magnets

[Guest guest]

My personal experience is that magnets have not helped. Some friends

of mine are physical therapists and have taken to selling magnets--

the Nikken brand (I find that company to be rather high-pressure and

thus annoying). I tried a magnetic pillow along with a magnetic

mattress pad for a week and found no difference overall--in fact, I

started having migraines (could have been circumstance, or the

magnets) the first day after sleeping on the pillow/pad. The

headaches went away after a couple of days, and I seemed to have no

other effects, positive or negative. However, I don't have so much

pain as fatigue, and it seems that magnets are most consistently

helpful with pain, from what I've heard and read. I bought some

magnetic insoles, and honestly can't tell the difference whether I'm

wearing them or not.

My friends who ended up selling magnets, however, were really

skeptical sort of people, and the difference they saw with the

magnets and pain really impressed them (so much that they got into

selling them). I s'pose if you have a lot of pain, it might be worth

looking into...

<a.j.saugstad@f...> wrote:

>

> I have heard that some CFS patients have been treated with magnets.

Some

> of them have become remarkably better. Do any of you know anything

about

> this? Any articles online about this you could recommend?

>

> Yours,

> s

[Guest guest]

I have CFS/FM and I can't survive without magnets. I got the Therepeutic

brand that Wal-Mart sells, which are probably not the best brand, but they

do work for me. I'd like to invest in a magnetic mattress pad, but it's a

little pricey. But I use wrist wraps, neck wraps, knee wraps in all sorts of

creative ways to wrap around the most painful parts, and it really does help

with the pain. I can't use NSAIDS, and if I didn't have some way to manage

pain, I don't know how I'd survive. I wouldn't be able to get any sleep at

all without the magnets.

lindaj@...

[Guest guest]

I've been to an acupuncturist. The only available acupuncturist that I have

access to is a two hour drive one way, and she isn't very competent in my

opinion. There's a lot more to it than this, but suffice it to say that I am

not going to be seeing her again.

I have also been seeing an NAET therapist outside my state who is also a

licensed acupuncturist, but she felt that acupuncture would do little to

benefit me, so we haven't gone that route with her. I have a lot of

confidence in her competence, and I have to agree with her.

I have a niece with FM who also tried acupuncture and also didn't gain any

benefits from it. I've heard mixed stories from a lot of people. Some people

seem to benefit, and some don't. Maybe it depends upon the skill of the

acupuncturist, or it just isn't the right approach for what my body needs.

I'm not sure. All I know is that I got nothing from the acupuncture

treatments that I had done.

lindaj@...

Re: Magnets

>

>

> I have CFS/FM and I can't survive without magnets. I got the Therepeutic

> brand that Wal-Mart sells, which are probably not the best brand, but they

> do work for me. I'd like to invest in a magnetic mattress pad, but it's a

> little pricey. But I use wrist wraps, neck wraps, knee wraps in all sorts

of

> creative ways to wrap around the most painful parts, and it really does

help

> with the pain. I can't use NSAIDS, and if I didn't have some way to manage

> pain, I don't know how I'd survive. I wouldn't be able to get any sleep at

> all without the magnets.

>

>

> lindaj@...

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Strogly suggest you see an acupucturist.

They have provide me me with Massive pain relief.

Re: Magnets

I have CFS/FM and I can't survive without magnets. I got the Therepeutic

brand that Wal-Mart sells, which are probably not the best brand, but they

do work for me. I'd like to invest in a magnetic mattress pad, but it's a

little pricey. But I use wrist wraps, neck wraps, knee wraps in all sorts of

creative ways to wrap around the most painful parts, and it really does help

with the pain. I can't use NSAIDS, and if I didn't have some way to manage

pain, I don't know how I'd survive. I wouldn't be able to get any sleep at

all without the magnets.

lindaj@...

