Re: Vit C High doses

[Guest guest]

How do you know you couldnt just start with 50mg if you didnt do it? Thinking

you couldnt and knowing you couldnt are 2 different things. Especially in light

of many (including me) that feel better on 50mg than lower dosages.

Regarding the palps: This is a quote from

http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Iodoral.htm

(which i hadnt rememebered until i was comparing the Iodoral with a similar

brand today).

" Subjects on Iodoral® feel warmer in cold environments and that is expected.

However, you will need to cut down the amount of thyroid hormones if you

experience palpitation, anxiety, increased sweating and intolerance to heat. "

So its saying to cut down on thyroid med not iodine.

Cheryl

> > I have heart palps at night and it scares the heck out of me.

> > Doing the Lugols in am- these palps have to dimish and soon,

> > otherwise may quit,just not getting to sleep soon enough.

> > Or will just go back to Armour or Erfa only. Any thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

Bradley is a goldmine of information, he's

the one I got my info from directly on the home

made Liposomal C

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

david kenna wrote:

> Sandy,

> For your info that link you gave will work if the gaps between alobar

> and live journal and

> livejournal and com and at the end html are reduced by one space.

> Thanks

>

[Guest guest]

I tried 25 mg one time only, the first dose I ever

took after getting my Lugol's, and I was in bed

for a week because the detox/Herx symptoms were so

bad. (((Shudder))) It was an in the bed don't want

to ever move again bad. So I thought a more

cautious approach in my case was wise. Just

because it works for you and others to jump right

in with 25 - 50 mg doesn't mean it works the same

way for everybody. It's not one size fits all.

After I recovered a but from that first dose I

restarted with one drop, which is 2.5 mg and

worked my way up from there. It's taken about two

months or maybe a bit longer to work up to 25 mg.

And I still got detox symptoms along the way, even

taking the companion nutrients, which is why I

started the Epsom salr baths:)

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

cheryl_b_1 wrote:

> How do you know you couldnt just start with 50mg if you didnt do it?

> Thinking you couldnt and knowing you couldnt are 2 different things.

> Especially in light of many (including me) that feel better on 50mg than

> lower dosages.

[Guest guest]

Actually, sounds more like viral dieoff than detox. Bad dieoff. You may have had

a really heavy latent viral load. I had dieoff in the beginning, lasted about a

week. The detox started after i reached sufficiency.

And i agree it isnt one size fits all, i was going by what you said about

" knowing " . So basically you think 50mg will cause symptoms, but you dont know,

because you havent taken it. There is a difference.

I do think more is better, but also think for some, slow and steady is good,

too. You may need more salt. Really seems to help.

I think its possible that for many the higher dose is better because besides

killing off virus, bacteria and displacing metals, iodine may also, by having so

much more, help remove the detox material from the body. Just a theory...

Cheryl

>

> I tried 25 mg one time only, the first dose I ever

> took after getting my Lugol's, and I was in bed

> for a week because the detox/Herx symptoms were so

> bad. (((Shudder))) It was an in the bed don't want

> to ever move again bad. So I thought a more

> cautious approach in my case was wise. Just

> because it works for you and others to jump right

> in with 25 - 50 mg doesn't mean it works the same

> way for everybody. It's not one size fits all.

> After I recovered a but from that first dose I

> restarted with one drop, which is 2.5 mg and

> worked my way up from there. It's taken about two

> months or maybe a bit longer to work up to 25 mg.

> And I still got detox symptoms along the way, even

> taking the companion nutrients, which is why I

> started the Epsom salr baths:)

>

> Bethann

[Guest guest]

Good luck Bethann. Keep us posted.

> I'm not promoting them in any way, just found this last night and> investigating.

[Guest guest]

Ya know what? Your reply irritated the daylights

out of me last night and I found that today it

still irritates me. I waited to answer, so I could

cool off as bit.

I don't care whether you were " going " by anything.

And I can pretty much guarantee if I

herxed/detoxed badly at 25 mg then 50 mg would

have been really bad. As I still got a runny nose

and a frontal headache from the 25 mg I took

yesterday. I don't WANT to know what 50 mg would

have done. Capice? I mean if that's alright with you.

Have you even read the Iodine Protocol or the

information at the Breast Cancer site? Just a

suggestion but maybe you should, especially for

detox/herx (or Bromism) symptoms. I'm doing it

exactly the way it's recommended, and the way

everyday common sense would dictate. When there's

a bad reaction, stop for a few days and restart at

a lower dose. But of course you know more than I

do about what is good for me. If you're not ill

with a deadly disease there's really no reason

that anyone should have to jump right in at 25/50

mg a day. No matter what YOU say.

And I really don't owe you an explanation. It's my

body and I don't want, need or require your

approval to proceed in any way I see fit.

