Goat's milk

[Guest guest]

Caroline

Why don't you just buy a quart of goat's milk in the dairy section of

your supermarket where the cow's milk is sold? There's where I get mine when

I can't get it fresh from a goat in the neighborhood.

mjh

In a message dated 9/14/02 10:59:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sfglover@... writes:

> Dear veterans,

>

> Dr. Goldberg says in the " Diet Do's and Don'ts " that the kids can have

> goat's milk. Well, I hate Feta Cheese, but recently I got nervy and bought

> a can of goat's milk. It is now sitting on the shelf daring me to open it

> and I have no idea what to use it for (and really have no idea why I bought

> it!). Does anyone out there use it for ANYTHING? Does it taste as strong

> as Feta?

>

> Caroline

>

[Guest guest]

There is also goat milk yogurt that I have purchased at Whole Foods Market.

A bit more expensive than dairy yogurt. I think it is good. My husband

doesn't. Use the goats milk for anything you would use cows milk.

[Guest guest]

Caroline Glover <sfglover@...> wrote:

Dear veterans,

Dr. Goldberg says in the " Diet Do's and Don'ts " that the kids can have

goat's milk. Well, I hate Feta Cheese, but recently I got nervy and bought

a can of goat's milk. It is now sitting on the shelf daring me to open it

and I have no idea what to use it for (and really have no idea why I bought

it!). Does anyone out there use it for ANYTHING? Does it taste as strong

as Feta?

Caroline

HI Caroline,

I have not used goats milk yet but I have used goat cheese they have some very

good mild cheeses including a mozzarella goat cheese which is very good the

brand I use is woolwhich dairy it makes great pizza

[Guest guest]

Goat milk is very good and good for you. Use it for anything you would

use other milk for.

TAMMY BLANCHETTE wrote:

>

> Caroline Glover <sfglover@...> wrote:

>Dear veterans,

>

>Dr. Goldberg says in the " Diet Do's and Don'ts " that the kids can have

>goat's milk. Well, I hate Feta Cheese, but recently I got nervy and bought

>a can of goat's milk. It is now sitting on the shelf daring me to open it

>and I have no idea what to use it for (and really have no idea why I bought

>it!). Does anyone out there use it for ANYTHING? Does it taste as strong

>as Feta?

>

>Caroline

>HI Caroline,

>

>I have not used goats milk yet but I have used goat cheese they have some very

good mild cheeses including a mozzarella goat cheese which is very good the

brand I use is woolwhich dairy it makes great pizza

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The flavor of milk for any mammal reflects the female's diet. If a

nursing mom eats garlic, for example, her babe will get garlic flavored milk.

Same with goats and cows.

mjh

In a message dated 9/16/02 11:25:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

donnaaron@... writes:

> I was allergic to cow's milk as a young child, and given goat's milk

> instead. I remember it tasted a bit " stronger " than cow's milk, but

> nothing like Feta cheese!

>

[Guest guest]

We tried Goats milk at the very beginning for (as per the " Do's and

Dont's " ) as an alternative to regular milk - it tastes fine. The casein or

milk protein in goats milk is more easily digestible. We thought what a

stroke of luck as there are several goat dairies here that deliver

pasteurised and homogenised milk! I felt comfortable about this as my dad

was raised on goats milk when very young!! We started the diet about 8 weeks

prior to our first visit to Dr G, having had all the labs done except the

allergy panel - which we had done while there. Unfortunately for he

showed up " very significant " on the Meridian Valley Labs reactive scale - 8

weeks was enough to induce a positive allergic response!

Do try it, if your child can tolerate it it will make adhering to the diet a

whole lot easier.

Goat's Milk

Dear veterans,

Dr. Goldberg says in the " Diet Do's and Don'ts " that the kids can have

goat's milk. Well, I hate Feta Cheese, but recently I got nervy and bought

a can of goat's milk. It is now sitting on the shelf daring me to open it

and I have no idea what to use it for (and really have no idea why I bought

it!). Does anyone out there use it for ANYTHING? Does it taste as strong

as Feta?

Caroline

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the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

opinion of the Research Institute.