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

The Nikken magnets you speak of changed my life. I was bedridden before

using them. It took a good month for me to start seeing the difference,

though. Really sick people seem to go through a healing crisis when they

start the products so you have to stick with it. The results were not

overnight. I sleep on a magnetic pad and pillow, insoles, use spot magnets

and the necklace ended my migraines. It prevents them. I can't be without

these products or else I am back in the bed again with unrelenting pain and

fatigue. I am still pretty much house bound but at least I have the will to

live thanks to these products. I can't say enough good things about them.

Pattie in GA

> My personal experience is that magnets have not helped. Some friends

> of mine are physical therapists and have taken to selling magnets--

> the Nikken brand (I find that company to be rather high-pressure and

> thus annoying). I tried a magnetic pillow along with a magnetic

> mattress pad for a week and found no difference overall--in fact, I

> started having migraines (could have been circumstance, or the

> magnets) the first day after sleeping on the pillow/pad. The

> headaches went away after a couple of days, and I seemed to have no

> other effects, positive or negative. However, I don't have so much

> pain as fatigue, and it seems that magnets are most consistently

> helpful with pain, from what I've heard and read. I bought some

> magnetic insoles, and honestly can't tell the difference whether I'm

> wearing them or not.

>

[Guest guest]

Doctors,

The Board has no position for or against the use of, or recommendation for

magnets. It is allowed, but not endorsed by the OBCE in any way.

This issue was researched extensively by the OBCE's ETSDP committee a few years

ago and resulted in this policy change.

Please refer to the OBCE Guide to Policy & Practice Questions, you'll find

answers to many of your questions there. If you have a new policy or practice

question, we appreciate written correspondence for the Board's consideration.

You are welcome to give us a call anytime. (that includes Dr. Abrahamson too :<)

http://www.obce.state.or.us

Dave McTeague, Ex. Dir., OBCE

503-378-5816 ext. 23

>>> " Bono " <bono@...> 02/12/04 11:50AM >>>

What's the boards position on Magnet therapy?

Carl bonofiglio

[Guest guest]

Mr. McTeague (busy with St. 's Day planning) let one go by that

should not have gone.

He said,

> " The Board has no position for or against the use of, or recommendation for

> magnets... "

He should have said, " The Board is not attracted to nor repelled from the

use of magnets... "

Should a physician however, be in possession of what is termed a " magnetic

personality " , he/she is to use it within the scope of reasonable patient

care and to not suggest that its use has been proven to be effective for

medical/chiropractic conditions; unless you have a steel plate in your head,

etc. "

This just had to be said.

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

Please note " New address " 315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

drscott@...

or

info@...

> From: " Dave MCTEAGUE " <Dave.MCTEAGUE@...>

> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:59:12 -0800

> < >

> Subject: Re: magnets

>

> Doctors,

>

> The Board has no position for or against the use of, or recommendation for

> magnets. It is allowed, but not endorsed by the OBCE in any way.

>

> This issue was researched extensively by the OBCE's ETSDP committee a few

> years ago and resulted in this policy change.

>

> Please refer to the OBCE Guide to Policy & Practice Questions, you'll find

> answers to many of your questions there. If you have a new policy or practice

> question, we appreciate written correspondence for the Board's consideration.

> You are welcome to give us a call anytime. (that includes Dr. Abrahamson too

> :<)

>

> http://www.obce.state.or.us

>

> Dave McTeague, Ex. Dir., OBCE

> 503-378-5816 ext. 23

>

>

>>>> " Bono " <bono@...> 02/12/04 11:50AM >>>

> What's the boards position on Magnet therapy?

>

> Carl bonofiglio

>

>

>

>

> OregonDCs rules:

> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster

> communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will

> be tolerated.

> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it

> is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise

> distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her

> consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

>

[Guest guest]

What about the potential application of half a magnet to treat bipolar disorder?

D Freeman Mailing address: 1165 Union Street NE, Suite 300Salem, Oregon 97301ph 503 586-0127 fax 503 763-3581cell 503 871-0715 drmfreeman@...

