Re: MMS chemotherapy

[Guest guest]

I would not of been aware of this MMS had no one here mentioned it.

I've learned so much from other off topic postings. I belong to about

14 groups and some off topic post are annoying. I feel no one person

here is out of control with Off Topic posting on this group.

Hey that's my 2 bits,

Ron

Forrest wrote:

Please, those of you that just have to talk about the

latest chemotherapy disguised as alternative medicine (MMS), just email

people directly and not post your messages for all to see on this group

which truly is about alternative medicine, namely electromedicine.

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[Guest guest]

HI

I think you know the difference with what you are saying here..

MMS has nothing to do with chemotherapy no more then

the indian herbs you suggested a while ago..

It is time for you to do some honest research before you make

these comments..I have been a fan of yours for a long time

and it is not typical of you.

MMS chemotherapy

Please, those of you that just have to talk about the latest chemotherapy disguised as alternative medicine (MMS), just email people directly and not post your messages for all to see on this group which truly is about alternative medicine, namely electromedicine.

[Guest guest]

Alvin, what I meant is that MMS is a man-made chemical, basically bleach with an extra molecule of oxygen. So using MMS is a type of "chemotherapy", not saying it is the same chemotherapy that is used by the modern witch doctors on cancer patients.>HI I think you know the difference with what you are saying here..MMS has nothing to do with chemotherapy no more thenthe indian herbs you suggested a while ago..It is time for you to do some honest research before you makethese comments..I have been a fan of yours for a long timeand it is not typical of you.

[Guest guest]

,

Some people have had good results treating various illnesss with the MMS. Some

even have beaten cancer with chemo & radiation as well. Does it really matter

what protocol one uses if it works? Often one will use both traditional and

alternative protocols and they will very often compliment each other.

Gail

>

> Alvin, what I meant is that MMS is a man-made chemical, basically bleach with

an extra molecule of oxygen. So using MMS is a type of " chemotherapy " , not

saying it is the same chemotherapy that is used by the modern witch doctors on

cancer patients.

> >HI

> I think you know the difference with what you are saying here..

> MMS has nothing to do with chemotherapy no more then

> the indian herbs you suggested a while ago..

> It is time for you to do some honest research before you make

> these comments..I have been a fan of yours for a long time

> and it is not typical of you.

>

[Guest guest]

Gail, to me allopathic synthetic chemical medicine is an offense to nature. I don't subscribe to alternative groups to listen to promos of allopathic medicine. It urks me. This is a group about the Beck protocol which is very alternative. Is it too much to ask that people stay on topic? If you want to drink oxygenated bleach then go ahead and do it but I really don't want to hear about it. There are good natural approaches that can do anything that MMS can do. The alternative lifestyle is basically a philosophy. It's like the stick-to-nature mentality of Zen or Taoism. People that only want results are not "alternative". I want results also but in accordance with my do-no-harm medical philosophy that originated from Hippocrates, the father of medicine.>Some people have had good results treating various illnesss with the MMS. Some even have beaten

cancer with chemo & radiation as well. Does it really matter what protocol one uses if it works? Often one will use both traditional and alternative protocols and they will very often compliment each other.

[Guest guest]

;

While I respect your heroic efforts on the part of alternative medicine, I

wonder if you aren't buying into electronic medicine with the same attitude that

people seem to buy into " conventional " medicine.

What is the difference between Beck advocating the removal of pathogens

and debris with the chemical, ozone, which oxygenates at a rate 4 times that of

peroxide (according to a chemist friend of mine, PhD in chemistry, worked for

the pharmas) and the use of chlorine dioxide, which does a similar process? I

look at these processes and see them philosophically as in the same ball park.

I think that you and Russel see the need for the Beck Protocol to remain intact.

I agree! There are people who have life-threatening illnesses and conditions

that need to suddenly reach out for healing not given by convention. They need

something like Beck. There it is! Intact! I've followed the Beck Protocol as

presented for the 90 days stipulated. It IS a life saver! I think that other

subscribers on this site should see it too. It should remain intact for most

people.

There are others, like myself, who see it as relating to other fields and

endeavors of alternative medicine. It represents to such people something that

could be improved upon. Your early efforts with a frequency zapper show that, at

one time, you thought so too. And your products did get results.

With such efforts in mind, can you see people trying to get better, faster

healing with experimenting with the areas of Beck's Protocol?

I know people advocating a more complex method of producing Colloidal Silver.

I've seen it work better than the original product. Maybe it won't work as well

for others. I see MMS as an extension of Beck's ozone therapy. It's in the same

camp. Then there's your development of alternative zappers. How about

experiments with straight DC like Godzilla? I have a Diapulse. (Believe me that

it works!) I see it as just an enlarged Beck Mag Pulser.

