just curious

[Guest guest]

On my own. I do not want to have to use specific products, and I

don't have the time/energy to devote to this as a competition.

n T.

age 50

C2-W9-D2

[Guest guest]

> It never occurred to me to officially enter when I did my first

> challenge. I'm wondering if I should the next round. I tried to

> learn more about the process, but this computer won't let me download

> the packet. Is it worth it in your opinion?

I think if YOU think it is something that will float your boat, go for

it!

As for me -- I'm doing it on my own. Competition doesn't interest me

and for me just doing it is enough of a challenge.

VeganMom

[Guest guest]

I tried to enter once in 2000 when I first started but there was too

much fine print to stick to in order to make it official, so I simply

went out on my own and did it and the rest is history. Just looking at

those people who won the prizes every year was inspiration enough for

me.

Stasia

[Guest guest]

I'm always hungry )

>

> do you guys get hungry in time for your next meal,or you just don't

> get a chance to go there?

>

[Guest guest]

Yep...the only meal I'm sometimes not really hungry for is meal 6

felicityturner <Felizatee@...> wrote: do you guys get hungry in time

for your next meal,or you just don't

get a chance to go there?

[Guest guest]

I had a very bad experience with Levaquin. I was taking it along with

other abx's for Lyme and the drug affected the bones and joints in my

writs. I was unable to use my writs for a long time. I had to wear

braces on both wrists for two month and had pain for six months. I

will never use that drug again. Cipro does not seem to have the same

effect on me.

Sydney

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

I took Cipro with no long term effects. Also we are well aware of the possible

tendon damage (has been covered before on this group many times).

Fail to see how this could be confused with CFS?

Kindest regards,

Annette

---------------------------------

All new " The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease

of use. " - PC Magazine

[Guest guest]

I had a very bad short term reaction to Levaquan this year. Tinnitis way up, and

some awful affect on brain/CNS and weak?. I rode it out for 3 days, then had to

go the ER. My hearing was down at least 30%, but don't know if that was the drug

or the infection I was treating.

Katrina

>

> I had a very bad experience with Levaquin. I was taking it along with

> other abx's for Lyme and the drug affected the bones and joints in my

> writs. I was unable to use my writs for a long time. I had to wear

> braces on both wrists for two month and had pain for six months. I

> will never use that drug again. Cipro does not seem to have the same

> effect on me.

>

> Sydney

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I took Levaquin last fall after developing what the doctor

diagnosed as mastitis. It didn't do anything for the mastitis which

ended up being a cyst which I had removed.

Unfortunately, I ended up with severe shoulder pain and mobility

problems. I can't say for sure it was the quinolone but it seemed

to be weird that it coincided with the quinolone use. Of course the

doctors thought I was crazy when I mentioned the link between tendon

pain and quinolones.

The pain continued for about 10 months. Physical therapy seemed to

inflame it. It just slowly got better by itself. I now have pretty

good mobility and no pain. I still need to be careful of not over-

extending to keep it calm.

Lynn

>

> How many people on this web site have ever been given a quinolone

> antibiotic? (ie. Cipro, Levaquin, Tequin, Avelox...)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Look out. You will wish you never asked about quinolones.

I would give a LOT to have never taken Levaquin and Avalox for two months.

They alone have just about destroyed me for the past three years.

They have caused me to almost not be able to walk, and I have weird anxiety

attacks in the middle of the night for no reason. I just have to lie there

and hold on til the horrible feeling passes.

Quinolones have been a complete nightmare - one of the worst things in my

entire life. I am not exaggerating.

I also cannot even drink tonic water as it has a similar molecule. So does

Artimisinin, Cat's claw and samento.

I can send scientific articles documenting this problem.

If you HAVE to take a quinolone watch for the symptoms of severe side

effects. Remember the side effects may be permanent in some cases. Take a

ton of magnesium taurinate to help avoid the risk.

And you make a good point - if you take a quinolone the damage will look

just like the disease you are trying to cure. If you must take a quinolone,

do not take it longterm and watch out for symptoms which will seem to be an

exacerbation of the disease. Gosh, I wouldn't take 'em if my life depended

on it. There are other families of antibiotics that work just as well and

are much safer. You know minocycline and Zithromax kill borrelia. What is

wrong with that?

a Carnes

Posted by: " onemandysss "

<mailto:onemandysss@...?Subject=Re:%20Just%20curious>

onemandysss@... <onemandysss> onemandysss

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:51 pm (PST)

How many people on this web site have ever been given a quinolone

antibiotic? (ie. Cipro, Levaquin, Tequin, Avelox...)

