Guest guest Report post Posted November 23, 2009 hello don i need for you to look up this guys name dr. kaali his findings were suppressed back in 1990 and dr. bob beck took on his information you can also check out bob becks lecture on you tube before they take it down .he'll  tell you how the FDA threaten to kill him if he didn't keep quite about what he had found i think it could change the way we are thinking right now i feel very good about this guy something is happen we all know that aids doesn't kill people it's how we treat ourselves wouldn't you agree don ????there is another guy who was working with kaali but check it out i don't have his name on hand at this moment but i'll get back to you on that note. ________________________________ From: Don <donjuan69uni@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Mon, November 23, 2009 9:21:45 AM Subject: Re: Re: Hello  Well my definition of " cure " is simply just getting rid of the problem. I am aware the anti-body may always be present in our bodies forever but just because you have the anti-body doesn't mean you have the problem. When our bodies are exposed to something like HIV or Hep for instance our bodies make these antibodies. Our bodies are like computers and keep track of everything that goes on in it. Many people on here think HIV isn't real and that it's all in you head, and everyone here in entitled to their opinions but my goal is to just have it eliminated from the body. The Anti-body can stay but the virus can not.... From: NS <calmlotusflower> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 5:59 AM  Don , I was wondering what the definition of " cured " is.. What is it that you are looking for; is it blood markers, how you feel...? Just wondering as you said it was too early to tell if H2O2 is a cure. You know the antibody that they test for will ideally never go away, right? I didn't know they even had a test that showed a cure. > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > Subject: Hello > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > >  > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved...I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 26, 2009 Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 26, 2009 Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 27, 2009 I find this post very interesting and of a very intelligent manner. Yes, AIDS, in itself is troubling. First, if we accept that it even exists at all. After all, it was created due to 30 old diseases and given a new name. However, for the sake of this conversation, let's agree that it does exist. Maybe, there are many roads that lead to AIDS. For example months prior to my diagnosis of full-blown AIDS, I was very happy and healthy. Although, I did have a life-time of various health problems. Within a very short time of several months, I was extremely sick and dying and after many visits to over ten doctors, they knew not why. Nevertheless, all of the diseases that I did have were old disease. I feel that for whatever reasons, I tested positives for various things, ex. Epstein Barr, Hepatitis, etc. and all at the same time. My body could not handle the overload. After two very painful bone biopsies, severe immune depression was revealed, no big surprise. When no new cancers were revealed, and exhuasting all other options, an HIV test was ordered, which was positive. Although, I didn't fit the classic category for this disease, I was relieved to finally get a diagnosis. Now, maybe some prognosis could be made. Later, after extensive research, I learned more about AIDS and the un-realabilty of the tests and the HIV virus theory. However, personally, I was presented with a new problem, after gut-wrenching agony, I knew in my heart that the HIV theory was bogus, but the meds were helping to keep me alive. Torn between the standard viewpoint and the rethinkers viewpoint, I decided that I had to chart my own coarse and go with the rethinkers. To this day, I do not believe that a harmless, passenger retrovirus can cause AIDS, as does the founder of this disease too states that other co-factors must be present. What are these co-factors? The sad thing is that very little research is being done to determine exactly what they are; is it life styles issues, drugs, other viruses? As I have always stated, in some severe cases, the meds may be helpful, as they are strong enough to kill whatever is attaching one's body. Nevertheless, it is unfair for HIV+s to be labeled with a sexually transmitted disease and an incurable disease, which affects one mentally in the most negative way. In time, the truth about this disease will come out. As stated by others, one can do many things to stay healthy and live a productive life and wait until the real cause/causes of AIDS is revealed. cures for AIDS , " NS " <calmlotusflower@...> wrote: > > I wasn't very clear on a few things so I'll clear one of them up as I only have a short moment. > > I recognise there are non-fungal diseases in the AIDS defining list. Things like tuberculosis. As so many diseases, including the common cold, are " AIDS " if a person has HIV+ status, particularly if they have trouble recovering. > > When I say AIDS is fungal, I am talking about the wasting, the slew of diseases that can hit and then eventual death. These are fungal. The eventual picture is one of serious fungal condition in many organs. > > This is caused by medication. And not just HIV medication, that's where I differ from almost everyone on this path, even the alternative thinkers. The initial disease may or may not be caused by meds, although, in the western culture it most likely is. The initial disease, the first one, if it is a cold or flu, it may just be no more than that but the drugs that come next, to treat the HIV, start the cascade. > > Some hypotheticals: > > Miss A contracts tuberculosis. It is a rare disease so a barrage of tests are ordered, and questions about her sexual past, drug use, etc are asked. HIV test comes back negative. She is treated for tuberculosis but is not given any HIV medications, for obvious reasons. As she will be given antibiotics and so on, her body's health will be further seriously compromised but the meds are not continual and her body will eventually heal. > > Mr B contracts tuberculosis. The test comes back HIV positive. He is diagnosed with AIDS and treated with heavy duty