Flu shots

[Guest guest]

The only time in 20 years I got a flu shot was the only time in the last 10

years I got the flu!

caveat emptor

jim

QiGirl4U@... wrote:

> From: QiGirl4U@...

>

> Anyone have an opinion about taking flu shots? Someone told me once that it

> could aggravate fibromyalgia. I work in a health facility and am middle

> aged, and think I should probably get one working with all those old folks,

> but wonder about their safety in long run. Thanks, Marilyn

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[Guest guest]

One opinion--coming right up! I work with someone whose friend got a flu

shot last November, soon afterwards he was completely paralyzed with

Guillain-Barre Syndrome. His condition continued to worsen and in about

a month's time he slipped into a coma and is now in a nursing home. This

was a healthy man in his 40's who had had flu shots a number of times

before. His wife was told that during that time there were seven other

similar cases in Staten Island (NY) alone.

That same year, the only person in our office who went and got a flu

shot, came down with a bad case of the flu. If you think you're coming

down with a cold or flu, run to your local complementary health

practitioner and get a hydrogen peroxide IV. Nips it in the bud.

Lana

>From: QiGirl4U@...

>

>Anyone have an opinion about taking flu shots? Someone told me once

that it

>could aggravate fibromyalgia. I work in a health facility and am

middle

>aged, and think I should probably get one working with all those old

folks,

>but wonder about their safety in long run. Thanks, Marilyn

>

[Guest guest]

I live in New York City, but check out http://www.acam.org for a search

engine that lists members of ACAM worldwide. Many people have been

surprised to discover alternative MD's and DO's in the most unlikely

places!

Lana

>From: Vilik Rapheles <vilik@...>

>

>AIf you think you're coming

>>down with a cold or flu, run to your local complementary health

>>practitioner and get a hydrogen peroxide IV. Nips it in the bud.

>>~~~~~~

>Oh but would I could! Where do you live, where such things are

possible?

>

>I just got a newsletter from a local chiro. listing all the ill effects

of

>flu shots. It would seem that if you took something to boast the immune

system

>on an regular basis...and maybe colloidial silver...that would be your

best

>tactic.

>

>~^^V^^~

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AIf you think you're coming

>down with a cold or flu, run to your local complementary health

>practitioner and get a hydrogen peroxide IV. Nips it in the bud.

>~~~~~~

Oh but would I could! Where do you live, where such things are possible?

I just got a newsletter from a local chiro. listing all the ill effects of

flu shots. It would seem that if you took something to boast the immune system

on an regular basis...and maybe colloidial silver...that would be your best

tactic.

~^^V^^~

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Vilik,

There's an MD near me who does that. Check out www.oxytherapy.com for

practitioners.

jim

Vilik Rapheles wrote:

> From: Vilik Rapheles <vilik@...>

>

> AIf you think you're coming

> >down with a cold or flu, run to your local complementary health

> >practitioner and get a hydrogen peroxide IV. Nips it in the bud.

> >~~~~~~

> Oh but would I could! Where do you live, where such things are possible?

>

> I just got a newsletter from a local chiro. listing all the ill effects of

> flu shots. It would seem that if you took something to boast the immune system

> on an regular basis...and maybe colloidial silver...that would be your best

> tactic.

>

> ~^^V^^~

>

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Dear Marilyn,

Flu shots kill people, sad to say. They are better off taking their chances

without them. Give them some Homozon and that will prevent them getting the

flu, as well as keep them regular.

Best of Health!

Saul Pressman

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Flu Shots

> From: QiGirl4U@...

>

> Anyone have an opinion about taking flu shots? Someone told me once that

it

> could aggravate fibromyalgia. I work in a health facility and am middle

> aged, and think I should probably get one working with all those old

folks,

> but wonder about their safety in long run. Thanks, Marilyn

>

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other alternative self- help subjects.

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Dear Vilik,

Colloidal silver is OK externally all the time, but internal use should be

short term. There is no RDA for silver.

A better long term immune booster would be Homozon.

Best of Health!

Saul Pressman

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Re: Flu Shots

> From: Vilik Rapheles <vilik@...>

>

> AIf you think you're coming

> >down with a cold or flu, run to your local complementary health

> >practitioner and get a hydrogen peroxide IV. Nips it in the bud.

> >~~~~~~

> Oh but would I could! Where do you live, where such things are possible?