CFS and Fibromyalgia share much in common with the possible long term

effects of these medications.

[Guest guest]

Okay, I am just about at overload. Because it sure seems that very few

things are hard/fast except a few things not to take no matter what. Must

be related to how we process meds and other things can vary widely?

First, outlook crashed, had to uninstall/reinstall graphics driver. So just

catching up.

Add me to the people who have had the below -- I just took two rounds of

Cipro for diverticulitis. And I think I've had it previously.

a, I'd be interested in seeing the documentation you reference below.

Thanks,

Laurel

Re: Just curious

Look out. You will wish you never asked about quinolones.

I would give a LOT to have never taken Levaquin and Avalox for two months.

They alone have just about destroyed me for the past three years.

They have caused me to almost not be able to walk, and I have weird anxiety

attacks in the middle of the night for no reason. I just have to lie there

and hold on til the horrible feeling passes.

Quinolones have been a complete nightmare - one of the worst things in my

entire life. I am not exaggerating.

I also cannot even drink tonic water as it has a similar molecule. So does

Artimisinin, Cat's claw and samento.

I can send scientific articles documenting this problem.

If you HAVE to take a quinolone watch for the symptoms of severe side

effects. Remember the side effects may be permanent in some cases. Take a

ton of magnesium taurinate to help avoid the risk.

And you make a good point - if you take a quinolone the damage will look

just like the disease you are trying to cure. If you must take a quinolone,

do not take it longterm and watch out for symptoms which will seem to be an

exacerbation of the disease. Gosh, I wouldn't take 'em if my life depended

on it. There are other families of antibiotics that work just as well and

are much safer. You know minocycline and Zithromax kill borrelia. What is

wrong with that?

a Carnes

Posted by: " onemandysss "

<mailto:onemandysss@ <mailto:onemandysss%40>

?Subject=Re:%20Just%20curious>

onemandysss@ <mailto:onemandysss%40> <http://profiles.

<onemandysss> /onemandysss> onemandysss

Tue Jul 25, 2006 8:51 pm (PST)

How many people on this web site have ever been given a quinolone

antibiotic? (ie. Cipro, Levaquin, Tequin, Avelox...)

CFS and Fibromyalgia share much in common with the possible long term

effects of these medications.

[Guest guest]

On Jul 25, 2006, at 8:26 PM, onemandysss wrote:

> How many people on this web site have ever been given a quinolone

> antibiotic? (ie. Cipro, Levaquin, Tequin, Avelox...)

I took Levaquin for six weeks in 1998 to cover a trip to Costa Rica.

I did not notice any effects one way or another. (In fact, IIRC, my

energy was pretty good for the entire trip.)

Sara

[Guest guest]

Hi Annette,

Quinolone antibiotics don't just affect tendons and joints you are

grossly mistaken if that is all you believe they can do.

They cross the blood brain barrier and can affect the CNS and PNS as

well as the thyroid, liver and metabolism of many hormones.

A combined mild impairment of all of these organs and tissues can

certainly mask as CFS.

Sicerely,

Mandy

>

> Hi there,

>

> I took Cipro with no long term effects. Also we are well aware of

the possible tendon damage (has been covered before on this group

many times).

>

> Fail to see how this could be confused with CFS?

>

> Kindest regards,

> Annette

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> All new " The new Interface is stunning in its

simplicity and ease of use. " - PC Magazine

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Here is some info. on the various bodily functions affected by quinoles.

http://www.fqresearch.org/fqtoxicity.htm

http://www.fqresearch.org/dna_14.htm

You can suffer long term effects without joint pain.

Thanks,

M

>

> How many people on this web site have ever been given a quinolone

> antibiotic? (ie. Cipro, Levaquin, Tequin, Avelox...)

>

> CFS and Fibromyalgia share much in common with the possible long term

> effects of these medications.

>

[Guest guest]

Annette,

You are fortunate that you were not harmed by cipro. Many people are, not

just folks with cfs. And the damage looks exactly like cfs or severe

fibromyalgia.

