and that I should go to a dermatologist, I am going to one

> > tomorrow. Any suggestions?

> > > Judy B.

> >

> >

> >

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Now its in the fingers, I look at my hands and nothing, no redness, no signs

of anything...who knows. If it doesn't go away in a few weeks with the

antihistamine and ointment I will ask for thyroid tests, did them a year and

a half ago and they were fine but I'm 42 and things change.

take care,

J.

Re: itching

> Judy, baths help me. Epsom salts or Oatmeal. Sulfur is a big detoxifier

so

> I don't know if that would help or not. Ppl use sulfur baths to detox

from

> mercury and to date they make me pretty sick. Just a word of warning. The

> best antihistamine combo I have found is zrytec and zantac (10 mg of

zrytec

> and 300 mg of zantac). Together they hit alot of the histamine receptors.

> It's not a cure but will sometimes give relief. The other thing you

could

> try is no sugar, starches etc and an antifungal. That has helped me in

the

> past. And, yes, nerves. When I get upset I itch way more. Also it is a

> know thing that itching is worse at night. I don't know why - something

at

> play here... cortisol levels? Thyrod levels? Subconscious coming through

> more? Don't know. Hope you find relief.

>

> > Interesting Donna, last night when I was nearly in tears, my husband

> > suggested that it might be a sign of my getting better with the toxins

> > leaving my body through the skin....anyhow I went to the dermatologist

> this

> > morning, he said that if the blood tests were ok (which they were), the

> > sugar and urine tests ok( which they were) and I have absolutely nothing

> on

> > the skin, it is probably nerves. As I have been so nervous with this

> disease

> > lately, anything is possible. Anyhow he gave me a cortisone ointment for

> two

> > weeks and 20 days of antihistamine once a day at night (bedtime) and we

> will

> > see if it will be better.

> > And now again a question - what would I do without all your knowledge

> > everyone (many thanks!!!) - does anyone think that baths might help?

> Sulphur

> > (we have lots of sulphur springs around), epsom salts? any other

> > suggestions?

> > Thanks again,

> > Judy B.

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can also try bathing with baking soda; that might be more likely than

epsom salts to soothe/counter itching. BTW, I think I notice that on the

list of side-effects of hydroxo (injectable) that itching is a

possibility. I too have been experiencing more itching and wondered if

it's the hydroxo. Mine is annoying only and not constant. The cortisone

salve should help. Oatmeal baths are also soothing, but I think baking

soda baths might work best.

Judith W

On Fri, 13 Jul 2001 10:55:19 +0200 " judy " <baumelj@...>

writes:

Interesting Donna, last night when I was nearly in tears, my husband

suggested that it might be a sign of my getting better with the toxins

leaving my body through the skin....anyhow I went to the dermatologist

this

morning, he said that if the blood tests were ok (which they were), the

sugar and urine tests ok( which they were) and I have absolutely nothing

on

the skin, it is probably nerves. As I have been so nervous with this

disease

lately, anything is possible. Anyhow he gave me a cortisone ointment for

two

weeks and 20 days of antihistamine once a day at night (bedtime) and we

will

see if it will be better.

And now again a question - what would I do without all your knowledge

everyone (many thanks!!!) - does anyone think that baths might help?

Sulphur

(we have lots of sulphur springs around), epsom salts? any other

suggestions?

Thanks again,

Judy B.

itching

>

>

> > Anyone know of this one? I have had itching for about five weeks,

mostly

> on my forearms and down from my knees, it's not terrible, there is no

change

> or sign in my skin, and it's like little prickles, very annoying. I was

> tested twice with blood and urine tests, everything fine, no liver

problems,

> no kidney problems, sugar levels fine, no diabetes, etc. Is it a CFS

> manifestation of something in the nervous system? I tried eliminating

> things, a celiac diet, a no sugar diet, stopped supplements, there are

days

> it is better and days that it is worse, today and yesterday after going

back

> to sugar and white flour for a few days, it is terrible and has spread

to

> lots of other places, back, upper arms, under the jaw...really strange.

