Swine flu vaccine

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, could you post the article to the list as the webpage is not working,

at least not for my computer. Thank you,

At 04:14 PM 11/14/00 -0000, you wrote:

>I found this very interesting, since I mentioned the swine flu in my

>last post Please Read. It has alot of info. on how our wonderful

>government went about getting this vaccine out.

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>http://www.haverford.edu/biology/edwards/disease/viral_essays/warnervi

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From: LvrOfNatur@...

Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:59 PM

Subject: swine flu vaccine

Hi all,

As people with HIV/AIDS, should we be getting both the swine flu vaccine and the regular flu vaccine?

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Hello -

I wonder if the bigger question might be,

"will we have a choice?"

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Here's a recent report that says the US had already 'taken delivery' of 20 million units of "vaccine" - before the "trials" have even begun:

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2009/07/31/2003449949

They must be pretty confident that the vaccine 'trials' are going to come out just fine, which is probably why they have no problem reportedly using 12,000 children for the initial trials?

There are thousands of members in this group - who probably routinely see their doctors every 3-4 months - which would mean hundreds per week.

Why not ask your doctors these simple questions and report back to the group:

If millions+ of people have reported already been exposed to and/or had the novel swine flu - and not died - then doesn't that mean millions have successfully created natural antibodies to it? How are they managing to make a vaccine now - for a more deadly mutated version of this 'novel' virus - that doesn't even exist yet?

Are there any doctors here in the pozgroup who could answer these questions?

Speaking of which - how are they going to convince doctors to take these 'vaccines' when it has been reported that the majority of doctors in the US and health care workers in the UK refuse the 'regular seasonal flu vaccines'?

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Guys, guys ... you sound like a bunch of conspiracy theory pundits.   The woman whose video you posted also has a video of the "killer" Gardisil HPV virus.  If you choose not to receive the vaccine, then don't accept it.  The "big bad government" isn't going to force you to take the vaccine.  Ask your doctors and make up your own mint.  But, if you get the flu, please stay home and don't infect anyone else. 

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Just a reminder to anyone getting a vaccine of any nature. Always demand a Thymerisol free vaccine. There really isn't anything that is actually Thymerisol free. Thymerisol free vaccine actually has Thymerisol, but a smaller amount. Still it is safer.

Don

Re: swine flu vaccine

Guys, guys ... you sound like a bunch of conspiracy theory pundits. The woman whose video you posted also has a video of the "killer" Gardisil HPV virus. If you choose not to receive the vaccine, then don't accept it. The "big bad government" isn't going to force you to take the vaccine. Ask your doctors and make up your own mint. But, if you get the flu, please stay home and don't infect anyone else.

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Hi all,

First of all, look for Thimerosal.

There’s an FDA web page on thimerosal in vaccines at http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/UCM096228

Bob

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Subject: Re: Re: swine flu vaccine



Just

a reminder to anyone getting a vaccine of any nature. Always demand a

Thymerisol free vaccine. There really isn't anything that is actually

Thymerisol free. Thymerisol free vaccine actually has Thymerisol, but a

smaller amount. Still it is safer.

Don

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From: Anet99@...

Sent: Saturday, August 08,

2009 7:22 AM

Subject: Re:

swine flu vaccine

Guys, guys ... you sound like a bunch of conspiracy theory

pundits. The woman whose video you posted also has a video of the

" killer " Gardisil HPV virus. If you choose not to receive the

vaccine, then don't accept it. The " big bad government " isn't

going to force you to take the vaccine. Ask your doctors and make up your

own mint. But, if you get the flu, please stay home and don't infect

anyone else.

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Just because the FDA says that Thymerisol is safe doesn't mean that we have to agree with the FDA. The FDA allows hydrogenated oil in food, sulfites in processed foods, nitrites/nitrates in your bacon and meat products, ethylene glycol in your vitamins, polysorbate 80 in your ice cream.

Furthermore, I am quite amazed at Mr. Munks insinuation that Thymerisol is the only safe preservative in the world for vaccines. Are you trying to tell us that no one can invent a mercury free preservative for vaccines?

This is rubbish. I don't believe it and the readers of this group shouldn't believe it either.

Don

Re: swine flu vaccine

Guys, guys ... you sound like a bunch of conspiracy theory pundits. The woman whose video you posted also has a video of the "killer" Gardisil HPV virus. If you choose not to receive the vaccine, then don't accept it. The "big bad government" isn't going to force you to take the vaccine. Ask your doctors and make up your own mint. But, if you get the flu, please stay home and don't infect anyone else.