[Guest guest]

I was allergic to cow's milk as a young child, and given goat's milk instead. I

remember it tasted a bit " stronger " than cow's milk, but nothing like Feta

cheese!

Goat's Milk

Dear veterans,

Dr. Goldberg says in the " Diet Do's and Don'ts " that the kids can have

goat's milk. Well, I hate Feta Cheese, but recently I got nervy and bought

a can of goat's milk. It is now sitting on the shelf daring me to open it

and I have no idea what to use it for (and really have no idea why I bought

it!). Does anyone out there use it for ANYTHING? Does it taste as strong

as Feta?

Caroline

Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

opinion of the Research Institute.

[Guest guest]

Goat's milk tastes pretty good, believe it or not. We use it in pancakes and

waffles, and my NT daughter uses it on cereal. My wife and I drink it

occasionally. Our son, recovered from a PDD diagnosis, drinks soy milk, and

loves the stuff.

Warren

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks so much for this reply. We had the Meridian Labs run, too, but have

as yet been unsuccessful in obtaining a copy of the results from Meridian

for our personal perusal (tried three times). We hope to receive a copy

from Dr. G with with the next round of blood work scripts.

Does the lab specifically list goat's milk in the results... or what should

I look at in the results when I get them?

Was this in the regular (that we all do) or the exotic food screen?

Caroline

>On 9/16/02 10:04 AM, " R M " <rmwilson@...> wrote:

> Unfortunately for he

> showed up " very significant " on the Meridian Valley Labs reactive scale - 8

> weeks was enough to induce a positive allergic response!

[Guest guest]

It lists specifically Goats milk, and is in the regular screen.

In our second allergy screen - about a year later, his reactivity to Goat's

Milk had dropped from Significant to just in the equivoval range.

Re: Goat's Milk

,

Thanks so much for this reply. We had the Meridian Labs run, too, but have

as yet been unsuccessful in obtaining a copy of the results from Meridian

for our personal perusal (tried three times). We hope to receive a copy

from Dr. G with with the next round of blood work scripts.

Does the lab specifically list goat's milk in the results... or what should

I look at in the results when I get them?

Was this in the regular (that we all do) or the exotic food screen?

Caroline

>On 9/16/02 10:04 AM, " R M " <rmwilson@...> wrote:

> Unfortunately for he

> showed up " very significant " on the Meridian Valley Labs reactive scale -

8

> weeks was enough to induce a positive allergic response!

Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

opinion of the Research Institute.

[Guest guest]

What's the difference between Meridian's lab allergy screen and other IgG

allergy screens done by, say Great Smokies Lab or Great Plains Lab? Is

there a difference? We had ours done by Great Smokies and I have doubts

about its accuracy (I suspect false positives). How much is Meridian's, and

do you need it to be ordered by an MD who has an account with them, or can

you request the kit yourself and then get an MD signature on your own like

Great Plains does?

Thanks, Becky

Re: Goat's Milk

>

>

> ,

>

> Thanks so much for this reply. We had the Meridian Labs run, too, but

have

> as yet been unsuccessful in obtaining a copy of the results from Meridian

> for our personal perusal (tried three times). We hope to receive a copy

> from Dr. G with with the next round of blood work scripts.

>

> Does the lab specifically list goat's milk in the results... or what

should

> I look at in the results when I get them?

>

> Was this in the regular (that we all do) or the exotic food screen?

>

> Caroline

>

>

>

>

>

> >On 9/16/02 10:04 AM, " R M " <rmwilson@...> wrote:

>

> > Unfortunately for he

> > showed up " very significant " on the Meridian Valley Labs reactive

scale -

> 8

> > weeks was enough to induce a positive allergic response!

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much.

Caroline

>On 9/17/02 11:41 PM, " R M " <rmwilson@...> wrote:

> It lists specifically Goats milk, and is in the regular screen.

>

> In our second allergy screen - about a year later, his reactivity to Goat's

> Milk had dropped from Significant to just in the equivoval range.

>

> Re: Goat's Milk

>

>

> ,

>

> Thanks so much for this reply. We had the Meridian Labs run, too, but have

> as yet been unsuccessful in obtaining a copy of the results from Meridian

> for our personal perusal (tried three times). We hope to receive a copy

> from Dr. G with with the next round of blood work scripts.