Maybe you did not mean it to sound that way, and

that's very possible. But your questions really

come across to me as demanding, as an

interrogation, and your reply implies that you

know more than I do about what is best, and

criticism of the way I chose to proceed. Do not do

that to me again. I wasn't asking for your help,

opinion, or approval. When I need help I know how

to ask for it. And I don't mind comments directed

at me, or even answering questions, but the way

you did it, the tone of it just really ticked me off.

The many and varied people of this group manage to

talk to, and treat one another well. Everyone

seems to get along fine, with a minor disagreement

or misunderstanding here or there, which is really

good for a group of this size. Like I said maybe

you didn't mean it that way, but the way your

questions and comments were phrased really

bothered me.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

cheryl_b_1 wrote:

>

>

> Actually, sounds more like viral dieoff than detox. Bad dieoff. You may

> have had a really heavy latent viral load. I had dieoff in the

> beginning, lasted about a week. The detox started after i reached

> sufficiency.

>

> And i agree it isnt one size fits all, i was going by what you said

> about " knowing " . So basically you think 50mg will cause symptoms, but

> you dont know, because you havent taken it. There is a difference.

>

> I do think more is better, but also think for some, slow and steady is

> good, too. You may need more salt. Really seems to help.

>

> I think its possible that for many the higher dose is better because

> besides killing off virus, bacteria and displacing metals, iodine may

> also, by having so much more, help remove the detox material from the

> body. Just a theory...

>

> Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Sorry Bethann, you definetly took it wrong. (Check yer adrenals ;-)) And btw,

this makes 2 that you took wrong and jumped on a member...

I wasnt telling you what to do, or how to do it. I was suggesting literal

meanings. Knowing means facts. Thinking means feelings.

Did you not see what i wrote ? Here is a quote from what i said "

" I do think more is better, but also think for some, slow and steady is good,

too. "

But the real point was not whether i think you should take more or not. I was

trying to get you to see that thinking and knowing were 2 different things.

A lot of people " know " something will happen (when they cant know for a fact it

will until its done) when they are actually " thinking " it will happen and I

think that is based on fear. Hard to lose fear that is ingrained in us.

Sorry you were irritated, truly wasnt my intent! Just tried to help. Wont

respond to you again!

Cheryl

>

> Ya know what? Your reply irritated the daylights

> out of me last night and I found that today it

> still irritates me. I waited to answer, so I could

> cool off as bit.

>

> I don't care whether you were " going " by anything.

> And I can pretty much guarantee if I

> herxed/detoxed badly at 25 mg then 50 mg would

> have been really bad. As I still got a runny nose

> and a frontal headache from the 25 mg I took

> yesterday. I don't WANT to know what 50 mg would

> have done. Capice? I mean if that's alright with you.

>

> Have you even read the Iodine Protocol or the

> information at the Breast Cancer site? Just a

> suggestion but maybe you should, especially for

> detox/herx (or Bromism) symptoms. I'm doing it

> exactly the way it's recommended, and the way

> everyday common sense would dictate. When there's

> a bad reaction, stop for a few days and restart at

> a lower dose. But of course you know more than I

> do about what is good for me. If you're not ill

> with a deadly disease there's really no reason

> that anyone should have to jump right in at 25/50

> mg a day. No matter what YOU say.

>

> And I really don't owe you an explanation. It's my

> body and I don't want, need or require your

> approval to proceed in any way I see fit.

>

> Maybe you did not mean it to sound that way, and

> that's very possible. But your questions really

> come across to me as demanding, as an

> interrogation, and your reply implies that you

> know more than I do about what is best, and

> criticism of the way I chose to proceed. Do not do

> that to me again. I wasn't asking for your help,

> opinion, or approval. When I need help I know how

> to ask for it. And I don't mind comments directed

> at me, or even answering questions, but the way

> you did it, the tone of it just really ticked me off.

>

> The many and varied people of this group manage to

> talk to, and treat one another well. Everyone

> seems to get along fine, with a minor disagreement

> or misunderstanding here or there, which is really

> good for a group of this size. Like I said maybe

> you didn't mean it that way, but the way your

> questions and comments were phrased really

> bothered me.

[Guest guest]

Sigh, OK Cheryl.

I am not " jumping " on anyone. I am perhaps a bit

assertive, after years of being a doormat, I now

make it clear when I feel my boundaries are being

broached. And I'm not too concerned with whomever

or how many it might be. The whole point of the

reply was to find out exactly how you meant what

you said and to tell you that I was bothered.

Thank you for your reply. And I already said maybe

you didn't mean it the way I perceived it. I did

not assume. I do not hold things in anymore. I'm

not a quiet polite good little girl anymore

either. So clearing the air is a good thing as far

as I'm concerned. I would certainly hope that

anyone who has questions about my motives, or is

bothered by what I say, feels free to answer me.

