RE: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

[Guest guest]

It's not true that there are single rules for all mailing lists. Top

posting is preferred explicitly by many groups. I prefer it unless someone

is interleaving responses with quoted comments or questions. I think

taking umbrage over the way people post is pretty much futile.

I also agree with the person who noted that digests are usually more hassle

than they are worth-- you always have to cut/paste a subject line to

respond, and definitely do not want to quote the whole digest so must cut

out the text needed. I prefer: set my group preference to receive

individual emails and set up my email program on my computer so that each

of my groups filters into its own mailbox. Then I always know which group

I'm in and can skip reading, save for reading later, or mass delete very

easily.

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At 06:15 PM 2/12/2010, you wrote:

>So, I have been around a long time, but I never knew that about 'top

>posting' - which I am doing right now. I do it because then the most

>current comment is at the top, and if you need to refresh your memory, the

>responded-to info is available below, but to me it is much easier to

>follow with the newer info on top! In fact, if there is a large amount of

>quoted material at the top, I am likely to miss the new comment at the

>bottom! But, I looked it up, and it is definitely more polite to do it

>that way. I don't think I will like it any better when I see it, but at

>least I know why it is done now.

>

> Beth in MN

~~~ There is no way to peace; peace is the way ~~~~

--A.J. Muste

[Guest guest]

One problem is i think. If you hit " reply to group " , the previous

messages do not appear, so there is nothing to trim. To be able to trim one

must hit " reply via webpost " , then delete all the text you want. The text that

appears is not the entire thread but one or two on the subject you are replying

to.

>

> ,

> Do you know how to highlight text?

> In the reply window, that's what I do---highlight older, uneeded text and then

delete it. Then proceed to post a reply to what's left.

> Hope that helps.

> Judy

>

>

[Guest guest]

thanks steph it is easier for us newbies

belinda

iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:06:01 -0500Subject: Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

Thanks for your support.

Steph

Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

ladybugsandbees wrote:> > > But for me - I can't read all the posts and it helps to have history - > enough to understand - available quickly so I can address things as I > have time.\> > Steph> Your history is available on the group's web page. It is called an archive just for that reason. Or you can have your email program set up so that all messages from a group are delivered to a folder just for that purpose.Years ago it was just proper net etiquette to trim posts, same as it was polite to post in plain text and not to top post but anymore nobody seems to care about being polite.Cyndi

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I'm not sure who made up this net etiquette and when because I've been online since the late 90's and have always top posted and have never trimmed a post or even heard that it is now supposed to be impolite. The only thing that has been around since the beginning is that typing in all caps is yelling LOL

Engtovo

From: Beth MN

Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 5:15 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

So, I have been around a long time, but I never knew that about 'top posting' - which I am doing right now. I do it because then the most current comment is at the top, and if you need to refresh your memory, the responded-to info is available below, but to me it is much easier to follow with the newer info on top! In fact, if there is a large amount of quoted material at the top, I am likely to miss the new comment at the bottom! But, I looked it up, and it is definitely more polite to do it that way. I don't think I will like it any better when I see it, but at least I know why it is done now. Beth in MN> > Your history is available on the group's web page. It is called an > archive just for that reason. Or you can have your email program set up > so that all messages from a group are delivered to a folder just for > that purpose.> > Years ago it was just proper net etiquette to trim posts, same as it was > polite to post in plain text and not to top post but anymore nobody > seems to care about being polite.> > Cyndi>

[Guest guest]

I was mostly interested to learn exactly what 'top posting' was, and that there

was any actual rule about that, but wikipedia enlightened me. I only knew from

my personal preference that I prefer it when the newest comments are on top, and

wondered why some people put them on the bottom. I have not run into a list

where anyone has said anything about it, and see the newer comments on top more

often than not.

I like the digest, because I have a fair number of groups, so it is easy get a

quick look at activity in one email, and I send them to folders by category.

But I am using email for this, so maybe digest works better there than

with some other clients. I always reply via web, so it is easy to trim.

It sounds like we all have our own situations that make certain things work

better for each of us, and I learn a lot by people discussing their issues, and

how they handle them.

Beth in MN

>

> It's not true that there are single rules for all mailing lists. Top

> posting is preferred explicitly by many groups. I prefer it unless someone

> is interleaving responses with quoted comments or questions. I think

