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>Hi,

> I don't post often but I need understanding people when I am feeling down.

>Savannah is 4. I feel lost because I don't feel as if I am doing

>everything I can.

>My major concern is why won't she talk. she doesn't point or wave.

>she does make

>sounds and laughs. she will push something away if she doesn't want

>it. she has

>never babbled like da da or ma ma. so this brings me to the idea

>that she must have

>mental retardation because it is not just speech but communication

>as a whole. Savannah

>cp is so different than any I've ever seen or heard of she was never

>stiff she has

>always been low tone. her MRI showed nothing. I am trying to get

>HBOT- what Dr gives

>the prescription? I am just emotional today.

>

>

>

>

>

>Mom to 5 - savannah 4, CP, micro, DD

>www.savannahssteps.com

Savannah's Mom,

Have you asked Savannah's pediatrician for a prescription?

If she has a pediatric neurologist, have you asked the neurologist

for a prescription?

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Have you had her hearing checked? Just a thought...Hang in there.

loveofmylife020201 wrote:

>Hi,

> I don't post often but I need understanding people when I am feeling down.

>Savannah is 4. I feel lost because I don't feel as if I am doing everything I

can. My major concern is why won't she talk. she doesn't point or wave. she does

make sounds and laughs. she will push something away if she doesn't want it. she

has never babbled like da da or ma ma. so this brings me to the idea that she

must have mental retardation because it is not just speech but communication as

a whole. Savannah cp is so different than any I've ever seen or heard of she was

never stiff she has always been low tone. her MRI showed nothing. I am trying to

get HBOT- what Dr gives the prescription? I am just emotional today.

>

>

>

>

>

>Mom to 5 - savannah 4, CP, micro, DD

>www.savannahssteps.com

>

>

>

>

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Usually your regular doctor will give you one, but not all Doctors know

about HBOT nor are willing to give a scrip for treatments. Where do you live

and where are you seeking HBOT maybe I can forward a referral?

Re: [ ] issues

Have you had her hearing checked? Just a thought...Hang in there.

loveofmylife020201 wrote:

>Hi,

> I don't post often but I need understanding people when I am feeling

down.

>Savannah is 4. I feel lost because I don't feel as if I am doing

everything I can. My major concern is why won't she talk. she doesn't point

or wave. she does make sounds and laughs. she will push something away if

she doesn't want it. she has never babbled like da da or ma ma. so this

brings me to the idea that she must have mental retardation because it is

not just speech but communication as a whole. Savannah cp is so different

than any I've ever seen or heard of she was never stiff she has always been

low tone. her MRI showed nothing. I am trying to get HBOT- what Dr gives the

prescription? I am just emotional today.

>

>

>

>

>

>Mom to 5 - savannah 4, CP, micro, DD

>www.savannahssteps.com

>

>

>

>

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Hi all,

I have rejoined the list last month just to read and catch up but since

then, just this week, the

person I met not long ago and really like has told me he cannot ever

be really close to me because of our major differences.

He lists these as hunting! meat eating! my attitude

to vaccines, modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs!

As I am vegan and use herbs and other natural therapies

you can see where I am coming from. To make things worse

he has degrees/qualifications, although a long time ago, in

various mainstream health subjects and he used to be a surgical nurse

many years ago and he also has some qualifications in

immunology and physiology. He considers pharmaceutical drugs

to be progress in medicine and has stocks of the some anti bird

flu drug in his fridge and says he will be first in line for the

vaccination for it.

Do you think I should just give up? He says he cannot take seriously

anything I say as I am not qualified! ( At this point I can hear you asking

-what the hell does she see in him!). He believes qualifications equals

knowledge. OK I am beginning to wonder too now

Just thought I would throw this at you all for any comments,

Hugs and best regards, Persian.