And I certainly never said that you couldn't or

shouldn't ever speak to me again. That's just a

tiny bit overboard. Although if that's what you

want to do, then OK. Now that I know where you're

coming from, I won't let your style of replies

bother me. Does that make sense? I've had a few

problems myself in the past. I'm so

straightforward, with a tendency toward sarcasm,

some people see it as rudeness or aggressiveness,

when that is not my intent at all. Life is too

short to beat around the bush. Tact and diplomacy

are definitely not my strong points. It takes a

great deal of concentration and a whole lot of

practice to write things in a way that doesn't

offend people. And there are times when I still

offend people no matter how I write things,

And yeah, it's very possible I'm a little

sensitive because I AM detoxing. I've got a runny

nose and the frontal headache, and the body

lethargy/ache to go with it. It's yucky. I'll have

to back my dose down again.

I'm not exactly timid about taking anything as

long as I know what it is and what it does. So no,

fear has nothing to do with it. It has to do with

a great deal of physical discomfort, LOL, which I

try to avoid ;>

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

cheryl_b_1 wrote:

>

>

> Sorry Bethann, you definetly took it wrong. (Check yer adrenals ;-)) And

> btw, this makes 2 that you took wrong and jumped on a member...

>

> I wasnt telling you what to do, or how to do it. I was suggesting

> literal meanings. Knowing means facts. Thinking means feelings.

>

> Did you not see what i wrote ? Here is a quote from what i said "

>

> " I do think more is better, but also think for some, slow and steady is

> good, too. "

>

> But the real point was not whether i think you should take more or not.

> I was trying to get you to see that thinking and knowing were 2

> different things.

>

> A lot of people " know " something will happen (when they cant know for a

> fact it will until its done) when they are actually " thinking " it will

> happen and I think that is based on fear. Hard to lose fear that is

> ingrained in us.

>

> Sorry you were irritated, truly wasnt my intent! Just tried to help.

> Wont respond to you again!

>

> Cheryl

>

>

> >

> > Ya know what? Your reply irritated the daylights

> > out of me last night and I found that today it

> > still irritates me. I waited to answer, so I could

> > cool off as bit.

> >

> > I don't care whether you were " going " by anything.

> > And I can pretty much guarantee if I

> > herxed/detoxed badly at 25 mg then 50 mg would

> > have been really bad. As I still got a runny nose

> > and a frontal headache from the 25 mg I took

> > yesterday. I don't WANT to know what 50 mg would

> > have done. Capice? I mean if that's alright with you.

> >

> > Have you even read the Iodine Protocol or the

> > information at the Breast Cancer site? Just a

> > suggestion but maybe you should, especially for

> > detox/herx (or Bromism) symptoms. I'm doing it

> > exactly the way it's recommended, and the way

> > everyday common sense would dictate. When there's

> > a bad reaction, stop for a few days and restart at

> > a lower dose. But of course you know more than I

> > do about what is good for me. If you're not ill

> > with a deadly disease there's really no reason

> > that anyone should have to jump right in at 25/50

> > mg a day. No matter what YOU say.

> >

> > And I really don't owe you an explanation. It's my

> > body and I don't want, need or require your

> > approval to proceed in any way I see fit.

> >

> > Maybe you did not mean it to sound that way, and

> > that's very possible. But your questions really

> > come across to me as demanding, as an

> > interrogation, and your reply implies that you

> > know more than I do about what is best, and

> > criticism of the way I chose to proceed. Do not do

> > that to me again. I wasn't asking for your help,

> > opinion, or approval. When I need help I know how

> > to ask for it. And I don't mind comments directed

> > at me, or even answering questions, but the way

> > you did it, the tone of it just really ticked me off.

> >

> > The many and varied people of this group manage to

> > talk to, and treat one another well. Everyone

> > seems to get along fine, with a minor disagreement

> > or misunderstanding here or there, which is really

> > good for a group of this size. Like I said maybe

> > you didn't mean it that way, but the way your

> > questions and comments were phrased really

> > bothered me.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,Unfortunately the pdazzlerdotcom website is down [don't understand why?] which has the instructions but here they are from my files.Any questions feel free to email me.Sandy

Make Your Own Liposomal Encapsulated Vitamin C

In our recent researches evaluating this technology and, consequently,

in searching for possible “process†improvements/modifications which

might facilitate the “lay person†an opportunity for a DIY methodology

achievable in a home environment—we did achieve some notable progress.

First, a brief summary of our exploratory activity. Our literature

searches revealed several companies actively exhibiting valid

capability in this area (LET). Typical, and demonstrably capable, is a

company named MICROTEK. Microteklabs.com Helpful information is available here.