>

> I just got a newsletter from a local chiro. listing all the ill effects of

> flu shots. It would seem that if you took something to boast the immune

system

> on an regular basis...and maybe colloidial silver...that would be your

best

> tactic.

>

> ~^^V^^~

>

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self- help subjects.

>

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[Guest guest]

Saul,

Why can't I take colloidal silver internally as a daily immune booster

over the long term?

Tom

From: " Saul Pressman " <saul@...>

Dear Vilik,

Colloidal silver is OK externally all the time, but internal use should be

short term. There is no RDA for silver.

A better long term immune booster would be Homozon.

Best of Health!

Saul Pressman

Become a Certified Ozone Hyperthermic Technician:

Oct 3 London England, Oct 16 Vancouver BC, Oct 23 Dallas Texas.

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com.education.html

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for more info.

Re: Flu Shots

> From: Vilik Rapheles <vilik@...>

>

> AIf you think you're coming

> >down with a cold or flu, run to your local complementary health

> >practitioner and get a hydrogen peroxide IV. Nips it in the bud.

> >~~~~~~

> Oh but would I could! Where do you live, where such things are possible?

>

> I just got a newsletter from a local chiro. listing all the ill effects of

> flu shots. It would seem that if you took something to boast the immune

system

> on an regular basis...and maybe colloidial silver...that would be your

best

> tactic.

>

> ~^^V^^~

>

> > OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self- help subjects.

>

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Tom,

Saul said it: There is no RDA for silver. It was researched for decades, but we

don't know that any of that research was done to see what long-term effects of

silver are. Sure, it seems benign, but it is a metal, and if we ignore that,

then we are being deliberately ignorant if there is a cheaper, more available

alternative with less liklihood of harm by not being a metal.

It seems benign because it kills pathogens without apparently harming the human

body. But, many metal toxicities are extremely subtle to detect, and then only

if you know what to look for. And, most metal toxicities were unknown as

recently as 60 years ago. Why, doctors were putting mercury in people's mouths

as recently as.... well, today!

Oxygen, cayenne, soil bacteria (acidophilus, etc) & grapefruit seed extract, to

name a few, can be used to keep a flu away without being a metal.... and without

any possibility of harm to us.

I make colloidal silver. I make colloidal silver-makers. I use colloidal silver.

I believe in colloidal silver. But, I do not believe it is the end-all, be-all,

or only modality available.

jim

Tom Trauberman wrote:

> Saul,

> Why can't I take colloidal silver internally as a daily immune booster

> over the long term?

>

> Tom

>

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Hi all

I certainly have an opinion! Flu shots are guaranteed income for the

manufacturer and dangerous to people, especially the people they are

supposed to protect like the elderly and the young.

There are many different strains of viruses that cause the flu, and there is

no telling in advance which one will be active. So how can you set up

production for the mystery virus that will be virulent this coming winter?

So basically its a crap shoot with a lot of hype and scaring people so that

it becomes the " normal " thing to do.

Also material in flu shots is cultured on animals and essentially you

introduce foreign proteins from another species into your body, not to

mention puss and whatever else is in it.

It is much better to live a healthy life style and supplement with vitamins

etc .

Anyway those are my 2 cents

le

>Anyone have an opinion about taking flu shots? Someone told me once that

>it

>could aggravate fibromyalgia. I work in a health facility and am middle

>aged, and think I should probably get one working with all those old folks,

>but wonder about their safety in long run. Thanks, Marilyn

>

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Dear Tom,

Silver is not a nutrient. There is no RDA (recommended daily allowance) for

silver. If you never eat any, your body will not miss it.

As it enters the body, it will act against any bacteria or virus due to

charge; however, after that action has taken place, it will be stored

somewhere in the body (probably the liver) just like any other heavy metal.

People who have taken it long term are said to have a characteristically

grayish cast to their skin.

There are better choices.

Best of Health!

Saul Pressman

URL: http://www.plasmafire.com.education.html

email: saul@...

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Re: Flu Shots

> Saul,

> Why can't I take colloidal silver internally as a daily immune booster

> over the long term?

>

> Tom

[Guest guest]

Yes, Nelly, I do think that having your husband get a flu shot is a good

idea. In fact, I thank you for the suggestion and I am going to ask my

husband to do the same. Have you considered getting the flu shot over a

period of, say, two weeks? Half and half. I am going to ask my regular

doctor to do this. I had a doctor with a very large cfids practice and this

is what she did and it never bothered me (and when I have had the flu shot

all at one time, it made me feel pretty sick for about a week). A little

difficult to get the doctor who doesn't know cfids to do this, because they

say, well that is not how it is supposed to be administered (1/2 and 1/2 over

two weeks). One time a doctor refused to do this, and this is when I had it

all at once and got sick from it : ( Bon Chance!