[Guest guest]



Just because the FDA says that Thymerisol is safe doesn't mean that we have to agree with the FDA. The FDA allows hydrogenated oil in food, sulfites in processed foods, nitrites/nitrates in your bacon and meat products, ethylene glycol in your vitamins, polysorbate 80 in your ice cream.

Furthermore, I am quite amazed at Mr. Munks insinuation that Thymerisol is the only safe preservative in the world for vaccines. Are you trying to tell us that no one can invent a mercury free preservative for vaccines?

This is rubbish. I don't believe it and the readers of this group shouldn't believe it either.

Don

Re: swine flu vaccine

Guys, guys ... you sound like a bunch of conspiracy theory pundits. The woman whose video you posted also has a video of the "killer" Gardisil HPV virus. If you choose not to receive the vaccine, then don't accept it. The "big bad government" isn't going to force you to take the vaccine. Ask your doctors and make up your own mint. But, if you get the flu, please stay home and don't infect anyone else.

[Guest guest]

"Guys, guys ... you sound like a bunch of conspiracy theory pundits. The woman whose video you posted also has a video of the "killer" Gardisil HPV virus. If you choose not to receive the vaccine, then don't accept it. The "big bad government" isn't going to force you to take the vaccine. Ask your doctors and make up your own mint. But, if you get the flu, please stay home and don't infect anyone else." Totally agree. I probably would not bathe in the stuff, but I will not think for a second about risks from a vaccine.JB

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we were told if your child is on prednisone they cannot have the nose spray. We

are trying to get the shot for our daughter with . She also has a rare

chromosome disorder and many health issues. Her doctors have told us she has to

have the shot.

and Bouman

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we were told if your child is on prednisone they cannot have the nose spray. We

are trying to get the shot for our daughter with . She also has a rare

chromosome disorder and many health issues. Her doctors have told us she has to

have the shot.

and Bouman

29:11

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We did the swine flu injection and will do a second in a month if the

health dept. does not run out. Our pediatrician recommended the

injection instead of the mist because of the even though Calder

had a T and A almost one year ago (and no fevers since!). We have

always had Calder get a flu vaccine.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this question...I too am unsure as to if we should vaccinate

our daughter for H1N1. We live in Canada, and our physician at the Hospital for

Sick Children is saying to go ahead. I am cautious for many reasons...we have

never vaccinated for seasonal flu as we were concerned how it may affect out

daughter.

I am interested to read others responses.

 

Thanks,

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Hi!

Sorry to hear your son may be out of remission...at least you had all

those months! I took my 26 month old son (and 5 year old daughter) for

seasonal flu shots last month. He was on his last day of fever. No

issues. Then he went 32 days without a fever..yea! I took them Friday

for the H1N1. His pediatrician, Rheumatologist and

acupuncture/herbalist (as long as his shot didn't have thimerosal in it)

said he should get it. And I am in favor of vaccination anyway. Our Ped

group doesn't know if they will get supply for the second shot yet. (?)

The story keeps changing as to whether it makes a big difference or not

in the 2-9 year olds. Unfortunately my son had acupuncture that

morning, then the shot(injection)...then a large blood draw for a whole

panel of labs! And he was 10 days overdue for a fever. He is fevering

today. I would still do it again. Half of our playgroup is not getting

it, so I want my kids protected! I don't know if that helps you any...

Teja

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this question...I too am usure if we should vaccinate our

daughter for H1N1. We live in Canada and our physician at the Hospital for Sick

Children is saying to go ahead. I am cautious for many reasons...we have never

vaccinated for seasonal flu as we were concerned how it would affect our

daughther.

I am interested to read others responses.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting this question...I too am usure if we should vaccinate our

daughter for H1N1. We live in Canada and our physician at the Hospital for Sick

Children is saying to go ahead. I am cautious for many reasons...we have never

vaccinated for seasonal flu as we were concerned how it would affect our

daughther.

I am interested to read others responses.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

My daughter recevied her vac last week. No inhaled versions ever given due to

meds she is on. Any child under age 10 with injection need booster 3-4wks after

intial dose

[Guest guest]

My daughter recevied her vac last week. No inhaled versions ever given due to

meds she is on. Any child under age 10 with injection need booster 3-4wks after

intial dose

[Guest guest]

Our daughter, who has , was vaccinated last Thursday via injection. In

Canada, all children under 10 years of age receive two half doses, three weeks

apart. She also has an egg allergy, which complicates the matter, so she did

receive allergy skin testing of the vaccine just prior to her shot to make she

she would not have a reaction.

