Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I'm sure Dr. is a wonderful and intelligent human being, you can't just go on ONE doctors word. Like I said to each their own. From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM  Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either....I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I'm sure Dr. is a wonderful and intelligent human being, you can't just go on ONE doctors word. Like I said to each their own. From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM  Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either....I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2009 ,  I was just adding to your email where Luc Montagnier says pretty much the same thing. That's two...  From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM  Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either.....I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2009 ,  I was just adding to your email where Luc Montagnier says pretty much the same thing. That's two...  From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM  Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either.....I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Oh that wasn't me who talked about what Montagnier said but I do see your point. However what you said about Dr. finding that HIV doesn't exist in " clean healthy bodies " , I would assume it's true because a " Clean and healthy body " would be disease free.  Other wise it would not be " clean and healthy " LOL! see what I mean? But I do believe that anything bad can be removed from a healthy body. AIDS/HIV or any disease we have stems from a LOWERED IMMUNE system. Our body begins to malfunction. We can fight off just about anything with GOOD NUTRITION and proper exercise. The problem comes from the lack of nutrients we are receiving from our foods, our soils are so depleted and polluted, and we have turned to packaged junk foods with no nutrients. Our bodies can not run without the right fuel, so we begin to decay and the bugs move into us. AIDS is so rampid in these 3rd world countries, their nutritional intake is even worse than ours in the USA. We must CHANGE and get back to the basics of life if we want to live a full life.  From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM  Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either.....I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2009 Oh that wasn't me who talked about what Montagnier said but I do see your point. However what you said about Dr. finding that HIV doesn't exist in " clean healthy bodies " , I would assume it's true because a " Clean and healthy body " would be disease free.  Other wise it would not be " clean and healthy " LOL! see what I mean? But I do believe that anything bad can be removed from a healthy body. AIDS/HIV or any disease we have stems from a LOWERED IMMUNE system. Our body begins to malfunction. We can fight off just about anything with GOOD NUTRITION and proper exercise. The problem comes from the lack of nutrients we are receiving from our foods, our soils are so depleted and polluted, and we have turned to packaged junk foods with no nutrients. Our bodies can not run without the right fuel, so we begin to decay and the bugs move into us. AIDS is so rampid in these 3rd world countries, their nutritional intake is even worse than ours in the USA. We must CHANGE and get back to the basics of life if we want to live a full life.  From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM  Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either.....I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Thanks for welcoming me to the group. Yes, hiv is very real. For someone to say that hiv is a myth, just baffles me. When you go through sickness yourself and see others suffer as well (with or without taking meds), I'm sorry you know that there's no myth around a sexually transmitted virus. People have unprotected sex, they exchange infected body fluids, and they become ill shortly afterwards! That is no freakin' myth! How to treat it? Ok, now that's another issue that can be debated. I'm not feeling that the hiv anti-virals are safe over a long period of time. My biggest concern is what it would do to my liver. I just spoke with a guy online the other day, who is hiv+, and he looked very healthy. I asked him was he on hiv meds and he said that he was taking one pill a day. I asked him about the side effects and he said they only lasted about a week and his body adjusted. He said he's doing fine now and he is now undetectable. He says the meds have definitely helped him. While we are all skeptical of the hiv=aids theory, we still need to look at both sides and give credit to the fact that yes some people out there are doing much better since taking the meds, some are not. The virus does not behave the same in everyone. Both sides need to be weighed and we all need to have an open-mind. Of course, no one wants to believe in hiv and no one wants to take those pills. I have tried the Beck Protocol, the Silver Pulsar, and taken great amounts of silver. I went to get tested and I am still positive. Some of the great AIDS dissidents who were hiv+ died an early death believing that hiv was not the cause of AIDS (ex: Maggoire and Mr. Graves). I'm sorry, but you can't ignore these things. There are others that I've read about online that were positive and died early believing that hiv was a myth. Let's say hiv is a myth. Ok, that's fine BUT something is making people sick after a risky sex encounter and they usually end up dying years later. All those deaths do not strictly relate to frequent drug use, poppers, partying, etc. Explain that please? I am very open to hearing ALL views because it's my life and in the end I have to decide for myself. If you are positive and reading this, you have to decide for yourself as well. If that Ed guy gets upset with what I've said, I could care less. Everyone has a right to be heard and voice how they feel. By hearing multiple views, we can all come to a conclusion for what's best for our health and our lives. God bless this group and may we all find the solutions and inner peace that we seek for our health and our lives. ________________________________ From: Don <donjuan69uni@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 9:05:24 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello I agree with you 100%. I had the same symptoms. Although many of us can't seem to level on what HIV/AIDS is I refuse to believe that it doesn't exist. I go visit AIDS patients all the time and make clothing donations to them. To me it's very real. They're not sick and dying because they want to. But hey, to each their own. I'm glad to see you on this group. From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex.. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Thanks for welcoming me to the group. Yes, hiv is very real. For someone to say that hiv is a myth, just baffles me. When you go through sickness yourself and see others suffer as well (with or without taking meds), I'm sorry you know that there's no myth around a sexually transmitted virus. People have unprotected sex, they exchange infected body fluids, and they become ill shortly afterwards! That is no freakin' myth! How to treat it? Ok, now that's another issue that can be debated. I'm not feeling that the hiv anti-virals are safe over a long period of time. My biggest concern is what it would do to my liver. I just spoke with a guy online the other day, who is hiv+, and he looked very healthy. I asked him was he on hiv meds and he said that he was taking one pill a day. I asked him about the side effects and he said they only lasted about a week and his body adjusted. He said he's doing fine now and he is now undetectable. He says the meds have definitely helped him. While we are all skeptical of the hiv=aids theory, we still need to look at both sides and give credit to the fact that yes some people out there are doing much better since taking the meds, some are not. The virus does not behave the same in everyone. Both sides need to be weighed and we all need to have an open-mind. Of course, no one wants to believe in hiv and no one wants to take those pills. I have tried the Beck Protocol, the Silver Pulsar, and taken great amounts of silver. I went to get tested and I am still positive. Some of the great AIDS dissidents who were hiv+ died an early death believing that hiv was not the cause of AIDS (ex: Maggoire and Mr. Graves). I'm sorry, but you can't ignore these things. There are others that I've read about online that were positive and died early believing that hiv was a myth. Let's say hiv is a myth. Ok, that's fine BUT something is making people sick after a risky sex encounter and they usually end up dying years later. All those deaths do not strictly relate to frequent drug use, poppers, partying, etc. Explain that please? I am very open to hearing ALL views because it's my life and in the end I have to decide for myself. If you are positive and reading this, you have to decide for yourself as well. If that Ed guy gets upset with what I've said, I could care less. Everyone has a right to be heard and voice how they feel. By hearing multiple views, we can all come to a conclusion for what's best for our health and our lives. God bless this group and may we all find the solutions and inner peace that we seek for our health and our lives. ________________________________ From: Don <donjuan69uni@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 9:05:24 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello I agree with you 100%. I had the same symptoms. Although many of us can't seem to level on what HIV/AIDS is I refuse to believe that it doesn't exist. I go visit AIDS patients all the time and make clothing donations to them. To me it's very real. They're not sick and dying because they want to. But hey, to each their own. I'm glad to see you on this group. From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex.. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Hello, There is definitely something making people sick, and I will share a story of an ex. No drugs of any kind and no diagnosis until he became very ill. He was so incredibly weak and sick that I was afraid he might not make it. After a month or so on antivirals he was doing much better, although he had some side effects. This is a guy who never touched any drugs and rarely drank alcohol except maybe wine with dinner occasionally. When he tested positive he had around 80 t cells and a viral load over 200,000. What either of these numbers means can be debated, of course. I have been on and off meds, and recently had a viral load over 100,000 even though I felt great. My t cells were about 180, so a bit low but not terrible. I had just started a very promising regimen using Young Living essential oils, but chose to go back on antivirals for 2 months to hopefully help bring things back into balance. After that my t cells were a little up to around 225 and viral load down to 70 or so. I don't know to what extent these numbers have significance to HIV, but the body definitely needs t cells to be healthy and fight disease. I believe it is super important to detox the body through eating better and eliminating the many chemicals from our everyday products, as well as colon cleansing and then cleansing the other organs- especially the liver for anyone with a history of drug use (HIV drugs or other). Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...> wrote: > Thanks for welcoming me to the group. Yes, hiv is very real. For > someone to say that hiv is a myth, just baffles me. When you go > through sickness yourself and see others suffer as well (with or > without taking meds), I'm sorry you know that there's no myth around > a sexually transmitted virus. People have unprotected sex, they > exchange infected body fluids, and they become ill shortly > afterwards! That is no freakin' myth! > > How to treat it? Ok, now that's another issue that can be debated. > I'm not feeling that the hiv anti-virals are safe over a long period > of time. My biggest concern is what it would do to my liver. I > just spoke with a guy online the other day, who is hiv+, and he > looked very healthy. I asked him was he on hiv meds and he said > that he was taking one pill a day. I asked him about the side > effects and he said they only lasted about a week and his body > adjusted. He said he's doing fine now and he is now undetectable. > He says the meds have definitely helped him. > > While we are all skeptical of the hiv=aids theory, we still need to > look at both sides and give credit to the fact that yes some people > out there are doing much better since taking the meds, some are > not. The virus does not behave the same in everyone. Both sides > need to be weighed and we all need to have an open-mind. Of course, > no one wants to believe in hiv and no one wants to take those pills. > > I have tried the Beck Protocol, the Silver Pulsar, and taken great > amounts of silver. I went to get tested and I am still positive. > Some of the great AIDS dissidents who were hiv+ died an early death > believing that hiv was not the cause of AIDS (ex: Maggoire > and Mr. Graves). I'm sorry, but you can't ignore these things. > There are others that I've read about online that were positive and > died early believing that hiv was a myth. Let's say hiv is a myth. > Ok, that's fine BUT something is making people sick after a risky > sex encounter and they usually end up dying years later. All those > deaths do not strictly relate to frequent drug use, poppers, > partying, etc. Explain that please? > > I am very open to hearing ALL views because it's my life and in the > end I have to decide for myself. If you are positive and reading > this, you have to decide for yourself as well. If that Ed guy gets > upset with what I've said, I could care less. Everyone has a right > to be heard and voice how they feel. By hearing multiple views, we > can all come to a conclusion for what's best for our health and our > lives. God bless this group and may we all find the solutions and > inner peace that we seek for our health and our lives. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Don <donjuan69uni@...