HIV medications that have no break or pause and his body has no chance to rebound back to health. Most of the bacteria has been slain in his body with antibiotics, corticosteroids, HAART and many other drugs. He has become fungal, and many other diseases start to plague him. > > Miss C goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. She is HIV positive. She is immediately put onto " preventative " HIV meds and after a few years is totally fungal: has PCP, cryptoccocosis, and systemic candidiasis. > > Mr D goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. He is HIV positive. His doctor hounds him about meds but he says he'll take a look and see approach. He gets the flu 4 years later, gets scared, takes meds for HIV, body breaks down. > > Miss E is diagnosed HIV positive. Refuses meds like Mr D but keeps refusing them, even when sick with flu and even one time when she is laid out with PCP. She struggles with her health because although she refuses HIV meds, she DOES take other meds, and her body suffers like so many these days. But she is alive, 10 years after diagnosis. > > Mr F is like Miss E, only he is a raw vegan and takes care of his body and always has. He has an HIV+ diagnosis and is still alive and well 20 years after diagnosis. > > > Most people fit into one of those hypotheticals, although there are overlaps. > > I hope that makes the fungal picture more clear. It doesn't always start out fungal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 27, 2009 I find this post very interesting and of a very intelligent manner. Yes, AIDS, in itself is troubling. First, if we accept that it even exists at all. After all, it was created due to 30 old diseases and given a new name. However, for the sake of this conversation, let's agree that it does exist. Maybe, there are many roads that lead to AIDS. For example months prior to my diagnosis of full-blown AIDS, I was very happy and healthy. Although, I did have a life-time of various health problems. Within a very short time of several months, I was extremely sick and dying and after many visits to over ten doctors, they knew not why. Nevertheless, all of the diseases that I did have were old disease. I feel that for whatever reasons, I tested positives for various things, ex. Epstein Barr, Hepatitis, etc. and all at the same time. My body could not handle the overload. After two very painful bone biopsies, severe immune depression was revealed, no big surprise. When no new cancers were revealed, and exhuasting all other options, an HIV test was ordered, which was positive. Although, I didn't fit the classic category for this disease, I was relieved to finally get a diagnosis. Now, maybe some prognosis could be made. Later, after extensive research, I learned more about AIDS and the un-realabilty of the tests and the HIV virus theory. However, personally, I was presented with a new problem, after gut-wrenching agony, I knew in my heart that the HIV theory was bogus, but the meds were helping to keep me alive. Torn between the standard viewpoint and the rethinkers viewpoint, I decided that I had to chart my own coarse and go with the rethinkers. To this day, I do not believe that a harmless, passenger retrovirus can cause AIDS, as does the founder of this disease too states that other co-factors must be present. What are these co-factors? The sad thing is that very little research is being done to determine exactly what they are; is it life styles issues, drugs, other viruses? As I have always stated, in some severe cases, the meds may be helpful, as they are strong enough to kill whatever is attaching one's body. Nevertheless, it is unfair for HIV+s to be labeled with a sexually transmitted disease and an incurable disease, which affects one mentally in the most negative way. In time, the truth about this disease will come out. As stated by others, one can do many things to stay healthy and live a productive life and wait until the real cause/causes of AIDS is revealed. cures for AIDS , " NS " <calmlotusflower@...> wrote: > > I wasn't very clear on a few things so I'll clear one of them up as I only have a short moment. > > I recognise there are non-fungal diseases in the AIDS defining list. Things like tuberculosis. As so many diseases, including the common cold, are " AIDS " if a person has HIV+ status, particularly if they have trouble recovering. > > When I say AIDS is fungal, I am talking about the wasting, the slew of diseases that can hit and then eventual death. These are fungal. The eventual picture is one of serious fungal condition in many organs. > > This is caused by medication. And not just HIV medication, that's where I differ from almost everyone on this path, even the alternative thinkers. The initial disease may or may not be caused by meds, although, in the western culture it most likely is. The initial disease, the first one, if it is a cold or flu, it may just be no more than that but the drugs that come next, to treat the HIV, start the cascade. > > Some hypotheticals: > > Miss A contracts tuberculosis. It is a rare disease so a barrage of tests are ordered, and questions about her sexual past, drug use, etc are asked. HIV test comes back negative. She is treated for tuberculosis but is not given any HIV medications, for obvious reasons. As she will be given antibiotics and so on, her body's health will be further seriously compromised but the meds are not continual and her body will eventually heal. > > Mr B contracts tuberculosis. The test comes back HIV positive. He is diagnosed with AIDS and treated with heavy duty HIV medications that have no break or pause and his body has no chance to rebound back to health. Most of the bacteria has been slain in his body with antibiotics, corticosteroids, HAART and many other drugs. He has become fungal, and many other diseases start to plague him. > > Miss C goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. She is HIV positive. She is immediately put onto " preventative " HIV meds and after a few years is totally fungal: has PCP, cryptoccocosis, and systemic candidiasis. > > Mr D goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. He is HIV positive. His doctor hounds him about meds but he says he'll take a look and see approach. He gets the flu 4 years later, gets scared, takes meds for HIV, body breaks down. > > Miss E is diagnosed HIV positive. Refuses meds like