[Guest guest]

Nelly,

Have you checked out whether your infection susceptability has improved

since you started the abx? Touch wood, mine seems to have improved

markedly since on abx and I am hopeful this may continue. I guess you

could argue that immunity is suppressed in part by the deliberate or

accidental action of one of our pathogens, so by suppressing the pathogen

with abx we restore immunity to viruses some extent.

Recent weeks has seen everyone I know laid low with some terrible bug and

yet not me...

....

....I swear as I write this I am feeling my glands get sore! I know I have

hexed myself by saying this ...(better a herx than a hex?).

Just a thought,

n

n

Tel/Fax +61-2-6239 6226

Canberra, Australia

[Guest guest]

>

>What I thought I might do this year, since I am too ill to work and don't

>even go out much, and certainly don't mingle with a lot of people, is GET MY

>HUSBAND VACCINATED. He's my main contact with the outside world and every

>year he's the one who brings viruses home.

This sounds like a good compromise - is he willing to get the vaccine?

Oh, and thank you Nelly for putting the lyme bug in my ear! - so to speak.

I am positive and will be treated!

I know it won't be perfect, but

>as we are only tgthr at the wkend it might help protect me somewhat.(he

>works in Paris and I often stay home in the country during the

>week-sometimes I go with him to Paris during the week, but still...).

It sounds wonderful! - Paris - sigh.....!

CHristie

[Guest guest]

" I am scared silly about catching the flu this coming winter.... What I

thought I might do this year, since I am too ill to work and don't even go

out much, and certainly don't mingle with a lot of people, is GET MY HUSBAND

VACCINATED. "

Yes, this is the " herd immunity " mentality behind a lot of vaccinations.

Even if you can't reach everyone, you drastically lower the chances of an

unprotected individual encountering the offending nasty. If he'll co-operate

you have an added edge. I have not had major adverse reactions to the flu

shot in the several years I have taken it since being diagnosed with FMS and

I took the shot last Friday. Aside from a little soreness at the site for

about 2 days I am feeling fine. I'll let you know if anything changes in

that department, but I don't expect it to.

Hugs,

Theresa

[Guest guest]

My husband always used to get the flu shot - every year like clock work. And

every year he got sick!!

Since I arrived on the scene - he hasn't had the shot and hasn't gotten sick

either - go figure.

Chelly

[Guest guest]

I had the flu once... It was really kind of cool... Fevers of 103-105 at

night and 101-103 during the day for a week straight.

The man who is now my husband put me to bed, gave me orange juice, water or

chicken ramen whenever I felt like drinking or eating

something, told me that yes indeed, I looked pretty bad, but didn't I think I

should look bad as bad as I felt (and actually had the

ability to make me believe that he couldn't have cared less how I looked, was

just concerned that I get better), told me if I

decided I wanted to go to a doctor he'd Be happy to take me, but as long as I

didn't want to go he was just happy to take care of

me, and just generally loved me through it. I had no strength, no energy, but it

just felt good to let the fever run it's course. I

was achy, pain-y, and a little cranky but there was nothing scary about it.

Certainly nothing to run out and get a shot for just in

CASE I might get it again! After hearing about the anti-cancer properties of the

interferon we produce during high fevers I've sort

of wished I'd get it about once every few years, though I see no reason I should

ever get cancer anyway. I got influenza simply

because I was really run-down, not taking care of my health, it was the end of a

hard Minnesota winter in that time when the

temperatures are bouncing around and I was under both emotional and spiritual

stress. I came into contact with a lot of different

people right around that time, most of whom were their Selfs not healthy, and

having had the experience (only once in thirty-two

years I might add) I would much rather chance going through it again (maybe even

relish it a little if I did) than get the stupid

shot which is most likely not going to protect me from it anyway and open my

Self to that whole myriad of potential problems. Just

one person's experience...

Be...