Re: magnets> > Doctors,> > The Board has no position for or against the use of, or recommendation for> magnets. It is allowed, but not endorsed by the OBCE in any way.> > This issue was researched extensively by the OBCE's ETSDP committee a few> years ago and resulted in this policy change.> > Please refer to the OBCE Guide to Policy & Practice Questions, you'll find> answers to many of your questions there. If you have a new policy or practice> question, we appreciate written correspondence for the Board's consideration.> You are welcome to give us a call anytime. (that includes Dr. Abrahamson too> :<)> > http://www.obce.state.or.us> > Dave McTeague, Ex. Dir., OBCE> 503-378-5816 ext. 23> > >>>> "Bono" <bono@...> 02/12/04 11:50AM >>>> What's the boards position on Magnet therapy?> > Carl bonofiglio> > > > > OregonDCs rules:> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster> communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will> be tolerated.> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it> is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise> distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her> consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.>

[Guest guest]

Sounds repulsive to me

Re: magnets> > Doctors,> > The Board has no position for or against the use of, or recommendation for> magnets. It is allowed, but not endorsed by the OBCE in any way.> > This issue was researched extensively by the OBCE's ETSDP committee a few> years ago and resulted in this policy change.> > Please refer to the OBCE Guide to Policy & Practice Questions, you'll find> answers to many of your questions there. If you have a new policy or practice> question, we appreciate written correspondence for the Board's consideration.> You are welcome to give us a call anytime. (that includes Dr. Abrahamson too> :<)> > http://www.obce.state.or.us> > Dave McTeague, Ex. Dir., OBCE> 503-378-5816 ext. 23> > >>>> "Bono" <bono@...> 02/12/04 11:50AM >>>> What's the boards position on Magnet therapy?> > Carl bonofiglio> > > > > OregonDCs rules:> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster> communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will> be tolerated.> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it> is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise> distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her> consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.>

[Guest guest]

I don't know. . . . I'm kinda attracted to the thought. . . :-)

Re: magnets> > Doctors,> > The Board has no position for or against the use of, or recommendation for> magnets. It is allowed, but not endorsed by the OBCE in any way.> > This issue was researched extensively by the OBCE's ETSDP committee a few> years ago and resulted in this policy change.> > Please refer to the OBCE Guide to Policy & Practice Questions, you'll find> answers to many of your questions there. If you have a new policy or practice> question, we appreciate written correspondence for the Board's consideration.> You are welcome to give us a call anytime. (that includes Dr. Abrahamson too> :<)> > http://www.obce.state.or.us> > Dave McTeague, Ex. Dir., OBCE> 503-378-5816 ext. 23> > >>>> "Bono" <bono@...> 02/12/04 11:50AM >>>> What's the boards position on Magnet therapy?> > Carl bonofiglio> > > > > OregonDCs rules:> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster> communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will> be tolerated.> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it> is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise> distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her> consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.>

[Guest guest]

Might work. Might not.

I don't want to polarize the discussion.

E. Abrahamson, D.C.

Chiropractic physician

Lake Oswego Chiropractic Clinic

Please note " New address " 315 Second Street

Lake Oswego, OR 97034

503-635-6246

drscott@...

or

info@...

From: " Dr. Freeman " <drmfreeman@...>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 13:15:40 -0800

" Oregon DCs \(E-mail\) " < >

Subject: RE: magnets

What about the potential application of half a magnet to treat bipolar disorder?

D Freeman

Mailing address: 1165 Union Street NE, Suite 300

Salem, Oregon 97301

ph 503 586-0127

fax 503 763-3581

cell 503 871-0715

drmfreeman@...

Re: magnets

>

> Doctors,

>

> The Board has no position for or against the use of, or recommendation for

> magnets. It is allowed, but not endorsed by the OBCE in any way.

>

> This issue was researched extensively by the OBCE's ETSDP committee a few

> years ago and resulted in this policy change.

