Guest guest Posted October 31, 1999 Report Share Posted October 31, 1999 ken I also had a 20 year interval between episodes of CFS. the first one took care of it self but the second one seems like it is here to stay. LOL Steve New member Intro From: " Lassesen " <KenL@...> Hi, my name is Ken Lassesen, and I have had my 2nd round with CFS start with sudden onset about 8 months ago. My first round was 23 years ago while in university -- a relatively minor case [but bad enough to cause a student starting university doing triple-honors (Math, Chemistry, Physics) to almost flunk out of math courses designed for education students after the CFS]. My academic training is heavily in modelling and statistics (including medical statistical analysis - my topic for my Master of Science was in this area) - yes, after recoverying I went on to post-graduate work. As an interesting random note: both cases were preceeded by significant stress, followed by a 'warning stress cough', before the onset. For this round, I had been making 'amazing recovery' -- I suspect because (of the prior bout) I ended up doing the " right things " from the start -- no attempt to work, total de-stress [wife had never seen me unplugged so much before], listen to my body requests for a change of diet (all subsequently found to be very appropriate). Plus, a very firm self-discipline (result of overcoming a childhood handicap). I've been reading intensely all available professional research/papers (because of involvement in a special enrichment program as a high school student -- I've been reading profession medical articles since 14 years). I am currently in major remission of the fatigue symptoms ... as a result of taking one 325mg aspirin with each meal and at bedtime (to which I have subsequently added 16oz of Concord Grape Juice, Vitamin E) to see if this non-prescription blood thinner would have any affect [i do risk analysis before each choice... and decided that 72 hrs of aspirin had ~ 0% of downside risk and perhaps 5% chance of improvement]. For me, in my current state -- it did. The change happened in < 48 hours -- from < 30% of normal to > 80% of normal. At my next MD appointment, I will be pressing for the ISAC panel from Hemex as well as starting the 36 weeks of antibiotics described at http://www.haciendapub.com/article24.html. If the remission persists, I will likely be returning to work for the 'Evil Empire'(Microsoft) by Christmas. I maintain a website at http://www.folkarts.com/idef/. My goal of the site is try summarizing the best results into a simpler form for " brain-fogged " PWCs with links to the professional articles for their MDs. Oh, by the way... I have 2 FOUR FOOTED PWCs ... that is Pembroke Welsh Corgis, they have their own website http://corgi.folkarts.com/ Ken This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 1999 Report Share Posted October 31, 1999 >From: " Lassesen " <KenL@...> > >Hi, my name is Ken Lassesen, and I have had my 2nd round with CFS start with >sudden onset about 8 months ago. My first round was 23 years ago while in >university -- a relatively minor case [but bad enough to cause a student >starting university doing triple-honors (Math, Chemistry, Physics) to almost >flunk out of math courses designed for education students after the CFS]. Dear Ken, Welcome to our list and thank you for your intro! Also thanks for all your info on your progress. I know what you mean about the brain decline - I couldn't keep up with a course at the college I taught at because of the illness! It sounds like you have a handle on your CFS and will look foward to your posts. Take care, Christie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2000 Report Share Posted March 27, 2000 Hi , Welcome aboard! We are always happy to have new folks in here. So glad you found us. You won't find a better group of people than right here. ~Laury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2000 Report Share Posted August 31, 2000 Why don't you think you can use the religious exemption? Here's the PA code, Pennsylvania Vaccination Exemption Code -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Commonwealth of Pennsylvania State Statute for Exemption for immunization. 23.84 (a) Medical exemption. Children need not be immunized if a physician or his designee provides a written statement that immunization may be detrimental to the health of the child. When the physician determines that immunization is no longer detrimental to the health of the child, the child shall be immunized according to this subchapter. ( Religious exemption. Children need not be immunized if the parent, guardian or emancipated child objects in writing to the immunization on religious grounds or on the basis of a strong moral or ethical conviction similar to a religious belief. I have four children and stopped vaccinating last Sept. My oldest is 16, my youngest, Noah, 18 months. I used the religious exemption (Jax FL) when I recently enrolled my 5 yr old in Kindergarten w/out his " required " boosters. >From: " Terry & Tamara Demers " <tntdemer@...