>

> Does the lab specifically list goat's milk in the results... or what should

> I look at in the results when I get them?

>

> Was this in the regular (that we all do) or the exotic food screen?

>

> Caroline

[Guest guest]

Becky,

The Meridian Lab 95 food screen is around $100 (this is the screen that he

refers to in the Proposed Work-Up). I believe I have heard that Dr.

Goldberg thinks Great Smokies Lab unreliable (someone please correct me if

I'm wrong). Food Screening is a tricky thing, anyway. Dr. Goldberg

recommends Meridian Labs.

I'm sorry I don't know the answers to the rest of your questions, but the

phone # for Meridian Labs is 253-859-8700.

Caroline

> What's the difference between Meridian's lab allergy screen and other IgG

> allergy screens done by, say Great Smokies Lab or Great Plains Lab?

> Is there a difference? We had ours done by Great Smokies and I have doubts

> about its accuracy (I suspect false positives). How much is Meridian's, and

> do you need it to be ordered by an MD who has an account with them, or can

> you request the kit yourself and then get an MD signature on your own like

> Great Plains does?

> Thanks, Becky

[Guest guest]

Last night, in the middle of the night, I woke up with gas in my stomach.

When this has happened in the past, I am usually kept awake for 2-3 hours

and then, as my stomach somehow settles the problem, I get back to sleep.

In the past I haven't taken anything for it because a) I tend to think it's

detoxing -- usually connected with some fruit (zucchini or apple) in my

juice -- and so maybe not a bad thing and the only thing I have on hand

or can think of to take is baking soda -- and I hate the idea of ingesting

all that sodium. But last night I thought of the posts on goat's milk as an

alkanilizer, and I decided to try some of my new raw goat's milk cheese.

Well, I had more than I intended (love the stuff) -- maybe 2-3 oz. -- but

soon afterwards I was in bed and right away fell into sleep. Maybe a

coincidence, but I'll certainly try it the next time my tummy starts talking

back to me.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

> Last night, in the middle of the night, I woke up with gas in my

stomach.

.... In the past I haven't taken anything for it because a) I tend to

think it's

> detoxing -- usually connected with some fruit (zucchini or apple) in my

> juice -- and so maybe not a bad thing..

,

That's very promising about the late-night goat cheese cure, hehe.

But I wonder why you consider gas to be a detox symptom?

B.

[Guest guest]

,

<But I wonder why you consider gas to be a detox symptom? >

I think it's likely to be that in my case because my diet is fairly pristine

(organic, raw, grass-fed, etc. etc.)doesn't have a lot of variety in it, and

only rarely fruit. So it's pretty easy to make the connection between

suddenly having gas and what I consider an otherwise " good " and

non-allergenic item such as fruit. Also, I think all fruit tends to be

cleansing (as opposed to veggies which I think are generally building.)

Probably lots of folks, even on SAD diets, get gas when they eat too much

fruit. I can get it when I have just a teensy amount because at this point

in time it's very easy for me to slip into detox mode.

Not sure I'm being clear here, but basically my idea is that fruit will

cleanse (or the body will try, if it has the ability, to use fruit for

cleansing) and it may do that with some junk food recently ingested or it

may do that with junk food ingested decades ago and now living on as scar

tissue in the body. I also assume it's a detox process in my case because

stomach gas was something I lived with on a constant basis decades ago -- so

it's likely a symptom being " recalled " in the healing process -- as is

another symptom I've been having from long ago: a mild, persistant rise in

temperature starting in midmorning and reaching about 99.5 or so in the

mid-afternoon. Then there's also the question of elimination which has been

telling, but probably doesn't need telling here. <g>

So, that's all my thinking on what's happening with me and gas. Not

completely sure of any of it. But it's the best I can do to make sense of

my experience.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

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>So it's pretty easy to make the connection between

>suddenly having gas and what I consider an otherwise " good " and

>non-allergenic item such as fruit. Also, I think all fruit tends to be

>cleansing (as opposed to veggies which I think are generally building.)

>Probably lots of folks, even on SAD diets, get gas when they eat too much

>fruit. I can get it when I have just a teensy amount because at this point

>in time it's very easy for me to slip into detox mode.