>

> Please refer to the OBCE Guide to Policy & Practice Questions, you'll find

> answers to many of your questions there. If you have a new policy or practice

> question, we appreciate written correspondence for the Board's consideration.

> You are welcome to give us a call anytime. (that includes Dr. Abrahamson too

> :<)

>

> http://www.obce.state.or.us

>

> Dave McTeague, Ex. Dir., OBCE

> 503-378-5816 ext. 23

>

>

>>>> " Bono " <bono@...> 02/12/04 11:50AM >>>

> What's the boards position on Magnet therapy?

>

> Carl bonofiglio

>

>

>

>

> OregonDCs rules:

> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster

> communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will

> be tolerated.

> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. However, it

> is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward, or otherwise

> distribute correspondence written by another member without his or her

> consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

>

[Guest guest]

My opinion of them is this - they use the cheapest magnets they can find.

But do they still " work " ?...I don't know...perhaps...

I would go elsewhere for magnetic products.

Bob B.

magnets

> In a message dated 9/17/04 6:06:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> moonbeam@... writes:

>

> > The short story is to place tape a neodymium magnet over each eye at

night.

> >

>

> Is anyone familiar with the magnets that come in the home medics kits?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/18/04 5:29:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rbeiswenger@... writes:

> My opinion of them is this - they use the cheapest magnets they can find.

> But do they still " work " ?...I don't know...perhaps...

>

> I would go elsewhere for magnetic products.

>

>

> Bob..I can attest to that they definitely work. I have used them for all

sorts of muscular problems and they work very quickly and thoroughly. My

question was geared more toward illness rather than injury.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I think I told you that large neodymium magnets are available from an ebay

search.

I am saying very clearly not to use the magnetic products in some medic kit or

any little ones you

can buy sewn into fabric.

I am saying for a 2 " tumor in the neck to use a 2 " x 0.5 " neodymium magnet on

the tumor.

For prostate cancer or prostitis, a 1.5' x 1 " N. magnet. Sit on the magnet.

Every man on this list will develop prostate cancer - sorry.

When I sit on the 1.5 " x 1 " N. magnet with the pole that faces south, when

floated in a jar in water,

within a minute my prostate hurts.

if I then reverse the polarity and sit on it again, the pain goes away within

a minute.

why is it so?

Because the 1st polarity I used increases circulation and hence swelling, the

other pole reduces

circulation and hence swelling. So i alternate the polarity every few minutes. i

do wish to increase

the circulation, to increase circulation of immune cells in the prostate.

Electric fields change cell permeability of cancer cells causing water loss and

hence apoptosis.

Sore knees, tape N magnet there.

Off Topic subjects.........

63% of Canadians think 9-11 was an inside job and 49.3% of new yorkers agree

with them.

Draft in usa next year - all men and women between 18 and 34. 2 years of active

military service

required.

Very close and very unpredictable 3k long toutatis asteroid here in 10 days -

binoculars or

maginfying glass for viewing? speed 150,000 k/hr.

moonbeam

cures for cancer

From: szukidavis@...

Date sent: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 23:34:41 EDT

Subject: magnets

Send reply to: cures for cancer

> In a message dated 9/17/04 6:06:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> moonbeam@... writes:

>

> > The short story is to place tape a neodymium magnet over each eye at night.

> >

>

> Is anyone familiar with the magnets that come in the home medics kits?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/19/04 6:33:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

rbeiswenger@... writes:

> Wellll, , if they worked for injuries then I would think that they

> would work for illnesses, too. Healing is healing...(though I realize this

> is a very general statement).

Wouldn't you need a much stronger magnet for a tumor than the kind I used

from Homedics?

I can promise anyone on this list or anywhere else that the Homedics magnet

wraps help heal all kinds of pulls, tears, strains, sprains etc. Not only on

people but on the animals I work with.

This week I had strained my left ankle. It was painful and kept me from

being able to get around. I wrapped my Homedics magnets around my ankle and

wore

it all day and night. By the next day there was no pain at all.

