Advice needed

[Guest guest]

Kathleen Whitehill,

Write your congressmembers and ask that they co-sponsor one or both of the

bills introduced in congress to stop the anthrax shots. The bills are HR2543

and HR2548 and request Congressman Steve Buyer agree to hold a hearing on the

AVIP (Anthrax Vaccination Immunization Program) when the House returns from

recess in September.

My son is a Marine at 29 Palms. He refused the shot was court martialed and

given 30 days in the brig and a bad conduct discharge. He still feels he

made the right decision and so do we. He should be home this weekend and he

will still have his health.

refused non-judicial punishment. There is no reason to go through the

cuts in pay and rank plus extra duty and all the other things that go with

the article 15. The outcome will be the same. He can refuse the Article 15.

Hope this helps.

Deanna Austin

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[Guest guest]

Jeff,

My wife has been diagnosed with LUPUS and did not have it prior to

entering the service. PLEASE CONTACT ME!!!!!!!!!

Steward

Re: advice needed

> Kathleen,

>

> Taking the shots is like playing russian roulette. Many do not get

ill.

> Some get deathly ill. Five empty cylinders and a bullet in the sixth,

then

> you pull the trigger. Question is, do you feel lucky, and is it worth it?

> Jeff Swan

>

> PS - I served 19 years and 3 months before being forced into medical

retirement,

> slightly over 9 months shy of my 20 years. I have systemic lupus e. from

the

> shot - I may live to be 90 or I may die in a few years time. I would

never

> advocate taking the shot, nor would I advocate disobeying a lawful order.

It

> is a very personal choice. Good luck and God bless you both.

>

>

> Kathleen Whitehill wrote:

>

> > From: Kathleen Whitehill <kathleen_whitehill@...>

> >

> > Help. My fiancé is in the Navy, stationed in San Diego and it is

rumored that they will have to

> > receive the vaccine prior to heading for westpac. He is adamant about

not taking the shot but risking

> > a dis-honorable discharge and losing his benefits, etc.

> >

> > What do we write to our congressmen? I am not sure what to ask them to

do or how to go about drafting

> > a letter.

> >

> > Also, do we have any legal standing on this issue???

> >

> > Any help would be great because we are running out of time. They depart

in a few months.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > kathleen_whitehill@...

[Guest guest]

Stania,

There are companies that have safer sealers that you can use to stop the outgassing. The company that I order our interior housepaint from is AFM. Alot of the places that sell environmentally safer products(N.E.E.D.S, etc) should carry them. I can also get their phone # if you'd like information from the company I mentioned.

Take Care,

Cheryl

Hi,

i seem going into a relaps. The cause, I guess, might be an exposure to some odour (if this is possible?).

We had a new piece of furniture installed in our bedroom. It is made from chipboard and smells like wooden splinters. This smell is very unpleasant. In the evening I got a headache and sore eyes and nausea.

in the morning I had o take a painkiller for headache and felt weak. Also experience bronchial hyperactivity and NMH problems (which I haven't had since starting Piracetam-only very very minor - sometimes).

Any advice about how to reverse relapsing and also, if the furniture is the trigger (I heard that it can contain formaldehyde), what to do with it?

All coments and ideas welcome.

Thanks in advance

Stania

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[Guest guest]

Laurie has the same relapse caused by smells - Multiple Chemical Sensistivities (I have had the same reaction but milder)

Step 1:

Remove the offending item from your environment ASAP -- if you can store it in an out building for 3-6 months, you can then use it when it finish 'off-gases'

(When we have brought furniture, we either go for solid wood (usually pine or plywood) or make sure that all edges (including the back) are completely sealed....

we are done on the floor looking under the furniture before we buy it...

- we both have our own :Organic Vapors: face masks (used by chemical sprayers) which we will wear if we are out and detect smells - ASAP/ When I was working and we moved into a renovated building (new carpet, etc) - I had to wear this mask for 6 months or else I would have a nasty headache every day

Step 2:

Lots of walks (probably in the early morning when the traffic pollution is the lowest)to clear the lungs and your system

Lots of liquids, if yeast is not an active problem -- try a little vinegar.

