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In a message dated 6/23/00 9:00:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mel@...

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Should I be concerned about my daughter interacting with vaccinated kids?

I worry when she chews on other kids toys, it seems to be unavoidable.

thanks,

Melyssa >>

Welcome to the list Melyssa!

I was worried about my dd being with other kids,but hey she has got to play

right?I just take things out of her mouth or clean them before she gets her

hands on them.

I really try not to worry about it anymore.LOL.my big thing now is tetanus as

Nimet is always scraping her limbs!

I know it is hard not to worry sometimes,but when you think about it there

are so many things that can go wrong-illness or accidents-so just try to

enjoy the time you have together.Be very proactive with her health and I bet

she will handle fine any infection she develops.Nimet has had in her

17months-roseola,stuffy nose,and a one day fever.Not bad I think.And never

went to the doctor for any of those!

Sara

again welcome!

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>In a message dated 6/23/00 9:00:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mel@...

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> Should I be concerned about my daughter interacting with vaccinated kids?

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> I worry when she chews on other kids toys, it seems to be unavoidable.

>

at least it is going through the immune system when exposed as

opposed to bypassing it all together and hitting right into the

bloodstream - though doesn't mean there cannot be some sort of

reaction. In the real world we are all exposed to vaccines everyday -

shedding virus etc - think of how many vaccines dogs are given -

disgusting isn't it.

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At 12:17 AM 06/25/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>>In a message dated 6/23/00 9:00:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mel@...

>>writes:

>>

>><<

>> Should I be concerned about my daughter interacting with vaccinated kids?

>>

>> I worry when she chews on other kids toys, it seems to be unavoidable.

>>

>

>at least it is going through the immune system when exposed as

>opposed to bypassing it all together and hitting right into the

>bloodstream - though doesn't mean there cannot be some sort of

>reaction. In the real world we are all exposed to vaccines everyday -

>shedding virus etc - think of how many vaccines dogs are given -

>disgusting isn't it.

Yes, there is a risk with the live vaccines, but I have never heard of a

case other than with polio oral.

Sheri

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At 12:17 AM 06/25/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>>In a message dated 6/23/00 9:00:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mel@...

>>writes:

>>

>><<

>> Should I be concerned about my daughter interacting with vaccinated kids?

>>

>> I worry when she chews on other kids toys, it seems to be unavoidable.

>>

>

>at least it is going through the immune system when exposed as

>opposed to bypassing it all together and hitting right into the

>bloodstream - though doesn't mean there cannot be some sort of

>reaction. In the real world we are all exposed to vaccines everyday -

>shedding virus etc - think of how many vaccines dogs are given -

>disgusting isn't it.

Yes, there is a risk with the live vaccines, but I have never heard of a

case other than with polio oral and chicken pox.

Sheri

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Add Chicken pox to that.

Sheri

At 12:17 AM 06/25/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>>In a message dated 6/23/00 9:00:34 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mel@...

>>writes:

>>

>><<

>> Should I be concerned about my daughter interacting with vaccinated kids?

>>

>> I worry when she chews on other kids toys, it seems to be unavoidable.

>>

>

>at least it is going through the immune system when exposed as

>opposed to bypassing it all together and hitting right into the

>bloodstream - though doesn't mean there cannot be some sort of

>reaction. In the real world we are all exposed to vaccines everyday -

>shedding virus etc - think of how many vaccines dogs are given -

>disgusting isn't it.

Yes, there is a risk with the live vaccines, but I have never heard of a

case other than with polio oral.

Sheri

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MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO

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Hi Sharon, Welcome to the list. I am originally from Oxford, Alabama

(near Anniston) and am a military wife and currently live in Hawaii. We

have had some real education horror stories from our travels. I am so glad

to hear that schools in Alabama are providing programs like has.

has a similar pull-out program. I would love to have full inclusion

but until someone does it properly in a place where we live, I'll settle for

the pull-out. Keep us up to date on your family. BTW, do they have sweet

barbecue down your way. I am a tad homesick:))

Elaine Mom to 16 and 14 (DS)

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> Hi-

> I am new to this list and would like to introduce us. I am Sharon, wife

to

> Mike and Mom to (8, DS) and , (5). We live in Mobile, Alabama.

