Re: Re: Is it time to remove my gallbladder?

[Guest guest]

hi steve,

i'm also almost to the point of letting them take my gb...however i'd like to

give the flushing/diet one more try...i don't really get attacks, but i think my

flow isn't proper and it's causing me leaky gut...i'm currently on the candida

diet..symptoms are improving but i've hit a stop..

could you tell me some pro gallbladder foods?

thanks!

shefy

" sak... " <skr325@...> wrote:

-

A flush is a flush and it's only a flush. While most people gain some

relief from flushes, it's only going to be as good as your diet.

I guess I am asking what else you have done to prevent attacks? Have

you changed your diet, do you exercise regulary, have you eliminated

deep fried foods, are you eating pro-gallbladder foods?

We live in a magic pill world and unless we take care of our bodies

for the long term, the pill (or in this case the knife) can seem like

a viable option.

To be prudent though, you'll need to listen to what the Dr tells you

from your ultrasound and determine from there whether your GB can be

saved.

Steve

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Shefy,

I have battled systemic Candida for 25 years using strict diet and the

usual supplements for chelating it. I just started a new product 2 weeks

ago called Yeast Away (http://peakhealthcareproducts.com/) that I think may

actually get rid of the candida for good this time. It works by destroying

the cell wall of the yeast in a way that does not create the usual die-off

symptoms. If you also do their 6 month follow up product to kill the spores

those smart little devils finally forget where they had been living all

those years. I intuitively feel that it was my candida that, in the past,

has diminished the results of other cleanses I have tried, like the GB flush.

At 10:14 AM 10/15/2006, you wrote:

>hi steve,

>

>i'm also almost to the point of letting them take my gb...however i'd like

>to give the flushing/diet one more try...i don't really get attacks, but i

>think my flow isn't proper and it's causing me leaky gut...i'm currently

>on the candida diet..symptoms are improving but i've hit a stop..

>

>could you tell me some pro gallbladder foods?

>

>thanks!

>shefy

>

> " sak... " <<mailto:skr325%40>skr325@...> wrote:

>-

>

>A flush is a flush and it's only a flush. While most people gain some

>relief from flushes, it's only going to be as good as your diet.

>

>I guess I am asking what else you have done to prevent attacks? Have

>you changed your diet, do you exercise regulary, have you eliminated

>deep fried foods, are you eating pro-gallbladder foods?

>

>We live in a magic pill world and unless we take care of our bodies

>for the long term, the pill (or in this case the knife) can seem like

>a viable option.

>

>To be prudent though, you'll need to listen to what the Dr tells you

>from your ultrasound and determine from there whether your GB can be

>saved.

>

>Steve

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[Guest guest]

For all you dealing with candida, this should not be a long term issue. If it

is a bowel infestation 2-4 weeks. If it has morphed, punctured the intestinal

wall and become systemic, 3-6 months. There is life after candida as well as

life with. Kill the puppies off, re establish the proper environment and

reintroduce the proper flora and fauna. While probiotics will be helpful with a

yeast infection, they will not be curative. It is all about competition for

food. Most things that are fatal to the yeast are not so good for the friendly

bugs (antibiotics for example). Therefore, clean house, and then re establish

the proper colonization. The biggest gun , but will not completely get rid of

the candida, is the medium chain triglyceride fatty acids such as caprylic or

undelic (both being extracted from that wonderful fat, coconut oil). The herbal

combination is amur cork tree bark, white oak bark, and the most anti yeast

herb, celandine leaf. In rare cases the little buggers have adapted to the

point that you need to bring in an obscure herb from New Zealand called Horopito

(psuedowinteria colorata). The New Zealand Government has licensed only one

company (monopoly?), the product is called Kolorex. Once you have knocked it to

it's knees, FOS, and probiotics... but not until then. As Steve points out

dietary changes are then essential. Anybody who is purporting a long term

maintenance program is living the good life at your expense.

In terms of listening to your doctor about the results of your ultrasound,

listen to the report, and not the recommendations. Caveat Emptor. While well

intentioned, maybe not so educated. -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: Moeck<mailto:dmoeck@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:36 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Is it time to remove my gallbladder?

Shefy,

I have battled systemic Candida for 25 years using strict diet and the

usual supplements for chelating it. I just started a new product 2 weeks

ago called Yeast Away

(http://peakhealthcareproducts.com/<http://peakhealthcareproducts.com/>) that I

think may

actually get rid of the candida for good this time. It works by destroying

the cell wall of the yeast in a way that does not create the usual die-off

symptoms. If you also do their 6 month follow up product to kill the spores

those smart little devils finally forget where they had been living all

those years. I intuitively feel that it was my candida that, in the past,

has diminished the results of other cleanses I have tried, like the GB flush.