Mr D but keeps refusing them, even when sick with flu and even one time when she is laid out with PCP. She struggles with her health because although she refuses HIV meds, she DOES take other meds, and her body suffers like so many these days. But she is alive, 10 years after diagnosis. > > Mr F is like Miss E, only he is a raw vegan and takes care of his body and always has. He has an HIV+ diagnosis and is still alive and well 20 years after diagnosis. > > > Most people fit into one of those hypotheticals, although there are overlaps. > > I hope that makes the fungal picture more clear. It doesn't always start out fungal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 28, 2009 In light of the news this week that the whole globle warming scare is bogus, it has me rethinking. Like goble warming, aids is an industry. Both have massive amounts of money pouring into them and funneled though the UN. If science can be manipulated for political purposes and we vear away from fact and into concinous, then could it be possible to some degree some of you maybe right? I haven't put allot of value in those who say aids does not exist, but because of my own hiv I have listened for the past 3 years. The debate becomes much more interesting now and I look forward to seeing how it rages over the next year. I have noticed how medical and support services are moving away from wanting to use the term aids and are wanting to fucus more on using hiv as the standard. > > I wasn't very clear on a few things so I'll clear one of them up as I only have a short moment. > > I recognise there are non-fungal diseases in the AIDS defining list. Things like tuberculosis. As so many diseases, including the common cold, are " AIDS " if a person has HIV+ status, particularly if they have trouble recovering. > > When I say AIDS is fungal, I am talking about the wasting, the slew of diseases that can hit and then eventual death. These are fungal. The eventual picture is one of serious fungal condition in many organs. > > This is caused by medication. And not just HIV medication, that's where I differ from almost everyone on this path, even the alternative thinkers. The initial disease may or may not be caused by meds, although, in the western culture it most likely is. The initial disease, the first one, if it is a cold or flu, it may just be no more than that but the drugs that come next, to treat the HIV, start the cascade. > > Some hypotheticals: > > Miss A contracts tuberculosis. It is a rare disease so a barrage of tests are ordered, and questions about her sexual past, drug use, etc are asked. HIV test comes back negative. She is treated for tuberculosis but is not given any HIV medications, for obvious reasons. As she will be given antibiotics and so on, her body's health will be further seriously compromised but the meds are not continual and her body will eventually heal. > > Mr B contracts tuberculosis. The test comes back HIV positive. He is diagnosed with AIDS and treated with heavy duty HIV medications that have no break or pause and his body has no chance to rebound back to health. Most of the bacteria has been slain in his body with antibiotics, corticosteroids, HAART and many other drugs. He has become fungal, and many other diseases start to plague him. > > Miss C goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. She is HIV positive. She is immediately put onto " preventative " HIV meds and after a few years is totally fungal: has PCP, cryptoccocosis, and systemic candidiasis. > > Mr D goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. He is HIV positive. His doctor hounds him about meds but he says he'll take a look and see approach. He gets the flu 4 years later, gets scared, takes meds for HIV, body breaks down. > > Miss E is diagnosed HIV positive. Refuses meds like Mr D but keeps refusing them, even when sick with flu and even one time when she is laid out with PCP. She struggles with her health because although she refuses HIV meds, she DOES take other meds, and her body suffers like so many these days. But she is alive, 10 years after diagnosis. > > Mr F is like Miss E, only he is a raw vegan and takes care of his body and always has. He has an HIV+ diagnosis and is still alive and well 20 years after diagnosis. > > > Most people fit into one of those hypotheticals, although there are overlaps. > > I hope that makes the fungal picture more clear. It doesn't always start out fungal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 28, 2009 In light of the news this week that the whole globle warming scare is bogus, it has me rethinking. Like goble warming, aids is an industry. Both have massive amounts of money pouring into them and funneled though the UN. If science can be manipulated for political purposes and we vear away from fact and into concinous, then could it be possible to some degree some of you maybe right? I haven't put allot of value in those who say aids does not exist, but because of my own hiv I have listened for the past 3 years. The debate becomes much more interesting now and I look forward to seeing how it rages over the next year. I have noticed how medical and support services are moving away from wanting to use the term aids and are wanting to fucus more on using hiv as the standard. > > I wasn't very clear on a few things so I'll clear one of them up as I only have a short moment. > > I recognise there are non-fungal diseases in the AIDS defining list. Things like tuberculosis. As so many diseases, including the common cold, are " AIDS " if a person has HIV+ status, particularly if they have trouble recovering. > > When I say AIDS is fungal, I am talking about the wasting, the slew of diseases that can hit and then eventual death. These are fungal. The eventual picture is one of serious fungal condition in many organs. > > This is caused by medication. And not just HIV medication, that's where I differ from almost everyone on this path, even the alternative thinkers. The initial disease may or may not be caused by meds, although, in the western culture it most likely is. The initial disease, the first one, if it is a cold or flu, it may just be no more than that but the drugs that come next, to treat the HIV, start the cascade. > > Some hypotheticals: > > Miss A contracts tuberculosis. It is a rare disease so a barrage of tests are ordered, and questions about her sexual past, drug