> > Anyhow after my GP didnt find anything (I was tested for all the

> hepatitises a while ago before this started and that was negative

too...)she

> said that it may be something allergic even though I dont have any

signs

on

> the skin and that I should go to a dermatologist, I am going to one

> tomorrow. Any suggestions?

> > Judy B.

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Judy again,

At 18:55 13/07/01, you wrote:

>Interesting Donna, last night when I was nearly in tears, my husband

>suggested that it might be a sign of my getting better with the toxins

>leaving my body through the skin....anyhow I went to the dermatologist this

>morning, he said that if the blood tests were ok (which they were), the

>sugar and urine tests ok( which they were) and I have absolutely nothing on

>the skin, it is probably nerves.

Possible, but probably crap. I have awful itching of a dry, uncomfortable,

skin-wrinkling kind that I find impossible to describe. It was supposed to

be stress/ 'nerves' related until I went to do my time in an allergy ward

where they isolate you from everything and gradually re-introduce things to

see what you are sensitive too.

In my case, I get very very bad itching from a) newspapers, something in

most modern woven cloths except plain silk and calico - most likely a

texture treatment.

If I can stay away from these (which is difficult) I have no itching. If I

am exposed to either, life becomes hell for a day or so.

This is the sort of thing that dermatoligists are most useless about, and

most dogmatic about to boot. It is one of the weirdnesses of the medical

profession that they become more dogmatic when they know least.

>As I have been so nervous with this disease

>lately, anything is possible. Anyhow he gave me a cortisone ointment for two

>weeks and 20 days of antihistamine once a day at night (bedtime) and we will

>see if it will be better.

If it is an allergy the cortisone and the antihistamine will make them feel

better I guess, but to me this means find the cause(s) rather than taking

possibly problematical drugs. Personally although I am absolutely certain

that my itches are a response to newspaper print and textile treatments,

the itch does not respond much to antihistamines, so it may not be an

allergy but some kind of other sensitivity.

>And now again a question - what would I do without all your knowledge

>everyone (many thanks!!!) - does anyone think that baths might help? Sulphur

>(we have lots of sulphur springs around), epsom salts? any other

>suggestions?

HOT baths are my only cure - I have found previously that hot baths are in

some way anti-allergy, so this tends to support the theory that it is an

allergy. But they have to be hot, like 40 deg c in my case, or more, for

20 minutes, or more. Or a sauna. I have tried additives but found no

difference, it is the hotness that does the trick for me.

Hope this helps,

n

[Guest guest]

Dear n,

Everything you say makes a lot of sense. For the few years before coming

down with CFS I had all sorts of allergic rhinitis reactions, to newsprint,

to my sofa, we didnt know to what, got rid of everything and then I got

CFS..

J.

Re: itching

> Judy again,

>

> At 18:55 13/07/01, you wrote:

> >Interesting Donna, last night when I was nearly in tears, my husband

> >suggested that it might be a sign of my getting better with the toxins

> >leaving my body through the skin....anyhow I went to the dermatologist

this

> >morning, he said that if the blood tests were ok (which they were), the

> >sugar and urine tests ok( which they were) and I have absolutely nothing

on

> >the skin, it is probably nerves.

>

> Possible, but probably crap. I have awful itching of a dry,

uncomfortable,

> skin-wrinkling kind that I find impossible to describe. It was supposed

to

> be stress/ 'nerves' related until I went to do my time in an allergy ward

> where they isolate you from everything and gradually re-introduce things

to

> see what you are sensitive too.

>

> In my case, I get very very bad itching from a) newspapers, something

in

> most modern woven cloths except plain silk and calico - most likely a

> texture treatment.

>

> If I can stay away from these (which is difficult) I have no itching. If I

> am exposed to either, life becomes hell for a day or so.