> >Reply-Vaccinationsegroups ><Vaccinationsegroups> >Subject: New Member Intro >Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 17:58:07 -0700 > >Hello All! > >My name is Tammy and I have a 10 month old ds named Noah Keegan. I know >(Ziggy) from a new mothers board and she urged me to join. My dh and >I have been struggling with the decision of whether or not to vax Noah. We >both feel deep down that Noah should probably not get the rest of his vax. >He has been sick off and on since he was 2 months old. He got RSV when he >was 2 months (right after vax) We feel that he may have been vulnerable >due to decreased immune function from the vax. He had RSV again at 5 >months and was sick with resp infection in between several times. Then >again around 6 months, then 8 1/2 months and now again at 10 1/2 months. >This time though, it is not nearly as bad and I attribute this to our new >doc ( a naturopath) and the herbs, vitamins, flax seed oil, removal of >dairy and also acidophilous/bifidus to replace all the lost " good bacteria " >from all the antibiotics (stupid, stupid me!) We are also doing >hydroptherapy with him 3-4 times per day to combat the chest congestion and >it seems to work beautifully! > >So because of his near constant illnesses and the fact that dh and some of >his cousins at some point in there lives had some form of epilepsy AND he >had a really bad crying fit (high pitched, couldn't get him to stop) after >his last vax, we think it is in his best interest not to vax. But b/c in >my state, PA, ND's are not able to get licensed, i'm not sure how i will >ever get a medical exemption and i know we couldnt get a religious >exemption. there are so many obstacles to get over and i am not sure where >to start. > >oh, well i guess i have done enough rambling...i just hope that i can find >the info and support here that we will need to finalize our decision. > >thanks so much > >Tammy (25) and Noah (10/14/99) _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2000 Report Share Posted October 5, 2000 WELCOME DIANE! For abs, I do a regimin of ' techniques. I do 3 sets of 12 of regular crunches with my feet on the wall and then 2 sets, each side, of side crunches. I alternate with decline sit-ups and cable crunches. The slow technique of the crunches really does the trick. Along with cardio 4 times a week, I have achieved a six pack. Pretty neat for a girl! Thanks for the idea about the signature on my shirt. I don't think it would be too bad to put a clear iron-on patch on it. I will take it somewhere to get some more options though. Until then it will be enshrined in my bedroom on the top of my bureau. =) - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 Thanks, I'll have to try that. Diane wrote: > For abs, I do a regimin of ' techniques. I do 3 sets of 12 of regular crunches with my feet on the wall and then 2 sets, each side, of side crunches. I alternate with decline sit-ups and cable crunches. The slow technique of the crunches really does the trick. Along with cardio 4 times a week, I have achieved a six pack. Pretty neat for a girl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 Thanks, I'll have to try that. Diane wrote: > For abs, I do a regimin of ' techniques. I do 3 sets of 12 of regular crunches with my feet on the wall and then 2 sets, each side, of side crunches. I alternate with decline sit-ups and cable crunches. The slow technique of the crunches really does the trick. Along with cardio 4 times a week, I have achieved a six pack. Pretty neat for a girl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2001 Report Share Posted January 10, 2001 Jan: Welcome to the list. There are several members of the list who are from California and who can probably direct you to specific resources in your state. UCLA is one such. My 12 yo son has OCD and other alphabet soup, diagnosed when he was 9. Please tell us a bit more about your situation -- specific Os and Cs, meds, what you've tried in the past, etc. What do you do at UC Santa Cruz? (I only noticed because I also work at a university -- Cleveland State.) Jule Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2001 Report Share Posted January 11, 2001 Hello Jan and welcome to the list. You are right, if the former therapist did not do CBT with E & RP for OCD, it's not surprising that your son did not get better as a result of this counseling. Wasting time, money and effort on the wrong therapies is unfortunately a common experience. Does the new therapist plan to use E & RP? The wisdom on this list is that E & RP should begin within five visits, or it's time to cut your losses and search for another provider. What sort of resources are you looking for? Many of us have shared the frustrated and helpless feelings of untreated OCD in our kids. But your son has every chance of a significant recovery once he receives the proper therapy. Kathy R in Indiana ----- Original Message ----- From: <jaburrou@...