I can personally attest to this, but there is plenty online if you google

quinolones and cohen and tendons and cns.

The fact that this topic has been covered many times here and elsewhere has

not stopped many patients' doctors from prescribing longterm doses of

quinolones. This is classic of how the medical profession does not know the

risks of many of the drugs they prescribe.

This makes me very angry. I will continue to repost the research articles I

have on this anytime some patient on this list mentions quinolones. I feel

it is my civic duty.

a

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onemandysss@... <onemandysss> onemandysss

Thu Jul 27, 2006 10:47 am (PST)

Hi Annette,

Quinolone antibiotics don't just affect tendons and joints you are

grossly mistaken if that is all you believe they can do.

They cross the blood brain barrier and can affect the CNS and PNS as

well as the thyroid, liver and metabolism of many hormones.

A combined mild impairment of all of these organs and tissues can

certainly mask as CFS.

Sicerely,

Mandy

>

> Hi there,

>

> I took Cipro with no long term effects. Also we are well aware of

the possible tendon damage (has been covered before on this group

many times).

>

> Fail to see how this could be confused with CFS?

>

> Kindest regards,

> Annette

[Guest guest]

Oh my!

Again quinolones.I already knew that my knee damage was because of them.

So,frozen shoulder also could be because of them?!.What can one do to repair

the damage?My knee damage did not get better. It flames whenever I have some

energy to increase my walking.I used quinolones on and of during the past 15

years.

Nil

Re: Just curious

> Yes, I took Levaquin last fall after developing what the doctor

> diagnosed as mastitis. It didn't do anything for the mastitis which

> ended up being a cyst which I had removed.

>

> Unfortunately, I ended up with severe shoulder pain and mobility

> problems. I can't say for sure it was the quinolone but it seemed

> to be weird that it coincided with the quinolone use. Of course the

> doctors thought I was crazy when I mentioned the link between tendon

> pain and quinolones.

>

[Guest guest]

I never had a problem from Cipro, but when I was on Levaquin for several months

the tendons in my knees were damaged. 5 years later and I am " cured " but I

still have the tendon issue.

Doris

[Guest guest]

Most of my current health problems are from Levaquin and Avalox. I wish I

had never taken them.

What can you do? The two things that have helped me are magnesium taurinate

which I buy from Vitacost online. And Recuperation which I buy from Spain

online.

a

[Guest guest]

Lorraine wrote:

>

>

> Hi I am new here but I am just curious how many of you had HELLP

> syndrome and/or Pre Eclampsia. I think there is a correlation and hope

> to get someone to do a study one of these days.Email me direct if you did.

>

My pregnancy/labor/delivery was totally normal and drug-free.

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

“I have a feeling that my boat has struck, down there in the depths,

against a great thing. And nothing happens! Nothing ... Silence ...

Waves. Nothing happens? Or Has everything Happened and we are standing

now, quietly, in the new life?”

-- Ramon Jimenez (1881-1958) Spanish lyric poet

[Guest guest]

I've got the same question. I keep hearing all of these horror stories

on here about people getting infected and having their bands removed and

it seems like the cause is an infected needle stick, or a doctor that

didn't use flouroscopy. I asked my doctor about whether he had to do so

many more fills to hit the sweet spot because he didn't use flouroscopy

and had to just use trial and error and small fills to be able to tell

when an unfill is needed. He said watching a swallow on flouroscopy was

no indication of whether you were too full or not unless you were so

tight that not even liquids could get through, otherwise it was still a

trial and error process. He also said that flouroscopy was only mildy

useful in hitting the port with the needle and no guarantee whatsoever

that you would miss the tubing with the needle.

I think it is human nature to hear a story about something bad happening

to someone else and convince ourselves that if we just adjust and turn

the screwdriver a little bit, that it won't happen to us. I think the

reality is that sometimes, no matter how good we are and what

precautions we take, random bad stuff can still happen to us and we just

need to struggle and work our ways through it.