At 10:14 AM 10/15/2006, you wrote:

>hi steve,

>

>i'm also almost to the point of letting them take my gb...however i'd like

>to give the flushing/diet one more try...i don't really get attacks, but i

>think my flow isn't proper and it's causing me leaky gut...i'm currently

>on the candida diet..symptoms are improving but i've hit a stop..

>

>could you tell me some pro gallbladder foods?

>

>thanks!

>shefy

>

> " sak... "

<<mailto:skr325%40>skr325@...<mailto:skr325@...>> wrote:

>-

>

>A flush is a flush and it's only a flush. While most people gain some

>relief from flushes, it's only going to be as good as your diet.

>

>I guess I am asking what else you have done to prevent attacks? Have

>you changed your diet, do you exercise regulary, have you eliminated

>deep fried foods, are you eating pro-gallbladder foods?

>

>We live in a magic pill world and unless we take care of our bodies

>for the long term, the pill (or in this case the knife) can seem like

>a viable option.

>

>To be prudent though, you'll need to listen to what the Dr tells you

>from your ultrasound and determine from there whether your GB can be

>saved.

>

>Steve

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[Guest guest]

Dave,

On the topic of candida:

25 years of doing what you recommend only allowed my candida to get worse.

It did NOT go away in 3 to 6 months. I believe many people suffer all kinds

of physical problems from long-established systemic yeast that they don't

even know they have because they have followed the usual diet and

anti-fungal recommendations for killing yeast and they think that took care

of it.

The YeastAway program is obviously much different from what you are used

to. They recommend that you do NOT follow any special diet and do NOT take

any kind of anti-fungals at all. Just take their product and go about your

normal life, free of any die-off symptoms, while it is doing it's work.

It is not necessarily a long-term maintenance program. For the kind of

infestation you seem to be thinking of it can be fully defeated in as

little as 12 days. In my case, because there is so much with such a deep

foothold, it is expected to take about 9 months. I suppose you are

imagining that I am the biggest most gullible sucker you have seen in

awhile. No, I just know how to do my own research. If you, or anyone else

here, wants to understand what makes this program so different I suggest

talking to Randy of Peak Health Care Products at: 1-866-442-0617.

At 07:24 PM 10/15/2006, you wrote:

>For all you dealing with candida, this should not be a long term issue. If

>it is a bowel infestation 2-4 weeks. If it has morphed, punctured the

>intestinal wall and become systemic, 3-6 months. There is life after

>candida as well as life with. Kill the puppies off, re establish the

>proper environment and reintroduce the proper flora and fauna. While

>probiotics will be helpful with a yeast infection, they will not be

>curative. It is all about competition for food. Most things that are fatal

>to the yeast are not so good for the friendly bugs (antibiotics for

>example). Therefore, clean house, and then re establish the proper

>colonization. The biggest gun , but will not completely get rid of the

>candida, is the medium chain triglyceride fatty acids such as caprylic or

>undelic (both being extracted from that wonderful fat, coconut oil). The

>herbal combination is amur cork tree bark, white oak bark, and the most

>anti yeast herb, celandine leaf. In rare cases the little buggers have

>adaptto the point that you need to bring in an obscure herb from New

>Zealand called Horopito (psuedowinteria colorata). The New Zealand

>Government has licensed only one company (monopoly?), the product is

>called Kolorex. Once you have knocked it to it's knees, FOS, and

>probiotics... but not until then. As Steve points out dietary changes are

>then essential. Anybody who is purporting a long term maintenance program

>is living the good life at your expense.

>

>In terms of listening to your doctor about the results of your ultrasound,

>listen to the report, and not the recommendations. Caveat Emptor. While

>well intentioned, maybe not so educated. -Dave

>----- Original Message -----

>From: Moeck<mailto:dmoeck@...>

>To:

><mailto:gallstones%40>gallstones <mailto:gallston\

es >

>

>Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 9:36 AM

>Subject: Re: Re: Is it time to remove my gallbladder?

>

>Shefy,

>

>I have battled systemic Candida for 25 years using strict diet and the

>usual supplements for chelating it. I just started a new product 2 weeks

>ago called Yeast Away

>(<http://peakhealthcareproducts.com/>http://peakhealthcareproducts.com/<http://\

peakhealthcareproducts.com/>)

>that I think may

>actually get rid of the candida for good this time. It works by destroying

>the cell wall of the yeast in a way that does not create the usual die-off

>symptoms. If you also do their 6 month follow up product to kill the spores

>those smart little devils finally forget where they had been living all

>those years. I intuitively feel that it was my candida that, in the past,

>has diminished the results of other cleanses I have tried, like the GB flush.