> is entering the second grade. She is included with pull out for

> speech therapy and math. She is doing very well, and loves school. She

> can't wait to start in a week. She is starting a new reading program

> called Guided Reading. I don't have all the details yet, but will be

happy

> to share them after the school year begins.

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> I look forward to talking with y'all, and meeting new friends.

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Welcome Sharon! I'll look forward to hearing about you and your

family!

Sandy mom to le (4, DS) & Adam (11 months) in Ca!

> Hi-

> I am new to this list and would like to introduce us. I am Sharon,

wife to

> Mike and Mom to (8, DS) and , (5). We live in Mobile,

Alabama.

> is entering the second grade. She is included with pull out

for

> speech therapy and math. She is doing very well, and loves

school. She

> can't wait to start in a week. She is starting a new reading

program

> called Guided Reading. I don't have all the details yet, but will

be happy

> to share them after the school year begins.

>

> I look forward to talking with y'all, and meeting new friends.

>

> Sharon

> ME.@w...

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Hi and welcome to the group. I was very blessed when

was born, my mother approached me and said she and

my dad wanted to take care of when I returned to

work. It was such a relief to have a family member

taking care of her. I know your nephew is fortunate to

have such a wonderful aunt!

I look forward to hearing more from you in the future.

Take care

--

Sharon, Mom to (8, DS) and (5)

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> Just wanted to quickly introduce myself. My name is and though I'm

> not a parent of a DS child, I take care of my nephew Monday through Friday

> and he has DS. I also watch his 3 1/2 year old sister. My nephew is 11

> months old (1 on 9/29) and is doing really well. I graduated from college

> last May and decided (soon after was born) that I wanted to watch him

> each day rather than work somewhere else. I hope to make a difference

> in his life.

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> We've been blessed to find that he only has a slight heart murmur and the

> doctor's believe it may disappear on its own (he was 6 weeks early). He is

> learning to sit up now and has been going to therapy to help with this and

> strengthen his muscles. He is definitely an angel in the family and we all

> feel blessed that he's ours!

>

> Well, he should be waking up soon so I'll just say I'm anxious to get to

> know everyone.

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welcome amy,

good for you (and your dd) to have made this decision!! it's amazing all the

things that are done to keep us unaware of the risks involved in the vaccine

issue!! as if we are too stupid to make competent choices for our children!!

glad you are here--it's a great list filled with knowledgeable people who

can help support and inform you!

brigit

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* -----Original Message-----

* From: Amy_Coppock@... [mailto:Amy_Coppock@...]

* I have a 6.5 month old dd. She had her 2 months vxs and none since,

* and at this stage I don't plan on her getting any more vxs in

* future. I am looking forward to learning more from other parents who

* have also decided not to vaccinate as I find that the more

* information, contact and support I have about this decision the

* better I feel about it - and considering that this is a decision that

* will come with a battle at every turn, it's important to be as well-

* informed and confident as possible about the decision.

Welcome! Our daughters are the same age. Ani turned 7 month today. She

had her 2 and 4 month vaccinations (minus Hep , but then we stopped. I am

the same way you are - support makes me confirm over and over that this is

the right decision (not to vax). We paused Ani's because they caused her to

get terrible allergies (thankfully doing much better still exclusively

nursing and useing homeopathic medicine). Then the more we researched the

less I wanted to inject my baby and now have decide to simply stop. We just

wish we had known such a strong family history of allergies as we have is a

contraindication to getting immunized (our doctor didn't tell us and after

we stopped vaccinating I was talking to a friend who picks and chooses

vaccines and she said her children's ped does not recommend vaxing a child

with a family history of allergies due to increased risk of adverse

effects - wish our ped had told us that). This is a great group. So many

*very* knowledgeable people. I've learned so much from them!

~

and since 6/5/98

and Ani since 2/15/00

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i'm suspicious of the pharmaceutical companies -- got to figure that they're

downplaying the possiblity of side effects, what is vaers?

thanks

Chris

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Hi

Perhaps sites of pharmaceutical companies with informaiton on the benefits

and risks of vaccines is a good place to look. Also the Vaers database.

Sorry I don't have the links on hand.