Greg P.

miamiangel888 wrote:

>

>

> What are REALLY the odds of getting an infection from being stuck more

> than once with the same needle? Honestly, not longshot-wise. I mean

> it goes from YOUR flesh back into YOUR flesh. Where is it picking up

> the so called infection; from the two seconds it was airborne? I would

> think that unless you are in an already toxic environment, that the

> odds of it happening that particular way are extremely rare.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just being curious with the odds ?? has caused more than enough problems around here lets see I can think of atleast three and im sure there are more that did get infection one lost here band, the other a port, and as with the other all the fun of fighting off a very very bad infection!!! Maybe there are odds that no infection but WHY would a good Dr. take that risk over a fresh needle and two seconds of his time. In my case if I ever go outside Dr. A again im going to offer to pay for the extra needle just so it don't happen to me. NOT WORTH THE CHANCE!!!! :~)) miamiangel888 <miamiangel888@...> wrote: What are REALLY the odds of getting an infection from being stuck more than once with the same needle? Honestly, not longshot-wise. I mean it goes from YOUR flesh back into YOUR flesh. Where is it picking up the so called infection; from the two seconds it was airborne? I would think that unless you are in an already toxic environment, that the odds of it happening that particular way are extremely rare.

Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut.

[Guest guest]

I have had a fill with and attempted fill wothout fluro. With they never miss

they prot and get it in the first try. There was no pushing and prying of the

needle. You could clearly see the tubing, port and everything thing else. Now

when I attempted a fill without fluro. The gal pushed and pushed and poked and

stabbed. About 7 times and kept saying that was tubing, that was the edges of

the port. After all the poking and pushing she could not access the port. My

problem is my port rocks . But I am sure everyones does after some weight loss.

I am fortunate to be close enough to go back to Dr A each time. And there are a

handful of Dr in my area that uses fluro without price gouging. I will always

use fluro. Protect the band!!! LOL.

KIra

---- " G. " <allen@...> wrote:

> I've got the same question. I keep hearing all of these horror stories

> on here about people getting infected and having their bands removed and

> it seems like the cause is an infected needle stick, or a doctor that

> didn't use flouroscopy. I asked my doctor about whether he had to do so

> many more fills to hit the sweet spot because he didn't use flouroscopy

> and had to just use trial and error and small fills to be able to tell

> when an unfill is needed. He said watching a swallow on flouroscopy was

> no indication of whether you were too full or not unless you were so

> tight that not even liquids could get through, otherwise it was still a

> trial and error process. He also said that flouroscopy was only mildy

> useful in hitting the port with the needle and no guarantee whatsoever

> that you would miss the tubing with the needle.

>

> I think it is human nature to hear a story about something bad happening

> to someone else and convince ourselves that if we just adjust and turn

> the screwdriver a little bit, that it won't happen to us. I think the

> reality is that sometimes, no matter how good we are and what

> precautions we take, random bad stuff can still happen to us and we just

> need to struggle and work our ways through it.

>

> Greg P.

>

> miamiangel888 wrote:

> >

> >

> > What are REALLY the odds of getting an infection from being stuck more

> > than once with the same needle? Honestly, not longshot-wise. I mean

> > it goes from YOUR flesh back into YOUR flesh. Where is it picking up

> > the so called infection; from the two seconds it was airborne? I would

> > think that unless you are in an already toxic environment, that the

> > odds of it happening that particular way are extremely rare.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I have not been banded yet but with all the research I have done I

don't see any way a couple of needle sticks with the same needle

would have anymore chance of infection than sticking you once as it

is exposed to air & the needle just goes to the port which is

separate from the rest of your stomach, but I'm no expert.

Steve

[Guest guest]

, it's been 15 months for me, and yes, I can still feel implant. Judy in

Jax, FL

>

> >

> Just wanted to ask those with the CIs, I just had my

> CI surgery April 3rd and was wondering if you all can

> actually palpate the device on your head? Is there

> always a lump? Mine's not prominent or anything, but

> I was just curious if it will always be that palpable.

> I know I still am healing and that the swelling isn't

> completely gone. Just curious.

>

> Aiello

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I can not feel mine at all

> >

> > >

> > Just wanted to ask those with the CIs, I just had my

> > CI surgery April 3rd and was wondering if you all can

> > actually palpate the device on your head? Is there

> > always a lump? Mine's not prominent or anything, but

> > I was just curious if it will always be that palpable.

> > I know I still am healing and that the swelling isn't

> > completely gone. Just curious.

> >

> > Aiello

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >