Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 Thanks I guess I got a bit carried away and didn't notice the different titles, they were too similar. I don't think the Reader's Digest is an expert in too much except in selling books. The books they sell however, are usually of good quality and have expert input as a rule so shouldn't be discounted completely. I find that much of the information put out as " fact " boils down to someone's opinion, so although I don't mind hearing about it. I like to research from every possible angle and form my own opinions somewhere in the middle. Prescott gprescottis@... RE: Digest Number 303 > > > Hi everyone ! > > I have some info about canola oil . It is a long article , but > interesting . > > Tschuess Hermann from Vancouver > > > > Street Journal June 7, 1995 pB6(W) pB6 (E) col 1(11 col in). * taken > > > from > > > FATS THAT HEAL AND FATS THAT KILL byUdo Erasmus. Compiled by Darleen > > > Bradley. > > > > > ---------------------- > > > > > > > _____ > > <1/6235/10/_/473523/_/962948583/> > ICplanet - Connecting Businessess and Independent Consultants, worldwide > <http://adimg./img/6235/10/_/473523/_/962948583/stocks2.gif> > > _____ > > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the > mailing list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2001 Report Share Posted January 19, 2001 Mike E Cornwall wrote: Green Thanks for that in-depth report on Canola oil. Also, your letter to General Mills regarding the deception in their labeling and advertising of their so-called " foods " was on the money! Let's hope those jerks get many more such letters. ===== Dear Corny, One can always hope. But I think more than hope, and more than letters, will be required to make the changes that are needed. Only ONE such letter SHOULD be sufficient. After all, what is true isn't determined by vote. However, corporations abusing the public trust seem to be responsive only to pressure that somehow threatens their profits. I think they're prepared to digest without a burp any number of letters such as mine, changing their policy not a whit, just so long as their bottom line remains unthreatened. What they would UNDERSTAND (respond to) is a significant dip in sales, affecting their profits, or prospect of legal action with the potential of draining their financial coffers. THAT kind of pressure would get action. The problem lies in the difficulty of uniting people in such endeavor. Corporate functionaries are well-paid to pursue corporate policy, while the common citizen must sacrifice to challenge that policy and struggle to make ends meet. The prognosis isn't good. And what a shame, since the whole show runs on our energy. With that kind of leverage, we could determine any corporate and governmental policy we could agree that we require. ===== Canola oil has been controversial for at least 5 years. If it was the only oil out there, then I would be worked up about it. Since there are a host of other good oils to choose from that are NOT controversial, I have been choosing them. Olive (the best to heat), flax, hemp, fish, ect. Corny ===== Yes, I, too, am not directly affected by the canola controversy. But truly, as long as any are so affected, we all are affected. It's just not right for corporate interests to market known harmful substances for public consumption, under the protection of the very government agencies charged with the responsibility of regulating such commerce in the public interest, while at the same time both government and industry work to block public access to the information, substances and services we truly need to maintain our health! Green Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 In a message dated 02/14/2001 10:24:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, bjorgy@... writes: << I just read a very disturbing article on this. Bad bad stuff, mad cow and all. Anyone have info on this?. Sorry but it was sent to me as an attachment, not sure how to " unattach " it. But will try if anyone wants to read it. >> Barb This is an old hoax that has been going around for years. It is absolutely NOT true. There is a place you can go on the web to debunk these myths, but I can't find my addy for it. HTH Hugs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 Hi Barb, The stories about rapeseed oil are not true and you don't have to worry. Go take a look at any of the urban legends sites, www.snopes2.com is good, look under 'toxin du jour'. At the bottom of the rumour there is a small grain of truth. Old- fashioned rapeseed oil contains high levels of erucic acid, and if you cook with it at high temperatures it can produce carcinogens. The rumours about it rotting your flesh etc are complete fiction. Back in the 1970s the Canadians bred a version which they called Canola, which had virtually no erucic acid and is therefore safe to use for cooking and eating. When mad cow disease first appeared people didn't know what caused it and it was suggested that it could be pesticides, or something in the diet, but it turned out that it is actually caused by a prion, which is rather like a very tiny virus. > aka rapeseed oil. I just read a very disturbing article on this. > Bad bad stuff, mad cow and all. Anyone have info on this Eleanor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 wheew! thanks. Sure sounded bad. bj On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 10:38:16 -0800 Spellbound Botanicals <admin@...