The point is that the Beck Protocol is also a philosophy for healing. With that

in mind, the parts of the protocol are areas of exploration to see if there

aren't ways to do them better. I really don't want to change the orthodoxy of

the Beck Protocol. I do want to see it as a philosophy for certain people to

experiment in order to make things better.

I think that Beck might agree.

Dick

>

> Gail, to me allopathic synthetic chemical medicine is an offense to nature. I

don't subscribe to alternative groups to listen to promos of allopathic

medicine. It urks me. This is a group about the Beck protocol which is very

alternative. Is it too much to ask that people stay on topic? If you want to

drink oxygenated bleach then go ahead and do it but I really don't want to hear

about it. There are good natural approaches that can do anything that MMS can

do. The alternative lifestyle is basically a philosophy. It's like the

stick-to-nature mentality of Zen or Taoism. People that only want results are

not " alternative " . I want results also but in accordance with my do-no-harm

medical philosophy that originated from Hippocrates, the father of medicine.

>

> >Some people have had good results treating various illnesss with the MMS.

Some even have beaten cancer with chemo & radiation as well. Does it really

matter what protocol one uses if it works? Often one will use both traditional

and alternative protocols and they will very often compliment each other.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Dick,

I too agree with your excellent explanation. The o3 compared to h2o2

was enlightening. My thoughts on just Bob Becks Protocol to be

discussed here only, it would be limiting. Not too much would be

discussed and this group would I feel would not be open to so many

other wonderful Finds. In the Past 2 years I have learned so much from

all of the Groups I belong to. Many have Off Topic Post and Sometimes

be a wealth of Knowledge and some can be some worthless Rants as

Bernie knows all too well.

This Group is one of the best. Nobody here I feel get out of control.

My 2 bits,

Thanks,

Ron

luthierret wrote:

;

While I respect your heroic efforts on the part of alternative

medicine, I wonder if you aren't buying into electronic medicine with

the same attitude that people seem to buy into "conventional" medicine.

What is the difference between Beck advocating the removal of

pathogens and debris with the chemical, ozone, which oxygenates at a

rate 4 times that of peroxide (according to a chemist friend of mine,

PhD in chemistry, worked for the pharmas) and the use of chlorine

dioxide, which does a similar process? I look at these processes and

see them philosophically as in the same ball park.

I think that you and Russel see the need for the Beck Protocol to

remain intact. I agree! There are people who have life-threatening

illnesses and conditions that need to suddenly reach out for healing

not given by convention. They need something like Beck. There it is!

Intact! I've followed the Beck Protocol as presented for the 90 days

stipulated. It IS a life saver! I think that other subscribers on this

site should see it too. It should remain intact for most people.

There are others, like myself, who see it as relating to other fields

and endeavors of alternative medicine. It represents to such people

something that could be improved upon. Your early efforts with a

frequency zapper show that, at one time, you thought so too. And your

products did get results.

With such efforts in mind, can you see people trying to get better,

faster healing with experimenting with the areas of Beck's Protocol?

I know people advocating a more complex method of producing Colloidal

Silver. I've seen it work better than the original product. Maybe it

won't work as well for others. I see MMS as an extension of Beck's

ozone therapy. It's in the same camp. Then there's your development of

alternative zappers. How about experiments with straight DC like

Godzilla? I have a Diapulse. (Believe me that it works!) I see it as

just an enlarged Beck Mag Pulser.

The point is that the Beck Protocol is also a philosophy for healing.

With that in mind, the parts of the protocol are areas of exploration

to see if there aren't ways to do them better. I really don't want to

change the orthodoxy of the Beck Protocol. I do want to see it as a

philosophy for certain people to experiment in order to make things

better.

I think that Beck might agree.

Dick

>

> Gail, to me allopathic synthetic chemical medicine is an offense

to nature. I don't subscribe to alternative groups to listen to promos

of allopathic medicine. It urks me. This is a group about the Beck

protocol which is very alternative. Is it too much to ask that people

stay on topic? If you want to drink oxygenated bleach then go ahead and

do it but I really don't want to hear about it. There are good natural

approaches that can do anything that MMS can do. The alternative

lifestyle is basically a philosophy. It's like the stick-to-nature

mentality of Zen or Taoism. People that only want results are not

"alternative". I want results also but in accordance with my

do-no-harm medical philosophy that originated from Hippocrates, the

father of medicine.

>

> >Some people have had good results treating various illnesss

with the MMS. Some even have beaten cancer with chemo & radiation

as well. Does it really matter what protocol one uses if it works?

Often one will use both traditional and alternative protocols and they

will very often compliment each other.