There doesn't have to be any cleansing going on for you to have gas. You

just have to provide a carbon source that microbes in your gut can gobble

up faster than you do. Fruit, being full of sugar, can be perfect for that

purpose. (Well, that " purpose " .)

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[Guest guest]

,

<There doesn't have to be any cleansing going on for you to have gas. You

just have to provide a carbon source that microbes in your gut can gobble

up faster than you do. Fruit, being full of sugar, can be perfect for that

purpose. (Well, that " purpose " .)

I can accept that the production of gas is not always linked to, and

therefore not necessarily a symptom of, a cleansing action. But given my

circumstances and the other symptoms I experience, I think it's likely that

in my case that the gas is, at least, something that coincidentally happens

when I eat fruit which is cleansing for me.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

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>I can accept that the production of gas is not always linked to, and

>therefore not necessarily a symptom of, a cleansing action. But given my

>circumstances and the other symptoms I experience, I think it's likely that

>in my case that the gas is, at least, something that coincidentally happens

>when I eat fruit which is cleansing for me.

I suggest you read _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall to

gain a better understanding of digestion.

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[Guest guest]

,

<I suggest you read _Breaking the Vicious Cycle_ by Elaine Gottschall to

gain a better understanding of digestion.

I have read Elaine's book, was on the list, and the SCD formed part of my

journey leading to where I am now. If I am still in the dark about

something I should understand, or I am wrong in thinking that gas can

accompany detoxification, I guess I'll have to wait until someone has the

patience to explain it to me.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

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>I have read Elaine's book, was on the list, and the SCD formed part of my

>journey leading to where I am now. If I am still in the dark about

>something I should understand, or I am wrong in thinking that gas can

>accompany detoxification, I guess I'll have to wait until someone has the

>patience to explain it to me.

I'm running out of time this morning, but in a nutshell, intestinal gas

comes from fermentation. It's true that some gas is always being produced

and then absorbed even in even the healthiest intestines, but whenever

there's enough gas to result in flatulence, it's a clear sign that things

have gotten out of balance, at least temporarily: fermentative organisms

acquired enough food to overgrow, however temporarily, and produce excess

gas. The gas, though, is only the obvious side effect. The organisms'

waste products are frequently harmful, and in general they attempt to

secure their increased population by attacking the gut. Sometimes gas can

be a sign of underlying problems if the person should've been able to beat

the gut biota to the punch, so to speak, in digesting and metabolizing the

food that prompted the gas. And sometimes it just means that the food that

was eaten isn't really fit for consumption. Many of the consequences,

though, are the same.

As opposed to this chain of events, which is clearly and scientifically

established, there's no evident mechanism by which gas would be produced as

the result of a detox, let alone a detox prompted by eating sugar (in the

form of fruit).

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[Guest guest]

,

It was surprising for me to read your post because it was all so familiar!

<g> And while it may sound laughable, my first reaction was " But that was

true for me years and years ago, when I had candida. " Everything you wrote

was actually known to me (I really have read a number of books on this

subject) but had been discounted -- forgotten actually! -- as being

operative only in the past, in the old, sick me.

And honestly, it's still hard for me to accept that my gut microbes are

still so vulnerable that I can't take even a small amount of organic fruit

without having a reaction that tells me the fruit is no good for me,

basically just a sugar.

So, I'm only slowly getting to the point where I can accept the

sugar-microbes-gas progression, but I'm still struggling with the idea that

there is no connection between fruit and detoxification. Part of this is

because of certain writers (especially AV, who, although he generally warns

against fruit--esp. if taken without fat--uses it for certain kinds of

detoxification). And also because I was seeing other signs of detoxing as

soon as I began the fruit (the low-grade fever and unusual elimination that

looked like old stuff being released). I " m not sure what to make of those

factors now.

Well, all food for thought. I do appreciate your hanging in with me to say

again and in another way what I couldn't hear the first time. I'll keep

mulling over all of it.

Thanks.

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

... And also because I was seeing other signs of detoxing as

> soon as I began the fruit (the low-grade fever and unusual

elimination that

> looked like old stuff being released). I " m not sure what to make of

those

> factors now...