> > Hello...just signed up for this list and I thought I'd introduce myself > briefly. My name is Jan and have an 11 year old son with OCD, we just > recently started with a new therapist that I hope will help us. We saw > a therapist for a few months last spring and he did not help much at > all, but also didn't seem to follow the course of therapy that is > recommended for OCD. I'm very frustrated and feeling quite helpless at > this point, any recommendations as far as good resources would be > appreciated. Thanks...Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 In a message dated 10/18/2001 6:30:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, folkymom@... writes: > If our decision " gets out " to the > family, THEN we can talk about having pressure (would love to hear > some of your responses to freaking-out parents and family members who > think you're nuts), but my plan at this point is to just avoid the > topic. > There really isn't any way that the family would find out unless you tell them. My side of the family knows because my Mom was very concerned about them, she knows quite a few people with autistic children who's parents say that it is from vaccines, so I told her. My grandmother sees a chiropractor who told her that they were essentially garbage, she was concerned, so I told her. My husband's side of the family would probably freak out, so they don't know. It seems like only people who know about the harm that vaccines cause will ask about them. Sara Colin's Ap Mama A baby will only spoil if you leave it on the shelf. Come see us at <A HREF= " http://www.sos.state.mi.us/election/elecadmin/2000web/index.html " > </A>h<A HREF= " http://members.tripod.com/colinsapmama/ " >ttp://members.tripod.com/colinsap\ mama/</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2001 Report Share Posted October 26, 2001 Welcome again! > >We looked into a charming little daycare center near us. When they heard that our son was not immunized, they went ballistic! We were not prepared at all for it. We had already gone to the county to get a perfectly legitimate religious exemption (one of only 2 options in Florida) and weren't hassled at all. But the daycare center was spooky because they started to see n as being a germ-bag! They were so illogical! First of all, if they're immunized and believe it works, that means they shouldn't be so paranoid about having an unimmunized person nearby. Second of all, the Director actually said, " It's one thing if he has a MEDICAL exemption, but we just can't tolerate a RELIGIOUS one. " Like THAT makes a lot of sense. As if a MEDICALLY exempted kid is less of a disease threat! Surely it is illegal to pick and choose amongst exemptions. People are so bizarre. No critical thinking skills anymore - 'educated' out of them. Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2002 Report Share Posted April 3, 2002 Hi and welcome, I, too, am a but go by or Jen. I can understand your desire to lose weight. Thats what we are all here for. once again welcome aboard!! --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2002 Report Share Posted June 28, 2002 http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html New Member Intro Hi, My name is and I am mommie to an adorable 3 month old son. I have joined this group in the hopes you guys can help me out. My son has had his two month shots and he came thru like a champ. The shots didn't seem to effect him at all. don't think he even ran a fever afterwards. Only thing is, I have since discovered a few vaccine websites and what I'm reading is scaring me to death. I feel like it is really best to vacinate, but now I have all these doubts and questions. When I tried to bring up some of what I read on the vaccine websites to my pediatrician he seemed a little annoyed and wouldn't discus it much. Don't know whether I should stop the shots or not, but sure do wish it was possible to find a doctor who would talk to me about it. So any way here I am, soon it will be time for my baby's 4 month shots and I'm trying to sort all this vaccine stuff out. Thanks for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2002 Report Share Posted June 29, 2002 You have to realise that vaccines are the holy grail of peds as Shaw put so well: " As well consult a butcher on the value of vegetarianism as a doctor on the worth of vaccination. " --- Bernard