Peace.............................. :->

http://www.momentsofawareness.com/

peace_b_untiu@...

ville, NC

[Guest guest]

Hi Donna,

has had a flu shot every year since he was a toddler. He has been

very fortunate not to have any side effects from them and they definitely do

give his immune system a boost. While most of the other kids in the class

will get what's going around, he usually will not. The only thing he gets

every time it surfaces is RSV, which is a respiratory virus that almost

always turns into pneumonia in him and gets him wheezing. My husband and I

try to get a flu shot every year as well, but it depends on the availability

of the vaccine because we're not considered particularly at risk. BTW,

had the Pneumococcus (sp?) shot a couple of years ago as well. That

is supposed to protect him from bacterial pneumonia and is a one-time thing

for lifetime protection, I think.

Terry

[Guest guest]

,

I don't remember what age my son was when he started getting flu shots, but

my guess is around age three. If it were me, I would push the Ped's office.

In my opinion, it is your Ped's job to be an advocate for your daughter.

Maybe if you talk with him/her? Vaccines can generally be ordered for

high-risk patients. You might also need to explain that your daughter's

Immunologist won't do it, so they need to! Let us know what happens.

Sandi--Mom to , age 9. Suspected IgA def., Tetrology of Fallot,

chronic sinusitis, chronic ear infections, asthma, severe allergies, GERD.

Ten surgeries, heart surgery pending.

[Guest guest]

Macey's never received a flu shot so I'm not sure what type of deficiency would

be at the greatest loss for missing it.

Could possibly be those with t-cell problems.

Ursula Holleman

Macey's mom (7 yr. old with CVID, asthma, sinus disease, GERD, Diabetes

Insipidus, colonic inertia)

http://members.cox.net/maceyh

Immune Deficiency Foundation - Peer Contact for GA

http://www.primaryimmune.org

/

[Guest guest]

>Everyone over age 50.<

How many people do we know that when they turned 50 and didn't get a flu shot

they died? I'm 50 now, and I will never have a flu shot (I told you I have had

one but that was before I got wise) My Dad actually said to me, after me

begging him not to get another flu shot, " Fine, I won't get the flu shot, but if

I get the flu, I will blame it on you! " He is 72. Well, my thought is that it

would be better to get the flu than Alzheimer's! C.

[Guest guest]

It is strange. I would check in with your local health department. We are

told that when you have a PID kid it is important for everyone in the family

to receive one so that you reduce the increased risk for the PID kid. BARBIE

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Your best bet might be to explain that Connor is the brother of a high risk

child. That way, wouldn't be exposed to the flu. I'm surprised that

the Ped's office can't help you out--I've heard that there is no shortage

this year of vaccine. In fact, at my pharmacy, they aren't even having a

" high risk " day because they have so much vaccine. Good luck!

Sandi--Mom to , age 9. Suspected IgA def., Tetrology of Fallot,

chronic sinusitis, chronic ear infections, asthma, severe allergies, GERD.

Ten surgeries, heart surgery pending.

[Guest guest]

,

From everything I have read and heard through our Docs, there isn't a

shortage this year. So, I'm not sure why you're having such a difficult

time. It only makes sense that everyone in your family should have a flu

shot. The shots don't completely protect anyone from the flu, so if Connor

got the flu, could get it anyway (although it would probably be

milder). It is better to prevent it in the first place!! gets one,

and I do also. First, because I don't want to expose him. Secondly, because

I am his caregiver and can't afford to be that sick. If I get only a mild

case of the flu, I can still take care of him.

For flu shots, they go by age; not weight. It might be that a lot of Docs

don't want to deal with figuring out the dosage? I would keep pushing or

just being assertive. We PID Mom's do a lot of advocating for our kids--I can

tell you are good at it.

Sandi--Mom to , age 9. Suspected IgA def., Tetrology of Fallot,

chronic sinusitis, chronic ear infections, asthma, severe allergies, GERD.

Ten surgeries, heart surgery pending.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/20/2002 7:26:56 PM Central Standard Time,

ercokat@... writes:

> The doctor's nurse asked me why Connor would need a flu shot because

> was high risk, because is getting the flu shot herself. That's

> something I couldn't answer, because I'm not sure what the correct answer

> is for that one!

>

:

Just tell them some PID patients don't make antibodies very well themselves

and there's no way to know if will make the antibodies well enough to be

protected. I can't believe you have to beg! Two years ago or whenever it was,

when there was a bad flu vaccine shortage, I called my doctor and TOLD them

that my husband and I were to be first on the list when any flu vaccine

became available because we were immediate family of a PID child. I basically

gave them no choice and they did not resist one bit. They put us on the " A

list " as if we had PIDs ourselves.

(mom to Kate, born 9/19/02; and , age 3-3/4 -- currently has

polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

other defs)