>

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[Guest guest]

Of course there's no need for it if you are careful and practice good healthy

living, and have some luck genetically and so forth. If not then you are really

up a creek. If the natural and normal fails, you are stuck deciding if more of

the natural and normal will work without any help. I think all meds should be a

last resort, and I hope it's possible to do that. They all have side effects

except I think, Viagra, which has positive heart health side effects. But there

happens to be a better solution, L-Arginine can also be used, according to Dr.

Joe Prendergast (you tube) with great benefits, and it is must amino acid. So,

I think it's a very individual and time-urgent use, of things when you are in a

pickle, and for the most part it's possible to avoid the pickle. If not, you

have a hard choice. i have no idea if MMS is really workable or not for such

things. but one cool thing about electrifying, is you don't even " kill " the

bugs, they just can't reproduce, so even the " life at all cost " folks should be

happier with it than with drugs that do kill bugs.

bG

>

> Gail, to me allopathic synthetic chemical medicine is an offense to nature. I

don't subscribe to alternative groups to listen to promos of allopathic

medicine. It urks me. This is a group about the Beck protocol which is very

alternative. Is it too much to ask that people stay on topic? If you want to

drink oxygenated bleach then go ahead and do it but I really don't want to hear

about it. There are good natural approaches that can do anything that MMS can

do. The alternative lifestyle is basically a philosophy. It's like the

stick-to-nature mentality of Zen or Taoism. People that only want results are

not " alternative " . I want results also but in accordance with my do-no-harm

medical philosophy that originated from Hippocrates, the father of medicine.

>

> >Some people have had good results treating various illnesss with the MMS.

Some even have beaten cancer with chemo & radiation as well. Does it really

matter what protocol one uses if it works? Often one will use both traditional

and alternative protocols and they will very often compliment each other.

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I allow and even encourage, other health-related topics to be covered on this list. In the past, I have also allowed political topics to be discussed on the list such as when we were sharing the news that an innocent person was sent to jail for selling alternative medical devices.

Just a few weeks ago I sent the MMS "Overnight Cure for Cancer" link to a friend and I hope she survives long enough to use it.

http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/OCC.html

The reason I sent her this link is because I have all the ingredients in the house ready to go for her to use in this emergency. I would have directed her to www.phoenixtears.ca but decided against it because what good would it do if it is not readily available to most people because it is against the law.

When a person is ill, it can be overwhelming to sift through a list of diseases and alternative modalities that can be useful and I hope that the person who needs answers fast can find them on lists like this one. Unfortunately, the answer isn't always Beck or any one method of healing. If other integrative therapies are forbidden to be discussed then we will never know if something works or not.

Dotsie

In a message dated 3/5/2010 7:25:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, a57ngel@... writes:

Please, those of you that just have to talk about the latest chemotherapy disguised as alternative medicine (MMS), just email people directly and not post your messages for all to see on this group which truly is about alternative medicine, namely electromedicine.

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

I have not come here to argue philosophical points of view, but to find

out factual evidence, give and take, same as in any other group. Yet,

I have been finally compelled to step into this line as well, because i

find it distractive and destructive.

As far as I am concerned, MMS is as natural as batteries, wires and

circuit boards. So, I would have accepted it from for example a

herbalist, but I find it hypocritical coming from a person pushing the

wires, batteries and circuit boards.

So far this group, in my short history here, has been as pleasantly

diverse in the off topics bringing to attention more aspects of healing,

mental as well as physical, as it is in bringing factual information on

the on topic B. Beck devices and their functionality, than any other

group, keeping it reasonably lively and over all educational. This, I

can only ascribe to the sensible benevolence of our moderator, who is

after all the only authority on this group with the power of policing

it.

So, if you have problems with the " off topic posts " I would find it

sensible to establish your own group and run it your way, rather than

making a bid for policing this one with your opinions, which are not

even self consistent, rather than presentation of factual evidence, no

matter what that evidence is thematically and which way it goes.

With kind regards, Slavek.

Forrest wrote:

>

>

>

> Gail, to me allopathic synthetic chemical medicine is an offense to

> nature. I don't subscribe to alternative groups to listen to promos of

> allopathic medicine. It urks me. This is a group about the Beck

> protocol which is very alternative. Is it too much to ask that people

> stay on topic? If you want to drink oxygenated bleach then go ahead

> and do it but I really don't want to hear about it. There are good

> natural approaches that can do anything that MMS can do. The

> alternative lifestyle is basically a philosophy. It's like the

> stick-to-nature mentality of Zen or Taoism. People that only want

> results are not " alternative " . I want results also but in accordance

> with my do-no-harm medical philosophy that originated from

> Hippocrates, the father of medicine.