Try Hale's Breathing after the walk (http://www.folkarts.com/idef/breathing.htm )

Laurie may write more suggestions when she gets up...

Ken Lassesen 2 @ 2 ft PWC, 2 @ 4ft PWC2 ft PWC: http://www.folkarts.com/idef/4 ft PWC: http://corgi.folkarts.com/Fax: (520) 832-6836 ICQ #: 2122097 (also Netmeeting with Video)

advice needed

Hi,

i seem going into a relaps. The cause, I guess, might be an exposure to some odour (if this is possible?).

We had a new piece of furniture installed in our bedroom. It is made from chipboard and smells like wooden splinters. This smell is very unpleasant. In the evening I got a headache and sore eyes and nausea.

in the morning I had o take a painkiller for headache and felt weak. Also experience bronchial hyperactivity and NMH problems (which I haven't had since starting Piracetam-only very very minor - sometimes).

Any advice about how to reverse relapsing and also, if the furniture is the trigger (I heard that it can contain formaldehyde), what to do with it?

All coments and ideas welcome.

Thanks in advance

Stania

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[Guest guest]

Laurie has the same relapse caused by smells - Multiple Chemical Sensistivities (I have had the same reaction but milder)

Step 1:

Remove the offending item from your environment ASAP -- if you can store it in an out building for 3-6 months, you can then use it when it finish 'off-gases'

(When we have brought furniture, we either go for solid wood (usually pine or plywood) or make sure that all edges (including the back) are completely sealed....

we are down on the floor looking under the furniture before we buy it...

- we both have our own :Organic Vapors: face masks (used by chemical sprayers) which we will wear if we are out and detect smells - ASAP/ When I was working and we moved into a renovated building (new carpet, etc) - I had to wear this mask for 6 months or else I would have a nasty headache every day

Step 2:

Lots of walks (probably in the early morning when the traffic pollution is the lowest)to clear the lungs and your system

Lots of liquids, if yeast is not an active problem -- try a little vinegar.

Try Hale's Breathing after the walk (http://www.folkarts.com/idef/breathing.htm )

Laurie may write more suggestions when she gets up...

Ken Lassesen 2 @ 2 ft PWC, 2 @ 4ft PWC2 ft PWC: http://www.folkarts.com/idef/4 ft PWC: http://corgi.folkarts.com/Fax: (520) 832-6836 ICQ #: 2122097 (also Netmeeting with Video)

advice needed

Hi,

i seem going into a relaps. The cause, I guess, might be an exposure to some odour (if this is possible?).

We had a new piece of furniture installed in our bedroom. It is made from chipboard and smells like wooden splinters. This smell is very unpleasant. In the evening I got a headache and sore eyes and nausea.

in the morning I had o take a painkiller for headache and felt weak. Also experience bronchial hyperactivity and NMH problems (which I haven't had since starting Piracetam-only very very minor - sometimes).

Any advice about how to reverse relapsing and also, if the furniture is the trigger (I heard that it can contain formaldehyde), what to do with it?

All coments and ideas welcome.

Thanks in advance

Stania

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the tip. I'll search the web, I didn't know that there's something taht can stop outgassing.

Stania

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Stania,

There are companies that have safer sealers that you can use to stop the outgassing. The company that I order our interior housepaint from is AFM. Alot of the places that sell environmentally safer products(N.E.E.D.S, etc) should carry them. I can also get their phone # if you'd like information from the company I mentioned.

Take Care,

Cheryl

Hi,

i seem going into a relaps. The cause, I guess, might be an exposure to some odour (if this is possible?).

We had a new piece of furniture installed in our bedroom. It is made from chipboard and smells like wooden splinters. This smell is very unpleasant. In the evening I got a headache and sore eyes and nausea.

in the morning I had o take a painkiller for headache and felt weak. Also experience bronchial hyperactivity and NMH problems (which I haven't had since starting Piracetam-only very very minor - sometimes).

Any advice about how to reverse relapsing and also, if the furniture is the trigger (I heard that it can contain formaldehyde), what to do with it?