One fact became obvious, early on, to wit: The truly striking feature

of LET was a NATURALLY-occurring characteristic…… and not a man-made

process, that was driving this encapsulation process. That is, this

process is a function of an automatic, “natural tendency†of certain

substances (e.g. phospholipids in this case) to form tiny vacoules or

bubbles—called liposomes—-when in a aqueous solution under certain

conditions. â€

The keystone activity is that these liposomes automatically fill

themselves with whatever aqueous solution they were in—-before they

were formed. “This type of bubble, called a membrane, forms a

protective barrier around virtually every cell in the human body.â€

Livon Labs has perfected a process which employs a high-pressure (1700

p.s.i.) discharge system which directs a liquid stream against a

forming plate. The high impact forces the phospholipids (soy lecithin

in this case) to form liposomes—-so small they require an electrom

microscope for viewing. This technology does not create the LET

activity….it just enhances it. In our personal researches we have

determined the key to exploiting the LET phenomenon appeared to be

Livon’s application of intense force in their mixing methodology.

Enter the “enlightening†moment. Searching for a method of achieving

liposomal encapsulation, it occurred to us to explore ultrasonic

stimulation as an option. It worked…maybe not quite as well as Livon’s

“high tech†brute force approach…but about 70% as well. Plenty

efficient for our purposes. Our vitamin “C†liposomal encapsulation

protocol is as follows:

Using a small (2 cup) Ultrasonic cleaner, (Item #03305, obtainable from

Harbor Freight @ about $30.00), we performed the following:

1. Dissolve 3 level tablespoons of soy lecithin in 1 cup of water (preferably distilled). Note:

This is key to being successful from the start. Mix the lecithin and

distilled water in a seal-able quart jar so you can shake/agitate until

the lecithin is completely dissolved. You don’t want any lecithin

granules visible. Keep agitating until all granules are dissolved.

2. Dissolved 1 level tablespoon of ascorbic acid powder (Vit. “Câ€) in 1/2 cup of water.

3. Poured both solutions together in the ultrasonic cleaner bowl and

turned the unit on. Using a plastic straw (leaving the top of the

cleaner opened), gently, slowly, stirred the contents. Note: The cleaner will, automatically, self-stop about every 2 minutes. Just push ON button to continue.

Repeat for a total of 3 series (6 minutes). By that time the entire

solution should be blended into a cloudy, homogeneous, milk-like

mixture. The LET solution is now formed. Tip:

Pour the dissolved Vitamin C solution into the seal-able quart jar with

the dissolved lecithin and shake briefly prior to pouring into the

ultra-sonic cleaner. If you dissolved your lecithin first as directed

in the note above you will need to close the lid due to bubbling.

Simply open the lid frequently and give the mixture a quick stir before

closing the lid again.

4. This protocol furnishes about 12 grams (12000mg.) of vitamin C

product. At 70% encapsulation efficiency, 8400 mg would be of the LET

type. This solution will keep, acceptably, at room temperature for 3 to

4 days. Refrigerated, it will keep much longer.

Note: You can use the verification test described in comment #3

below to test the efficacy of your Liposomal Vitamin C. If you followed

the tip about completely dissolving the lecithin granules prior to

mixing in the ultrasonic cleaner you should have 75%+ encapsulation.

We use it so fast around our place…there isn’t enough left to be

concerned over storage. The “homogenizing effect†is so powerful that

after 3 days at room temperature, no precipitation or solution

separation appears evident. This type of sequestered vitamin “C†has

demonstrated to be, at least 5 times more effective (per volumetric

measure) than any other form of orally-ingested vitamin “câ€â€¦.that we

have tested.

Additionally, it appears to be even more rapid in tissue-bed availability—-than IV applications.

An astounding revelation….to us. We estimate the DIY researcher can

produce the active LET portion of this solution for 15 cents per

gram….as against about $1.00 per gram from commerci! al sources.

It is my hope that this, limited, explanation of our activities in this area,

is of some value to our do-it-yourself health-maintenance researchers.

In any event, this protocol has demonstrated to be n on-toxic and most

helpful to OUR RESEARCHES.

Sincerely, Bradley.

p.s. A larger, more powerful, ultrasonic cleaner is now available at

Harbor Freight. Item number 91593. 2+ liters, for about $60.00. Both

units have performed quite well for us. Almost as well as our $500.00

lead zirconate titanate, research grade, unit.From: JULIE GRIFFITHS <moppett1@...>Subject: Re: Vit C High dosesiodine Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 12:13 PMSandy,Do you have a website where I can get this?Thanks,>> ->>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------>>> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2656 - Release Date: 01/29/10

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Hi

Before I start making my own Lipo C, I need help to clear out a doubt in my

mind. -How 5gm of vitamin C be enhanced to 50gm in efficacy?