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Hey Persian, Trust me when I say unless one of you change some it will never work. It is one thing if a person respects your beliefs but does not want to change.. It is another when they do not respect at all. There is someone else out there for you who is better ... May not have your beliefs but will respect them.. as you will theirs. SuziLillsie <lillsiecat@...> wrote: Hi all,I have rejoined the list last month just to read and catch up but since then, just this week, theperson I met not long ago and really like has told me he cannot everbe really close to me because of our major differences.He lists these as hunting! meat eating! my attitudeto vaccines, modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs!As I am vegan and use herbs and other natural

therapiesyou can see where I am coming from. To make things worsehe has degrees/qualifications, although a long time ago, invarious mainstream health subjects and he used to be a surgical nursemany years ago and he also has some qualifications inimmunology and physiology. He considers pharmaceutical drugsto be progress in medicine and has stocks of the some anti birdflu drug in his fridge and says he will be first in line for thevaccination for it.Do you think I should just give up? He says he cannot take seriouslyanything I say as I am not qualified! ( At this point I can hear you asking-what the hell does she see in him!). He believes qualifications equalsknowledge. OK I am beginning to wonder too now :)Just thought I would throw this at you all for any comments,Hugs and best regards, Persian.

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He lists these as hunting! meat eating! my attitude

to vaccines, modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs!

I personally couldn't be involved with someone who hunted and had such a totally different stand on issues than I do. I am a vegan and this is a big part of my value system. In fact I once "almost" had a date with a guy who felt much the same as your friend. When he learned more about me, HE was the one who said it could never work because our outlook on life and value were in opposition. I had to agree with him and we didn't pursue the relationship. This would cause major problems down the road...and not far down the road. I can disagree with someone and agree to disagree, but when it comes to my value system, I can't compromise in a partnership relationship. As just a friend..that's fine. But as a partner...nope.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

There is someone else out there for you who is better ... May not have your beliefs but will respect them.. as you will theirs.

I agree. This person has already stated upfront that he doesn't value your beliefs and that's a red flag right there. Don't pursue a relationship with this person out of a belief in scarcity. Find someone who you respect and are compatible with and they respect and honor you. And that other person IS out there waiting to meet you. Just believe it.

Gloria

[Guest guest]

Hey Persian, great to hear from you again.

I know it's hard with different beleif systems. Believe me, I know!

But if you are not pushing yours on him, and if he is not pushing his

on you, that would be a good thing. Opposites can exist together, as

long as there is respect for the other as an individual.

I live my life, the way I feel our Creator is intending me at this

place on my Path. If others join me on my path, even for a short

walk, I cherish their company. If they desire to continue on this

path, then I encourage them as best I can. If they decide a different

path is better for them, then I respect them and encourage them with

all that I have in me.

We can only live our own lives for ourselves. We cannot live

another's life for them.

Jeeze, where do I come up with this stuff???? And it's only 4:00 am.

Anyway, I pray that you will find a balance in this situation, one

that you are content with.

As always.....

Peace, love, laughter

And we should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at

least once. And we should call every truth false which was not

accompanied by at least one laugh.

>

> Hi all,

>

> I have rejoined the list last month just to read and catch up

[Guest guest]

i had a boyfriend (a pompous a$$) at one time like this. he was

always putting me down for my lack, and when i spoke to my therapist

of this, he replied... " there is a difference between education and

intelligence...he is educated and u are intelligent! " he was an

excellent...and when someone asked what his credentials were, he

replied, " i know how to do it. " imo, credentials prove nothing. so,

if he leaves, u've been spared.

diana

--- In health , Lillsie <lillsiecat@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>

> I have rejoined the list last month just to read and catch up but since

> then, just this week, the

> person I met not long ago and really like has told me he cannot ever

> be really close to me because of our major differences.

> He lists these as hunting! meat eating! my attitude

> to vaccines, modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs!