All coments and ideas welcome.

Thanks in advance

Stania

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[Guest guest]

Hi Stania,

I hope you are starting to feel better.

I think the most important thing now is to stop the exposure to the

chemicals right away. It sounds like you are working on that. If

someone can seal the exposed surfaces that are off-gassing, it would

probably help considerably.

You may want to be cautious for awhile about exposure to all volatile

organic compounds (VOCs), as you may be sensitized for awhile. This

would include exposure to ANY chemical odors and fragrances. It's

hard to do, but it's important, so you don't start a downward cycle

with this.

Ken remembers someone suggesting " Alka Seltzer Gold " for MCS

symptoms. I haven't tried this yet myself, but I plan to.

" ACTIVE INGREDIENTS: Each tablet contains: Heat treated sodium

bicarbonate 958 mg, citric acid 832 mg, potassium bicarbonate 312 mg.

Alka-Seltzer Effervescent Antacid in water contains principally the

antacids sodium citrate and potassium citrate. "

I also have found that a cup of coffee has helped with the

respiratory symptoms. I don't drink coffee regularly any more, so it

may just be an excuse to have some, but in any case, it seems to help

somewhat.

Laurie Lassesen

[Guest guest]

Hi Laurie and all,

>Hi Stania,

>I hope you are starting to feel better.

Yes, I do. I followed your recommendations andl locked the bedroom (windowes

opened). I felt relieved after a walk when I came home and when I read Ken's

post, I went for another one in the evening. The headache and nausea faded

away, still have breathing problems but milder. Also swollen nasal cavity

and eyes. But much better now.

Do you think anti asthmatic inhalators could help? ( mean the spray meds)

>

>I think the most important thing now is to stop the exposure to the

>chemicals right away. It sounds like you are working on that. If

>someone can seal the exposed surfaces that are off-gassing, it would

>probably help considerably.

I'll try to find someone.

>

>You may want to be cautious for awhile about exposure to all volatile

>organic compounds (VOCs), as you may be sensitized for awhile. This

>would include exposure to ANY chemical odors and fragrances. It's

>hard to do, but it's important, so you don't start a downward cycle

>with this.

Laurie, you are completely right. I didn't know about MCS because it was not

my problem. that's why I mad esome silly things I would never repeat :-)

Before I got your letter, I went for a walk, felt better and bought a bath

oil (wonderful smell, just loved it). Back at home, exposed again to the

fumes I couldn'use it.

Now I know it was a mistake.

I am going to get Alka setzer on Monday and try to arrange an app. with my

allergologist.

Thanks for your support

Stania

[Guest guest]

Question to all - have any of you seen the consumer guide which I was told

came out a few weeks ago and examines and evaluates various alternative

types of treatment? In general, not only CFS

Judy B.

[Guest guest]

Ai Lay,

First of all, Hi! Now, does Shuxin snore at all? Does she have periods

during sleep where she seems to stop breathing for a few seconds and then

snorts or gasps air? These issues along with restless and interrupted sleep

can be indicative of sleep apnea. Nick had apnea and after T & A surgery he

shows no signs of apnea. If you think this may be the case with Shuxin talk

to your pediatrician and see if you can schedule a sleep study.

It also may be reflux. Does Shuxin eat or drink right before going to sleep?

Defiantly mention this to your doctor. He may feel it is just a phase she

is going through...maybe nightmares or something simple that is not truly

medical.

Good luck and let us know how she is doing.

Bonnie from Long Island

Mom to -10, twins and (ds)-2 1/2

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/19/01 1:44:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

stolzfamily@... writes:

> My question is, Should I just take this stuff up there and let them copy

> it all? THat is what I am thinking I should do. I don't think I should be

> paying probably over 20.00 to copy all of this stuff.

Absolutely . Let them copy it. I've brought copies to IEP meetings

for the team, but never that much. Our transition IEP meeting, I let them

make copies of the stuff; they had a *staffer* there to do the running back

and forth.