Granted that the oil encapsulation will protect the vit c from stomach acid and

improve absorption, but the maths of increasing the strength 5 or 10 folds

eludes me. Am i missing something here?

>

> From: JULIE GRIFFITHS <moppett1@...>

> Subject: Re: Vit C High doses

> iodine

> Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 12:13 PM

>

> Sandy,

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[Guest guest]

I believe and I may be wrong but what this means is the uptake by your system is 50% more than if you just take C mixed in water taken orally or by IV even. The LET C makes it much more effective to the body.SandyFrom: coleesg <coleesg@...>Subject: Re: Vit C High dosesiodine Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 5:40 AM

Hi

Before I start making my own Lipo C, I need help to clear out a doubt in my mind. -How 5gm of vitamin C be enhanced to 50gm in efficacy?

Granted that the oil encapsulation will protect the vit c from stomach acid and improve absorption, but the maths of increasing the strength 5 or 10 folds eludes me. Am i missing something here?

>

> From: JULIE GRIFFITHS <moppett1@.. .>

> Subject: Re: Vit C High doses

> iodinegroups (DOT) com

> Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 12:13 PM

>

> Sandy,

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[Guest guest]

It wouldn't be more than iv.

One can take a lot orally, spread out through the day.

When one has health issues bowel tolerance to oral goes up a lot as well.

I can't see chasing this aside from interest [that's just me ], and it is

interesting, unless one has a serious illness needing intravenous C and

can't get that or can't afford it.

There is a LOT of good science behind intravenous sodium ascorbate, little

behind this.

Not saying it's bad, just being cautious.

Their is an ascorbyl palmitate that looks interesting as well.

Bruce

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From: Sandy

I believe and I may be wrong but what this means is the uptake by your

system is 50% more than if you just take C mixed in water taken orally or by

IV even. The LET C makes it much more effective to the body.