Two years ago I pulled a calf muscle to the point where I couldn't walk at

all, which left me unable to even leave the house. I wrapped my calf in 2

Homedics magnet wraps. When I went to the orthopedist's he told me to keep it

elevated and let nature take its course. He also told me to expect serious black

and blue welts all over my leg. It took some time for the pain to subside but

what never happened were those black and blue welts that the doctor predicted.

The magnets kept the circulation going and blood never collected in the

injured area.

Although there is documentation of magnets helping to heal tumors, I have

also read that it can create too much circulation and spread malignant cells. I

would work with a magnet professional when facing such a serious illness, just

to be sure that you reach your goal.

[Guest guest]

Wellll, , if they worked for injuries then I would think that they

would work for illnesses, too. Healing is healing...(though I realize this

is a very general statement). I have found that, at times, people get

wrapped up in the scientific details of things to the point that their

open-mindedness has now become closed-mindedness. This has been especially

true in the field of magnetics, where one can find all kinds of claims made

due to the superior strength (you don't need a gauss sledge hammer; the

field just has to reach some tiny cells and influence them) or configuration

(what is so special about 4 magnets arranged with alternating poles), or

some other gimmick.

The evidence has shown that both pulsed magnetic fields as well as static

fields " work " on healing and injuries. There is no special gauss rating or

pulse frequency that is " the " one...many different ones have been used

successfully. The strength of the magnet has to be sufficient to reach the

injured/ill area, so that depends on the situation. Biological systems have

been shown to respond to weak energy forces better than strong ones (hence

an MRI doesn't seem to cure anyone) and yet homeopathy works.

The North field does seem to have different effects than the South field, so

this is worth considering. Use magnetic products that allow you the choice

of an all North or all South field.

There is a lot of literature on the topic, but bear in mind that you will

find a lot of conflicting information as people/companies try to promote

their product. Everyone thinks they have the better mouse trap.

In the end, the best way to find out, though, is to try them! Good luck!

Bob

Re: magnets

> In a message dated 9/18/04 5:29:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rbeiswenger@... writes:

>

>

> > My opinion of them is this - they use the cheapest magnets they can

find.

> > But do they still " work " ?...I don't know...perhaps...

> >

> > I would go elsewhere for magnetic products.

> >

> >

> > Bob..I can attest to that they definitely work. I have used them for

all

> sorts of muscular problems and they work very quickly and thoroughly. My

> question was geared more toward illness rather than injury.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/19/2004 9:36:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

szukidavis@... writes:

In a message dated 9/19/04 6:33:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

rbeiswenger@... writes:

> Wellll, , if they worked for injuries then I would think that they

> would work for illnesses, too. Healing is healing...(though I realize this

> is a very general statement).

..

..>>>> Well take a look at this for magnets, but not exactly do it yourself.

http://www.amri-mi.com/

mjh

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/19/04 1:41:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rbeiswenger@... writes:

> And, I have yet to see someone " hurt " from the use of magnets, though I

> guess some people could probably find a way...

>

> Bob B.

>

Bob...I have one possible questionable experience..I don't know if the

magnets did any harm but they certainly did not help. Earlier this year when I

was

close to slipping into a coma, it was discovered that my liver had stopped

eliminating ammonia from my system. I was extremely ill and luckily when I

mentioned to my doctor at the time that my urine had an odor of ammonia, she

recognized the problem and perscribed medication which helped clear up the

problem.

I then went for a series of acupuncture treatments to bring down the

inflamation of my liver. They never found out what caused it but thankfully the

problem is currently non existant. At the time this ammonia issue occured, I

was

sleeping on a magnetic mattress pad. I have no idea as to the relationship

between the magnets and the inability of my liver to function properly, but I

decided to never again sleep on magnets.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/19/04 1:08:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

foxhillers@... writes:

> Well take a look at this for magnets, but not exactly do it yourself.

>

> http://www.amri-mi.com/

>

This is extremely interesting. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/19/04 2:48:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rbeiswenger@... writes:

> The use of magnetic fields offers a lot of potential for healing, though

> more research needs to be done

Null stated years ago that the healing modality of the future was

'energy.'

[Guest guest]

Wouldn't you need a much stronger magnet for a tumor than the kind I used

> from Homedics?

OK, this is why I stated in the previous reply, " The strength of the magnet

has to be sufficient to reach the

injured/ill area, so that depends on the situation. "

Re: magnets

> In a message dated 9/19/04 6:33:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rbeiswenger@... writes:

>

>

> > Wellll, , if they worked for injuries then I would think that

they

> > would work for illnesses, too. Healing is healing...(though I realize

this

> > is a very general statement).

>

> Wouldn't you need a much stronger magnet for a tumor than the kind I used

> from Homedics?

> I can promise anyone on this list or anywhere else that the Homedics

magnet

> wraps help heal all kinds of pulls, tears, strains, sprains etc. Not only

on

> people but on the animals I work with.

> This week I had strained my left ankle. It was painful and kept me from

> being able to get around. I wrapped my Homedics magnets around my ankle

and wore

> it all day and night. By the next day there was no pain at all.

> Two years ago I pulled a calf muscle to the point where I couldn't walk at

> all, which left me unable to even leave the house. I wrapped my calf in 2

> Homedics magnet wraps. When I went to the orthopedist's he told me to

keep it

> elevated and let nature take its course. He also told me to expect serious

black

> and blue welts all over my leg. It took some time for the pain to subside

but

> what never happened were those black and blue welts that the doctor

predicted.

> The magnets kept the circulation going and blood never collected in the

> injured area.

> Although there is documentation of magnets helping to heal tumors, I have

> also read that it can create too much circulation and spread malignant

cells. I

> would work with a magnet professional when facing such a serious illness,

just

> to be sure that you reach your goal.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great site! Thanks for passing this on.

The use of magnetic fields offers a lot of potential for healing, though

more research needs to be done. What research HAS been done has been very

POSITIVE in its results, which is very encouraging. This, and the flip-side

of magnetism, electricity, also has a lot to offer. It would be a welcome

alternative to the drugs that are so dangerous they have to be " prescribed "

by a doctor! Strange that these substances are considered as " medicine " ...as

something to help overcome disease... A substance that will make a well

person sick is a " medicine " for a sick person?

Bob B.

Re: magnets

> In a message dated 9/19/2004 9:36:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> szukidavis@... writes:

> In a message dated 9/19/04 6:33:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rbeiswenger@... writes:

>

>

> > Wellll, , if they worked for injuries then I would think that

they

> > would work for illnesses, too. Healing is healing...(though I realize

this

> > is a very general statement).

> .

> .>>>> Well take a look at this for magnets, but not exactly do it

yourself.

>

> http://www.amri-mi.com/

>

> mjh

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can relate to all of the positive experience you have mentioned. I, too,

have seen firsthand many positive results by those who experimented with

magnets for a variety of illnesses and/or injuries. The magnetic fields DO

seem to accelerate the healing process, no matter what the skeptics may say.

When I first began investigating the use of magnets for healing, I, too, was

skeptical of the numerous claims that were made - I saw a LIST of them in a

book and laughed to myself about the claims. About 2 years later, I found

that I had personally observed many of those items on the list as being

true! I went from being somewhat doubtful, to being a believer from what I

had observed.

And, I have yet to see someone " hurt " from the use of magnets, though I

guess some people could probably find a way...

Bob B.

Re: magnets

> In a message dated 9/19/04 6:33:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rbeiswenger@... writes:

>

>

> > Wellll, , if they worked for injuries then I would think that

they

> > would work for illnesses, too. Healing is healing...(though I realize

this

> > is a very general statement).

>

> Wouldn't you need a much stronger magnet for a tumor than the kind I used

> from Homedics?

> I can promise anyone on this list or anywhere else that the Homedics

magnet

> wraps help heal all kinds of pulls, tears, strains, sprains etc. Not only

on

> people but on the animals I work with.