Donna

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

Yep, I would take it all to them and let them copy it, but I would stay there

while they do it. Documentation has a way of disappearing when you leave it

with the schools to be copied. So, are you saying you were happy with the

results of the IEP or with the idea that you have their ideas in writing and

a starting place to work from? Let us know how it all shakes out. This may

be a new strategy to consider! LOL

Terry

[Guest guest]

Hi guys,

A quick update on what is going on in our neck of the woods.

As most of you know, Matt has been homeschooling since the end of May. We

are trying to get him back into school by the beginning of the new school

year.

I talked to a neighbor who is an attorney, and he is looking for someone

to refer me to who has experience with special education law. In the mean

time, he wrote a letter to the school, and mailed it without me

proofreading. Between the time that I spoke with him and the letter went

out, I had spoken with the school and they verbally told me that the date

they had set for the IEP would not work, as a number of the participants

would not be available. They would let me know about a date. I was

waiting to hear from them, the date for the IEP came, and they had the

meeting. They called me and asked if I was planning on showing up. (In

the letter from the attorney, he said I would be there, but we had spoken

and they told me that they would not be able to do it-but, they did speak

to me before they recieved this letter. I should have clearified it. I

didnt') I couldnt' make it, so they had the meeting without me. I

actually liked it better, as I have a copy of the IEP that they

developed, and we meet tomorrow to discuss it. I have an advocate coming

with me.

In the letter from the attorney, he said that we had a " couple of inches "

of paperwork (true), documentation of problems from the past 2 years.

They want copies of all of this BEFORE we meet tomorrow. He told me to

give them copies. I dont' mind. (Some of this is my documentation to you

guys about what had been going on. I didnt' keep a " diary " but I did tell

you all and another on-line friend everytime I spoke with them. I

compiled what I said in all of these for a timeline of what has been

happening). I just dont' know why they need this kind of stuff before we

meet for an IEP meeting. If we were going to court, fine. But, for an IEP

meeting? Part of the documentation are the notebooks that we exchanged,

and the daily note reports they sent me.

My question is, Should I just take this stuff up there and let them copy

it all? THat is what I am thinking I should do. I don't think I should be

paying probably over 20.00 to copy all of this stuff. Any suggestions?

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Ok, guys, here is what I did.

I called my advocate, and she suggested that they dont' need all of my

" personal notes " if we are going for an IEP meeting. If we were sueing,

we would have to provide, 5 days before the hearing, any information to

be entered.

I wrote the following letter, and hand delivered it to the new principal,

with the attachment. Tell me what you think:

Mrs. Medjorie

2080 Desert Shadow Trail

, NV 89012

This letter is in response to your request for information I had provided

to my attorney concerning 's education at Vanderburg Elementary

School. This information is referenced in my attorney's letter to you. I

appreciate your concern regarding and assuring that he is

afforded an appropriate education in the least restrictive environment,

and I look forward to working with you to this end.

All of the information that I provided to my attorney is available in

's confidential folder, with the exception of my own personal

notes. Since we are now working together to move forward, I am including

a list of some of the suggestions and questions I have with the new IEP.

I assume that this will be the subject of our meeting tomorrow.

Thank you for your time and co-operation.

Enclosure (1)

Matt's IEP concerns:

Goal #2 Can we define the " primary level " Ie 1st, 2nd, 3rd grade.

Can we have a goal on fluency and how will we determine fluency?

Goal #3 Math

Need present level for time telling?

Visual schedule on desk to help with concept

Goal #4 ative vs Parallel play-if he is cooperatively playing, do

we need a benchmark for parallel play? Isn't this going backwards?

Goal #5 Need present levels on phone number, address, responding ot

social interactions, verbal messages.

We need some kind of spelling goal.

#5 in special factors indicates that he needs AT, but it is not addressed

in IEP.

Accomodations: Some suggestions:

Visual schedules

PECS

Person who knows Matt to pick him up from the bus every day-if substitute

aide is necessary, either teacher or special ed teacher should pick him

up and take him to the line. If possible, notify mom by phone the morning

of the aide's absence, so I can tell him before he gets on the bus.

Behavior plan needs to focus on the positive.