>

> >Some people have had good results treating various illnesss with the

> MMS. Some even have beaten cancer with chemo & radiation as well. Does

> it really matter what protocol one uses if it works? Often one will

> use both traditional and alternative protocols and they will very

> often compliment each other.

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Peace <chuckle>

It can be frustrating when one has to wade through posts that they aren't

interested in, especially if one is extremely ill. That has always been a

problem for people and I doubt if that will ever change. However, what has also

been true is; if there is a problem with posting, the moderator will always step

in and correct the situation. Another truth: There will always be somebody

wanting to moderate the group themself telling the list members what they should

or shouldn't do according to what they want. <chuckle>

Ofcourse, it's not too much to ask people to stay on topic, but I doubt that you

will get it as much as you would like. And as others have mentioned, we've

learned valuable information that helped toward our health in various ways that

have been allowed on the list already. If Dotsie had not wanted it, I'm sure

she would have put a stop to it. It's a good well rounded list.

Perhaps you would like to share other " natural approaches that can do anything

that MMS can do " with us. We never stop learning as long as we're breathing.

One of the factors about the MMS for many is just how cheap it is.

Gail

>

> Gail, to me allopathic synthetic chemical medicine is an offense to nature. I

don't subscribe to alternative groups to listen to promos of allopathic

medicine. It urks me. This is a group about the Beck protocol which is very

alternative. Is it too much to ask that people stay on topic? If you want to

drink oxygenated bleach then go ahead and do it but I really don't want to hear

about it. There are good natural approaches that can do anything that MMS can

do. The alternative lifestyle is basically a philosophy. It's like the

stick-to-nature mentality of Zen or Taoism. People that only want results are

not " alternative " . I want results also but in accordance with my do-no-harm

medical philosophy that originated from Hippocrates, the father of medicine.

>

> >Some people have had good results treating various illnesss with the MMS.

Some even have beaten cancer with chemo & radiation as well. Does it really

matter what protocol one uses if it works? Often one will use both traditional

and alternative protocols and they will very often compliment each other.

>

[Guest guest]

+1

Re: MMS chemotherapy

,

Peace <chuckle>

It can be frustrating when one has to wade through posts that they aren't interested in, especially if one is extremely ill. That has always been a problem for people and I doubt if that will ever change. However, what has also been true is; if there is a problem with posting, the moderator will always step in and correct the situation. Another truth: There will always be somebody wanting to moderate the group themself telling the list members what they should or shouldn't do according to what they want. <chuckle>

Ofcourse, it's not too much to ask people to stay on topic, but I doubt that you will get it as much as you would like. And as others have mentioned, we've learned valuable information that helped toward our health in various ways that have been allowed on the list already. If Dotsie had not wanted it, I'm sure she would have put a stop to it. It's a good well rounded list.

Perhaps you would like to share other "natural approaches that can do anything that MMS can do" with us. We never stop learning as long as we're breathing. One of the factors about the MMS for many is just how cheap it is.

Gail

>

> Gail, to me allopathic synthetic chemical medicine is an offense to nature. I don't subscribe to alternative groups to listen to promos of allopathic medicine. It urks me. This is a group about the Beck protocol which is very alternative. Is it too much to ask that people stay on topic? If you want to drink oxygenated bleach then go ahead and do it but I really don't want to hear about it. There are good natural approaches that can do anything that MMS can do. The alternative lifestyle is basically a philosophy. It's like the stick-to-nature mentality of Zen or Taoism. People that only want results are not "alternative". I want results also but in accordance with my do-no-harm medical philosophy that originated from Hippocrates, the father of medicine.

>

> >Some people have had good results treating various illnesss with the MMS. Some even have beaten cancer with chemo & radiation as well. Does it really matter what protocol one uses if it works? Often one will use both traditional and alternative protocols and they will very often compliment each other.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dotsie,

And thank you for it,

With great respect, Slavek.

DotsieBoo@... wrote:

>

>

>

> Yes, I allow and even encourage, other health-related topics to be

> covered on this list. In the past, I have also allowed political

> topics to be discussed on the list such as when we were sharing the

> news that an innocent person was sent to jail for selling alternative

> medical devices.

>

> Just a few weeks ago I sent the MMS " Overnight Cure for Cancer " link

> to a friend and I hope she survives long enough to use it.

> http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/OCC.html

>

> The reason I sent her this link is because I have all the ingredients

> in the house ready to go for her to use in this emergency. I would

> have directed her to www.phoenixtears.ca but decided against it

> because what good would it do if it is not readily available to most

> people because it is against the law.