Shaw A " ped " is an ALLOPATH which is drug using medical doctor. Not all medical doctors are allopaths, there are plenty who use nutrients, naturopathy etc and who advise against vaccination. To question one of his medicines is questioning his whole belief structure, as well as his knowledge etc, so don't expect much from that direction. he might humour you if he thinks you will end up vaccinating but expect a row if you start giving him grief about vaccines--my wife had one and they agreed to differ in the end, but some will strike you off their lists. It only takes the reading of one vaccine book, or article, to know more than a ped about vaccine safety & effectiveness, by the way. I found two naturopaths (more natural hygienists which is pure naturopathy) and a homeopath to get me over the allopath brainwashing, when I was in your situation, but now having done years of reasearch I would no more vaccinate my kids than drop them off a high building in the hope they will bounce. When you get medical doctors turning against vaccines http://www.whale.to/vaccine/articles4.html I have to ask why parents still want to. john New Member Intro Hi, My name is and I am mommie to an adorable 3 month old son. I have joined this group in the hopes you guys can help me out. My son has had his two month shots and he came thru like a champ. The shots didn't seem to effect him at all. don't think he even ran a fever afterwards. Only thing is, I have since discovered a few vaccine websites and what I'm reading is scaring me to death. I feel like it is really best to vacinate, but now I have all these doubts and questions. When I tried to bring up some of what I read on the vaccine websites to my pediatrician he seemed a little annoyed and wouldn't discus it much. Don't know whether I should stop the shots or not, but sure do wish it was possible to find a doctor who would talk to me about it. So any way here I am, soon it will be time for my baby's 4 month shots and I'm trying to sort all this vaccine stuff out. Thanks for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 Search our archives...research research research. You should be scared by what you have found. Your child's health is YOUR responsiblity, no one else's. YOUR FAMILY will have to live with whatever decision you make. He has been effected by the shot...his immune system has been compromised. Remember, what you have put in him cannot be taken out. The side effects may be negated with homeopathy. I have lost all my favorite sites and links(on my pc) dealing with vaxxes but I will add my dh is a family doc and he is opposed to them. We have made the acquaintance of a DO who said " they can be scary " . Shop around for another practioner who respects your right to question and be informed. You are paying them for their services. I have 5 children and 4 are in school(3 different ones) and we haven't had any problems with exempting but if we do, I am ready for them to BRING IT ON!!! Laurie>Oh Laurie>Oh New Member Intro Hi, My name is and I am mommie to an adorable 3 month old son. I have joined this group in the hopes you guys can help me out. My son has had his two month shots and he came thru like a champ. The shots didn't seem to effect him at all. don't think he even ran a fever afterwards. Only thing is, I have since discovered a few vaccine websites and what I'm reading is scaring me to death. I feel like it is really best to vacinate, but now I have all these doubts and questions. When I tried to bring up some of what I read on the vaccine websites to my pediatrician he seemed a little annoyed and wouldn't discus it much. Don't know whether I should stop the shots or not, but sure do wish it was possible to find a doctor who would talk to me about it. So any way here I am, soon it will be time for my baby's 4 month shots and I'm trying to sort all this vaccine stuff out. Thanks for listening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 > -----Original Message----- > From: mos9@... [mailto:mos9@...] > Hi, > > My name is and I am mommie to an adorable 3 month old > son. I have > joined this group in the hopes you guys can help me out. > My son has had his > two month shots and he came thru like a champ. The shots > didn't seem to > effect him at all. don't think he even ran a fever > afterwards. Dear , A lack of fever is not necessarily a good thing. Also, to say at this point that the shots didn't have any effect is like planting a seed in the ground and then coming back the next day and saying, after you couldn't find any growth above ground, " I guess the seed was no good. " It doesn't work like that. That kind of judgment is very superficial. Actions have consequences. They may be minor. They may not. Lots of things go on that you can't see. Poison was sowed into the child's tissues. I wouldn't take it for granted they have all been eliminated. Good diet (not the kind recommended by the medical establishment) and good hygiene is the way to grow a healthy child. Put a little poison on your new garden and see how it does. The point is, it doesn't (or if it does, it does it with less than it would have). You grow healthy plants, animals, and human beings with good nutrition and cleanliness, not poison. Disease (and germs) is/are nothing to be afraid of when you are healthy (unless you do something stupid [i'm not calling you stupid] like unnaturally inject them directly into the blood stream). God bless, your friend, Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2002 Report Share Posted July 4, 2002 Hi , Welcome! You sound so much like I did when I first started researching vaccinations. I read about the dangers of vaccinations from so many sources (some that I trusted very much - like Mothering Magazine), but just couldn't believe that something that was so accepted and recommended by society at large could really be that bad. The more research I did, the more disillusioned I became. It's a hard thing to find out that the medical system that is supposed to take care of us could go so wrong. Congratulations on finding this group! This, plus research on your own will help you come to your own decision. It's a big and scary step to take charge of your own and your family's well being and health - but it's something that we as parents must do. I'm glad you thought to do some research on the subject of vaccinations. I wish I could say it will be an easy road for you, but it probably won't be. There isn't much support for a self-educated parent in the world of vaccines. My Dr. and I have parted company over this issue. If I had to offer you one piece of advice as you start out on the path of taking charge of your family's health, it would be to consider this, do your research and be sure of your decision before you take your son in for his second set of shots. The shots can always be given, but they can never be reversed. Go on to to the Center for Disease Control's website to get the statistics on your son's chances of contracting the diseases that vaccines address for his age and your area. When I did this for my son, I felt much better about waiting until I was better informed. In all the research I've done, I've always hoped that I will find credible evidence that vaccines are safe and really are effective. I'm sad to say that in all the books I've read and research I've done, all I've found is more evidence to the contrary. Our children are so precious and so dependent on us to make the right decision. At the end of the day, it's our families that have to live with the decisions our Dr's make on our behalf. The crucial thing to realize is that the Dr. doesn't have the same vested interest. Take some time and look around you. Learn what a vaccine damaged child looks like, then look at your family and friends' children... you may notice some things that you hadn't noticed before. Good luck in your journey! Tonya >From: mos9@... >Reply-Vaccinations >vaccinations >Subject: New Member Intro >Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2002 18:49:15 EDT > >Hi, > >My name is and I am mommie to an adorable 3 month old son. I have >joined this group in the hopes you guys can help me out. My son has had >his >two month shots and he came thru like a champ. The shots didn't seem to >effect him at all. don't think he even ran a fever afterwards. Only thing >is, I have since discovered a few vaccine websites and what I'm reading is >scaring me to death. > >I feel like it is really best to vacinate, but now I have all these doubts >and questions. When I tried to bring up some of what I read on the vaccine >websites to my pediatrician he seemed a little annoyed and wouldn't discus >it >much. Don't know whether I should stop the shots or not, but sure do wish >it >was possible to find a doctor who would talk to me about it. > >So any way here I am, soon it will be time for my baby's 4 month shots and >I'm trying to sort all this vaccine stuff out. > >Thanks for listening. > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Hi, My name is and I am mommie to an adorable 3 month old son. I have joined this group in the hopes you guys can help me out. My son has had his two month shots and he came thru like a champ. The shots didn't seem to effect him at all. , Firstly, welcome, you have come to the right place for quality information and the benefit of experience from other parents, I congratulate you on your courage to look 'outside the circle'. I only wish I had had access to this list before I vaccinated my son. My son came through his two month shots 'like a chump' as well, or as far as i could tell