>

>

>

>At 10:14 AM 10/15/2006, you wrote:

>

> >hi steve,

> >

> >i'm also almost to the point of letting them take my gb...however i'd like

> >to give the flushing/diet one more try...i don't really get attacks, but i

> >think my flow isn't proper and it's causing me leaky gut...i'm currently

> >on the candida diet..symptoms are improving but i've hit a stop..

> >

> >could you tell me some pro gallbladder foods?

> >

> >thanks!

> >shefy

> >

> > " sak... "

>

<<mailto:skr325%40><mailto:skr325%40>skr325@...<mailto:s\

kr325@...>>

> wrote:

> >-

> >

> >A flush is a flush and it's only a flush. While most people gain some

> >relief from flushes, it's only going to be as good as your diet.

> >

> >I guess I am asking what else you have done to prevent attacks? Have

> >you changed your diet, do you exercise regulary, have you eliminated

> >deep fried foods, are you eating pro-gallbladder foods?

> >

> >We live in a magic pill world and unless we take care of our bodies

> >for the long term, the pill (or in this case the knife) can seem like

> >a viable option.

> >

> >To be prudent though, you'll need to listen to what the Dr tells you

> >from your ultrasound and determine from there whether your GB can be

> >saved.

> >

> >Steve

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Vince,

Yes, the dentists put a massive amount of mercury in my body. I had well

over 200 mercury fillings, throughout my life, mixed up raw 3 feet from my

head and slopped into my teeth and down my throat. The dentist who did most

of that retired early and died young. I finally just had all my teeth

pulled, but no doubt that has a lot to do with my stubborn candida.

Yes, check EVERY option out there. With this program, just don't try to mix

other protocols with it. To clarify what I wrote in the last post, they

recommend staying away from anti-fungals WHEN ON THEIR PROGRAM.

Anti-fungals may serve you well, as long as you don't mix them with YeastAway.

At 07:43 PM 10/20/2006, you wrote:

>Hi , How about mercury? Do you have amalgam fillings? Mercury

>in your system will thwart any attempt to get rid of candidis after it

>is well established. I'd also suggest looking at many more sources of

>info than just one who is selling you their product Just my opinion...

>

>Best Regards,

>

>Vince

>

>

> >

> > Dave,

> >

> > On the topic of candida:

> > 25 years of doing what you recommend only allowed my candida to get

>worse.

> > It did NOT go away in 3 to 6 months. I believe many people suffer

>all kinds

> > of physical problems from long-established systemic yeast that they

>don't

> > even know they have because they have followed the usual diet and

> > anti-fungal recommendations for killing yeast and they think that

>took care

> > of it.

> >

> > The YeastAway program is obviously much different from what you are

>used

> > to. They recommend that you do NOT follow any special diet and do

>NOT take

> > any kind of anti-fungals at all. Just take their product and go

>about your

> > normal life, free of any die-off symptoms, while it is doing it's work.

> >

> > It is not necessarily a long-term maintenance program. For the kind of

> > infestation you seem to be thinking of it can be fully defeated in as

> > little as 12 days. In my case, because there is so much with such a

>deep

> > foothold, it is expected to take about 9 months. I suppose you are

> > imagining that I am the biggest most gullible sucker you have seen in

> > awhile. No, I just know how to do my own research. If you, or anyone

>else

> > here, wants to understand what makes this program so different I

>suggest

> > talking to Randy of Peak Health Care Products at: 1-866-442-0617.

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Hi ,

Your original message has not come through my computer yet so I am

responding through this one. I definitely do not think you are gullible. My

comments are based with dealing with literally hundreds of people on this issue

over the past decade plus. Some of who have been dealing with this for a very

long time under the care of professionals. While many substances are anti

yeast, none that I have run across are a one shot silver bullet. So while

making the situation better, people still get to manage their yeast problem for

ever. I hope cellulase turns out to be different. Cellulase breaks down

cellulose, the polysaccharide that makes up the cell walls of plants. Cows have

it we don't. I hope it proves to break down the cell wall of candida

sufficiently. If the candida has gone systemic, it will be necessary to

assimilate into the bloodstream and disseminate to the farthest reaches of the

body that the candida has gotten too. Hence, them having you take it in between

meals. May it work well. I will test it out and hopefully it will be helpful.