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Maybe I shouldn't jump in here but this is a public forum.I was chastised for using the word,fear,when I first came on line and was taken the wrong way.So the best thing for me to do was applogize and reveal that I was not here to make anyone angry.I also have been through alot and have suffered more abuses than my mind wants to remember.The thing is,this is one of the reasons why I am in ill health now and I don't think we need to be mean or sarcastic with one another no matter what we've been through.Unforgiveness is just another type of toxin that is detremental to the health.And yes I too need to protect myself, in a peaceful manner.We are all treading common ground,I think we owe it to eachother to be nice.This is the best group of folks that I have ever listened to and I appreciate everyones efforts through their experiences while reaching towards a goal of better health.We should want to be treating eachother with kindness.Looks like has went to a great deal of time and effort to setup and maintain this site.Lets honor her and everyone for their input.Thanks to All for your intellectual knowledge. Pat > iodine > From: yardbirdmail@...> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:29:15 -0600> Subject: Re: Re: Vit C High doses> > Sigh, OK Cheryl.> > I am not "jumping" on anyone. I am perhaps a bit > assertive, after years of being a doormat, I now > make it clear when I feel my boundaries are being > broached. And I'm not too concerned with whomever > or how many it might be. The whole point of the > reply was to find out exactly how you meant what > you said and to tell you that I was bothered. > Thank you for your reply. And I already said maybe > you didn't mean it the way I perceived it. I did > not assume. I do not hold things in anymore. I'm > not a quiet polite good little girl anymore > either. So clearing the air is a good thing as far > as I'm concerned. I would certainly hope that > anyone who has questions about my motives, or is > bothered by what I say, feels free to answer me.> > And I certainly never said that you couldn't or > shouldn't ever speak to me again. That's just a > tiny bit overboard. Although if that's what you > want to do, then OK. Now that I know where you're > coming from, I won't let your style of replies > bother me. Does that make sense? I've had a few > problems myself in the past. I'm so > straightforward, with a tendency toward sarcasm, > some people see it as rudeness or aggressiveness, > when that is not my intent at all. Life is too > short to beat around the bush. Tact and diplomacy > are definitely not my strong points. It takes a > great deal of concentration and a whole lot of > practice to write things in a way that doesn't > offend people. And there are times when I still > offend people no matter how I write things,> > And yeah, it's very possible I'm a little > sensitive because I AM detoxing. I've got a runny > nose and the frontal headache, and the body > lethargy/ache to go with it. It's yucky. I'll have > to back my dose down again.> > I'm not exactly timid about taking anything as > long as I know what it is and what it does. So no, > fear has nothing to do with it. It has to do with > a great deal of physical discomfort, LOL, which I > try to avoid ;>> > Bethann> > "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not > ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge" > ~ Hawking> > cheryl_b_1 wrote:> > > > > > Sorry Bethann, you definetly took it wrong. (Check yer adrenals ;-)) And > > btw, this makes 2 that you took wrong and jumped on a member...> > > > I wasnt telling you what to do, or how to do it. I was suggesting > > literal meanings. Knowing means facts. Thinking means feelings.> > > > Did you not see what i wrote ? Here is a quote from what i said"> > > > "I do think more is better, but also think for some, slow and steady is > > good, too."> > > > But the real point was not whether i think you should take more or not. > > I was trying to get you to see that thinking and knowing were 2 > > different things.> > > > A lot of people "know" something will happen (when they cant know for a > > fact it will until its done) when they are actually "thinking" it will > > happen and I think that is based on fear. Hard to lose fear that is > > ingrained in us.> > > > Sorry you were irritated, truly wasnt my intent! Just tried to help. > > Wont respond to you again!> > > > Cheryl> > > > > > >> > > Ya know what? Your reply irritated the daylights> > > out of me last night and I found that today it> > > still irritates me. I waited to answer, so I could> > > cool off as bit.> > >> > > I don't care whether you were "going" by anything.> > > And I can pretty much guarantee if I> > > herxed/detoxed badly at 25 mg then 50 mg would> > > have been really bad. As I still got a runny nose> > > and a frontal headache from the 25 mg I took> > > yesterday. I don't WANT to know what 50 mg would> > > have done. Capice? I mean if that's alright with you.> > >> > > Have you even read the Iodine Protocol or the> > > information at the Breast Cancer site? Just a> > > suggestion but maybe you should, especially for> > > detox/herx (or Bromism) symptoms. I'm doing it> > > exactly the way it's recommended, and the way> > > everyday common sense would dictate. When there's> > > a bad reaction, stop for a few days and restart at> > > a lower dose. But of course you know more than I> > > do about what is good for me. If you're not ill> > > with a deadly disease there's really no reason> > > that anyone should have to jump right in at 25/50> > > mg a day. No matter what YOU say.> > >> > > And I really don't owe you an explanation. It's my> > > body and I don't want, need or require your> > > approval to proceed in any way I see fit.> > >> > > Maybe you did not mean it to sound that way, and> > > that's very possible. But your questions really> > > come across to me as demanding, as an> > > interrogation, and your reply implies that you> > > know more than I do about what is best, and> > > criticism of the way I chose to proceed. Do not do> > > that to me again. I wasn't asking for your help,> > > opinion, or approval. When I need help I know how> > > to ask for it. And I don't mind comments directed> > > at me, or even answering questions, but the way> > > you did it, the tone of it just really ticked me off.> > >> > > The many and varied people of this group manage to> > > talk to, and treat one another well. Everyone> > > seems to get along fine, with a minor disagreement> > > or misunderstanding here or there, which is really> > > good for a group of this size. Like I said maybe> > > you didn't mean it that way, but the way your> > > questions and comments were phrased really> > > bothered me.> > > > > > > ------------------------------------> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Sure you're welcome to jump in, well from my

perspective anyway.

It's very hard to read emotion from words Pat,

when there's no voice inflection or visible cues.

And some people just have a way of putting words

together that seems a little I dunno what you call

it, demanding maybe? LOL. And with as many people

as there are in this group it takes time to learn

which ones write in certain ways so I know how to

take their comments.

I usually say something about it to find out

exactly what's on that person's mind, they usually

tell me exactly what's on their mind, and then I

forget it. *Shrug* I know for a fact that I write

things in ways that some people might find

upsetting, even though that is never my intention,

and I try very hard not to write things in a way

that can be misconstrued. It took me a very long

time to understand why people would get so upset.

I have had to work very hard on interpersonal

communications as I am so very empirically

oriented. I deal with facts and research much

better than I do with people.

I can identify with the lady on Bones

wholeheartedly every single time she is confused

and bewildered by communications between people.

And because of that fact I often found myself

being used as a verbal doormat. I got tired of it

and just started objecting and straight out asking

what they meant. I had to learn to be assertive

to keep from being run over:) I swear sometimes I

think I've got mild Asperger's. As I said I hope

anyone who gets upset by anything I write in a

post feels free to ask me what I meant. I won't be

offended in the slightest.

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

KENNETH GENTILE wrote:

>

>

> Maybe I shouldn't jump in here but this is a public forum.I was

> chastised for using the word,fear,when I first came on line and was

> taken the wrong way.So the best thing for me to do was applogize and reveal

that I was not here to make anyone angry.I also have been through alot and have

suffered more abuses than my mind wants to remember.

[Guest guest]

Bethann,

While we understand that you don’t want to be a doormat,

you do need to be polite on this site. I felt that you really blasted Cheryl

for her questions, and the other post that was pointed out. We are here to help

each other, and politeness goes a long way. J

Donna in IL

Sigh, OK Cheryl.