at the time as a two month old baby has not achieved milestones necessary to detect any possible visible chronic illness. I would do some serious investigating before continuing with 4 month shots as many ingredients in these vaccines are toxic and cumulative. For example a child under six months does not produce bile which is required to excrete heavy metals (which are in some vaccines). This is just the tip of the iceberg. Many doctors are not 'up' on vaccine issues as they only have two lectures in medical school and are only required to listen to what they are told. You will find many in this forum have spent years dissecting the facts and have extensive medical knowledge. I wish you all the best in what will be an 'eye-opener' for you. Joanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 : I feel like it is really best to vacinate, but now I have all these doubts : and questions. When I tried to bring up some of what I read on the vaccine : websites to my pediatrician he seemed a little annoyed and wouldn't discus it : much. Don't know whether I should stop the shots or not, but sure do wish it : was possible to find a doctor who would talk to me about it. Hi , I have an 8 month old baby girl and was in EXACTLY the same position as you. We did our first two rounds of vaccines (HIB and polio) and by the time it came time for the third in the series, I had read all this stuff about vaccines, was seeing first hand what vaccines were doing to one of my dogs and it just didn't feel right to continue vaxing. So I didn't. Stopping vaccination was the BEST decision I have ever made in my life - I only wish I had done it sooner and wish that I knew then what I know now. Not a day goes by that I don't kick myself for giving 2 shots of HIB and polio. If vaxing doesn't feel right to you (and it didn't feel right to me) then don't do it. Once you give the vaccine you can't turn the clock back and undo things. My doctor was completely unsupportive of my concerns about vaccines. He's fairly holistic in his views but he completely pooh-poohed my questions. " Reactions are so rare.... vaccines are NOT linked to allergies.... it's all a bunch of hog wash... besides, don't you want your daughter to be protected against these terrible and deadly illnesses? " I vax'd out of fear. That's what it came down to. What I did not realise at the time was that in vaxing her I was 1) not guaranteeing her immunity against these " horrible illnesses " 2) that these illnesses are NOT all that common in the first place 3) I was putting my child at risk for chronic disease 4) mercury toxicity is VERY real and a serious threat to children under the age of 6 months 4) vaccines form a large part of a doctor's practice which puts him in a conflict of interest when presenting both sides of the story. My daughter didn't spike a fever during her vaccines and other than getting a little cranky she " did fine " as well. Now she's 8 months old, has never been ill a single day in her life but she's suffering from acne. Why? No idea. Not a clue. Allergy? Perhaps. Hypersensitivity due to the vaccines? Perhaps. But now I'll never know because I gave those damn vaccines. is just going to start homeopathic care for the acne and I have not been able to trace the acne to a food allergy. I will not take her to the doctor for the problem because the last thing I want to do is suppress the symptoms. She's a happy child, very content and if she is " the one " who becomes autistic because of vaxing out of fear I could never forgive myself knowing what I know now. Once you understand the real dangers of vaccines, it's like opening up a door that can never be closed again. Once you " see " the dangers you can't go back into naivety. I only wish I had seen sooner. My best advice to you is this: follow your gut. I wish I had followed mine. Mindy Tokyo, Japan 12paws@... http://www.k9rawdiet.com seniorbarf Got a senior dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Mindy Fenton s <12paws@...> wrote: : I feel like it is really best to vacinate, but now I have all these doubts : and questions. When I tried to bring up some of what I read on the vaccine : websites to my pediatrician he seemed a little annoyed and wouldn't discus it : much. Don't know whether I should stop the shots or not, but sure do wish it : was possible to find a doctor who would talk to me about it. Mindy, you can't talk get advice from someone who doesn't know. I asked over ten doctors what thimerosal was, not one could tell me, best response I got was 'probably a preservative'. And try ang get them to explain the little insert?????? You have got to be joking. I don't know who it is but someone on the list has a saying by Bernard Shaw that goes something like......discussing vaccination with a doctor is like