> > cures for AIDS > Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 9:05:24 AM > Subject: Re: Re: Hello > > > I agree with you 100%. I had the same symptoms. Although many of > us can't seem to level on what HIV/AIDS is I refuse to believe that > it doesn't exist. I go visit AIDS patients all the time and make > clothing donations to them. To me it's very real. They're not sick > and dying because they want to. But hey, to each their own. I'm > glad to see you on this group. > > > > > From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> > Subject: Re: Hello > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM > > > > Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) > explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person > who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or > whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few > years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my > health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have > spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or > that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say > that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer > drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of > stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/ > herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us > sick and it is definitely related to sex.. I came down with the high > fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands > still swollen years later). A few months > later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, > whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more > posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > >>>> >>>> >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Â >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will >>>> ideally never go away, right? 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Hello, There is definitely something making people sick, and I will share a story of an ex. No drugs of any kind and no diagnosis until he became very ill. He was so incredibly weak and sick that I was afraid he might not make it. After a month or so on antivirals he was doing much better, although he had some side effects. This is a guy who never touched any drugs and rarely drank alcohol except maybe wine with dinner occasionally. When he tested positive he had around 80 t cells and a viral load over 200,000. What either of these numbers means can be debated, of course. I have been on and off meds, and recently had a viral load over 100,000 even though I felt great. My t cells were about 180, so a bit low but not terrible. I had just started a very promising regimen using Young Living essential oils, but chose to go back on antivirals for 2 months to hopefully help bring things back into balance. After that my t cells were a little up to around 225 and viral load down to 70 or so. I don't know to what extent these numbers have significance to HIV, but the body definitely needs t cells to be healthy and fight disease. I believe it is super important to detox the body through eating better and eliminating the many chemicals from our everyday products, as well as colon cleansing and then cleansing the other organs- especially the liver for anyone with a history of drug use (HIV drugs or other). Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Nonyo Biznazz <nonyobiznazz@...> wrote: > Thanks for welcoming me to the group. Yes, hiv is very real. For > someone to say that hiv is a myth, just baffles me. When you go > through sickness yourself and see others suffer as well (with or > without taking meds), I'm sorry you know that there's no myth around > a sexually transmitted virus. People have unprotected sex, they > exchange infected body fluids, and they become ill shortly > afterwards! That is no freakin' myth! > > How to treat it? Ok, now that's another issue that can be debated. > I'm not feeling that the hiv anti-virals are safe over a long period > of time. My biggest concern is what it would do to my liver. I > just spoke with a guy online the other day, who is hiv+, and he > looked very healthy. I asked him was he on hiv meds and he said > that he was taking one pill a day. I asked him about the side > effects and he said they only lasted about a week and his body > adjusted. He said he's doing fine now and he is now undetectable. > He says the meds have definitely helped him. > > While we are all skeptical of the hiv=aids theory, we still need to > look at both sides and give credit to the fact that yes some people > out there are doing much better since taking the meds, some are > not. The virus does not behave the same in everyone. Both sides > need to be weighed and we all need to have an open-mind. Of course, > no one wants to believe in hiv and no one wants to take those pills. > > I have tried the Beck Protocol, the Silver Pulsar, and taken great > amounts of silver. I went to get tested and I am still positive. > Some of the great AIDS dissidents who were hiv+ died an early death > believing that hiv was not the cause of AIDS (ex: Maggoire > and Mr. Graves). I'm sorry, but you can't ignore these things. > There are others that I've read about online that were positive and > died early believing that hiv was a myth. Let's say hiv is a myth. > Ok, that's fine BUT something is making people sick after a risky > sex encounter and they usually end up dying years later. All those > deaths do not strictly relate to frequent drug use, poppers, > partying, etc. Explain that please? > > I am very open to hearing ALL views because it's my life and in the > end I have to decide for myself. If you are positive and reading > this, you have to decide for yourself as well. If that Ed guy gets > upset with what I've said, I could care less. Everyone has a right > to be heard and voice how they feel. By hearing multiple views, we > can all come to a conclusion for what's best for our health and our > lives. God bless this group and may we all find the solutions and > inner peace that we seek for our health and our lives. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Don <donjuan69uni@...> > cures for AIDS > Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 9:05:24 AM > Subject: Re: Re: Hello > > > I agree with you 100%. I had the same symptoms. Although many of > us can't seem to level on what HIV/AIDS is I refuse to believe that > it doesn't exist. I go visit AIDS patients all the time and make > clothing donations to them. To me it's very real. They're not sick > and dying because they want to. But hey, to each their own. I'm > glad to see you on this group. > > > > > From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> > Subject: Re: Hello > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM > > > > Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) > explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person > who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or > whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few > years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my > health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have > spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or > that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say > that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer > drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of > stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/ > herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us > sick and it is definitely related to sex.. I came down with the high > fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands > still swollen years later). A few months > later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, > whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more > posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > >>>> >>>> >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Â >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will >>>> ideally never go away, right? 