I am not " jumping " on anyone. I am perhaps a bit

assertive, after years of being a doormat, I now

make it clear when I feel my boundaries are being

broached. And I'm not too concerned with whomever

or how many it might be. The whole point of the

reply was to find out exactly how you meant what

you said and to tell you that I was bothered.

Thank you for your reply. And I already said maybe

you didn't mean it the way I perceived it. I did

not assume. I do not hold things in anymore. I'm

not a quiet polite good little girl anymore

either. So clearing the air is a good thing as far

as I'm concerned. I would certainly hope that

anyone who has questions about my motives, or is

bothered by what I say, feels free to answer me.

And I certainly never said that you couldn't or

shouldn't ever speak to me again. That's just a

tiny bit overboard. Although if that's what you

want to do, then OK. Now that I know where you're

coming from, I won't let your style of replies

bother me. Does that make sense? I've had a few

problems myself in the past. I'm so

straightforward, with a tendency toward sarcasm,

some people see it as rudeness or aggressiveness,

when that is not my intent at all. Life is too

short to beat around the bush. Tact and diplomacy

are definitely not my strong points. It takes a

great deal of concentration and a whole lot of

practice to write things in a way that doesn't

offend people. And there are times when I still

offend people no matter how I write things,

And yeah, it's very possible I'm a little

sensitive because I AM detoxing. I've got a runny

nose and the frontal headache, and the body

lethargy/ache to go with it. It's yucky. I'll have

to back my dose down again.

I'm not exactly timid about taking anything as

long as I know what it is and what it does. So no,

fear has nothing to do with it. It has to do with

a great deal of physical discomfort, LOL, which I

try to avoid ;>

Bethann

" The greatest enemy of knowledge is not

ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge "

~ Hawking

cheryl_b_1 wrote:

>

>

> Sorry Bethann, you definetly took it wrong. (Check yer adrenals ;-)) And

> btw, this makes 2 that you took wrong and jumped on a member...

>

> I wasnt telling you what to do, or how to do it. I was suggesting

> literal meanings. Knowing means facts. Thinking means feelings.

>

> Did you not see what i wrote ? Here is a quote from what i said "

>

> " I do think more is better, but also think for some, slow and steady

is

> good, too. "

>

> But the real point was not whether i think you should take more or not.

> I was trying to get you to see that thinking and knowing were 2

> different things.

>

> A lot of people " know " something will happen (when they cant

know for a

> fact it will until its done) when they are actually " thinking "

it will

> happen and I think that is based on fear. Hard to lose fear that is

> ingrained in us.

>

> Sorry you were irritated, truly wasnt my intent! Just tried to help.

> Wont respond to you again!

>

> Cheryl

>

>

> >

> > Ya know what? Your reply irritated the daylights

> > out of me last night and I found that today it

> > still irritates me. I waited to answer, so I could

> > cool off as bit.

> >

> > I don't care whether you were " going " by anything.

> > And I can pretty much guarantee if I

> > herxed/detoxed badly at 25 mg then 50 mg would

> > have been really bad. As I still got a runny nose

> > and a frontal headache from the 25 mg I took

> > yesterday. I don't WANT to know what 50 mg would

> > have done. Capice? I mean if that's alright with you.

> >

> > Have you even read the Iodine Protocol or the

> > information at the Breast Cancer site? Just a

> > suggestion but maybe you should, especially for

> > detox/herx (or Bromism) symptoms. I'm doing it

> > exactly the way it's recommended, and the way

> > everyday common sense would dictate. When there's

> > a bad reaction, stop for a few days and restart at

> > a lower dose. But of course you know more than I

> > do about what is good for me. If you're not ill

> > with a deadly disease there's really no reason

> > that anyone should have to jump right in at 25/50

> > mg a day. No matter what YOU say.

> >

> > And I really don't owe you an explanation. It's my

> > body and I don't want, need or require your

> > approval to proceed in any way I see fit.

> >

> > Maybe you did not mean it to sound that way, and

> > that's very possible. But your questions really

> > come across to me as demanding, as an

> > interrogation, and your reply implies that you

> > know more than I do about what is best, and

> > criticism of the way I chose to proceed. Do not do

> > that to me again. I wasn't asking for your help,

> > opinion, or approval. When I need help I know how

> > to ask for it. And I don't mind comments directed

> > at me, or even answering questions, but the way

> > you did it, the tone of it just really ticked me off.

> >

> > The many and varied people of this group manage to

> > talk to, and treat one another well. Everyone

> > seems to get along fine, with a minor disagreement

> > or misunderstanding here or there, which is really

> > good for a group of this size. Like I said maybe

> > you didn't mean it that way, but the way your

> > questions and comments were phrased really

> > bothered me.