>

> This is the sort of thing that dermatoligists are most useless about, and

> most dogmatic about to boot. It is one of the weirdnesses of the medical

> profession that they become more dogmatic when they know least.

>

> >As I have been so nervous with this disease

> >lately, anything is possible. Anyhow he gave me a cortisone ointment for

two

> >weeks and 20 days of antihistamine once a day at night (bedtime) and we

will

> >see if it will be better.

>

> If it is an allergy the cortisone and the antihistamine will make them

feel

> better I guess, but to me this means find the cause(s) rather than taking

> possibly problematical drugs. Personally although I am absolutely certain

> that my itches are a response to newspaper print and textile treatments,

> the itch does not respond much to antihistamines, so it may not be an

> allergy but some kind of other sensitivity.

>

> >And now again a question - what would I do without all your knowledge

> >everyone (many thanks!!!) - does anyone think that baths might help?

Sulphur

> >(we have lots of sulphur springs around), epsom salts? any other

> >suggestions?

>

> HOT baths are my only cure - I have found previously that hot baths are in

> some way anti-allergy, so this tends to support the theory that it is an

> allergy. But they have to be hot, like 40 deg c in my case, or more, for

> 20 minutes, or more. Or a sauna. I have tried additives but found no

> difference, it is the hotness that does the trick for me.

>

> Hope this helps,

>

> n

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Yes. It's usually a sign of training too high. It could also be secondary to releasing locked up energy ( has this response sometimes after training down at the temporals.

Try that F4 and T4 squish and see if she has the same responses.

Pete

Van DeusenBrainTrainer ()16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami, FL 33157305/321-1595

itching

Hi Pete,

I forgot to ask you a question yesterday, about my client who gets “weepy” whenever we do T3/T4 beta down, she also reports that she experiences a feeling of itchiness all over her body which lasts for several days. Ever heard of this? Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Thanks !

Re:

itching

,

Yes. It's usually a sign of training too

high. It could also be secondary to releasing locked up energy (

has this response sometimes after training down at the temporals.

Try that F4 and T4 squish and see if she has the same

responses.

Pete

Van Deusen

BrainTrainer ()

16246 SW 92nd Ave, Miami,

FL 33157

305/321-1595

itching

Hi Pete,

I forgot to ask you a question

yesterday, about my client who gets “weepy” whenever we do T3/T4

beta down, she also reports that she experiences a feeling of itchiness all

over her body which lasts for several days.

Ever heard of this? Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandy,

This is one of the reasons I love this list. You think you're the only one

and then find out....not. I just told Jill that this had been happening for

years, but only now and then. I would change soap, shampoo, foods, stop and

start supplements again, but nothing changed. Then when taking antibiotics for

lyme I really got going. First I became allergic to all ABX then my supplements

and now I just don't know what. Isn't it strange that movement and heat make it

worse? Does polyclonal gammopathy cause this sever burning and itching. It's

like a sunburn being rubbed with sandpaper. Is that what the test is called cuz

I'll get one for sure. Thanks for sharing your experience. Edy

sandie0874 <HallLeibow@...> wrote:

Hi Edy,

I have the same intense itching EVERYWHERE on and off, drives me

crazy! Feels like an intense allergic reaction, yet no rash anywhere.

Like you, I have no itching at night, starts after I get moving in

the morning. I usually stop taking all supplements and try to eat

only foods that have never given me problems but nothing seems to

help. My doctor thinks it could be yeast, hormonal, liver or lyme

related. Liver enzymes are normal though. Recently had a

serum immunofixation test which showed " polyclonal gammopathy " with

very high counts for immunoglobulins G, A and M.

Sandy

>

> Hi Rich, Yes, I've actually taken the VCS test 3 times in the past

2 years and passed with flying colors. From what I understand maybe

1 in 10 do pass this crucial test and still have toxins from mold.