use, etc are asked. HIV test comes back negative. She is treated for tuberculosis but is not given any HIV medications, for obvious reasons. As she will be given antibiotics and so on, her body's health will be further seriously compromised but the meds are not continual and her body will eventually heal. > > Mr B contracts tuberculosis. The test comes back HIV positive. He is diagnosed with AIDS and treated with heavy duty HIV medications that have no break or pause and his body has no chance to rebound back to health. Most of the bacteria has been slain in his body with antibiotics, corticosteroids, HAART and many other drugs. He has become fungal, and many other diseases start to plague him. > > Miss C goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. She is HIV positive. She is immediately put onto " preventative " HIV meds and after a few years is totally fungal: has PCP, cryptoccocosis, and systemic candidiasis. > > Mr D goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. He is HIV positive. His doctor hounds him about meds but he says he'll take a look and see approach. He gets the flu 4 years later, gets scared, takes meds for HIV, body breaks down. > > Miss E is diagnosed HIV positive. Refuses meds like Mr D but keeps refusing them, even when sick with flu and even one time when she is laid out with PCP. She struggles with her health because although she refuses HIV meds, she DOES take other meds, and her body suffers like so many these days. But she is alive, 10 years after diagnosis. > > Mr F is like Miss E, only he is a raw vegan and takes care of his body and always has. He has an HIV+ diagnosis and is still alive and well 20 years after diagnosis. > > > Most people fit into one of those hypotheticals, although there are overlaps. > > I hope that makes the fungal picture more clear. It doesn't always start out fungal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 28, 2009 I am just finishing off some interesting research on Cellar Oxygenation with I came across this very interested article were in the glories of a REBOUNDER was given added strength. 　 http://www.promolifenews.com/the-immune-system-the-war-over-disease/ Other than feeding the immune system, stimulating the lymphatic system is essential. One of the best methods of keeping the lymph fluid moving up the body is by bouncing on a Rebounder. The non-impact vertical bounce of the Rebounder can flush the lymphatic system, plus triple the white blood cell count after only a two minute workout. The cells go through a mild squeezing at the bottom of the bounce which helps pull toxins from them. The top of the bounce causes the valves, which keeps the lymph fluid from flowing backward, to open wide resulting in a gush of lymph fluid. The changing pressure created with the Rebounder gives the entire lymphatic system a huge boost in fighting toxins, invaders and damaged cells for about an hour. For purposes of the lymphatic system more benefit is gained by bouncing several times a day for two minutes each than bouncing once for a half hour. http://www.promolifenews.com/strengthen-the-lymphatic-system-to-increase-longevi\ ty/ Its look like I am going to have buy on of these sooner than later. I wonder which is best one for the Job. cures for AIDS From: noreenelaine@... Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:01:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello I find this post very interesting and of a very intelligent manner. Yes, AIDS, in itself is troubling. First, if we accept that it even exists at all. After all, it was created due to 30 old diseases and given a new name. However, for the sake of this conversation, let's agree that it does exist. Maybe, there are many roads that lead to AIDS. For example months prior to my diagnosis of full-blown AIDS, I was very happy and healthy. Although, I did have a life-time of various health problems. Within a very short time of several months, I was extremely sick and dying and after many visits to over ten doctors, they knew not why. Nevertheless, all of the diseases that I did have were old disease. I feel that for whatever reasons, I tested positives for various things, ex. Epstein Barr, Hepatitis, etc. and all at the same time. My body could not handle the overload. After two very painful bone biopsies, severe immune depression was revealed, no big surprise. When no new cancers were revealed, and exhuasting all other options, an HIV test was ordered, which was positive. Although, I didn't fit the classic category for this disease, I was relieved to finally get a diagnosis. Now, maybe some prognosis could be made. Later, after extensive research, I learned more about AIDS and the un-realabilty of the tests and the HIV virus theory. However, personally, I was presented with a new problem, after gut-wrenching agony, I knew in my heart that the HIV theory was bogus, but the meds were helping to keep me alive. Torn between the standard viewpoint and the rethinkers viewpoint, I decided that I had to chart my own coarse and go with the rethinkers. To this day, I do not believe that a harmless, passenger retrovirus can cause AIDS, as does the founder of this disease too states that other co-factors must be present. What are these co-factors? The sad thing is that very little research is being done to determine exactly what they are; is it life styles issues, drugs, other viruses? As I have always stated, in some severe cases, the meds may be helpful, as they are strong enough to kill whatever is attaching one's body. Nevertheless, it is unfair for HIV+s to be labeled with a sexually transmitted disease and an incurable disease, which affects one mentally in the most negative way. In time, the truth about this disease will come out. As stated by others, one can do many things to stay healthy and live a productive life and wait until the real cause/causes of AIDS is revealed. cures for AIDS , " NS " <calmlotusflower@...