Now if we look at cost , this particular product seems a bit excessive. A

dollar per cap is awfully high for the market on cellulase. While they put

probiotics in along with, I still maintain that it will be more proficient to

beat the candida to death first and then reintroduce the proper flora and fauna

along with FOS (that is what the inulin is for) afterwards. While I too do not

recommend any special diet, dietary changes for most people who have rampant

candida would be well advised. Those with a sweet tooth, and I am not supposing

you do, are going to end up with problems again as soon as the balance has been

wacked out for one reason or another. It is a matter of community and

environment. Vince's comment below would also be well taken. The suppressive

effects of mercury on the immune system will leave anyone a couple of rocks shy

of a full bucket in terms of their own defenses. Only here to help, -Dave

----- Original Message -----

From: VR<mailto:new_man85@...>

gallstones <mailto:gallstones >

Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 6:43 PM

Subject: Re: Is it time to remove my gallbladder?

Hi , How about mercury? Do you have amalgam fillings? Mercury

in your system will thwart any attempt to get rid of candidis after it

is well established. I'd also suggest looking at many more sources of

info than just one who is selling you their product Just my opinion...

Best Regards,

Vince

>

> Dave,

>

> On the topic of candida:

> 25 years of doing what you recommend only allowed my candida to get

worse.

> It did NOT go away in 3 to 6 months. I believe many people suffer

all kinds

> of physical problems from long-established systemic yeast that they

don't

> even know they have because they have followed the usual diet and

> anti-fungal recommendations for killing yeast and they think that

took care

> of it.

>

> The YeastAway program is obviously much different from what you are

used

> to. They recommend that you do NOT follow any special diet and do

NOT take

> any kind of anti-fungals at all. Just take their product and go

about your

> normal life, free of any die-off symptoms, while it is doing it's work.

>

> It is not necessarily a long-term maintenance program. For the kind of

> infestation you seem to be thinking of it can be fully defeated in as

> little as 12 days. In my case, because there is so much with such a

deep

> foothold, it is expected to take about 9 months. I suppose you are

> imagining that I am the biggest most gullible sucker you have seen in

> awhile. No, I just know how to do my own research. If you, or anyone

else

> here, wants to understand what makes this program so different I

suggest

> talking to Randy of Peak Health Care Products at: 1-866-442-0617.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried the LL clay baths for mercury detox?? There are several types

of LL baths. I tried them because i was in excruciating pain. They helped me

quite a bit. Perhaps you would want to research that as well. I also added

bentonite clay to my diet. The product I use is Great Plains Bentonite detox.

I truly believe it helped me to quickly relieve the pain I was in.

----- Original Message -----

From: VR

gallstones

Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2006 10:21 AM

Subject: Re: Is it time to remove my gallbladder?

Hi , I have had 12 amalgams removed by a knowledgeble dentist

and replaced with composite fillings. I am going to Tijuana in a

couple of weeks to get my two root canals extracted and my

non-biocompatible crown replaced with a good one. My flushes and diet

changes have greatly helped me recover from the mercury toxicity. I'm

looking to go the rest of the way to better long term health with the

remaining dental work. Then, I will be able to start the oral

chelation to detox the remaining metals. Meanwhile, I'm taking herbs

and minerals to strengthen my adrenals and elimination paths.

I appreciate your input to the list. I hope this works well for you

and that you'll keep us posted on your progress. I'm glad to hear you

had your teeth pulled (not that I want anyone to be without their own

teeth , because when they are full of mercury most other options are

not as good as pulling them. Most other options are definietly more

expensive.

Have you looked into making your own kefir and/or Kombucha tea? Good

cheap probiotics, enzymes, minerals, detox, etc for much less than any

equivalent commercially available supplements. Google kefir. One of

the best sites is here:

http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

Google kombucha. Two of the best sites are here:

faq: http://www.kombuchatea.co.uk/kombucha-faq.asp

kombucha tea/

Lots of info on these two naturally fermented drinks that provide a

powerful amount of detox and balencing for pennies a gallon. I'm all

for finding traditionally nourishing foods that don't cost an arm and

a leg, although I'm not opposed to spending the money to invest in my

health. Come to think of it, I've invested thousands of dollars in

all kinds of things to help me, but I'm always looking for cheaper

ways to do the same or more

Vince

> > >

> > > Dave,

> > >

> > > On the topic of candida:

> > > 25 years of doing what you recommend only allowed my candida to get

> >worse.