> taking umbrage over the way people post is pretty much futile.

>

> I also agree with the person who noted that digests are usually more hassle

> than they are worth-- you always have to cut/paste a subject line to

> respond, and definitely do not want to quote the whole digest so must cut

> out the text needed. I prefer: set my group preference to receive

> individual emails and set up my email program on my computer so that each

> of my groups filters into its own mailbox. Then I always know which group

> I'm in and can skip reading, save for reading later, or mass delete very

> easily.

>

[Guest guest]

For me belonging to this group is like being invited to somebody's house. They make the rules. And if you have any problems with that common politeness requires that the problem is dealt with directly with the hostess not ask the other guests what they think!

This is a forum, with an owner, not a democractic organisation. The hostess gets to decide the rules in her own house.

ly we are all getting something very good for nothing here. I can't understand this pettiness about trimming or not trimming posts. It sounds like a load of bureaucratic rubbish. Why is Steph's time being wasted dealing with this trouble making?

What next? A thread about what fonts we should be using? Or what colour the print should be? If trimming or not trimming is keeping you awake at night, may be you should just get a life.

MacGilchrist

From: BELINDA CARR <pinqlady57@...>iodine Sent: Sat, 13 February, 2010 3:15:58Subject: RE: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

thanks steph it is easier for us newbiesbelinda

iodinegroups (DOT) comFrom: ladybugsandbees@ sbcglobal. netDate: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:06:01 -0500Subject: Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

Thanks for your support.

Steph

Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

ladybugsandbees wrote:> > > But for me - I can't read all the posts and it helps to have history - > enough to understand - available quickly so I can address things as I > have time.\> > Steph> Your history is available on the group's web page. It is called an archive just for that reason. Or you can have your email program set up so that all messages from a group are delivered to a folder just for that purpose.Years ago it was just proper net etiquette to trim posts, same as it was polite to post in plain text and not to top post but anymore nobody seems to care about being polite.Cyndi

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[Guest guest]

I'm with you on this one---I belong to lots of and 95% like you to trim your posts.........this one doesn't, it's a rarity........She asked a question---I don't know why everyone JUMPED on her---downright not friendly.....

Blessings, Margaret"We are not held back by the love we didn't receive in the past, but by the love we're not extending in the present." nne on

[Guest guest]

Personally, if all the other posts are gone...the most recent one is more than likely not even understood....I do not mind having the others hanging on. Of course if the post is tacked on to the end of a group email....that makes it difficult....I like when the newest is the top one.

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iodine From: s.macgilxrist@...Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:20:01 -0800Subject: Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

For me belonging to this group is like being invited to somebody's house. They make the rules. And if you have any problems with that common politeness requires that the problem is dealt with directly with the hostess not ask the other guests what they think!

This is a forum, with an owner, not a democractic organisation. The hostess gets to decide the rules in her own house.

ly we are all getting something very good for nothing here. I can't understand this pettiness about trimming or not trimming posts. It sounds like a load of bureaucratic rubbish. Why is Steph's time being wasted dealing with this trouble making?

What next? A thread about what fonts we should be using? Or what colour the print should be? If trimming or not trimming is keeping you awake at night, may be you should just get a life.

MacGilchrist

From: BELINDA CARR <pinqlady57hotmail>iodine Sent: Sat, 13 February, 2010 3:15:58Subject: RE: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

thanks steph it is easier for us newbiesbelinda

iodinegroups (DOT) comFrom: ladybugsandbees@ sbcglobal. netDate: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 19:06:01 -0500Subject: Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

Thanks for your support.

Steph

Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

ladybugsandbees wrote:> > > But for me - I can't read all the posts and it helps to have history - > enough to understand - available quickly so I can address things as I > have time.\> > Steph> Your history is available on the group's web page. It is called an archive just for that reason. Or you can have your email program set up so that all messages from a group are delivered to a folder just for that purpose.Years ago it was just proper net etiquette to trim posts, same as it was polite to post in plain text and not to top post but anymore nobody seems to care about being polite.Cyndi

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[Guest guest]

Amen! , I agree with you! Judy

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> But for me - I can't read all the posts and it helps to have history -

> >>>> enough to understand - available quickly so I can address things as I

> >>>> have time.\

> >>>>

> >>>> Steph

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>Your history is available on the group's web page. It is called an