>

> When a person is ill, it can be overwhelming to sift through a list of

> diseases and alternative modalities that can be useful and I hope that

> the person who needs answers fast can find them on lists like this

> one. Unfortunately, the answer isn't always Beck or any one method

> of healing. If other integrative therapies are forbidden to be

> discussed then we will never know if something works or not.

>

> Dotsie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/5/2010 7:25:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> a57ngel@... writes:

>

> Please, those of you that just have to talk about the latest

> chemotherapy disguised as alternative medicine (MMS), just email

> people directly and not post your messages for all to see on this

> group which truly is about alternative medicine, namely

> electromedicine.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dotsie I too thank you :>)

Ron

slavek krepelka wrote:

Hi Dotsie,

And thank you for it,

With great respect, Slavek.

DotsieBooaol

wrote:

>

>

>

> Yes, I allow and even encourage, other health-related topics to be

> covered on this list. In the past, I have also allowed political

> topics to be discussed on the list such as when we were sharing the

> news that an innocent person was sent to jail for selling

alternative

> medical devices.

>

> Just a few weeks ago I sent the MMS "Overnight Cure for Cancer"

link

> to a friend and I hope she survives long enough to use it.

> http://www.new-cancer-treatments.org/Cancer/OCC.html

>

> The reason I sent her this link is because I have all the

ingredients

> in the house ready to go for her to use in this emergency. I would

> have directed her to www.phoenixtears.ca but decided against

it

> because what good would it do if it is not readily available to

most

> people because it is against the law.

>

> When a person is ill, it can be overwhelming to sift through a

list of

> diseases and alternative modalities that can be useful and I hope

that

> the person who needs answers fast can find them on lists like this

> one. Unfortunately, the answer isn't always Beck or any one method

> of healing. If other integrative therapies are forbidden to be

> discussed then we will never know if something works or not.

>

> Dotsie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/5/2010 7:25:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> a57ngel

writes:

>

> Please, those of you that just have to talk about the latest

> chemotherapy disguised as alternative medicine (MMS), just email

> people directly and not post your messages for all to see on this

> group which truly is about alternative medicine, namely

> electromedicine.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> Viagra, which has positive heart

> health side effects. But there happens to be a better solution, L-Arginine

> can also be used, according to Dr. Joe Prendergast (you tube) with great

> benefits, and it is must amino acid.

Also consider Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate. But really if one has a

problem with nitric oxide production, then one should be looking at

how to repair the endothelium membrane (actually it's a tube). It's a

tough nut to crack if glycation (plaque buildup along the endothelium

membrane) has occurred, but the Europeans even have a treatment for

that, I can't remember the name of the medicine.

Concerning the off-topic posts, I have greatly benefited from them.

There is point where knowledge converge and that point is the truth of

the matter.

Olushola

[Guest guest]

On 3/8/10, Baby_grand <bobluhrs@...> wrote:

> Of course there's no need for it if you are careful and practice good

> healthy living, and have some luck genetically and so forth. If not then

> you are really up a creek. If the natural and normal fails, you are stuck

> deciding if more of the natural and normal will work without any help. I

> think all meds should be a last resort, and I hope it's possible to do that.

I've been living in Africa for a while and I've seen tremendous

improvements to my health from just the food. The meats have no

antibiotics and other chemicals and the vegetables are freshly picked

in season. Of course there is the problem with parasites and other

vermin, but that is not a problem if one;s diet promote good gut

health. By the way, a large percentage of my diet is raw vegetables. I

soak them in a " bleach " solution, I wonder if MMS and electrification

would be a better solution to kill of the microbes and parasites.

Anyway no problem so far.

The point I'm making is that America Is Dying Slowly (AIDS) because

she has contaminated the very source of our health, the earth; and

then tries to deal with the effects with drugs. It's a vicious cycle.

Olushola

[Guest guest]

Dick, ozone is not a man-made chemical. It is 3 molecules of oxygen together and occurs naturally. The ozone in the atmosphere protects us from many of the harmful emanations from the sun. In the body the 3rd oxygen jumps off to kill pathogens. It is a long way from drinking bleach.(MMS)

[Guest guest]

Slavek, MMS is not "as natural as batteries, wires andcircuit boards". It is a destructive man-made chemical. Electricity is natural. Without it we couldn't live. It is one means our immune system uses to kill bacteria and fungus. (see http://www.dragonfly75.com/eng/SciVie.html)Every cell has voltage and current. The nervous system works partly on electrical current.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Let's look at these concepts.

O3 occurs naturally. True!

MMS is nothing other than bleach. False!

Let's break this discussion into parts so that we can understand them.

1) Natural.

2) Body composition; electric, chemical, light.