> wrote: > > I wasn't very clear on a few things so I'll clear one of them up as I only have a short moment. > > I recognise there are non-fungal diseases in the AIDS defining list. Things like tuberculosis. As so many diseases, including the common cold, are " AIDS " if a person has HIV+ status, particularly if they have trouble recovering. > > When I say AIDS is fungal, I am talking about the wasting, the slew of diseases that can hit and then eventual death. These are fungal. The eventual picture is one of serious fungal condition in many organs. > > This is caused by medication. And not just HIV medication, that's where I differ from almost everyone on this path, even the alternative thinkers. The initial disease may or may not be caused by meds, although, in the western culture it most likely is. The initial disease, the first one, if it is a cold or flu, it may just be no more than that but the drugs that come next, to treat the HIV, start the cascade. > > Some hypotheticals: > > Miss A contracts tuberculosis. It is a rare disease so a barrage of tests are ordered, and questions about her sexual past, drug use, etc are asked. HIV test comes back negative. She is treated for tuberculosis but is not given any HIV medications, for obvious reasons. As she will be given antibiotics and so on, her body's health will be further seriously compromised but the meds are not continual and her body will eventually heal. > > Mr B contracts tuberculosis. The test comes back HIV positive. He is diagnosed with AIDS and treated with heavy duty HIV medications that have no break or pause and his body has no chance to rebound back to health. Most of the bacteria has been slain in his body with antibiotics, corticosteroids, HAART and many other drugs. He has become fungal, and many other diseases start to plague him. > > Miss C goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. She is HIV positive. She is immediately put onto " preventative " HIV meds and after a few years is totally fungal: has PCP, cryptoccocosis, and systemic candidiasis. > > Mr D goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. He is HIV positive. His doctor hounds him about meds but he says he'll take a look and see approach. He gets the flu 4 years later, gets scared, takes meds for HIV, body breaks down. > > Miss E is diagnosed HIV positive. Refuses meds like Mr D but keeps refusing them, even when sick with flu and even one time when she is laid out with PCP. She struggles with her health because although she refuses HIV meds, she DOES take other meds, and her body suffers like so many these days. But she is alive, 10 years after diagnosis. > > Mr F is like Miss E, only he is a raw vegan and takes care of his body and always has. He has an HIV+ diagnosis and is still alive and well 20 years after diagnosis. > > > Most people fit into one of those hypotheticals, although there are overlaps. > > I hope that makes the fungal picture more clear. It doesn't always start out fungal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 28, 2009 I am just finishing off some interesting research on Cellar Oxygenation with I came across this very interested article were in the glories of a REBOUNDER was given added strength. 　 http://www.promolifenews.com/the-immune-system-the-war-over-disease/ Other than feeding the immune system, stimulating the lymphatic system is essential. One of the best methods of keeping the lymph fluid moving up the body is by bouncing on a Rebounder. The non-impact vertical bounce of the Rebounder can flush the lymphatic system, plus triple the white blood cell count after only a two minute workout. The cells go through a mild squeezing at the bottom of the bounce which helps pull toxins from them. The top of the bounce causes the valves, which keeps the lymph fluid from flowing backward, to open wide resulting in a gush of lymph fluid. The changing pressure created with the Rebounder gives the entire lymphatic system a huge boost in fighting toxins, invaders and damaged cells for about an hour. For purposes of the lymphatic system more benefit is gained by bouncing several times a day for two minutes each than bouncing once for a half hour. http://www.promolifenews.com/strengthen-the-lymphatic-system-to-increase-longevi\ ty/ Its look like I am going to have buy on of these sooner than later. I wonder which is best one for the Job. cures for AIDS From: noreenelaine@... Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:01:46 +0000 Subject: Re: Hello I find this post very interesting and of a very intelligent manner. Yes, AIDS, in itself is troubling. First, if we accept that it even exists at all. After all, it was created due to 30 old diseases and given a new name. However, for the sake of this conversation, let's agree that it does exist. Maybe, there are many roads that lead to AIDS. For example months prior to my diagnosis of full-blown AIDS, I was very happy and healthy. Although, I did have a life-time of various health problems. Within a very short time of several months, I was extremely sick and dying and after many visits to over ten doctors, they knew not why. Nevertheless, all of the diseases that I did have were old disease. I feel that for whatever reasons, I tested positives for various things, ex. Epstein Barr, Hepatitis, etc. and all at the same time. My body could not handle the overload. After two very painful bone biopsies, severe immune depression was revealed, no big surprise. When no new cancers were revealed, and exhuasting all other options, an HIV test was ordered, which was positive. Although, I didn't fit the classic category for this disease, I was relieved to finally get a diagnosis. Now, maybe some prognosis could be made. Later, after extensive research, I learned more about AIDS and the un-realabilty of the tests and the HIV virus theory. However, personally, I was presented with a new problem, after gut-wrenching agony, I knew in my heart that the HIV theory was bogus, but the meds were helping to keep me alive. Torn between the standard viewpoint and the rethinkers viewpoint, I decided that I had to chart my own coarse and go with the rethinkers. To this day, I do not believe that a harmless, passenger retrovirus can cause AIDS, as does the founder of this disease too states that other co-factors must be present. What are these co-factors? The sad thing is that very little research is being done to determine exactly what they are; is it life styles issues, drugs, other viruses? As I have always stated, in some severe cases, the meds may be helpful, as they are strong enough to kill whatever is attaching one's body. Nevertheless, it is unfair for HIV+s to be labeled with a sexually transmitted disease and an incurable disease, which affects one mentally in the most negative way. In time, the truth about this disease will come out. As stated by others, one can do many things to stay healthy and live a productive life and wait until the real cause/causes of AIDS is revealed. cures for AIDS , " NS " <calmlotusflower@...