> writes: > At 07:23 AM 2/14/01 -0800, you wrote: > >aka rapeseed oil. I just read a very disturbing article on this. > >Bad bad stuff, mad cow and all. Anyone have info on this?. Sorry > but it > >was sent to me as an attachment, not sure how to " unattach " it. > But will > >try if anyone wants to read it. > > > >Barb J > >Oregon > > Hi Barb, > > That's a web-based hoax. Someone else posted a link to a website > about the > scam, > > Hi all, I'm new to this list (since last night <g>), but this is > making the > rounds on various lists and is noted in the following Urban Legends > web > site: http://about.com/culture/urbanlegends/library/blcanola.htm > Welch > Caprabella > Goat Milk Soap & Sundries > > > This was recently a topic on the HotSoap list I also subscribe to, > don't > believe every email you get spammed with > > > Tamara Zyganiuk > www.spellboundbotanicals.com > July 1 Issue of " The Spellbinder " is Online NOW > Coming soon: " Spellbound Botanicals " E-store > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 Thanks Eleanor! How does this stuff get started? Takes alot of energy and imagination.....sheez. Ok, I bite, I panic. What a great list to check out this stuff. Thank you . thank you! Barb J On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 15:52:21 -0000 ecorwyn@... writes: > Hi Barb, The stories about rapeseed oil are not true and you don't > have to worry. Go take a look at any of the urban legends sites, > www.snopes2.com is good, look under 'toxin du jour'. > > At the bottom of the rumour there is a small grain of truth. Old- > fashioned rapeseed oil contains high levels of erucic acid, and if > you cook with it at high temperatures it can produce carcinogens. > The > rumours about it rotting your flesh etc are complete fiction. > > Back in the 1970s the Canadians bred a version which they called > Canola, which had virtually no erucic acid and is therefore safe to > use for cooking and eating. > > When mad cow disease first appeared people didn't know what caused > it > and it was suggested that it could be pesticides, or something in > the > diet, but it turned out that it is actually caused by a prion, which > > is rather like a very tiny virus. > > > > aka rapeseed oil. I just read a very disturbing article on this. > > Bad bad stuff, mad cow and all. Anyone have info on this > > Eleanor > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 It's one of them there internet hoax urban myth thingies. Heidi Canola Oil > aka rapeseed oil. I just read a very disturbing article on this. > Bad bad stuff, mad cow and all. Anyone have info on this?. Sorry but it > was sent to me as an attachment, not sure how to " unattach " it. But will > try if anyone wants to read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 Hi, I guess it's because people are nervous about things that might do them harm, so if they see something worrying they naturally wonder if there is something in it. > Thanks Eleanor! How does this stuff get started? Takes alot of energy > and imagination.....sheez Eleanor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 At 07:23 AM 2/14/01 -0800, you wrote: >aka rapeseed oil. I just read a very disturbing article on this. >Bad bad stuff, mad cow and all. Anyone have info on this?. Sorry but it >was sent to me as an attachment, not sure how to " unattach " it. But will >try if anyone wants to read it. > >Barb J >Oregon Hi Barb, That's a web-based hoax. Someone else posted a link to a website about the scam, Hi all, I'm new to this list (since last night <g>), but this is making the rounds on various lists and is noted in the following Urban Legends web site: http://about.com/culture/urbanlegends/library/blcanola.htm Welch Caprabella Goat Milk Soap & Sundries This was recently a topic on the HotSoap list I also subscribe to, don't believe every email you get spammed with Tamara Zyganiuk www.spellboundbotanicals.com July 1 Issue of " The Spellbinder " is Online NOW Coming soon: " Spellbound Botanicals " E-store Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 yes I got a message on that too wondered if it was all true? BarbaraW Subject: Canola Oil > aka rapeseed oil. I just read a very disturbing article on this. > Bad bad stuff, mad cow and all. Anyone have info on this?. Sorry but it > was sent to me as an attachment, not sure how to " unattach " it. But will > try if anyone wants to read it. > > Barb J > Oregon > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 bjorgy@... wrote: >aka rapeseed oil. I just read a very disturbing article on this. >Bad bad stuff, mad cow and all. what? i'd love to read the article, especially since i can't see the mad cow connection...rapeseed/canola is a genetically engineered seed from the mustard family, and mad cow disease is caused by prions, which can't be transmitted through plant material. (the details of the disease are ugly, but i'd be willing to share with you) so please forward if you get a chance! ~risa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2001 Report Share Posted February 14, 2001 Thank you very much for the eye opener Eleanor about Canola and mad cow. > Hi Barb, The stories about rapeseed oil are not true and you don't > have to worry. Go take a look at any of the urban legends sites, > www.snopes2.com is good, look under 'toxin du jour'. > > At the bottom of the rumour there is a small grain of truth. Old- > fashioned rapeseed oil contains high levels of erucic acid, and if > you cook with it at high temperatures it can produce carcinogens. The > rumours about it rotting your flesh etc are complete fiction. > > Back in the 1970s the Canadians bred a version which they called > Canola, which had virtually no erucic acid and is therefore safe to > use for cooking and eating. > > When mad cow disease first appeared people didn't know what caused it > and it was suggested that it could be pesticides, or something in the > diet, but it turned out that it is actually caused by a prion, which > is rather like a very tiny virus. > > > > aka rapeseed oil. I just read a very disturbing article on this. > > Bad bad stuff, mad cow and all. Anyone have info on this > > Eleanor > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 In a message dated 2/14/01 7:23:39 AM Pacific Standard Time, bjorgy@... writes: << Anyone have info on this?. >> It's an urban legend. E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Thanks for the information Kim. I haven't found it on any of the lists of oils that I have. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Terri, Thanks for the information, I have had a hard time finding much on it. Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 This is the information I have for Canola oil.It is from The Soap Maker Companion. Canola oil contains only 6 percent saturated fatty acids making it low in saturated fat than any other edible oil USED IN SOAPMAKING: Without saturated fatty acids,. high - oleic acid canola oil can be slower to saponify. Still, in combination with other saturated fats and oils, it can replace a portion of more costly oils while contributing protein and moisturizing qualities . I can get this oil for $1.49 - $1.69 for 48 oz so it does cut the cost of a batch of soap Hope this helps. Kim Fuoco www.honeybearsoap.com Canola oil > I found that there are a lot of receipes with canola oil in them, but can't > seem to find any benifits of it. Is it good for the skin? Kathy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Your welcome! Kim Fuoco www.honeybearsoap.com Re: Canola oil > Thanks for the information Kim. I haven't found it on any of the lists of > oils that I have. Kathy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2001 Report Share Posted February 16, 2001 Hi Kathy, I've been wanting to try canola myself. Here's what I've gathered so far.... 1) it makes a shiny bar of soap 2) it's good sub for olive (check a lye calc...sap value is different) 3) it takes longer to saponify (I seem to remember someone somewhere saying it acts like olive when it traces) 4)it has to be used with other oils to add hardness...it makes a softer soap 5) it's cheap! I have very little written info on it, but plan on tinkering with it as soon as I'm through this show in March. I'm interested in the added shininess it adds to the soap. Terri Canola oil I found that there are a lot of receipes with canola oil in them, but can't seem to find any benifits of it. Is it good for the skin? Kathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2001 Report Share Posted March 30, 2001 So, will it also cancel out the bubbles from the other oils? Do you think the canola oil would basically be good only for conditioning? The chart I have says that canola isn't good for much lather anyway... Is this kind of canola oil something you would recommend using, or better yet, have you tried it? Thanks again, all the best, Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2001 Report Share Posted March 30, 2001 I was wondering if any one knows if you can use canola oil with silicone (added as a defoaming agent) in making soap. Hi, Weeeellll, you can use it and it will saponify, BUT, the defoaming agent, (in there to keep the oil from foaming up the sides of the vat while frying), will cancel out any bubbles you would hope for from the canola. Think of it as oil that works like DiGel or Gripe Water - the si/di/methicone is used to break up bubbles in your stomach. If you also used coconut/other oils - that would contribute to lather anyway. HTH, Jen http://labcolours.homestead.com/home.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2001 Report Share Posted March 30, 2001 I think it's best to use oils with no additives, but if you already have the oil, I would try a small test batch and see how it performs. I've used coconut oil with dimethylpolysiloxane added as an anti-foaming agent for frying, and it didn't affect lather at all. > So, will it also cancel out the bubbles from the other oils? Do you think the canola oil would basically be good only for conditioning? The chart I have says that canola isn't good for much lather anyway... > Is this kind of canola oil something you would recommend using, or better yet, have you tried it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 Hi, Couple of things... Canola oil was genetically engineered in Canada, (Can for Canadian - ola for oil), to remove the euricic acid from the rapeseed plant...it is perfectly safe to ingest and to use topically. Defoamers not only used in an Industrial application oil - most oils used in restaurants contain a defoamer - when the oil is heated to an exteamly high temp/ the fries go in/ the last thing you want is foaming to occur from the heat and for the oil to boil over the deep fryer onto the floor or worse onto the cook. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 Cathryn Swan wrote: >You might want to research canola (rapeseed) oil further. I always thought >it was a *good* thing but if you do further research you will find it is >quite questionable - for eating and I would think putting on skin. it actually depends on the *kind* of canola oil you're using. the standard food grade canola is quite safe to eat, relatively good for you to ingest, and just fine as an oil in soapmaking. it's got a different percentage of oleic and linoleic acids than the stuff that is engineered for industrial use, which is is NOT good for you. make sure you know which one you have - if it is necessary to add a defoamer, i'm pretty sure it's the industrial kind. ~risa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 Jen, I'm getting a little confused. In your opinion, is it okay to use the canola oil with the defoaming agent? If it's best not to use it, I won't. But being new to soapmaking, I'm still trying to find out as much as I can. It saves on botched batches, cost, and my sanity! Every one on the list has been great ... so helpful!! I hope I can help someone sometime too. Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2001 Report Share Posted April 1, 2001 I'm getting a little confused. In your opinion, is it okay to use the canola oil with the defoaming agent? Dear Kris, I guess the best way to put it is this: If I had it I would use it but I wouldn't go out my way to find it to buy it Canola is not used on it's own because it is too soft and doesn't lather well. Think of it more like a bulking oil/takes up space. I'd add palm and coconut and probably something nice/more pricey like shea butter/almond oil at trace for a superfat/nice conditioning qualities. HTH, Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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