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>Hi all

>I'm new here and just wanted to say hello. I am the mother of a 7 month

old

>boy who received the standard vaccines at his 2 month exam (dpt, hep-b,

>polio & hib). Although he had no reaction, I was bothered by his receiving

>so many at one time and started to do some research on the diseases and the

>vaccines. Yikes!!! to say the least I have become overwhelmed and feel that

>the more you know, the less you know when it comes to this topic. I have

>since decided to at least delay all additional vaccines (except hib which

he

>received the 2nd dose of at 6 mos.) I don't really have any intention of

>having any more vaccines for hep b or polio, but am on the fence about the

>dpt. I live in Massachusetts and just read in the paper today that

whooping

>cough cases in the state have increased by 67% over last year. I'm trying

>really hard to filter all the info and make and informed decision, but find

>that most of the info on the internet leans pretty heavily pro or anti

>vaccine. I'm just looking for some balanced and accurate information. Any

>and all comments or advice are welcome

>thanks for taking the time to read this

>Chris

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The pharmaceutical companies do list the risks, side effects, etc. on their

inserts. Vaers is Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System. Here is a link I

just found: http://www.fedbuzz.com/vaccine/vac.html

Re: introduction

>i'm suspicious of the pharmaceutical companies -- got to figure that

they're

>downplaying the possiblity of side effects, what is vaers?

>thanks

>Chris

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hi chris,

welcome to the list--glad you are here. i do understand how you feel about

making these very difficult decisions. i have 2 kids, ages 6 yrs and 11

months. my oldest, elliott is fully vaxed up to 5 yrs. old, my baby was

given his shots at 2 months and then i couldn't continue. i had always had

reservations about vaccines--without really having any specific reason to

dislike them--i was completely unaware of the " down " side of vaccines, until

recently. it took me awhile (like i said, i wasn't comfortable with them

with my older son, yet i still took sawyer in and had him inocculated,

because i was afraid to not have him up to date. we are so programmed to be

sooo afraid, if we don't do what the current medical authorities say so.

remember that it took how many years for them to admit that smoking is bad

for your health!!

as i began my research, i continually grew more and more convinced that

vaccines were no good. i stopped continuing the series with sawyer, figuring

i could always go back at a later time--but i guess i knew that time would

never come and now 9 months later--i am positive i will never give my kids

any vaccines in the future.

you have a very hard decision to make--no doubt about that. either way you

go, there's always a possibilty of illness to your child. you just need to

decide which carries the greatest risk and the worst after effects. for me,

keeping my kids as toxin-free as possible, natural immune systems intact,

healthy eating and just knowing their chances of contracting one of these

illnesses is remote--i'll take my chances with what comes my way naturally...

good luck in your decision, ask any and all questions you may have--there are

lots of knowledgeable helpful people on this list. if you need references to

any specific vaccines or illnesses, post a question here. take care,

brigit

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hi jenn,

actually i don't think we have any " jenn's " on the list!! ) welcome, gald

you are here. congratulations on your new baby and on looking into vaxing

before just doing it!!!! hope you get lots of info from this list--it has

been invaluable to me!!!

brigit

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Welcome ,

You will get a lot of support and information here. Glad to see you are investigating and not just listening to the words of the almighty doctor.

Jill

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immune system. To prevent it sounds to me like we're trying to develop a

>generation of bubble-children.

>

Actually, i think they are just trying to make money!

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To prevent it sounds to me like we're trying to develop a

> generation of bubble-children.

Welcome ! Interesting you should say that about the " bubble-

children. " I just made that same argument to a friend the other

day. People tell me I shouldn't shelter my kids - but that's what so

many are doing when they don't allow their children's immune systems

to properly develop by getting some of these formerly common

childhood illnesses. Remember the movie " The Boy in the Bubble? "

That may even be what you were referring to, but that is the image

that came to mind during this conversation with a friend. Best of

luck to you!

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In a message dated 12/29/00 12:57:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, EstairM@... writes:

Hi Esther,

welcome to the list!! glad you are here--hope you learn lots and get the support you need to make this difficult decision!!

brigit

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Welcome to the list, !! I have a 14 year old son, with DS.

He is my easy one. You'll love it here.