> wrote: > > I wasn't very clear on a few things so I'll clear one of them up as I only have a short moment. > > I recognise there are non-fungal diseases in the AIDS defining list. Things like tuberculosis. As so many diseases, including the common cold, are " AIDS " if a person has HIV+ status, particularly if they have trouble recovering. > > When I say AIDS is fungal, I am talking about the wasting, the slew of diseases that can hit and then eventual death. These are fungal. The eventual picture is one of serious fungal condition in many organs. > > This is caused by medication. And not just HIV medication, that's where I differ from almost everyone on this path, even the alternative thinkers. The initial disease may or may not be caused by meds, although, in the western culture it most likely is. The initial disease, the first one, if it is a cold or flu, it may just be no more than that but the drugs that come next, to treat the HIV, start the cascade. > > Some hypotheticals: > > Miss A contracts tuberculosis. It is a rare disease so a barrage of tests are ordered, and questions about her sexual past, drug use, etc are asked. HIV test comes back negative. She is treated for tuberculosis but is not given any HIV medications, for obvious reasons. As she will be given antibiotics and so on, her body's health will be further seriously compromised but the meds are not continual and her body will eventually heal. > > Mr B contracts tuberculosis. The test comes back HIV positive. He is diagnosed with AIDS and treated with heavy duty HIV medications that have no break or pause and his body has no chance to rebound back to health. Most of the bacteria has been slain in his body with antibiotics, corticosteroids, HAART and many other drugs. He has become fungal, and many other diseases start to plague him. > > Miss C goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. She is HIV positive. She is immediately put onto " preventative " HIV meds and after a few years is totally fungal: has PCP, cryptoccocosis, and systemic candidiasis. > > Mr D goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. He is HIV positive. His doctor hounds him about meds but he says he'll take a look and see approach. He gets the flu 4 years later, gets scared, takes meds for HIV, body breaks down. > > Miss E is diagnosed HIV positive. Refuses meds like Mr D but keeps refusing them, even when sick with flu and even one time when she is laid out with PCP. She struggles with her health because although she refuses HIV meds, she DOES take other meds, and her body suffers like so many these days. But she is alive, 10 years after diagnosis. > > Mr F is like Miss E, only he is a raw vegan and takes care of his body and always has. He has an HIV+ diagnosis and is still alive and well 20 years after diagnosis. > > > Most people fit into one of those hypotheticals, although there are overlaps. > > I hope that makes the fungal picture more clear. It doesn't always start out fungal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 28, 2009 Well that's the first time I've heard the term " glories of a rebounder, " but I think it's a good one. Get your from me and you'll get the best one at the lowest legitimate price with a total moneyback guarantee and you'll know your money is going to support the war on medical fraud. Ed www.myspace.com/sobehealthy Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 28, 2009 Well that's the first time I've heard the term " glories of a rebounder, " but I think it's a good one. Get your from me and you'll get the best one at the lowest legitimate price with a total moneyback guarantee and you'll know your money is going to support the war on medical fraud. Ed www.myspace.com/sobehealthy Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Hey I am in the UK so it might be abit high on posting. But I will want one for myself and for a HIV/AIDS retreat center I am developing in West Africa. cures for AIDS From: aidsisover@... Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:31:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Hello Well that's the first time I've heard the term " glories of a rebounder, " but I think it's a good one. Get your from me and you'll get the best one at the lowest legitimate price with a total moneyback guarantee and you'll know your money is going to support the war on medical fraud. Ed www.myspace.com/sobehealthy Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Hey I am in the UK so it might be abit high on posting. But I will want one for myself and for a HIV/AIDS retreat center I am developing in West Africa. cures for AIDS From: aidsisover@... Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:31:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Hello Well that's the first time I've heard the term " glories of a rebounder, " but I think it's a good one. Get your from me and you'll get the best one at the lowest legitimate price with a total moneyback guarantee and you'll know your money is going to support the war on medical fraud. Ed www.myspace.com/sobehealthy Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 29, 2009 You can get a needak rebounder from http://www.ukrebounders.com/16751.html in the UK, these are considered the best by Dr stephen west, here is his website http://lymphasizers.zerodisease.com/ they also teach lymphology as a course, apparently his father samuel c west discovered the link between lymph and disease decades ago,as to whether bouncing to move the lymph has any healing effects I suppose it is down to the individual to find out.  ________________________________ From: asm online <asmonline@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Sun, 29 November, 2009 17:58:43 Subject: RE: Re: Hello  Hey I am in the UK so it might be abit high on posting. But I will want one for myself and for a HIV/AIDS retreat center I am developing in West Africa. cures for AIDS@grou ps.com From: aidsisoveraol (DOT) com Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:31:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Hello Well that's the first time I've heard the term " glories of a rebounder, " but I think it's a good one. Get your from me and you'll get the best one at the lowest legitimate price with a total moneyback guarantee and you'll know your money is going to support the war on medical fraud. Ed www.myspace. com/sobehealthy Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 29, 2009 You can get a needak rebounder from http://www.ukrebounders.com/16751.html in the UK, these are considered the best by Dr stephen west, here is his website http://lymphasizers.zerodisease.com/ they also teach lymphology as a course, apparently his father samuel c west discovered the link between lymph and disease decades ago,as to whether bouncing to move the lymph has any healing effects I suppose it is down to the individual to find out.  ________________________________ From: asm online <asmonline@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Sun, 29 November, 2009 17:58:43 Subject: RE: Re: Hello  Hey I am in the UK so it might be abit high on posting. But I will want one for myself and for a HIV/AIDS retreat center I am developing in West Africa. cures for AIDS@grou ps.com From: aidsisoveraol (DOT) com Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:31:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: Hello Well that's the first time I've heard the term " glories of a rebounder, " but I think it's a good one. Get your from me and you'll get the best one at the lowest legitimate price with a total moneyback guarantee and you'll know your money is going to support the war on medical fraud. Ed www.myspace. com/sobehealthy Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Yeah. The shipping could run as much as the rebounder itself, or more. Best bet is to have someone traveling from the US to hand carry one or ship it as baggage. The folding Needak Softbounce that I sell comes folded and in a carrying case. It can go in the overhead on an airplane. Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 29, 2009 Yeah. The shipping could run as much as the rebounder itself, or more. Best bet is to have someone traveling from the US to hand carry one or ship it as baggage. The folding Needak Softbounce that I sell comes folded and in a carrying case. It can go in the overhead on an airplane. Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 30, 2009 You how our little discussion got you some business Ed just kidding. I'm glad people are investing on these. They are indeed very good for you. The one I have has a large handle. Can you tell us more about your workout program ed > > I wasn't very clear on a few things so I'll clear one of them up as I only have a short moment. > > I recognise there are non-fungal diseases in the AIDS defining list. Things like tuberculosis. As so many diseases, including the common cold, are " AIDS " if a person has HIV+ status, particularly if they have trouble recovering. > > When I say AIDS is fungal, I am talking about the wasting, the slew of diseases that can hit and then eventual death. These are fungal. The eventual picture is one of serious fungal condition in many organs. > > This is caused by medication. And not just HIV medication, that's where I differ from almost everyone on this path, even the alternative thinkers. The initial disease may or may not be caused by meds, although, in the western culture it most likely is. The initial disease, the first one, if it is a cold or flu, it may just be no more than that but the drugs that come next, to treat the HIV, start the cascade. > > Some hypotheticals: > > Miss A contracts tuberculosis. It is a rare disease so a barrage of tests are ordered, and questions about her sexual past, drug use, etc are asked. HIV test comes back negative. She is treated for tuberculosis but is not given any HIV medications, for obvious reasons. As she will be given antibiotics and so on, her body's health will be further seriously compromised but the meds are not continual and her body will eventually heal. > > Mr B contracts tuberculosis. The test comes back HIV positive. He is diagnosed with AIDS and treated with heavy duty HIV medications that have no break or pause and his body has no chance to rebound back to health. Most of the bacteria has been slain in his body with antibiotics, corticosteroids, HAART and many other drugs. He has become fungal, and many other diseases start to plague him. > > Miss C goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. She is HIV positive. She is immediately put onto " preventative " HIV meds and after a few years is totally fungal: has PCP, cryptoccocosis, and systemic candidiasis. > > Mr D goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. He is HIV positive. His doctor hounds him about meds but he says he'll take a look and see approach. He gets the flu 4 years later, gets scared, takes meds for HIV, body breaks down. > > Miss E is diagnosed HIV positive. Refuses meds like Mr D but keeps refusing them, even when sick with flu and even one time when she is laid out with PCP. She struggles with her health because although she refuses HIV meds, she DOES take other meds, and her body suffers like so many these days. But she is alive, 10 years after diagnosis. > > Mr F is like Miss E, only he is a raw vegan and takes care of his body and always has. He has an HIV+ diagnosis and is still alive and well 20 years after diagnosis. > > > Most people fit into one of those hypotheticals, although there are overlaps. > > I hope that makes the fungal picture more clear. It doesn't always start out fungal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 30, 2009 You how our little discussion got you some business Ed just kidding. I'm glad people are investing on these. They are indeed very good for you. The one I have has a large handle. Can you tell us more about your workout program ed > > I wasn't very clear on a few things so I'll clear one of them up as I only have a short moment. > > I recognise there are non-fungal diseases in the AIDS defining list. Things like tuberculosis. As so many diseases, including the common cold, are " AIDS " if a person has HIV+ status, particularly if they have trouble recovering. > > When I say AIDS is fungal, I am talking about the wasting, the slew of diseases that can hit and then eventual death. These are fungal. The eventual picture is one of serious fungal condition in many organs. > > This is caused by medication. And not just HIV medication, that's where I differ from almost everyone on this