> As I am vegan and use herbs and other natural therapies

> you can see where I am coming from. To make things worse

> he has degrees/qualifications, although a long time ago, in

> various mainstream health subjects and he used to be a surgical nurse

> many years ago and he also has some qualifications in

> immunology and physiology. He considers pharmaceutical drugs

> to be progress in medicine and has stocks of the some anti bird

> flu drug in his fridge and says he will be first in line for the

> vaccination for it.

> Do you think I should just give up? He says he cannot take seriously

> anything I say as I am not qualified! ( At this point I can hear you

asking

> -what the hell does she see in him!). He believes qualifications equals

> knowledge. OK I am beginning to wonder too now

> Just thought I would throw this at you all for any comments,

> Hugs and best regards, Persian.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Of course no one has dared say the "a" word - abuse. What he is doing is mental and emotional abuse. Take it from an experienced person!

Shari

[Guest guest]

Persian, Suzi is right. Regardless

of his education or beliefs, he should be able to respect a friend much less a

partner in hers. If he feels he knows so much more than you perhaps he

would be willing teach you what he knows and in return you could teach

him? He sounds egotistical and immature to me. No one should

consider themselves a “know it all” in medicine or in life, there

is just too much to learn. You tell him I said when he gets a degree in

human relations perhaps he could graduate from the 3rd Grade and

actually qualify as your significant other J

Janet

From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of Suzanne

Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007

11:52 PM

health

Subject: Re:

Re: Issues

Hey Persian,

Trust me when I say unless one of you change some it will never

work. It is one thing if a person respects your beliefs but does not want

to change.. It is another when they do not respect at all.

There is someone else out there for you who is better ... May not have

your beliefs but will respect them.. as you will theirs.

Suzi

Lillsie

<lillsiecat (DOT) co.nz> wrote:

Hi all,

I have rejoined the list last month just to read and catch up but since

then, just this week, the

person I met not long ago and really like has told me he cannot ever

be really close to me because of our major differences.

He lists these as hunting! meat eating! my attitude

to vaccines, modern medicine and pharmaceutical drugs!

As I am vegan and use herbs and other natural therapies

you can see where I am coming from. To make things worse

he has degrees/qualifications, although a long time ago, in

various mainstream health subjects and he used to be a surgical nurse

many years ago and he also has some qualifications in

immunology and physiology. He considers pharmaceutical drugs

to be progress in medicine and has stocks of the some anti bird

flu drug in his fridge and says he will be first in line for the

vaccination for it.

Do you think I should just give up? He says he cannot take seriously

anything I say as I am not qualified! ( At this point I can hear you asking

-what the hell does she see in him!). He believes qualifications equals

knowledge. OK I am beginning to wonder too now

Just thought I would throw this at you all for any comments,

Hugs and best regards, Persian.

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Alyce,

You make some valid points, but.....since Candyce is young, she needs guidance

from an adult, and particularly a parent. Is she even aware that counseling

might be available, that it could be provided by your funding (assuming it

could) or from a source that wouldn't cost? Yes, it is a sensitive

subject....but the band won't be successful unless it is addressed and there is

a resulting behavior change.

dan

" Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. "

-- Will

www.mylapband.tk or www.riverofdata.com

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03

355/323/210/190

Issues

>Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that she has issues

and

>needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it in different

ways.

>It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the best we can

without

>causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look inside

herself and

>learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void, but I had to

come upon

>that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce because we saw

her

>heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now, even though

it is

>just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to choose a

healthy lifestyle in

>order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen so much

>improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at times. Alyce

>

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Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling. She is mature

for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends drink, etc, has strong

faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support group some day, I

think she would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own

choices, maybe she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board

about counseling and I understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is

it because Candyce is 17 that this keeps coming up? Alyce

Issues

>Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that she has issues

and

>needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it in different

ways.

>It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the best we can

without

>causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look inside herself

and

>learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void, but I had to come

upon

>that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce because we saw her

>heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now, even though it

is

>just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to choose a healthy

lifestyle in

>order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen so much

>improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at times. Alyce

>

>___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

>___________ ______

>Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know.