She felt crappy for a couple of days (as did the rest of who also rec'd the

shot) and had a low grade fever for one evening only. I work in the respiratory

field and in my mind, the risks of the H1N1 virus is far greater than the risk

of the vaccine.

Tough decision for any parent for sure - good luck!

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My son got the regular seasonal flu shot two weeks before his T & A. He ended up

with a fever two days later. I'm sure it was his ..

Had his surgery on 9/30.

Had swine flu nasal mist about two weeks ago. NO side effects from it so far.

I would have gotten it even if he hadn't had his T & A as I have always gotten him

his regular flu shot ever since he was six months old. His fevers started when

he was 17 mos old and he is three and a half now.

I know this is a personal choice. Seeing the stuff on the news about how hard it

is hitting kids made up my mind.

I was also having crazy thoughts about what if he had a high fever and we were

traveling and they quarantined us I know that is way out there but stuff like

that crossed my mind.

OH, as soon as his fever stops go get it if you decide to. That way he should

not have another fever right away.

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Hi

I think we are going to hold off for while with respect to getting the shot for

. Sick Kids told us to go ahead as well, but I am going to wait. I would

prefer to vaccinate without the adjuvant if possible.

Hope to talk soon

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[Guest guest]

Hi

I think we are going to hold off for while with respect to getting the shot for

. Sick Kids told us to go ahead as well, but I am going to wait. I would

prefer to vaccinate without the adjuvant if possible.

Hope to talk soon

Sent on the TELUS Mobility network with BlackBerry

[Guest guest]

My daughter suffers from asthma so she cannot get any of the nasal/mists shots,

but because of that too she needs the vaccines to protect her from anything that

could trigger her asthma.

She got the seasonal flu shot early september right after having an episode. She

didn't fever for about 1 month (she's now fevering every 2-2.5 weeks).

We just took her to have the H1N1 shot yesterday and so far she's been fine. She

was mad because she got the shot, but no fever. We did give her some tylenol

just in case. They told us that because of her age she should get a 2nd shot in

28-30 days. We got her shot through the Public Health Dept. (we waited in line

for 6 hrs) but they are hoping that in a month her dr. could have the shot (her

dr only has had the mist).

Hope this helps...

[Guest guest]

My daughter suffers from asthma so she cannot get any of the nasal/mists shots,

but because of that too she needs the vaccines to protect her from anything that

could trigger her asthma.

She got the seasonal flu shot early september right after having an episode. She

didn't fever for about 1 month (she's now fevering every 2-2.5 weeks).

We just took her to have the H1N1 shot yesterday and so far she's been fine. She

was mad because she got the shot, but no fever. We did give her some tylenol

just in case. They told us that because of her age she should get a 2nd shot in

28-30 days. We got her shot through the Public Health Dept. (we waited in line

for 6 hrs) but they are hoping that in a month her dr. could have the shot (her

dr only has had the mist).

Hope this helps...

[Guest guest]

My daughter suffers from asthma so she cannot get any of the nasal/mists shots,

but because of that too she needs the vaccines to protect her from anything that

could trigger her asthma.

She got the seasonal flu shot early september right after having an episode. She

didn't fever for about 1 month (she's now fevering every 2-2.5 weeks).

We just took her to have the H1N1 shot yesterday and so far she's been fine. She

was mad because she got the shot, but no fever. We did give her some tylenol

just in case. They told us that because of her age she should get a 2nd shot in

28-30 days. We got her shot through the Public Health Dept. (we waited in line

for 6 hrs) but they are hoping that in a month her dr. could have the shot (her

dr only has had the mist).

Hope this helps...

[Guest guest]

Yannick-

I can't find the quote in my links, but in the last week I read in a transcribed

interview a discussion on XMRV and potential Vaccination triggers for Autism.

As best as I can remember, the theory is XMRV corrupts and lives in B and

Lymphocite cells. A vaccination is given for a desired generation of

antibodies. Since XMRV is hiding in cells responsible for creating antibodies,

the Vaccination causes a growth of XMRV overwhelming the immune system.

Although the discussion was Autism, the same vaccination trigger could increase

XMRV and CFS symptoms.

Doug

[Moderator: FYI - I suspect a theory will not carry much weight with most MDs

without backing studies -- simply the mindspace most MD's are in]

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> We often talk about vaccines causing CFS or worsening it. I have to meet with

my doctor to discuss getting the swine flu vaccine.