> >>>archive just for that reason. Or you can have your email program set up

> >>>so that all messages from a group are delivered to a folder just for

> >>>that purpose.

> >>>

> >>>Years ago it was just proper net etiquette to trim posts, same as it was

> >>>polite to post in plain text and not to top post but anymore nobody

> >>>seems to care about being polite.

> >>>

> >>>Cyndi

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

I have always top posted but have been critized by the " elitist " back in the

90's.

I have also tried to trim when replying. Like this one by using <snip>.

What are the A's at the beginnings of each sentence in the posts now-a-days?

> >

> > For me belonging to this group is like being invited to somebody's house. 

They make the rules. And if you have any problems with that common politeness

requires that the problem is dealt with directly with the hostess not ask the

other guests what they think! 

> > This is a forum, with an owner, not a democractic organisation.  The

hostess gets to decide the rules in her own house.

> > ly we are all getting something very good for nothing here.  I can't

understand this pettiness about trimming or not trimming posts.  It sounds like

a load of bureaucratic rubbish. Why is Steph's time being wasted dealing with

this trouble making?

> > What next?  A thread about what fonts we should be using?  Or what colour

the print should be?  If trimming or not trimming is keeping you awake at

night, may be you should just get a life.

> > MacGilchrist

> >

> > <snip>

[Guest guest]

I am not trying to engage in any troublemaking, and I am sorry if I have somehow

increased your frustration level. The only reason I even mentioned trimming is

because it is very easy to do it the way I do it, in case someone else was

wondering how to go about it, as evidenced by other conversations I am seeing.

I am sorry to have upset you, and will drop the subject right now!

Beth in MN

>

> For me belonging to this group is like being invited to somebody's house. 

They make the rules. And if you have any problems with that common politeness

requires that the problem is dealt with directly with the hostess not ask the

other guests what they think! 

> This is a forum, with an owner, not a democractic organisation.  The hostess

gets to decide the rules in her own house.

> ly we are all getting something very good for nothing here.  I can't

understand this pettiness about trimming or not trimming posts.  It sounds like

a load of bureaucratic rubbish. Why is Steph's time being wasted dealing with

this trouble making?

> What next?  A thread about what fonts we should be using?  Or what colour

the print should be?  If trimming or not trimming is keeping you awake at

night, may be you should just get a life.

> MacGilchrist

>

[Guest guest]

I hate to have to say it, but the response to Beth seems uncalled for to the point of being mean.

I'm doing the iodine protocol and certainly I applaud for all her work on this site. People come here for support not obnoxious objections to their comments or questions.

Personally, I'd like to see guidelines enforced about the tone of responses. Just my opinion. I think everyone needs to feel safe.

From: Beth MN <mbdawso@...>iodine Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 9:40:17 AMSubject: Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

I am not trying to engage in any troublemaking, and I am sorry if I have somehow increased your frustration level. The only reason I even mentioned trimming is because it is very easy to do it the way I do it, in case someone else was wondering how to go about it, as evidenced by other conversations I am seeing.I am sorry to have upset you, and will drop the subject right now! Beth in MN>> For me belonging to this group is like being invited to somebody's house. They make the rules. And if you have any problems with that common politeness requires that the problem is dealt with directly with the hostess not ask the other guests what they think! > This is a forum, with an owner, not a democractic

organisation. The hostess gets to decide the rules in her own house.> ly we are all getting something very good for nothing here. I can't understand this pettiness about trimming or not trimming posts. It sounds like a load of bureaucratic rubbish. Why is Steph's time being wasted dealing with this trouble making?> What next? A thread about what fonts we should be using? Or what colour the print should be? If trimming or not trimming is keeping you awake at night, may be you should just get a life.> MacGilchrist>

[Guest guest]



Is it just me...or have we exhausted this topic? Let's get back to Iodine, eh? =-)

Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

I am not trying to engage in any troublemaking, and I am sorry if I have somehow increased your frustration level. The only reason I even mentioned trimming is because it is very easy to do it the way I do it, in case someone else was wondering how to go about it, as evidenced by other conversations I am seeing.I am sorry to have upset you, and will drop the subject right now! Beth in MN>> For me belonging to this group is like being invited to somebody's house. They make the rules. And if you have any problems with that common politeness requires that the problem is dealt with directly with the hostess not ask the other guests what they think! > This is a forum, with an owner, not a democractic organisation. The hostess gets to decide the rules in her own house.> ly we are all getting something very good for nothing here. I can't understand this pettiness about trimming or not trimming posts. It sounds like a load of bureaucratic rubbish. Why is Steph's time being wasted dealing with this trouble making?> What next? A thread about what fonts we should be using? Or what colour the print should be? If trimming or not trimming is keeping you awake at night, may be you should just get a life.> MacGilchrist>