>Ask your question on www.Answers.

>

[Guest guest]

Alyce, I believe that every one of us has eating issues, or we would

not have eaten to the point of so harming our health with overeating -

to the point of morbid-obesity. My therapist has been invaluable,

and I feel is a large reason why i have done fairly well.

I recommend therapy for everyone, to the point where some surely are

sick of reading it! :-)

It's not Candyce's age at all - we are SO happy that she has a chance

to totally turn her life around, before it is wrecked by obesity. I

bet ALL of us would give anything to have been banded at her age, and

prevent all the misery, disability and illness, hurt, and mental

anguish that we all all seen and suffered as obese people.

We just want her to get every possible benefit from banding and a

chance at a better life!

Sandy R

>

> Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling.

She is mature for her age, makes good choices, even though her

friends drink, etc, has strong faith, good grades. I would like her

to join this support group some day, I think she would learn so

much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own choices, maybe

she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board about

counseling and I understand why, so are you all getting counseling.

Or is it because Candyce is 17 that this keeps coming up? Alyce

>

>

> Issues

>

> >Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that she

has issues and

> >needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it in

different ways.

> >It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the best

we can without

> >causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look

inside herself and

> >learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void, but

I had to come upon

> >that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce because

we saw her

> >heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now,

even though it is

> >just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to choose

a healthy lifestyle in

> >order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen so

much

> >improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at times.

Alyce

>

> >

> >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> >___________ ______

> >Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know.

> >Ask your question on www.Answers.

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Alyce, I only wish that there were a decent therapist in our area.

Someone who would be able to help with all the " issues. " I have

asked the doctor and support group leader many times if they've ever

heard of anyone who has been helping with this. The answer is always

no, yet they themselves agree that we really are in need. If a good

therapist came on the scene here, I can assure you they'd be

swamped. I especially see a lot of need with those who chose the

bypass. As far as Candyce being young, this is the perfect time to

resolve the few issues she may have. I wish it were available for my

son when he was banded and now for my soon to be 13 yr old daughter

who is already considering it. I don't know that they'd be very

agreeable to doing it, but I would definitely encourage or attend

with them. I think it may be a bit of an embarrasing subject with

teens, and even for us sometimes. Remember, this is your business

and no one has to know about it. I know I can sound like a broken

record in this area, but the personal decisions we make in life

really effect us and our families, not anyone else. It only makes

for a better understanding as to why we do the things we do. Happy

for her success thus far. You are doing a great job as her mom.

Carol

> >

> > Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling.

> She is mature for her age, makes good choices, even though her

> friends drink, etc, has strong faith, good grades. I would like

her

> to join this support group some day, I think she would learn so

> much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own choices,

maybe

> she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board about

> counseling and I understand why, so are you all getting

counseling.

> Or is it because Candyce is 17 that this keeps coming up? Alyce

> >

> >

> > Issues

> >

> > >Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that

she

> has issues and

> > >needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it

in

> different ways.

> > >It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the

best

> we can without

> > >causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look

> inside herself and

> > >learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void,

but

> I had to come upon

> > >that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce

because

> we saw her

> > >heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now,

> even though it is

> > >just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to

choose

> a healthy lifestyle in

> > >order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen

so

> much

> > >improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at

times.

> Alyce

> >

> > >

> > >___________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __

> > >___________ ______

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> > >Ask your question on www.Answers.

> >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My recommendations for counseling go for ALL of us. Almost every one of us has

some combination of bad habits (eating too fast, cleaning our plate, etc) and

emotional reasons (mother made me eat, I'm depressed, I'm on my period, if I'm

fat the boys/girls won't bother me, I'm someone who sets myself up for failure,

I'm happy, I'm at a wedding, I'm at a funeral, etc, etc....both good and bad

reasons).