path, even the alternative thinkers. The initial disease may or may not be caused by meds, although, in the western culture it most likely is. The initial disease, the first one, if it is a cold or flu, it may just be no more than that but the drugs that come next, to treat the HIV, start the cascade. > > Some hypotheticals: > > Miss A contracts tuberculosis. It is a rare disease so a barrage of tests are ordered, and questions about her sexual past, drug use, etc are asked. HIV test comes back negative. She is treated for tuberculosis but is not given any HIV medications, for obvious reasons. As she will be given antibiotics and so on, her body's health will be further seriously compromised but the meds are not continual and her body will eventually heal. > > Mr B contracts tuberculosis. The test comes back HIV positive. He is diagnosed with AIDS and treated with heavy duty HIV medications that have no break or pause and his body has no chance to rebound back to health. Most of the bacteria has been slain in his body with antibiotics, corticosteroids, HAART and many other drugs. He has become fungal, and many other diseases start to plague him. > > Miss C goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. She is HIV positive. She is immediately put onto " preventative " HIV meds and after a few years is totally fungal: has PCP, cryptoccocosis, and systemic candidiasis. > > Mr D goes for an HIV test after " unsafe " sex. He is HIV positive. His doctor hounds him about meds but he says he'll take a look and see approach. He gets the flu 4 years later, gets scared, takes meds for HIV, body breaks down. > > Miss E is diagnosed HIV positive. Refuses meds like Mr D but keeps refusing them, even when sick with flu and even one time when she is laid out with PCP. She struggles with her health because although she refuses HIV meds, she DOES take other meds, and her body suffers like so many these days. But she is alive, 10 years after diagnosis. > > Mr F is like Miss E, only he is a raw vegan and takes care of his body and always has. He has an HIV+ diagnosis and is still alive and well 20 years after diagnosis. > > > Most people fit into one of those hypotheticals, although there are overlaps. > > I hope that makes the fungal picture more clear. It doesn't always start out fungal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 30, 2009 As long as you believe the HIV myth, it will infect and affect you. ----Original Message----- From: nonyobiznazz@... <nonyobiznazz@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:36 pm Subject: Re: Hello Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted November 30, 2009 As long as you believe the HIV myth, it will infect and affect you. ----Original Message----- From: nonyobiznazz@... <nonyobiznazz@...> cures for AIDS Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:36 pm Subject: Re: Hello Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I agree with you 100%. I had the same symptoms. Although many of us can't seem to level on what HIV/AIDS is I refuse to believe that it doesn't exist. I go visit AIDS patients all the time and make clothing donations to them. To me it's very real. They're not sick and dying because they want to. But hey, to each their own. I'm glad to see you on this group.  From: nonyobiznazz@... <nonyobiznazz@...> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM  Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2009 I agree with you 100%. I had the same symptoms. Although many of us can't seem to level on what HIV/AIDS is I refuse to believe that it doesn't exist. I go visit AIDS patients all the time and make clothing donations to them. To me it's very real. They're not sick and dying because they want to. But hey, to each their own. I'm glad to see you on this group.  From: nonyobiznazz@... <nonyobiznazz@...> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM  Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either...I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2009 If you read Dr. 's research, she found that HIV does not exist in healthy, clean bodies. From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM  Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either....I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 1, 2009 If you read Dr. 's research, she found that HIV does not exist in healthy, clean bodies. From: nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com <nonyobiznazz@ ymail.com> Subject: Re: Hello cures for AIDS@grou ps.com Date: Thursday, November 26, 2009, 5:36 PM  Hello, I am new to the group. I love how this guy (calmlotusflower) explains things. It just seems to make so much sense. As a person who is also HIV+, I can attest to the fact that this HIV thing or whatever you wanna call it, is REAL. Since being diagnosed a few years ago, I have definitely noticed some drastic changes in my health and I have decided not to take HIV meds at this time. I have spoken to people that say that the drugs either saved their life or that the drugs don't effect them at all. I have heard others say that the drugs have aweful side effects. I also hear that the newer drugs are alot better than they used to be. There's all kinds of stories out there. One has to make up his/her own mind for him/herself. Yes, I am a gay male and something is definitely making us sick and it is definitely related to sex. I came down with the high fever, chills, and nightsweats along with swollen glands (glands still swollen years later). A few months later, I tested positive. Something is definitely causing illness, whether you believe in HIV or not. I look forward to reading more posts and voicing my opinion on this forum as well. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Flo <champanelady@ ...> > > > > Subject: Hello > > > > cures for AIDS@grou ps.com > > > > Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 12:52 PM > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been following alot of the topic's posted here and i am very interested in getting involved..I am moving into my 7th year of being positive..My numbers are good. I am not any meds and I don't want to be either....I supplement with several different herbs and vitmans.and try my best to live and heathly life style.No drugs, no alcohol. My Mom says I take to many supplements. I don't agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