I'm thinking I also need to join the yeast list because I've been

tested on several occassions and am off the charts high with

antibodies and organisms. Blood and stool tests. Maybe you have

some insight on this. I itch EVERYWHERE. Even my tongue and

throat. Bottoms of feet, palms, just miserable with it. I've been

doing HBOT for lyme for 4 months at home and thought for a while it

was die off, but now think might be yeast stuff. I'm clueless. At

first just itched when I took or ate something, but now it's

constant. Here's the weird thing, tho. Not when I'm asleep. I wake

up fine and after moving around a bit, here it comes. Any thoughts?

Sorry to be picking your brain so much today. Smiles, Edy

>

[Guest guest]

Microwaves and other electrosmog have the effect of turning on your

mast cells which release histamine and cause itching. It could be one

possible cause.

paul

-- In , " sandie0874 " <

HallLeibow@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Edy,

>

> I have the same intense itching EVERYWHERE on and off, drives me

> crazy! Feels like an intense allergic reaction, yet no rash

anywhere.

> Like you, I have no itching at night, starts after I get moving in

> the morning. I usually stop taking all supplements and try to eat

> only foods that have never given me problems but nothing seems to

> help. My doctor thinks it could be yeast, hormonal, liver or lyme

> related. Liver enzymes are normal though. Recently had a

> serum immunofixation test which showed " polyclonal gammopathy " with

> very high counts for immunoglobulins G, A and M.

>

> Sandy

>

>

> >

> > Hi Rich, Yes, I've actually taken the VCS test 3 times in the

past

> 2 years and passed with flying colors. From what I understand

maybe

> 1 in 10 do pass this crucial test and still have toxins from mold.

> I'm thinking I also need to join the yeast list because I've been

> tested on several occassions and am off the charts high with

> antibodies and organisms. Blood and stool tests. Maybe you have

> some insight on this. I itch EVERYWHERE. Even my tongue and

> throat. Bottoms of feet, palms, just miserable with it. I've been

> doing HBOT for lyme for 4 months at home and thought for a while it

> was die off, but now think might be yeast stuff. I'm clueless. At

> first just itched when I took or ate something, but now it's

> constant. Here's the weird thing, tho. Not when I'm asleep. I

wake

> up fine and after moving around a bit, here it comes. Any

thoughts?

> Sorry to be picking your brain so much today. Smiles, Edy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Edy,

My doctor said that the polyclonal gammopathy result from the

immunofixation test was " non-specific and just shows that your body

is making a ton of antibodies " . I get that bad sunburnt feeling too

but it isn't as bad as the itching. Never had these symptoms before I

got sick. I've tried everything. Did some researching today. It's

interesting that both " skin itching " and " skin sunburn sensation "

both appear on a symptoms survey form on Dr. Garth Nicolson's site

(along with many other symptoms I have).

http://www.immed.org/signsympt.htm

Have you been tested for mycoplasma infections? I think that is one

type of infection that Dr. Nicolson focuses on. About a year ago I

was positive for mycoplasma pneumoniae (PCR test).

Sandy

> >

> > Hi Rich, Yes, I've actually taken the VCS test 3 times in the

past

> 2 years and passed with flying colors. From what I understand maybe

> 1 in 10 do pass this crucial test and still have toxins from mold.

> I'm thinking I also need to join the yeast list because I've been

> tested on several occassions and am off the charts high with

> antibodies and organisms. Blood and stool tests. Maybe you have

> some insight on this. I itch EVERYWHERE. Even my tongue and

> throat. Bottoms of feet, palms, just miserable with it. I've been

> doing HBOT for lyme for 4 months at home and thought for a while it

> was die off, but now think might be yeast stuff. I'm clueless. At

> first just itched when I took or ate something, but now it's

> constant. Here's the weird thing, tho. Not when I'm asleep. I wake

> up fine and after moving around a bit, here it comes. Any thoughts?

> Sorry to be picking your brain so much today. Smiles, Edy

> >

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