Some of the reasons are obvious, many of them aren't. I had an injury on

Saturday and was VERY depressed because of it (won't bother with details unless

you really care), and ate pasta twice (and large quantities of it, with alfredo

sauce that made it slide right down), at KFC, went to ice cream shops for

sundaes twice, etc, etc, etc. Gained four pounds. Big surprise. But I KNOW

why I did it, I'm past it, and I'm back to normal.

I've had both formal counseling, and also from being 17 years clean and sober

(as of Monday), I learned a great deal about my emotional issues from AA, and

had what was probably an easier time than many, at least on the emotional

issues. Habits are still there and I struggle with some of them every blasted

day.

So, no, it isn't just because she's a teenager.

dan

" Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. "

-- Will

www.mylapband.tk or www.riverofdata.com

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03

355/323/210/190

Re: Issues

>Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling. She is

mature

>for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends drink, etc, has

strong

>faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support group some day, I

think she

>would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own choices,

maybe

>she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board about

counseling and I

>understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is it because Candyce

is 17

>that this keeps coming up? Alyce

[Guest guest]

Thanks Carol, being a mom is hard at this stage. I have two teen boys going

down a destructive social path, and then I look at Candyce who makes such good

decisions, but has a food addition. Who needs counseling more, I think we all

need it. They are all great kids with a mom and dad who love them and it is

hard to watch them find their place, but at some point I have learned to let go

after my advice gets old for them. We are going for Candyce's 3rd fill next

Monday, she is excited. She is really watching what she is eating because the

restriction is'nt at it's best. I really hope for your daughter's sake she does

get the lap band, because I watch Candyce now and even at 28 lb loss she has so

much hope. She auditioned at the college for a theater scholarship and was

worried about her weight, but was given the scholarship immediately after the

audition and they were thrilled to have her on board. It somewhat redeemed her

from past prejudice's of past judges. I hope

you and your family well with the band, and I thank God for the Kuri team and

the band. I talked to a friend who said the band is 52000.00 in New York. I am

sorry but that is a starter house where we are from. Best wishes Alyce

Issues

> >

> > >Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that

she

> has issues and

> > >needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it

in

> different ways.

> > >It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the

best

> we can without

> > >causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look

> inside herself and

> > >learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void,

but

> I had to come upon

> > >that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce

because

> we saw her

> > >heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now,

> even though it is

> > >just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to

choose

> a healthy lifestyle in

> > >order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen

so

> much

> > >improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at

times.

> Alyce

> >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

Dan,

congratulations for you " other 17 years of recovery " !!!!!

I attended Alonon for 15 years...is a day at the time.....and yes, I do need

to surrended quiet often still.

Stress gets me too. Glad you are back to normal.

Lidia

Dan Lester <honu@...> wrote:

My recommendations for counseling go for ALL of us. Almost every one

of us has some combination of bad habits (eating too fast, cleaning our plate,

etc) and emotional reasons (mother made me eat, I'm depressed, I'm on my period,

if I'm fat the boys/girls won't bother me, I'm someone who sets myself up for

failure, I'm happy, I'm at a wedding, I'm at a funeral, etc, etc....both good

and bad reasons).

Some of the reasons are obvious, many of them aren't. I had an injury on

Saturday and was VERY depressed because of it (won't bother with details unless

you really care), and ate pasta twice (and large quantities of it, with alfredo

sauce that made it slide right down), at KFC, went to ice cream shops for

sundaes twice, etc, etc, etc. Gained four pounds. Big surprise. But I KNOW why I

did it, I'm past it, and I'm back to normal.

I've had both formal counseling, and also from being 17 years clean and sober

(as of Monday), I learned a great deal about my emotional issues from AA, and

had what was probably an easier time than many, at least on the emotional

issues. Habits are still there and I struggle with some of them every blasted

day.