3) Orthodoxy

4) Experimentation

5) Chemistry

1) It is true that ozone occurs naturally. Perhaps you have a ready example of

where it occurs, naturally and available to humans? In water? Electricity occurs

as naturally as the chemical processes that make up life. Can you show me where

square waves occur in nature? In the body? But the Beck zapper uses square

waves. Neither do strong mag pulses. But Beck uses them too.

2) Life " lives " because of the interaction of chemicals, electricity and light.

It is the case that if one part of the formula is missing, sickness and death

follow. It is now known that our cells communicate, yes!, by micro-static

pulses, but they also communicate with light. There are connectors that resemble

fiber-optic cables between cells that apparently communicate with UV, 380 nm

light. The body absorbs 660 nm red light best. I really can't tell you how, or

what it does.

3) The orthodoxy of Beck should remain as such. Intact, it is the life-saver

tossed to many drowning people. It should remain intact. Perhaps any discussion

about alternatives is counterproductive to this cause. Magnetic pulses and

square waves are definitely not part of nature. CS in an ionic form isn't

readily available in nature either. Ozone is, but not infused into water in

large amounts.

4) Isn't it part human nature to try to make things better? Didn't you add

higher voltages to your zapper? Didn't you add frequencies, other than Beck's

frequency? This isn't very orthodox, but I know that it got results. It isn't

very natural either. Some people want faster and better results than the

orthodoxy of Beck seem to give. Others don't. Some people see Beck as,

" unnatural " and turn to herbs and supplements. I, personally, see diet as very

important. I see the Beck Protocol as synergistic with many supplements and

herbs.

4) Bleach, ingested, kills! Why doesn't MMS? Because it isn't chlorine bleach.

It forms chlorine dioxide, a different product. Yes! It is an oxidizer as is

bleach. So is oxygen. I could argue that MMS is as natural as square waves.

Would you get the point?

A natural form of electricity is lightning. A few people have been hit by

lightening and all their problems go away. They get healed of their ailments.

Gray hair turns black. I wouldn't recommend standing in a puddle of water to

attract it though. Most people who contact lightening die. Nature can kill too.

I'd rather use the Beck zapper and Mag Pulser even though they're not exactly

natural. In the same way, I've tried MMS. I'm results oriented. It works!

In a way, your higher voltage, multiple frequency device is philosophically

related to Beck's zapper, though not the same. MMS is an oxidizer,

philosophically related to Beck's use of ozone, but not the same.

I hope that this helps.

Dick

>

> Dick, ozone is not a man-made chemical. It is 3 molecules of oxygen together

and occurs naturally. The ozone in the atmosphere protects us from many of the

harmful emanations from the sun. In the body the 3rd oxygen jumps off to kill

pathogens. It is a long way from drinking bleach.(MMS)

>

[Guest guest]

Bravo!

M~R

luthierret wrote:

Hi ,

Let's look at these concepts.

O3 occurs naturally. True!

MMS is nothing other than bleach. False!

Let's break this discussion into parts so that we can understand them.

1) Natural.

2) Body composition; electric, chemical, light.

3) Orthodoxy

4) Experimentation

5) Chemistry

1) It is true that ozone occurs naturally. Perhaps you have a ready

example of where it occurs, naturally and available to humans? In

water? Electricity occurs as naturally as the chemical processes that

make up life. Can you show me where square waves occur in nature? In

the body? But the Beck zapper uses square waves. Neither do strong mag

pulses. But Beck uses them too.

2) Life "lives" because of the interaction of chemicals, electricity

and light. It is the case that if one part of the formula is missing,

sickness and death follow. It is now known that our cells communicate,

yes!, by micro-static pulses, but they also communicate with light.

There are connectors that resemble fiber-optic cables between cells

that apparently communicate with UV, 380 nm light. The body absorbs 660

nm red light best. I really can't tell you how, or what it does.

3) The orthodoxy of Beck should remain as such. Intact, it is the

life-saver tossed to many drowning people. It should remain intact.

Perhaps any discussion about alternatives is counterproductive to this

cause. Magnetic pulses and square waves are definitely not part of

nature. CS in an ionic form isn't readily available in nature either.

Ozone is, but not infused into water in large amounts.

4) Isn't it part human nature to try to make things better? Didn't you

add higher voltages to your zapper? Didn't you add frequencies, other

than Beck's frequency? This isn't very orthodox, but I know that it got

results. It isn't very natural either. Some people want faster and

better results than the orthodoxy of Beck seem to give. Others don't.

Some people see Beck as, "unnatural" and turn to herbs and supplements.

I, personally, see diet as very important. I see the Beck Protocol as

synergistic with many supplements and herbs.