>

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Amen

RE: Re: Vit C High doses

Bethann,

While we understand that you don't want to be a doormat, you do need to be polite on this site. I felt that you really blasted Cheryl for her questions, and the other post that was pointed out. We are here to help each other, and politeness goes a long way. J

Donna in IL

Sigh, OK Cheryl.I am not "jumping" on anyone. I am perhaps a bit assertive, after years of being a doormat, I now make it clear when I feel my boundaries are being broached. And I'm not too concerned with whomever or how many it might be. The whole point of the reply was to find out exactly how you meant what you said and to tell you that I was bothered. Thank you for your reply. And I already said maybe you didn't mean it the way I perceived it. I did not assume. I do not hold things in anymore. I'm not a quiet polite good little girl anymore either. So clearing the air is a good thing as far as I'm concerned. I would certainly hope that anyone who has questions about my motives, or is bothered by what I say, feels free to answer me.And I certainly never said that you couldn't or shouldn't ever speak to me again. That's just a tiny bit overboard. Although if that's what you want to do, then OK. Now that I know where you're coming from, I won't let your style of replies bother me. Does that make sense? I've had a few problems myself in the past. I'm so straightforward, with a tendency toward sarcasm, some people see it as rudeness or aggressiveness, when that is not my intent at all. Life is too short to beat around the bush. Tact and diplomacy are definitely not my strong points. It takes a great deal of concentration and a whole lot of practice to write things in a way that doesn't offend people. And there are times when I still offend people no matter how I write things,And yeah, it's very possible I'm a little sensitive because I AM detoxing. I've got a runny nose and the frontal headache, and the body lethargy/ache to go with it. It's yucky. I'll have to back my dose down again.I'm not exactly timid about taking anything as long as I know what it is and what it does. So no, fear has nothing to do with it. It has to do with a great deal of physical discomfort, LOL, which I try to avoid ;>Bethann"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance...it is the illusion of knowledge" ~ Hawkingcheryl_b_1 wrote:> > > Sorry Bethann, you definetly took it wrong. (Check yer adrenals ;-)) And > btw, this makes 2 that you took wrong and jumped on a member...> > I wasnt telling you what to do, or how to do it. I was suggesting > literal meanings. Knowing means facts. Thinking means feelings.> > Did you not see what i wrote ? Here is a quote from what i said"> > "I do think more is better, but also think for some, slow and steady is > good, too."> > But the real point was not whether i think you should take more or not. > I was trying to get you to see that thinking and knowing were 2 > different things.> > A lot of people "know" something will happen (when they cant know for a > fact it will until its done) when they are actually "thinking" it will > happen and I think that is based on fear. Hard to lose fear that is > ingrained in us.> > Sorry you were irritated, truly wasnt my intent! Just tried to help. > Wont respond to you again!> > Cheryl> > > >> > Ya know what? Your reply irritated the daylights> > out of me last night and I found that today it> > still irritates me. I waited to answer, so I could> > cool off as bit.> >> > I don't care whether you were "going" by anything.> > And I can pretty much guarantee if I> > herxed/detoxed badly at 25 mg then 50 mg would> > have been really bad. As I still got a runny nose> > and a frontal headache from the 25 mg I took> > yesterday. I don't WANT to know what 50 mg would> > have done. Capice? I mean if that's alright with you.> >> > Have you even read the Iodine Protocol or the> > information at the Breast Cancer site? Just a> > suggestion but maybe you should, especially for> > detox/herx (or Bromism) symptoms. I'm doing it> > exactly the way it's recommended, and the way> > everyday common sense would dictate. When there's> > a bad reaction, stop for a few days and restart at> > a lower dose. But of course you know more than I> > do about what is good for me. If you're not ill> > with a deadly disease there's really no reason> > that anyone should have to jump right in at 25/50> > mg a day. No matter what YOU say.> >> > And I really don't owe you an explanation. It's my> > body and I don't want, need or require your> > approval to proceed in any way I see fit.> >> > Maybe you did not mean it to sound that way, and> > that's very possible. But your questions really> > come across to me as demanding, as an> > interrogation, and your reply implies that you> > know more than I do about what is best, and> > criticism of the way I chose to proceed. Do not do> > that to me again. I wasn't asking for your help,> > opinion, or approval. When I need help I know how> > to ask for it. And I don't mind comments directed> > at me, or even answering questions, but the way> > you did it, the tone of it just really ticked me off.> >> > The many and varied people of this group manage to> > talk to, and treat one another well. Everyone> > seems to get along fine, with a minor disagreement> > or misunderstanding here or there, which is really> > good for a group of this size. Like I said maybe> > you didn't mean it that way, but the way your> > questions and comments were phrased really> > bothered me.> > ------------------------------------