So, no, it isn't just because she's a teenager.

dan

" Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. "

-- Will

www.mylapband.tk or www.riverofdata.com

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03

355/323/210/190

Re: Issues

>Options have been given to her and she does not want counseling. She is mature

>for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends drink, etc, has strong

>faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support group some day, I

think she

>would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her own choices,

maybe

>she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board about counseling

and I

>understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is it because Candyce is

17

>that this keeps coming up? Alyce

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alyce, I don't know how old your sons are. But I had a very self destructive

daughter who is now 23, what a turn around she has made.. Good luck!!

Patty

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Re: Re: Issues

Thanks Carol, being a mom is hard at this stage. I have two teen boys going down

a destructive social path, and then I look at Candyce who makes such good

decisions, but has a food addition. Who needs counseling more, I think we all

need it. They are all great kids with a mom and dad who love them and it is hard

to watch them find their place, but at some point I have learned to let go after

my advice gets old for them. We are going for Candyce's 3rd fill next Monday,

she is excited. She is really watching what she is eating because the

restriction is'nt at it's best. I really hope for your daughter's sake she does

get the lap band, because I watch Candyce now and even at 28 lb loss she has so

much hope. She auditioned at the college for a theater scholarship and was

worried about her weight, but was given the scholarship immediately after the

audition and they were thrilled to have her on board. It somewhat redeemed her

from past prejudice's of past judges. I hope

you and your family well with the band, and I thank God for the Kuri team and

the band. I talked to a friend who said the band is 52000.00 in New York. I am

sorry but that is a starter house where we are from. Best wishes Alyce

Issues

> >

> > >Thanks Lidia, I am careful with Candyce not to point out that

she

> has issues and

> > >needs counseling, because we all have our issues, and handle it

in

> different ways.

> > >It is a sensitive subject and we have to guide and direct the

best

> we can without

> > >causing more problems. My hope is as she matures she will look

> inside herself and

> > >learn the root of overeating. I overeat sugar to fill a void,

but

> I had to come upon

> > >that on my own. Our family chose the lapband with Candyce

because

> we saw her

> > >heading down a destructive path and seeing the joy she has now,

> even though it is

> > >just the beginning it makes it all worth it. But she has to

choose

> a healthy lifestyle in

> > >order to make it successful, and she knows it also. I have seen

so

> much

> > >improvement with her choices, although we all fall short at

times.

> Alyce

> >

> > >

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[Guest guest]

i agree that counseling is a good thing, particularly when bad

behavior is chronic.

however, we mustn't use counseling to navel gaze, or as a safety net

to delay starting the work on our health.

while it can be extremely difficult, one can make a decision to

radically change our behavior (and learn more about why we behaved

badly while we're in the process) and stop doing it. what it takes

is committment. and when we get weak and want to negotiate our

eating to satisfy one of the many demons we carry around and must

feed, we find ourselves in troubled waters. our committment, then

becomes our bridge over troubled waters.

i know this may sound pedantic, but it is the truth. only we can

control our own behavior. and we are all intimately familiar with

our behavior gone wrong in this eating arena.

so, go get counseling if you feel it will help, but in the

meantime, get the commitment going and follow it to your destination.

its time for all of us who have come this far and have invested

ourselves in bandster life, to be proud of this endeavor and the

courage it took to have this appliance installed. this whole act is

one of strength and courage. so we should all be familiar with what

it takes to just decide and go with it.

i hope this is taken in the context of support and kindness. i have

been lambasted on the other board for this kind of support, but I

really believe its the truth and this truth can set us free.

best regards,

>

> My recommendations for counseling go for ALL of us. Almost every

one of us has some combination of bad habits (eating too fast,

cleaning our plate, etc) and emotional reasons (mother made me eat,

I'm depressed, I'm on my period, if I'm fat the boys/girls won't

bother me, I'm someone who sets myself up for failure, I'm happy, I'm

at a wedding, I'm at a funeral, etc, etc....both good and bad

reasons).