> This week I had strained my left ankle. It was painful and kept me from

> being able to get around. I wrapped my Homedics magnets around my ankle

and wore

> it all day and night. By the next day there was no pain at all.

> Two years ago I pulled a calf muscle to the point where I couldn't walk at

> all, which left me unable to even leave the house. I wrapped my calf in 2

> Homedics magnet wraps. When I went to the orthopedist's he told me to

keep it

> elevated and let nature take its course. He also told me to expect serious

black

> and blue welts all over my leg. It took some time for the pain to subside

but

> what never happened were those black and blue welts that the doctor

predicted.

> The magnets kept the circulation going and blood never collected in the

> injured area.

> Although there is documentation of magnets helping to heal tumors, I have

> also read that it can create too much circulation and spread malignant

cells. I

> would work with a magnet professional when facing such a serious illness,

just

> to be sure that you reach your goal.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, you said, " I have no idea as to the relationship

> between the magnets and the inability of my liver to function

properly,... "

My question is: why did you place blame on the magnetic mattress pad?

There are a LOT of magnetic mattress pad users out there (myself included)

who have not had an inflamed liver. I bet that there are some better

culprits to blame out there than that magnetic mattress pad... Besides, that

inflammation is your body's response to some sort of dis-ease, right?

Perhaps, just perhaps, that liver did not have the energy required to fight

the dis-ease until the magnetic field gave it the extra burst of energy it

needed to HAVE an inflammatory response! The extra heat generated in the

inflammatory response makes one's white blood cells more active and

efficient, which is a good thing.

Soooo, there's more than one way to consider this, and I tend to go to the

positive outlook since there is an abundance of data out there supporting

the safety of magnetic fields.

Bob B.

Re: magnets

> In a message dated 9/19/04 1:41:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> rbeiswenger@... writes:

>

>

> > And, I have yet to see someone " hurt " from the use of magnets, though I

> > guess some people could probably find a way...

> >

> > Bob B.

> >

>

> Bob...I have one possible questionable experience..I don't know if the

> magnets did any harm but they certainly did not help. Earlier this year

when I was

> close to slipping into a coma, it was discovered that my liver had stopped

> eliminating ammonia from my system. I was extremely ill and luckily when

I

> mentioned to my doctor at the time that my urine had an odor of ammonia,

she

> recognized the problem and perscribed medication which helped clear up the

problem.

> I then went for a series of acupuncture treatments to bring down the

> inflamation of my liver. They never found out what caused it but

thankfully the

> problem is currently non existant. At the time this ammonia issue

occured, I was

> sleeping on a magnetic mattress pad. I have no idea as to the

relationship

> between the magnets and the inability of my liver to function properly,

but I

> decided to never again sleep on magnets.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bob..thank you for your insights. They make a lot of sense. I wasn't blaming

the magnetic mattress pad, I was unclear as to what had caused the problem

and am concerned about it repeating itself (since I don't know the original

cause) so I decided to eliminate any and all potential causes.

I don't know that my liver was fighting anything. It was completely unable

to flush out ammonia, a life threatening substance in high doses. What caused

this condition will likely remain a life long mystery. I am very careful now

which nutrients I take and refrain from taking too many at one time. I don't

know if I will go back to the mattress pad. Perhaps in time.

> My question is: why did you place blame on the magnetic mattress pad?

>

> There are a LOT of magnetic mattress pad users out there (myself included)

> who have not had an inflamed liver. I bet that there are some better

> culprits to blame out there than that magnetic mattress pad... Besides, that

> inflammation is your body's response to some sort of dis-ease, right?

> Perhaps, just perhaps, that liver did not have the energy required to fight

> the dis-ease until the magnetic field gave it the extra burst of energy it

> needed to HAVE an inflammatory response! The extra heat generated in the

> inflammatory response makes one's white blood cells more active and

> efficient, which is a good thing.

>