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Thank you! and very well said. I could not have said this better myself. Like you I'm also on the fence about this HIV=AIDS theory. I do believe both AIDS and HIV do exist. However the whole meds issue is still debatable. Yes I have friends who are undetecable on meds but also their faces are wasting away and so are their bodies and their livers. I joined this group to learn from others and to also pass my knowledge around. I have made many friends that I keep in contact with here by e-mail or phone. It just upsets me at times that people come to this group looking for support and advise yet they get chased away by certain individuals who just bully them by calling them crazy and stupid. I have been doing very well with Natural Herbs and Oxygen. Right now at my work place everyone around me is sick except for me. When I did get sick a combination of Cat's Claw, Pau D'Arco and Essiac cleared up my flu up in one day! It's all about taking control of your life and doing the right thing. Don't get the idea that you can't live without these toxic meds.  My mother is on dialysis because her doctors never told her that Metformin is poison to the kidneys. Metformin is the drug that 90% of diabetics are on. From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex.. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Thank you! and very well said. I could not have said this better myself. Like you I'm also on the fence about this HIV=AIDS theory. I do believe both AIDS and HIV do exist. However the whole meds issue is still debatable. Yes I have friends who are undetecable on meds but also their faces are wasting away and so are their bodies and their livers. I joined this group to learn from others and to also pass my knowledge around. I have made many friends that I keep in contact with here by e-mail or phone. It just upsets me at times that people come to this group looking for support and advise yet they get chased away by certain individuals who just bully them by calling them crazy and stupid. I have been doing very well with Natural Herbs and Oxygen. Right now at my work place everyone around me is sick except for me. When I did get sick a combination of Cat's Claw, Pau D'Arco and Essiac cleared up my flu up in one day! It's all about taking control of your life and doing the right thing. Don't get the idea that you can't live without these toxic meds.  My mother is on dialysis because her doctors never told her that Metformin is poison to the kidneys. Metformin is the drug that 90% of diabetics are on. From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex.. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Thanks you for letting me know about the passing away of my hero and a great incarnation of one of the the Manu Putra (Son of Man) Boyd Graves. I have spoken to Boyd Graves a few times after buying is book State Origin: The Evidence of The Laboratory Birth of AIDS and he was very inspired man for sure. Krsna came for him as plan, I use to speak to him on the phone, Boyd Graves, I use to say to him Hey Son of God, Hey Manu Putra, he would respond with “ you don’t know how you make me feel when you say that” Son of Man, I will miss you. But as you know from our talk together about the true self the eternal soul, which will never dies. One of the most fundamental question which has been ask in relationship to the Special Virus Program. Was presented by Boyd Graves. The United States must be compelled to answer. “By what natural mechanism does the Icelandic Sheep disease, Visna, appear in the genetic sequence of HIV”? cures for AIDS From: nonyobiznazz@... Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:53:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Re: Hello Thanks for welcoming me to the group. Yes, hiv is very real. For someone to say that hiv is a myth, just baffles me. When you go through sickness yourself and see others suffer as well (with or without taking meds), I'm sorry you know that there's no myth around a sexually transmitted virus. People have unprotected sex, they exchange infected body fluids, and they become ill shortly afterwards! That is no freakin' myth! How to treat it? Ok, now that's another issue that can be debated. I'm not feeling that the hiv anti-virals are safe over a long period of time. My biggest concern is what it would do to my liver. I just spoke with a guy online the other day, who is hiv+, and he looked very healthy. I asked him was he on hiv meds and he said that he was taking one pill a day. I asked him about the side effects and he said they only lasted about a week and his body adjusted. He said he's doing fine now and he is now undetectable. He says the meds have definitely helped him. While we are all skeptical of the hiv=aids theory, we still need to look at both sides and give credit to the fact that yes some people out there are doing much better since taking the meds, some are not. The virus does not behave the same in everyone. Both sides need to be weighed and we all need to have an open-mind. Of course, no one wants to believe in hiv and no one wants to take those pills. I have tried the Beck Protocol, the Silver Pulsar, and taken great amounts of silver. I went to get tested and I am still positive. Some of the great AIDS dissidents who were hiv+ died an early death believing that hiv was not the cause of AIDS (ex: Maggoire and Mr. Graves). I'm sorry, but you can't ignore these things. There are others that I've read about online that were positive and died early believing that hiv was a myth. Let's say hiv is a myth. Ok, that's fine BUT something is making people sick after a risky sex encounter and they usually end up dying years later. All those deaths do not strictly relate to frequent drug use, poppers, partying, etc. Explain that please? I am very open to hearing ALL views because it's my life and in the end I have to decide for myself. If you are positive and reading this, you have to decide for yourself as well. If that Ed guy gets upset with what I've said, I could care less. Everyone has a right to be heard and voice how they feel. By hearing multiple views, we can all come to a conclusion for what's best for our health and our lives. God bless this group and may we all find the solutions and inner peace that we seek for our health and our lives. ________________________________ From: Don <donjuan69uni@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 9:05:24 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello I agree with you 100%. I had the same symptoms. Although many of us can't seem to level on what HIV/AIDS is I refuse to believe that it doesn't exist. I go visit AIDS patients all the time and make clothing donations to them. To me it's very real. They're not sick and dying because they want to. But hey, to each their own. I'm glad to see you on this group. From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex.. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 3, 2009 Thanks you for letting me know about the passing away of my hero and a great incarnation of one of the the Manu Putra (Son of Man) Boyd Graves. I have spoken to Boyd Graves a few times after buying is book State Origin: The Evidence of The Laboratory Birth of AIDS and he was very inspired man for sure. Krsna came for him as plan, I use to speak to him on the phone, Boyd Graves, I use to say to him Hey Son of God, Hey Manu Putra, he would respond with “ you don’t know how you make me feel when you say that” Son of Man, I will miss you. But as you know from our talk together about the true self the eternal soul, which will never dies. One of the most fundamental question which has been ask in relationship to the Special Virus Program. Was presented by Boyd Graves. The United States must be compelled to answer. “By what natural mechanism does the Icelandic Sheep disease, Visna, appear in the genetic sequence of HIV”? cures for AIDS From: nonyobiznazz@... Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:53:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Re: Hello Thanks for welcoming me to the group. Yes, hiv is very real. For someone to say that hiv is a myth, just baffles me. When you go through sickness yourself and see others suffer as well (with or without taking meds), I'm sorry you know that there's no myth around a sexually transmitted virus. People have unprotected sex, they exchange infected body fluids, and they become ill shortly afterwards! That is no freakin' myth! How to treat it? Ok, now that's another issue that can be debated. I'm not feeling that the hiv anti-virals are safe over a long period of time. My biggest concern is what it would do to my liver. I just spoke with a guy online the other day, who is hiv+, and he looked very healthy. I asked him was he on hiv meds and he said that he was taking one pill a day. I asked him about the side effects and he said they only lasted about a week and his body adjusted. He said he's doing fine now and he is now undetectable. He says the meds have definitely helped him. While we are all skeptical of the hiv=aids theory, we still need to look at both sides and give credit to the fact that yes some people out there are doing much better since taking the meds, some are not. The virus does not behave the same in everyone. Both sides need to be weighed and we all need to have an open-mind. Of course, no one wants to believe in hiv and no one wants to take those pills. I have tried the Beck Protocol, the Silver Pulsar, and taken great amounts of silver. I went to get tested and I am still positive. Some of the great AIDS dissidents who were hiv+ died an early death believing that hiv was not the cause of AIDS (ex: Maggoire and Mr. Graves). I'm sorry, but you can't ignore these things. There are others that I've read about online that were positive and died early believing that hiv was a myth. Let's say hiv is a myth. Ok, that's fine BUT something is making people sick after a risky sex encounter and they usually end up dying years later. All those deaths do not strictly relate to frequent drug use, poppers, partying, etc. Explain that please? I am very open to hearing ALL views because it's my life and in the end I have to decide for myself. If you are positive and reading this, you have to decide for yourself as well. If that Ed guy gets upset with what I've said, I could care less. Everyone has a right to be heard and voice how they feel. By hearing multiple views, we can all come to a conclusion for what's best for our health and our lives. God bless this group and may we all find the solutions and inner peace that we seek for our health and our lives. ________________________________ From: Don <donjuan69uni@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Tue, December 1, 2009 9:05:24 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello I agree with you 100%. I had the same symptoms. Although many of us can't seem to level on what HIV/AIDS is I refuse to believe that it doesn't exist. I go visit AIDS patients all the time and make clothing donations to them. To me it's very real. They're not sick and dying because they want to. But hey, to each their own. I'm glad to see you on this group. From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex.. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Thanks .I really needed to hear what you have to say......I know that it exsists cause i am very much living with it...I moving into my 8th year of bring HIV+.... I am not on any meds.......But I sure know it is there...I take alot of supplements with high hopes of gaining the odds.I read what everyone has to say here.Some of it I agree with some I don't...But I do agree with you that it affects each and everyone one of us differently and that we have tp sort thru all the information that is provided to us from others who have and are still experiencing the affects of HIV and Aids...... Florence > > From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> > Subject: Re: Hello > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM > > > > Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) > explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person > who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or > whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few > years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my > health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have > spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or > that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say > that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer > drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of > stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/ > herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us > sick and it is definitely related to sex.. I came down with the high > fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands > still swollen years later). A few months > later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, > whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more > posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > >>>> >>>> >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Â >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will >>>> ideally never go away, right? I didn't know they even had a test >>>> that showed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 4, 2009 Thanks .I really needed to hear what you have to say......I know that it exsists cause i am very much living with it...I moving into my 8th year of bring HIV+.... I am not on any meds.......But I sure know it is there...I take alot of supplements with high hopes of gaining the odds.I read what everyone has to say here.Some of it I agree with some I don't...But I do agree with you that it affects each and everyone one of us differently and that we have tp sort thru all the information that is provided to us from others who have and are still experiencing the affects of HIV and Aids...... Florence > > From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> > Subject: Re: Hello > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM > > > > Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) > explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person > who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or > whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few > years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my > health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have > spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or > that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say > that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer > drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of > stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/ > herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us > sick and it is definitely related to sex.. I came down with the high > fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands > still swollen years later). A few months > later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, > whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more > posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > >>>> >>>> >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> Â >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will >>>> ideally never go away, right? I didn't know they even had a test >>>> that showed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Yes, some of us do get very sick and have AIDS, but consider other causes of our problems such as HHV6A, which only 5% of the population has and it is extremely deadly. For those interested check out the HHV6 Foundation on line and learn about where to be tested. There is 100% correlation to it and AIDS. There is also certain mycoplasmas and other viruses which have related to AIDS. To give HIV, a harmless passenger retrovirus the credit, without doing the proper research is doing an injustice to one's self. I am in the process of being tested for the HHV6A strain and if proves positive, then I will take the right antiviral for it and not the standard HIV meds. If one takes the meds and they work and one if ok with accepting the long-term risks, then contiune on. However, many of us want to know the real truth and must pursue our own path in life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 5, 2009 Yes, some of us do get very sick and have AIDS, but consider other causes of our problems such as HHV6A, which only 5% of the population has and it is extremely deadly. For those interested check out the HHV6 Foundation on line and learn about where to be tested. There is 100% correlation to it and AIDS. There is also certain mycoplasmas and other viruses which have related to AIDS. To give HIV, a harmless passenger retrovirus the credit, without doing the proper research is doing an injustice to one's self. I am in the process of being tested for the HHV6A strain and if proves positive, then I will take the right antiviral for it and not the standard HIV meds. If one takes the meds and they work and one if ok with accepting the long-term risks, then contiune on. However, many of us want to know the real truth and must pursue our own path in life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 7, 2009 hello guys watch out for agents on here it doesn't mean anything .but that there on here spreading false lies some guy on here said that he tried out the beck protocols and he still tested positive .i have a very good question who ever you may be you say you went to a doctor well my friend it's not in there best interest to tell you that your cured because that would open up the flood gates one person cured takes away lots and lots and lots of money he can't eat or send his children to school or take his wife on those lovely vacation with out you spending over and beyond 20'000 a year on there drugs you say that the doctor told you your still positive why on god green earth wouldn't he ? your paying his bills your paying for that new car he drives so you guys can keep on thinking inside the box 85% of the people want to die that's just face it do your own research start questioning these people who get on here with this shit***** ________________________________ From: NS <calmlotusflower@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 2:30:01 PM Subject: Re: Hello  My response to this is in my new thread, here: http://health. groups.. com/group/ cures for AIDS/ message/6224 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello > >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Â > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What > >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you > >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if > >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will > >>>> ideally never go away, right? I didn't know they even had a test > >>>> that showed > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 7, 2009 hello guys watch out for agents on here it doesn't mean anything .but that there on here spreading false lies some guy on here said that he tried out the beck protocols and he still tested positive .i have a very good question who ever you may be you say you went to a doctor well my friend it's not in there best interest to tell you that your cured because that would open up the flood gates one person cured takes away lots and lots and lots of money he can't eat or send his children to school or take his wife on those lovely vacation with out you spending over and beyond 20'000 a year on there drugs you say that the doctor told you your still positive why on god green earth wouldn't he ? your paying his bills your paying for that new car he drives so you guys can keep on thinking inside the box 85% of the people want to die that's just face it do your own research start questioning these people who get on here with this shit***** ________________________________ From: NS <calmlotusflower@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 2:30:01 PM Subject: Re: Hello  My response to this is in my new thread, here: http://health. groups.. com/group/ cures for AIDS/ message/6224 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello > >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Â > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What > >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you > >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if > >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will > >>>> ideally never go away, right? I didn't know they even had a test > >>>> that showed > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 7, 2009 lets talk about getting cured not quick fixes who on here has tried the bob beck protocol ? i mean the whole protocol not just the silvar pulsar my friend there's  more to that then just using some silver the whole protocol must be used .not one device but all of them .everyone on here needs to stop fooling your self it's all a mind thing some of you on here say you have aids some of you say you have hiv .that's look at it like this you don't really know what you have only what the crooks in the media has told you .i'm here trying to awaken asleeping giant nothing else .ask your self why did the FDA surppress this information from you guys and your now running around thinking that you need there drugs to servive?any one on here know why your being miss lead into believeing that there isn't away out ?there are just some people in the world who doesn't give a good got damn about you but i do care a whole great deal . i'm trying to put light on the situation at hand here. take back your powers !!!! peace ________________________________ From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 8:50:42 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello  hello guys watch out for agents on here it doesn't mean anything .but that there on here spreading false lies some guy on here said that he tried out the beck protocols and he still tested positive .i have a very good question who ever you may be you say you went to a doctor well my friend it's not in there best interest to tell you that your cured because that would open up the flood gates one person cured takes away lots and lots and lots of money he can't eat or send his children to school or take his wife on those lovely vacation with out you spending over and beyond 20'000 a year on there drugs you say that the doctor told you your still positive why on god green earth wouldn't he ? your paying his bills your paying