discussing vegetarianism with a butcher........... Joanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 In a message dated 7/5/02 1:49:43 AM GTB Daylight Time, mos9@... writes: << Only thing is, I have since discovered a few vaccine websites and what I'm reading is scaring me to death. >> Hi ! I say read the vaccine inserts and check out the vaccine injury compensation program.If your child is injured by a vaccine most doctors will deny it.And even if you get as far as the courts you will still be turned down.As I mentioned in my webmd post..how can anyone possibly know if their newborn is allergic to vaccine ingredients,or has some sort of blood/seizure disorder???? Postpone and if you do vax only do one at a time. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 That email wasn't from Mindy, it was from . And you are right, Joanna Sheri > > > Mindy Fenton s <12paws@...> wrote: >: I feel like it is really best to vacinate, but now I have all these doubts >: and questions. When I tried to bring up some of what I read on the vaccine >: websites to my pediatrician he seemed a little annoyed and wouldn't discus it >: much. Don't know whether I should stop the shots or not, but sure do wish it >: was possible to find a doctor who would talk to me about it. > > >Mindy, > >you can't talk get advice from someone who doesn't know. I asked over ten doctors what thimerosal was, not one could tell me, best response I got was 'probably a preservative'. And try ang get them to explain the little insert?????? You have got to be joking. I don't know who it is but someone on the list has a saying by Bernard Shaw that goes something like......discussing vaccination with a doctor is like discussing vegetarianism with a butcher........... > >Joanna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 Hi Sheri, it was my impression that it was from Mindy in response to , my computer has automatically deleted the original post, which I snipped when I responded so I cannot verify from my sent box, but I believe it was from Mindy. Joanna Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: That email wasn't from Mindy, it was from . And you are right, Joanna Sheri > > > Mindy Fenton s <12paws@...> wrote: >: I feel like it is really best to vacinate, but now I have all these doubts >: and questions. When I tried to bring up some of what I read on the vaccine >: websites to my pediatrician he seemed a little annoyed and wouldn't discus it >: much. Don't know whether I should stop the shots or not, but sure do wish it >: was possible to find a doctor who would talk to me about it. > > >Mindy, > >you can't talk get advice from someone who doesn't know. I asked over ten doctors what thimerosal was, not one could tell me, best response I got was 'probably a preservative'. And try ang get them to explain the little insert?????? You have got to be joking. I don't know who it is but someone on the list has a saying by Bernard Shaw that goes something like......discussing vaccination with a doctor is like discussing vegetarianism with a butcher........... > >Joanna > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 : it was my impression that it was from Mindy in response to , my computer has automatically deleted the original post, which I snipped when I responded so I cannot verify from my sent box, but I believe it was from Mindy. Hi Joanna, Nope, it was . I replied to 's introduction because I was in EXACTLY the same position that she's in now so I can totally empathise. But I totally agree with EVERYTHING that you said. There's still a part of me that continues to be shocked at how little our doctors know about vaccines, their constituents and the reactions that *do* occur over time. I figure, if we can get the information so easily, why do they have to maintain such tunnel vision? Is it really all about money? Mindy Tokyo, Japan 12paws@... http://www.k9rawdiet.com seniorbarf Got a senior dog? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2002 Report Share Posted July 5, 2002 > Hi, > > My name is Hi ! Glad you've joined this group. I know you'll find lots of information to your questions here. If you have specific questions it's a good idea to post them to the group to get them answered And, as for your ped.....if he/she isn't willing to sit with you, listen to your questions, and at least make an effort to answer you without getting annoyed, then it really is time to find a more supportive doctor!!! I believe that with any type of medical procedure if the doctor isn't willing to talk with you and answer all your questions, then he/she isn't fit to receive your money. Remember...the doctor works for YOU, not the other way around My 2 cents! -OH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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