> > > It did NOT go away in 3 to 6 months. I believe many people suffer

> >all kinds

> > > of physical problems from long-established systemic yeast that they

> >don't

> > > even know they have because they have followed the usual diet and

> > > anti-fungal recommendations for killing yeast and they think that

> >took care

> > > of it.

> > >

> > > The YeastAway program is obviously much different from what you are

> >used

> > > to. They recommend that you do NOT follow any special diet and do

> >NOT take

> > > any kind of anti-fungals at all. Just take their product and go

> >about your

> > > normal life, free of any die-off symptoms, while it is doing

it's work.

> > >

> > > It is not necessarily a long-term maintenance program. For the

kind of

> > > infestation you seem to be thinking of it can be fully defeated

in as

> > > little as 12 days. In my case, because there is so much with such a

> >deep

> > > foothold, it is expected to take about 9 months. I suppose you are

> > > imagining that I am the biggest most gullible sucker you have

seen in

> > > awhile. No, I just know how to do my own research. If you, or anyone

> >else

> > > here, wants to understand what makes this program so different I

> >suggest

> > > talking to Randy of Peak Health Care Products at: 1-866-442-0617.

> > >

> > >

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delhi

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oh wow...interesting...what types of results did you get?

thanks

shefy

Kishan Singh <nimana_sikh@...> wrote:

hi shefy

see this websites and try their medicine. i think, before surgery, u should give

a try to it. they claim that pain goes instantly and gallstones dissolves in 3

days.

please try them

kishan singh

delhi

9213238870

Links for your reference:

website link:

http://www.phytochemindo.com/

medicine link:

http://www.phytochemindo.com/kejibeling.php

Office:

GRAHA DARYA VARIA

Jl. Melawai Raya No. 93

Jakarta 12130 - Indonesia

Phone. (62-21) 725 7981 - 726 8026

Fax. (62-21) 725 7980

E-mail: marketing@...

Factory:

Jl. Mercedes Benz No. 105

Cicadas, Gunung Putri

Bogor - Indonesia

Phone./Fax. (62-21) 867 1036/1037

E-mail: factory@...

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i wrote them and enquired about the medicines.

they could ship only full box costing nearly rs. 20,000

so i could not revert back to them

kishan singh

delhi

shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote:

oh wow...interesting...what types of results did you get?

thanks

shefy

Kishan Singh <nimana_sikh@...> wrote:

hi shefy

see this websites and try their medicine. i think, before surgery, u should give

a try to it. they claim that pain goes instantly and gallstones dissolves in 3

days.

please try them

kishan singh

delhi

9213238870

Links for your reference:

website link:

http://www.phytochemindo.com/

medicine link:

http://www.phytochemindo.com/kejibeling.php

Office:

GRAHA DARYA VARIA

Jl. Melawai Raya No. 93

Jakarta 12130 - Indonesia

Phone. (62-21) 725 7981 - 726 8026

Fax. (62-21) 725 7980

E-mail: marketing@...

Factory:

Jl. Mercedes Benz No. 105

Cicadas, Gunung Putri

Bogor - Indonesia

Phone./Fax. (62-21) 867 1036/1037

E-mail: factory@...

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[Guest guest]

I am interested in learning about your experience with these herbs. Did you

have gallstones? Did the herbs help clear all of the gallstones from your gall

bladder? Did you have an ultrasound before and after? I would do anything to

have my million and one gallstones unearthed from my gall bladder and want to

learn about all of the good experiences.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----

From: nimana_sikh@...

gallstones

Sent: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 4:33 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Is it time to remove my gallbladder?

i wrote them and enquired about the medicines.

they could ship only full box costing nearly rs. 20,000

so i could not revert back to them

kishan singh

delhi

shefy gupta <shefy7@...> wrote:

oh wow...interesting...what types of results did you get?

thanks

shefy

Kishan Singh <nimana_sikh@...> wrote:

hi shefy

see this websites and try their medicine. i think, before surgery, u should

give a try to it. they claim that pain goes instantly and gallstones dissolves

in 3 days.

please try them

kishan singh

delhi

9213238870

Links for your reference:

website link:

http://www.phytochemindo.com/

medicine link:

http://www.phytochemindo.com/kejibeling.php

Office:

GRAHA DARYA VARIA

Jl. Melawai Raya No. 93

Jakarta 12130 - Indonesia

Phone. (62-21) 725 7981 - 726 8026

Fax. (62-21) 725 7980

E-mail: marketing@...

Factory:

Jl. Mercedes Benz No. 105

Cicadas, Gunung Putri

Bogor - Indonesia

Phone./Fax. (62-21) 867 1036/1037

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