for that new car he drives so you guys can keep on thinking inside the box 85% of the people want to die that's just face it do your own research start questioning these people who get on here with this shit***** ____________ _________ _________ __ From: NS <calmlotusflower> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 2:30:01 PM Subject: Re: Hello  My response to this is in my new thread, here: http://health. groups.. com/group/ cures for AIDS/ message/6224 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello > >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Â > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What > >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you > >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if > >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will > >>>> ideally never go away, right? I didn't know they even had a test > >>>> that showed > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 7, 2009 lets talk about getting cured not quick fixes who on here has tried the bob beck protocol ? i mean the whole protocol not just the silvar pulsar my friend there's  more to that then just using some silver the whole protocol must be used .not one device but all of them .everyone on here needs to stop fooling your self it's all a mind thing some of you on here say you have aids some of you say you have hiv .that's look at it like this you don't really know what you have only what the crooks in the media has told you .i'm here trying to awaken asleeping giant nothing else .ask your self why did the FDA surppress this information from you guys and your now running around thinking that you need there drugs to servive?any one on here know why your being miss lead into believeing that there isn't away out ?there are just some people in the world who doesn't give a good got damn about you but i do care a whole great deal . i'm trying to put light on the situation at hand here. take back your powers !!!! peace ________________________________ From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 8:50:42 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello  hello guys watch out for agents on here it doesn't mean anything .but that there on here spreading false lies some guy on here said that he tried out the beck protocols and he still tested positive .i have a very good question who ever you may be you say you went to a doctor well my friend it's not in there best interest to tell you that your cured because that would open up the flood gates one person cured takes away lots and lots and lots of money he can't eat or send his children to school or take his wife on those lovely vacation with out you spending over and beyond 20'000 a year on there drugs you say that the doctor told you your still positive why on god green earth wouldn't he ? your paying his bills your paying for that new car he drives so you guys can keep on thinking inside the box 85% of the people want to die that's just face it do your own research start questioning these people who get on here with this shit***** ____________ _________ _________ __ From: NS <calmlotusflower> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 2:30:01 PM Subject: Re: Hello  My response to this is in my new thread, here: http://health. groups.. com/group/ cures for AIDS/ message/6224 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello > >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Â > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What > >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you > >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if > >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will > >>>> ideally never go away, right? I didn't know they even had a test > >>>> that showed > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 7, 2009 Well I for one haven't been fooling around. I've been on the hydrogen peroxide therapy for 4 months now. It seems to be working. I have been following the protocol as best as I can. I feel a whole lot better as when I was on meds. I also take a number herbs and supplements to help this therapy out. In the last couple of days I have never felt more energetic and toxic free. From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...> Subject: Re: Re: Hello cures for AIDS Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 9:35 AM  lets talk about getting cured not quick fixes who on here has tried the bob beck protocol ? i mean the whole protocol not just the silvar pulsar my friend there's  more to that then just using some silver the whole protocol must be used .not one device but all of them .everyone on here needs to stop fooling your self it's all a mind thing some of you on here say you have aids some of you say you have hiv .that's look at it like this you don't really know what you have only what the crooks in the media has told you .i'm here trying to awaken asleeping giant nothing else .ask your self why did the FDA surppress this information from you guys and your now running around thinking that you need there drugs to servive?any one on here know why your being miss lead into believeing that there isn't away out ?there are just some people in the world who doesn't give a good got damn about you but i do care a whole great deal . i'm trying to put light on the situation at hand here. take back your powers !!!! peace ____________ _________ _________ __ From: william smith <williamsmith7850@ att.net> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 8:50:42 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello  hello guys watch out for agents on here it doesn't mean anything .but that there on here spreading false lies some guy on here said that he tried out the beck protocols and he still tested positive .i have a very good question who ever you may be you say you went to a doctor well my friend it's not in there best interest to tell you that your cured because that would open up the flood gates one person cured takes away lots and lots and lots of money he can't eat or send his children to school or take his wife on those lovely vacation with out you spending over and beyond 20'000 a year on there drugs you say that the doctor told you your still positive why on god green earth wouldn't he ? your paying his bills your paying for that new car he drives so you guys can keep on thinking inside the box 85% of the people want to die that's just face it do your own research start questioning these people who get on here with this shit***** ____________ _________ _________ __ From: NS <calmlotusflower> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 2:30:01 PM Subject: Re: Hello  My response to this is in my new thread, here: http://health. groups.. com/group/ cures for AIDS/ message/6224 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello > >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Â > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What > >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you > >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if > >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will > >>>> ideally never go away, right? I didn't know they even had a test > >>>> that showed > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 7, 2009 Well I for one haven't been fooling around. I've been on the hydrogen peroxide therapy for 4 months now. It seems to be working. I have been following the protocol as best as I can. I feel a whole lot better as when I was on meds. I also take a number herbs and supplements to help this therapy out. In the last couple of days I have never felt more energetic and toxic free. From: william smith <williamsmith7850@...