Elaine

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> Hello,

> My name is . I have 3 beautiful children (all girls). Kasandra

> 11y, 2 yrs & Krystin 9 months DS. I have a terrific husband

> Mike. I am a stay at home mom.

>

>

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hi julie,

welcome to the list!!!! glad you're here!

brigit

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At 10:09 PM 01/13/2001 +1100, you wrote:

> Hi everyone, Have just joined the list, I have a 6 month unvaccinated

>girl, we decided not to vaccinate after our Homeopath mentioned the dangers

>to me and we started to investigate, it was a real eye opener! and it

>makes so much sense to me , why would you put posions into a pure precious

>little life!, the midwifes at the hospitals were suprised but my Doctor

>didn't really mind at all, maybe he knew something!, anyway looking

>forward to joining in. .

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Welcome . Glad you are such a wise woman and that you also have a

HOMEOPATH! Yeah! Where do you live and who is your homeopath.

Sheri

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women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke

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Hi Sheri,

Thanks for the kind words!, I live in Devon Meadows, , Australia and my great

Homeopath is Donna -, what a great lady!, looking forward to joining

in.

.

8-)

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At 10:09 PM 01/13/2001 +1100, you wrote:> Hi everyone, Have just joined the list, I have a 6 month unvaccinated>girl, we decided not to vaccinate after our Homeopath mentioned the dangers>to me and we started to investigate, it was a real eye opener! and it>makes so much sense to me , why would you put posions into a pure precious>little life!, the midwifes at the hospitals were suprised but my Doctor>didn't really mind at all, maybe he knew something!, anyway looking >forward to joining in. . > eGroups Sponsor Welcome . Glad you are such a wise woman and that you also have aHOMEOPATH! Yeah! Where do you live and who is your homeopath.Sherico-moderator --------------------------------------------------------Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA530-478-1242http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm'>http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing"...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tourshttp://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine DangersEducation, Homeopathic EducationKVMR Broadcaster/Programmer/Investigative Reporter, Nevada City CACEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters

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amy, welcome to the list. glad you are here. try not to beat yourself up over vaxing your older children--you did what you thought was best at the time.

you can only go forward and do what you think is best for them now!! i am in the same boat as you--many of us are. i fully vaxed thru age 5 my oldest and even vaxed my 2nd at 2 months--then i started researching vaccines and there will NEVER be another vax going into any of my children.

hope you get the support and info you are looking for, and again, welcome.

where are you located?

brigit, in albany

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Hi Amy...you are doing the right thing. Changing the beliefs you had is a

very scary thing, especially when most of the doctors out there will look at

you like you are crazy or a bad mom when you say you are not vaccinating.

Fearing these diseases in natural, and shows that you do care and you are a

GOOD mom...there are naturopathic and holistic and homeopathic doctors who

can help your child if she ever did contract one or more of these illnesses.

Her immune system will be stronger from going through these illnesses;

vaccines will make her system weaker so she will not be able to fight off

ANY illness like she would if her system was not compromised. There are also

many books out there that will help explain these illnesses to you, and what

to do in case she would ever get sick with one. One that is very good is

Mendelshons (spelling) How to keep your child healthy...In spite of

your doctor. Anyway, best wishes for your beautiful baby and your family...

Sharon, Quakertown PA

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> Hi my name is Amy I am a mom of 4 and have just decides not to vacc my 4th

> baby. I did infact vacc all the others and feel horrid and sick to think

what

> I have done to there bodies. I am infact also nervous about the decision I

am

> making. It is a scary step to make. What if they get on of these diseases?

> how will I handle the guilt. Are there some vacc they should have? I am

just

> starting to learn and any help you all can give me would be greatly

> appreciated. I am gonna hold off her 2 MO shots. I am just gonna tell the

PED

> I want to wait till she is alittle older. And also bring up the subject of

> NOT vaccine and see what he says. He told me in the hospital after her

birth

> that they no longer give the hep b at birth cause of mercury, My husband

said

> Mercury are youkidding me. That can kill you. DAHHHH So I have come to

this

> decision cause of that very moment and I look at how beautiful and health

she

> is and said I don't want to poison her body. So please help me I encourage

> your emails and getting to know some of you.

> thanks

> amy

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