>

> Some of the reasons are obvious, many of them aren't. I had an

injury on Saturday and was VERY depressed because of it (won't bother

with details unless you really care), and ate pasta twice (and large

quantities of it, with alfredo sauce that made it slide right down),

at KFC, went to ice cream shops for sundaes twice, etc, etc, etc.

Gained four pounds. Big surprise. But I KNOW why I did it, I'm past

it, and I'm back to normal.

>

> I've had both formal counseling, and also from being 17 years clean

and sober (as of Monday), I learned a great deal about my emotional

issues from AA, and had what was probably an easier time than many,

at least on the emotional issues. Habits are still there and I

struggle with some of them every blasted day.

>

> So, no, it isn't just because she's a teenager.

>

> dan

>

> " Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just

sit there. " -- Will

> www.mylapband.tk or www.riverofdata.com

> Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA

> Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03

> 355/323/210/190

>

> Re: Issues

>

>

> >Options have been given to her and she does not want

counseling. She is mature

> >for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends drink,

etc, has strong

> >faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support group

some day, I think she

> >would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making her

own choices, maybe

> >she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board

about counseling and I

> >understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is it

because Candyce is 17

> >that this keeps coming up? Alyce

>

[Guest guest]

Lovely, Georgie....sniff, sniff.

> >

> > My recommendations for counseling go for ALL of us. Almost every

> one of us has some combination of bad habits (eating too fast,

> cleaning our plate, etc) and emotional reasons (mother made me eat,

> I'm depressed, I'm on my period, if I'm fat the boys/girls won't

> bother me, I'm someone who sets myself up for failure, I'm happy,

I'm

> at a wedding, I'm at a funeral, etc, etc....both good and bad

> reasons).

> >

> > Some of the reasons are obvious, many of them aren't. I had an

> injury on Saturday and was VERY depressed because of it (won't

bother

> with details unless you really care), and ate pasta twice (and

large

> quantities of it, with alfredo sauce that made it slide right

down),

> at KFC, went to ice cream shops for sundaes twice, etc, etc, etc.

> Gained four pounds. Big surprise. But I KNOW why I did it, I'm

past

> it, and I'm back to normal.

> >

> > I've had both formal counseling, and also from being 17 years

clean

> and sober (as of Monday), I learned a great deal about my emotional

> issues from AA, and had what was probably an easier time than many,

> at least on the emotional issues. Habits are still there and I

> struggle with some of them every blasted day.

> >

> > So, no, it isn't just because she's a teenager.

> >

> > dan

> >

> > " Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you

just

> sit there. " -- Will

> > www.mylapband.tk or www.riverofdata.com

> > Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA

> > Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/27/03

> > 355/323/210/190

> >

> > Re: Issues

> >

> >

> > >Options have been given to her and she does not want

> counseling. She is mature

> > >for her age, makes good choices, even though her friends

drink,

> etc, has strong

> > >faith, good grades. I would like her to join this support

group

> some day, I think she

> > >would learn so much. She will be 18 soon and will be making

her

> own choices, maybe

> > >she will go some day. I have been talked a lot on this board

> about counseling and I

> > >understand why, so are you all getting counseling. Or is it

> because Candyce is 17

> > >that this keeps coming up? Alyce

> >

>

[Guest guest]

First of all, Dan..congrats on your 17 years! That is such an astonishing

achievement and you should be very proud of yourself. I so understand

replacing one negative behavior with another. I quit smoking on New Years

Day, 1997, haven't smoked a cigarette not even once, and subsequently gained

50 lbs because I absolutely replaced one negative behavior with another.