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[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I missed the posts this weekend but I was working anyway so it wasn't too

bad. I went to see Zeb's pyschologist today and was recapping the past few

weeks. He was quite upset that the pediatrician never filed an abuse

complaint. I didn't give her much info to go on. I questioned these dots that

were all over Zeb's face from his cheekbones and on his forehead. I didn't

know what they were and wasn't sure if he had developed high blood pressure

etc. I was concerned because of the outburst on that day and didn't know if

this had something to do with it. The office did tell me that it was called

alpica, broken blood vessels, and if more appeared to call them and go to the

er. I really didn't exactly know what had happened that day and if they held

him too tightly etc. I stayed with him at school for the rest of the day and

did show the teacher his face. The both of us had no idea what it was and she

never offered anything. I did find out they held him inproperly. The DMR was

coming this afternoon for a yearly follow up and they filed a complaint of

abuse. The pschologists recommended that I apologize in a letter for leaving

the meeting that day and call for a PPT meeting asking for an independant

educational consultant. I have been asking for the past 3 yrs but now I will

head for due process. I have a friend also with a child with special needs

and she feels that I need not apologize for anything and the school may use

that against me. What's your input? I walked out of the meeting because the

topic had turned to a placement issue rather than finding an appropriate

behavioral plan. The central office did not ask the teacher to speak about

the issues or try to redirect her. I felt I wasn't about to debate this in a

meeting only a PPT meeting where I have procedural rights. I have all the

answers for everyone else but can't seem to advocate myself. I am quite

concerned about the Zeb's safety.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

[Guest guest]

Hi Joan,

Thanks for the advice. I did have an agenda the day I went to the meeting but

I was so upset with the rantings of the teacher and the special ed dept. not

redirecting her I just got up and left. The behaviorist was present at this

meeting and was solely for the purpose of critiquing the behavioral plan. I

honestly felt like everything was in slow motion. I did say that I wasn't

going there and then stood up. Everybody just stared at me. I have never done

this before but I new I had reached my peak. I need to know if you think I

should send a letter of apology for leaving the meeting and incorporate that

into a request for a PPT meeting to ask for the educational consultant?

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/19/02 7:27:50 PM Central Standard Time,

charlyne1121@... writes:

> What's your input? I walked out of the meeting because the

> topic had turned to a placement issue rather than finding an appropriate

> behavioral plan. The central office did not ask the teacher to speak about

> the issues or try to redirect her. I felt I wasn't about to debate this in

> a

> meeting only a PPT meeting where I have procedural rights. I have all the

> answers for everyone else but can't seem to advocate myself. I am quite

> concerned about the Zeb's safety.

> Charlyne

> Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

>

>

>

Do you need the political mileage that an apology would get? If so then do

it. If not then forget it and move on to requesting what you need.

As far as the red dots, are they the size of pin heads? Really tiny?

got those following his heart catheterization- all over his body. He has

gotten them after every surgery he has had. He also gets them on his face if

he gets really out of control. Of course the anticoagulant medication and the

fact that he has very fair skin all contribute.

If he was upset and got restrained -even the right way- the frustration and

straining could cause them. JMHO

Did the dr. say what the ER would do? Just document it? I would definitely

have it recorded if your son doesn't have a history of out of control

behavior.

Karyn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/19/2002 11:06:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,

KVanRyzin@... writes:

> Do you need the political mileage that an apology would get? If so then do

> it. If not then forget it and move on to requesting what you need.

>

Hi Karyn,

Thanks for the input. I'm not looking for the milage at this point just

what's best. The DMR filed a child abuse complaint today. The school staff

used inappropriate restraints causing the dots.My worse fear is going to

school and finding him dead. They are also not following the behavioral plan

and punishing him twice for the same infraction. I suppose their thinking was

to really make it count. The pediatrician did document it. I didn't exactly

know what the pediatrician meant when she said if it got worse. I am reallly

not too happy that the complaint was filed but I was told that they have to

report anything that may cause harm to any child intentionally or not. If

they didn't file it the psychologist would have. Whatever relationship I did

have is down the tubes once the office of protection and advocacy shows up at

the school.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

[Guest guest]

Bring an agenda...the list of things that need to be discussed about *this*

placement. Let them know that you believe in doing first things first. And

until these things are really investigated, placement shouldn't be

discussed. Or, tell them in writing that you would like to have placement

be a completely different meeting if appropriate. Say something about

needing to compartmentalize the breadth of the discussion so you can truly

focus on what's best for Zeb.