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Would you please Unsubscribe me? Thank you. Sincerely, Jude Joerg iodine From: ladybugsandbees@...Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:01:30 -0500Subject: Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?  I choose not to enforce trimming because I hate to do it. I do trim the long replies out of courtesy but I don't want to be militant about it like on other groups I am on. Just my personal preference. If it is too hard in digest then reading from the web is an option. Steph Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts? In the context that most people know better than to walk on the center line of the freeway wearing dark clothes at night, yesBruce----- Original Message ----- From: MacGilchristSo you know what most of us think? MacG.Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.

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Engtovo, going back to my first Internet server provider, there was only one at

the time - around 1990, Prodigy, which was followed about a year later by AOL

(they had to be bought separately from computers - as computers were mostly for

word processing, Internet did not come with the computer - LOL).

Most (if not all) groups on those servers posted netiquette rules, one of the

top ones being to trim posts.

It certainly made sense to me, and still makes sense to me - especially because

I'm on digest with, at times, up to six groups in my email. So if posts aren't

trimmed I get the whole digest with each person replying that way. - & of

course getting individual emails would be intolerable, deleting email after

email, sometimes a hundred or more per day.

Still, I've never heard it was improper to top post (never even heard the term

before) and don't see why anyone would object to that, as it's the best way to

see that someone is replying to the most recent post. I wouldn't know how to

not top post.

As for replying to this group, my server doesn't even give me the post I'm

replying to, in my reply. So I'm forced to remember the subject line and redo

it in my reply, and make some comment about what I'm replying to - or I can cut

and paste the original comment into my reply which is usually a little bit of

work.

My preference is to see people trim all posts except the one they are replying

to, and if they're on digest, to make sure they don't post the whole digest.

Best,

Connie

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oh yes I recall prodigy LOL I wasn't online during the bulletin board days but my brother was, I had a computer though I've been at it since dos and the lovely all black screen and sorta whitish green print. Trimming posts on the bulletin board though was more a matter of such limited bandwidth, once regular internet hit in the late 90's people pretty much abandoned those ideas at least for a while apparently. I've never been on a list that was concerned with it and I've owned a list for over 10 years so I just find it kind of humorous that it all happened while I wasn't paying attention.

Of course I am not a big believer in 80% of supposed etiquette in regular life. There is a big line between actually being polite and kind and just being controlled by endless rules and laws. It is really the same way I feel about doctors, according to all but an enlightened few we should be terrified about taking iodine. I guess I have always been a bit of a rebel. I just recently switched off digest because some of the posts were too long in digest form so I get how it can be a problem but it really isn't such a big deal. If Steph wanted things trimmed I would respect that because it's her list and I feel this list and the people on it are of enormous value to me, not likely something I would bother doing to stay on most other lists though.

Engtovo

From: Connie

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:13 PM

iodine

Subject: Re: Why doesn't this group trim posts?

Engtovo, going back to my first Internet server provider, there was only one at the time - around 1990, Prodigy, which was followed about a year later by AOL (they had to be bought separately from computers - as computers were mostly for word processing, Internet did not come with the computer - LOL).Most (if not all) groups on those servers posted netiquette rules, one of the top ones being to trim posts. It certainly made sense to me, and still makes sense to me - especially because I'm on digest with, at times, up to six groups in my email. So if posts aren't trimmed I get the whole digest with each person replying that way. - & of course getting individual emails would be intolerable, deleting email after email, sometimes a hundred or more per day.Still, I've never heard it was improper to top post (never even heard the term before) and don't see why anyone would object to that, as it's the best way to see that someone is replying to the most recent post. I wouldn't know how to not top post.As for replying to this group, my server doesn't even give me the post I'm replying to, in my reply. So I'm forced to remember the subject line and redo it in my reply, and make some comment about what I'm replying to - or I can cut and paste the original comment into my reply which is usually a little bit of work.My preference is to see people trim all posts except the one they are replying to, and if they're on digest, to make sure they don't post the whole digest. Best,Connie