Next week I get my band, in 2 months I graduate with my bachelors in

psychology. I completely agree about Cognitive Behavior Therapy and have a

psychologist that I have been working with and will continue to use after

the band. I know there will be emotional things that will come up (just part

of life), but I will learn to cope with them and the band will help. I

haven't ever been a alcohol drinker, taking up smoking again isn't an option

with 3 young kids to be a role model too, so I am not sure what I will

replace it with, but I am hoping it will be exercise. If I have to be

compulsive about something, it might as well be something healthy. I really

love the feeling of endorphins after a good workout, it is in my opinion the

ultimate high. The best part about getting the band is that I KNOW I will be

challenged emotionally not to eat. I am expecting it and have a good support

system here to deal with it. Hubby has always been my eating buddy, we are

co-dependents when it comes from food, but he is getting banded in July. We

are both going to have to have some other form of entertainment and we are

working on that now as we speak. Its going to a be a drastic change, but I

feel that both of us are worth it, and our kids are worth it most of all

because ultimately, there relationship with food will come from our modeling

behavior. I would like the cycle of obesity and food comforting to end with

me. Life is hard enough as it is, why give them something like that to

" weigh " them down. (so to speak!)

Again, congrats to you Dan and for the great psychological advice.I agree

completely..

Misty

[Guest guest]

Dan, this is a wonderful accomplishment!! Congrats! And your band

success is great too - what an inspiration you are!

SAndy R---

In , " Dan Lester " <honu@...> wrote:

>

being 17 years clean and sober (as of Monday>

> dan

[Guest guest]

,

No argument or flaming from me. But I am curious about " the other

board " I keep hearing about. What is it?--if only to keep me from

accidentally joining it ;-) you can tell me privately if you'd prefer.

Thanks,

>

> i agree that counseling is a good thing, particularly when bad

> behavior is chronic.

>

> however, we mustn't use counseling to navel gaze, or as a safety net

> to delay starting the work on our health.

>

[Guest guest]

hi misty,

good luck on your banding. and your husband's in july, as well.

i have a great idea to address your compulsive behavior, particularly

since you and your husband are alike in this area and are enablers or

co-dependant.

and here it is. are you ready? everytime either one of you feels

compelled to do something unhealthy to replace eating, or cheating

with food you shouldn't have, MAKE LOVE TO EACH OTHER.!!!!!you will

get

1. lots of excercise

2. a great diversion from compulsion

3. lots of fun!!!!!!

This could be the subject of the next diet book. maybe i'll write

it. do you think a one page book would sell very well?

george

>

> First of all, Dan..congrats on your 17 years! That is such an

astonishing

> achievement and you should be very proud of yourself. I so

understand

> replacing one negative behavior with another. I quit smoking on New

Years

> Day, 1997, haven't smoked a cigarette not even once, and

subsequently gained

> 50 lbs because I absolutely replaced one negative behavior with

another.

> Next week I get my band, in 2 months I graduate with my bachelors in

> psychology. I completely agree about Cognitive Behavior Therapy and

have a

> psychologist that I have been working with and will continue to use

after

> the band. I know there will be emotional things that will come up

(just part

> of life), but I will learn to cope with them and the band will

help. I

> haven't ever been a alcohol drinker, taking up smoking again isn't

an option

> with 3 young kids to be a role model too, so I am not sure what I

will

> replace it with, but I am hoping it will be exercise. If I have to

be

> compulsive about something, it might as well be something healthy.

I really

> love the feeling of endorphins after a good workout, it is in my

opinion the

> ultimate high. The best part about getting the band is that I KNOW

I will be

> challenged emotionally not to eat. I am expecting it and have a

good support

> system here to deal with it. Hubby has always been my eating buddy,

we are

> co-dependents when it comes from food, but he is getting banded in

July. We

> are both going to have to have some other form of entertainment and

we are

> working on that now as we speak. Its going to a be a drastic

change, but I

> feel that both of us are worth it, and our kids are worth it most

of all

> because ultimately, there relationship with food will come from our

modeling

> behavior. I would like the cycle of obesity and food comforting to

end with

> me. Life is hard enough as it is, why give them something like that

to

> " weigh " them down. (so to speak!)

>

>

>

> Again, congrats to you Dan and for the great psychological advice.I

agree

> completely..

>

>

>

> Misty

>

>

>

>