4) Bleach, ingested, kills! Why doesn't MMS? Because it isn't chlorine

bleach. It forms chlorine dioxide, a different product. Yes! It is an

oxidizer as is bleach. So is oxygen. I could argue that MMS is as

natural as square waves. Would you get the point?

A natural form of electricity is lightning. A few people have been hit

by lightening and all their problems go away. They get healed of their

ailments. Gray hair turns black. I wouldn't recommend standing in a

puddle of water to attract it though. Most people who contact

lightening die. Nature can kill too. I'd rather use the Beck zapper and

Mag Pulser even though they're not exactly natural. In the same way,

I've tried MMS. I'm results oriented. It works!

In a way, your higher voltage, multiple frequency device is

philosophically related to Beck's zapper, though not the same. MMS is

an oxidizer, philosophically related to Beck's use of ozone, but not

the same.

I hope that this helps.

Dick

>

> Dick, ozone is not a man-made chemical. It is 3 molecules of

oxygen together and occurs naturally. The ozone in the atmosphere

protects us from many of the harmful emanations from the sun. In the

body the 3rd oxygen jumps off to kill pathogens. It is a long way from

drinking bleach.(MMS)

>

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[Guest guest]

I think it's extreme, not sensible. MMS is a pretty aggressive substance, very

harsh compared with beck's stuff, for instance.

I don't know if it's a good thing to try just for the hell of it, as some people

do with beck's stuff. If you're dying, it's another matter then you are forced

to look at all sorts of things differently.

bG

> > >

> > > Dick, ozone is not a man-made chemical. It is 3 molecules of oxygen

> > together and occurs naturally. The ozone in the atmosphere protects us

> > from many of the harmful emanations from the sun. In the body the 3rd

> > oxygen jumps off to kill pathogens. It is a long way from drinking

> > bleach.(MMS)

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dick,

Very sensible indeed.

With kind regards, Slavek.

luthierret wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi ,

> Let's look at these concepts.

> O3 occurs naturally. True!

> MMS is nothing other than bleach. False!

>

> Let's break this discussion into parts so that we can understand them.

> 1) Natural.

> 2) Body composition; electric, chemical, light.

> 3) Orthodoxy

> 4) Experimentation

> 5) Chemistry

>

> 1) It is true that ozone occurs naturally. Perhaps you have a ready

> example of where it occurs, naturally and available to humans? In

> water? Electricity occurs as naturally as the chemical processes that

> make up life. Can you show me where square waves occur in nature? In

> the body? But the Beck zapper uses square waves. Neither do strong mag

> pulses. But Beck uses them too.

> 2) Life " lives " because of the interaction of chemicals, electricity

> and light. It is the case that if one part of the formula is missing,

> sickness and death follow. It is now known that our cells communicate,

> yes!, by micro-static pulses, but they also communicate with light.

> There are connectors that resemble fiber-optic cables between cells

> that apparently communicate with UV, 380 nm light. The body absorbs

> 660 nm red light best. I really can't tell you how, or what it does.

> 3) The orthodoxy of Beck should remain as such. Intact, it is the

> life-saver tossed to many drowning people. It should remain intact.

> Perhaps any discussion about alternatives is counterproductive to this

> cause. Magnetic pulses and square waves are definitely not part of

> nature. CS in an ionic form isn't readily available in nature either.

> Ozone is, but not infused into water in large amounts.

> 4) Isn't it part human nature to try to make things better? Didn't you

> add higher voltages to your zapper? Didn't you add frequencies, other

> than Beck's frequency? This isn't very orthodox, but I know that it

> got results. It isn't very natural either. Some people want faster and

> better results than the orthodoxy of Beck seem to give. Others don't.

> Some people see Beck as, " unnatural " and turn to herbs and

> supplements. I, personally, see diet as very important. I see the Beck

> Protocol as synergistic with many supplements and herbs.

> 4) Bleach, ingested, kills! Why doesn't MMS? Because it isn't chlorine

> bleach. It forms chlorine dioxide, a different product. Yes! It is an

> oxidizer as is bleach. So is oxygen. I could argue that MMS is as

> natural as square waves. Would you get the point?

>

> A natural form of electricity is lightning. A few people have been hit

> by lightening and all their problems go away. They get healed of their

> ailments. Gray hair turns black. I wouldn't recommend standing in a

> puddle of water to attract it though. Most people who contact

> lightening die. Nature can kill too. I'd rather use the Beck zapper

> and Mag Pulser even though they're not exactly natural. In the same

> way, I've tried MMS. I'm results oriented. It works!

>

> In a way, your higher voltage, multiple frequency device is

> philosophically related to Beck's zapper, though not the same. MMS is

> an oxidizer, philosophically related to Beck's use of ozone, but not

> the same.

>

> I hope that this helps.