> Subject: Re: Re: Hello cures for AIDS Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 9:35 AM  lets talk about getting cured not quick fixes who on here has tried the bob beck protocol ? i mean the whole protocol not just the silvar pulsar my friend there's  more to that then just using some silver the whole protocol must be used .not one device but all of them .everyone on here needs to stop fooling your self it's all a mind thing some of you on here say you have aids some of you say you have hiv .that's look at it like this you don't really know what you have only what the crooks in the media has told you .i'm here trying to awaken asleeping giant nothing else .ask your self why did the FDA surppress this information from you guys and your now running around thinking that you need there drugs to servive?any one on here know why your being miss lead into believeing that there isn't away out ?there are just some people in the world who doesn't give a good got damn about you but i do care a whole great deal . i'm trying to put light on the situation at hand here. take back your powers !!!! peace ____________ _________ _________ __ From: william smith <williamsmith7850@ att.net> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 8:50:42 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello  hello guys watch out for agents on here it doesn't mean anything .but that there on here spreading false lies some guy on here said that he tried out the beck protocols and he still tested positive .i have a very good question who ever you may be you say you went to a doctor well my friend it's not in there best interest to tell you that your cured because that would open up the flood gates one person cured takes away lots and lots and lots of money he can't eat or send his children to school or take his wife on those lovely vacation with out you spending over and beyond 20'000 a year on there drugs you say that the doctor told you your still positive why on god green earth wouldn't he ? your paying his bills your paying for that new car he drives so you guys can keep on thinking inside the box 85% of the people want to die that's just face it do your own research start questioning these people who get on here with this shit***** ____________ _________ _________ __ From: NS <calmlotusflower> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 2:30:01 PM Subject: Re: Hello  My response to this is in my new thread, here: http://health. groups.. com/group/ cures for AIDS/ message/6224 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello > >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Â > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What > >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you > >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if > >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will > >>>> ideally never go away, right? I didn't know they even had a test > >>>> that showed > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 7, 2009 ok don glad to see your feeling and doing well keep on doing what the doctors hate to see you doing . i just love to see people taking back there power don.how many more years must we play this new world order game before we wake up and see that these things were put here to take us out for a more better way of putting it with out saying kill.that's just face it they mean to take  us all out that is it  cut clean and dry know bullshiting around .thanks for sharing that information with those of us who know the truth and speak before research it our selves. ________________________________ From: Don <donjuan69uni@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 9:48:46 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello  Well I for one haven't been fooling around. I've been on the hydrogen peroxide therapy for 4 months now. It seems to be working. I have been following the protocol as best as I can. I feel a whole lot better as when I was on meds.. I also take a number herbs and supplements to help this therapy out.. In the last couple of days I have never felt more energetic and toxic free. From: william smith <williamsmith7850@ att.net> Subject: Re: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 9:35 AM  lets talk about getting cured not quick fixes who on here has tried the bob beck protocol ? i mean the whole protocol not just the silvar pulsar my friend there's  more to that then just using some silver the whole protocol must be used .not one device but all of them .everyone on here needs to stop fooling your self it's all a mind thing some of you on here say you have aids some of you say you have hiv .that's look at it like this you don't really know what you have only what the crooks in the media has told you .i'm here trying to awaken asleeping giant nothing else .ask your self why did the FDA surppress this information from you guys and your now running around thinking that you need there drugs to servive?any one on here know why your being miss lead into believeing that there isn't away out ?there are just some people in the world who doesn't give a good got damn about you but i do care a whole great deal . i'm trying to put light on the situation at hand here. take back your powers !!!! peace ____________ _________ _________ __ From: william smith <williamsmith7850@ att.net> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 8:50:42 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello  hello guys watch out for agents on here it doesn't mean anything .but that there on here spreading false lies some guy on here said that he tried out the beck protocols and he still tested positive .i have a very good question who ever you may be you say you went to a doctor well my friend it's not in there best interest to tell you that your cured because that would open up the flood gates one person cured takes away lots and lots and lots of money he can't eat or send his children to school or take his wife on those lovely vacation with out you spending over and beyond 20'000 a year on there drugs you say that the doctor told you your still positive why on god green earth wouldn't he ? your paying his bills your paying for that new car he drives so you guys can keep on thinking inside the box 85% of the people want to die that's just face it do your own research start questioning these people who get on here with this shit***** ____________ _________ _________ __ From: NS <calmlotusflower> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Sent: Sat, December 5, 2009 2:30:01 PM Subject: Re: Hello  My response to this is in my new thread, here: http://health. groups.. com/group/ cures for AIDS/ message/6224 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> From: NS <calmlotusflower@ > > >>>> Subject: Re: Hello > >>>> cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > >>>> Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Â > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is. What > >>>> is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you > >>>> feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if > >>>> H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will > >>>> ideally never go away, right? I didn't know they even had a test > >>>> that showed > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