The more you can say " what's best for Zeb " and focus them back to him and

away from their own personal agendas the better off you are. " how dose that

affect Zeb? " Try starting the meeting with a list of " what is working " and

" what is not working " then you try to find out why the things that are

going well are, and whether or not there are similarities in the need for

the what isn't working category.

Vocus your comments on how Zeb wil respond to things.

Say Zeb's name *all*U the time.

I know what you mean about having a tough time advocating for yourself.

It's *hard* to see through the mess, listen, *and* talk. The more you can

separate all the different roles, the better of fyou are. So get them

talking about what works and what doesn't work--practice some probing

quesitons to help them describe these situations. Try to hear the situation

the way Zeb does.

then move to looking for commonalities.

then brainstorming ideas/solutions

then how can we incorporate some of these ideas

How will we document the affect?

When will we meet again to discuss it and what kind of data will you bring?

And if they push a placement discussion, try this:

We may end up discussing placement, but if we don't understand *why* these

things are happening, the next placement will not be better. Don't you

think it's in Zeb's best interest for us to hunker down and tear this apart?

good luck.

HUGs,

j

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/19/02 8:25:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

charlyne1121@... writes:

> What's your input? I walked out of the meeting because the

> topic had turned to a placement issue rather than finding an appropriate

> behavioral plan. The central office did not ask the teacher to speak about

> the issues or try to redirect her. I felt I wasn't about to debate this in

> a

> meeting only a PPT meeting where I have procedural rights. I have all the

> answers for everyone else but can't seem to advocate myself. I am quite

> concerned about the Zeb's safety

Charlyne,

I say don't apologize. I agree with your friend who says they may use

it against you. Besides, you're human; there's only so much one person can

take. Have they done an fba on Zeb? They are not allowed to even

discuss change in placement until that has been done. My thoughts however,

are that if Zeb is being abused, you might welcome a change in placement.

I think you need to find out who is doing this. Got any spies at the

school you can trust?

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Charlyne!! This sounds like a nightmare!!!

Donna

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/20/2002 7:44:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> Gail, mom to Ted (10) who had been sick since the 9th of March and went to

> school yesterday (after Drs. approval) and was sent home! He is going to go

> today.

Hi Gail,

Thanks for letting me know about Ted. It is exactly what Zeb had. Zeb was

sent home once a few years ago and the school cannot refuse him with a drs

note. The office of protection and advocacy has to investigate within 24 hrs.

will keep everyone posted.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/20/2002 8:22:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

duffey48@... writes:

> I say don't apologize. I agree with your friend who says they may use

> it against you.

Hi Donna,

That's just what I wanted to know. My friend is a smart cookie and knows me

well but I just needed another opinion. I do have spies but the school is

doing inappropriate holds and shouldn't be holding anyway. They documented it

in a note themselves. I arrived at school within minutes so I had a good idea

of the situation. The office of protection and advocacy will investigate

initiated by the DMR. They will have to answer their questions in detail. I

would sent him someplace else but I don't have any options.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/20/2002 9:09:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,

joan@... writes:

> One subtle way to use an " apology " is to explain *why* you left. I'm sorry

> so many were upset that I left.

Hi Karyn,

I doubt they were upset that I left! They were able to say anything at that

point and I wasn't there to get in the way. I decided that I would detail and

basically recapp and then ask for a PPT meeting.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/20/2002 9:10:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,

joan@... writes:

> Did you take pictures?

Hi Joan,

No I didn't but I did make a point to show the teacher. I did tell her I was

calling the pediatrician. They are aware and I did question the central

office on what was appropriate. They were upset that the staff was

restraining to begin with. I am going to wait for the investigation and their

questions will be no cake walk.

Charlyne

Mom to Zeb 9 DS/OCD ?