> Dick

>

>

> >

> > Dick, ozone is not a man-made chemical. It is 3 molecules of oxygen

> together and occurs naturally. The ozone in the atmosphere protects us

> from many of the harmful emanations from the sun. In the body the 3rd

> oxygen jumps off to kill pathogens. It is a long way from drinking

> bleach.(MMS)

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very well said. Totally agree with you.

> >

> > Dick, ozone is not a man-made chemical. It is 3 molecules of oxygen together

and occurs naturally. The ozone in the atmosphere protects us from many of the

harmful emanations from the sun. In the body the 3rd oxygen jumps off to kill

pathogens. It is a long way from drinking bleach.(MMS)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Folks, I do NOT totally agree and if I may add to this discussion, solely for points of clarity, statements alluding to Becks (and others) work in electrification as not being `natural' due to the inducements of and use of, BATTERIES or MAGNETICS, or their related properties such as Sine or Square wave function, it should be sub-noted that in fact, in ORDER not to convolute or mislead on this topic, the earth itself is a HUGH BATTERY and contains all frequencies and harmonics (magnetic properties) that is (applied physics) and used within the electronic world today.

Square waves are simply the `cut-off' frequencies of Sine Functions that are presented when filtered and are as natural as the interaction between the magnetic forces of pass through (and cut-off) and the cancellation effects (or saturation) of the harmonics frequencies exposures of the Sun, Earth and Moon, further expanding (or contracting upon) our galaxy, our neighboring galaxies and the interactions of these bodies (magnetic) on a universal scale (universe).

Please make reference, the human body is also a form of a BATTERY and POLARIZED (based in chemical reactions) and when referencing the `natural effects' of electrical and/or magnetic properties (including solar radiation) One should keep in mind, the electrical properties are only `reproduced' in circuit boards (eg.Tesla, Beck, Rife) to "re-create a natural state" as to maintain a preferred controlled or stabilized existence for usage.

IMO, one should be careful when suggesting or alluding to any electrical properties as being UN-NATURAL.

[Guest guest]

When I use it, I use it to remove germs in a targetted way with small

concentrated DC current. It's temporary, extraordinarily powerful compared with

the normal levels of currents in and around the body.

I don't consider this natural or unnatural, it's just temporary use of force.

It's supposed to be damaging to microscopic life that is competing with my own

life. I hope it does nothing to me, in other words, as it is enough to disable

them, and hopefully not to disable me. I only use it long enough to remove any

known microbe, i don't just assume I've got unknown microbes of a destructive

nature. Why would I assume that? I guess some people will choose to, but I

don't think that applies to me, and it may be unwarranted on their part as well.

Sure we all want perfect health, go for it. But this stuff was tested in labs

against virus, not generally imperfect health, which is what most people seem to

be using it for..and probably finding it wanting in that regard. It's a piece

of freedom to have the knowledge and be able to do it .. if you ever need to.

That should be welcomed with open arms by anyone who ever saw what infections do

to people.

I don't know where the connection was suddenly made by beck et al between the

valid usage of microelectricity to destroy sources of competing life in the

body, versus enhance the body in some absolute way. It is not supported by any

theory, evidence, or even their own arguments in favor of it.

bG

>

>

>

> Folks, I do NOT totally agree and if I may add to this discussion,

> solely for points of clarity, statements alluding to Becks (and others)

> work in electrification as not being `natural' due to the

> inducements of and use of, BATTERIES or MAGNETICS, or their related

> properties such as Sine or Square wave function, it should be sub-noted

> that in fact, in ORDER not to convolute or mislead on this topic, the

> earth itself is a HUGH BATTERY and contains all frequencies and

> harmonics (magnetic properties) that is (applied physics) and used

> within the electronic world today.

>

> Square waves are simply the `cut-off' frequencies of Sine

> Functions that are presented when filtered and are as natural as the

> interaction between the magnetic forces of pass through (and cut-off)

> and the cancellation effects (or saturation) of the harmonics

> frequencies exposures of the Sun, Earth and Moon, further expanding (or

> contracting upon) our galaxy, our neighboring galaxies and the

> interactions of these bodies (magnetic) on a universal scale (universe).

>

> Please make reference, the human body is also a form of a BATTERY and

> POLARIZED (based in chemical reactions) and when referencing the

> `natural effects' of electrical and/or magnetic properties

> (including solar radiation) One should keep in mind, the electrical

> properties are only `reproduced' in circuit boards (eg.Tesla,

> Beck, Rife) to " re-create a natural state " as to maintain a

> preferred controlled or stabilized existence for usage.

>

> IMO, one should be careful when suggesting or alluding to any electrical

> properties as being UN-NATURAL.

>