,

Will you share what type of fruit you've eaten and had gas trouble with?

B(usybody)

[Guest guest]

,

I haven't really *eaten* any of the fruit since I can no more digest skins

than I can cellulose (are skins a form of cellulose?). Rather, I've either

added the fruits to my juicing of veggies (in the case of the zucchini) or

replaced a serving of vegetable juices with a small amount of fruit juice

mixed with water. I started by increasing a small percentage of zucchini to

a whole, large zucchini -- which is when the night-time gas/day-time

fever/strange elimination begin. After that, I tried about a cup of dark

black grapes (maybe a half cup of juice?) and then -- thinking everything

was detox, and not very bad detox considering what I've gone through in the

past -- I also tried a small, well ripened (yellow inside instead of the

green you mostly get this days) Gala apple (again, maybe a half cup of

juice). Because each of these produced very little juice, I didn't think

much about sugar content. Oh, and although I was told to add fat whenever I

took any fruit, I haven't been doing that. I drink my juice about twenty

minutes before each of my three meals, all of which are very high in fat.

I should say that I had only a little " attack " of gas last night, before

going to bed, and slept through the night well. I didn't think to take my

temperature today -- I guess because I wasn't feeling low enough to think of

it, but I just did and it's 98.9, an improvement over the 99.4 or so I was

getting at 3 pm. I'm still not certain about any of this, though I am

taking 's view of the sugar effect into consideration. I have about a

week's worth of (very expensive) organic fruit, so I will continue for a

week, and see whether all this goes away, remains the same, or gets worse.

Actually, I would run the experiment that long even if the fruit weren't so

expensive. <g>

http://www.taichi4seniors.com

[Guest guest]

...I haven't really *eaten* any of the fruit since I can no more digest

skins

> than I can cellulose (are skins a form of cellulose?). Rather, I've

either

> added the fruits to my juicing of veggies (in the case of the

zucchini) or

> replaced a serving of vegetable juices with a small amount of fruit

juice

> mixed with water. I started by increasing a small percentage of

zucchini to

> a whole, large zucchini -- which is when the night-time gas/day-time

> fever/strange elimination begin. After that, I tried about a cup of

dark

> black grapes (maybe a half cup of juice?) and then -- thinking

everything

> was detox, and not very bad detox considering what I've gone through

in the

> past -- I also tried a small, well ripened (yellow inside instead of

the

> green you mostly get this days) Gala apple (again, maybe a half cup of

> juice). Because each of these produced very little juice, I didn't

think

> much about sugar content.

,

If you don't care to know my thoughts, please delete now.

I'm looking at the apple. Ayurvedically speaking, apples are

vata-provoking. You apparently have pre-existing digestive-issues and

are in the vata time of life which will enhance their wind-increasing

tendencies. And you are correct that the skins are difficult to digest.

Zucchini may have been increased too rapidly but seems negligible.

Grapes should be good in small amounts, though in your case I would

suggest juicing them and then fermenting to make a digestif and

drinking small amounts of that before your meals instead of fresh

juice. A good way to use that expensive produce.

Apple, OTOH--especially concentrated fresh juice--is just asking for a

late-night disruption. It is recommended to peel and chew *thoroughly*

the fruit so I imagine that means to initially break down with as much

saliva as possible, which you wouldn't do when drinking juice unless

you swished it around in your mouth for a quite some time.

Are you on the Primal Diet? I'm getting the idea you are. If not,

try baking the apples. Hmm. Probably won't fly with you.

Okay, here's an ayurvedic recipe:

Remove skins and cores from five apples. Blend/mash to make a pulp.

Add honey to taste and mix thoroughly. Add 1/8 tsp. powdered

cardamom, a pinch each saffron and nutmeg and ten drops rosewater or a

few organic rosepetals. About 1/2 cup of this pulp at least one hour

after the meal. (Do not eat milk, yogurt or fish for at least four

hours after eating this.) I imagine you would divide recipe by five.

The spices and honey mitigate the cooling/astringency of the apple.

Sounds kinda good.

Or not. What I'm saying is, for you, eating consuming raw apple juice

is probably going to result in gas.

B.