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> I have some questions about Whey. What does it taste like? What do

> you mix it with? How much of it do you have to use daily? Does it

> come in pill form? What does it help? Does it take a while to help

> you? Is it something you have to take indefinitely? Are there some

> people who can't use Whey?

> Thank you! I really appreciate your help!

> Sue B.

>

Other people will probably be able to add more info, but here's my .02-

Tastes like powdered milk, with a little sweetness. I just scoop mine

into my mouth because I've heard that you don't want to take it with

anything because stomach acid reduces it's effieciency. People use all

different amounts. It comes in powder form. It's basically the same

thing as protein shake mix, except it's made differently so the

proteins aren't denatured, and the immunoglobulins are intact. It takes

a few weeks to start helping. Yes, you have to keep on taking it, at

least as long as you are sick and you're body isn't working right. As

for dosage, some people say they take several scoops every day. I

personally can't, because it loses it's potentcy for me. I alternate

days and take a heaping half tsp every other day. There are other

people who also report an improvement at first, then a decrease in

effectiveness. That's why I alternate days, because one theory is that

it causes a buildup of something your body has a hard time processing.

I'm not sure that it's really known exactly what causes this, although

there are a lot of different theories.

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ImuunePro is the best,and it doesn't taste good. You put it in a

seeled container, shake real hard and drink it. You can mix it w/

water or milk. If you mix it w/ water, it really tastes bad, milk

is a little better. I felt better the first day I took it. Cheney

had told me about it in a lecture he gave in 1999. If the whey has

any sweeteners in it, don't buy it. Sugars mess up the Ph.

It stopped helping after a couple of years, but ImmunePro probably

allowed me to continue working and exercise some (very little)/

Mike C (Call NEEDS and they will tell you just what I have.)

In , " j mascis " <mascis_j@...>

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>

>

> >

> > I have some questions about Whey. What does it taste like? What

do

> > you mix it with? How much of it do you have to use daily? Does

it

> > come in pill form? What does it help? Does it take a while to

help

> > you? Is it something you have to take indefinitely? Are there

some

> > people who can't use Whey?

> > Thank you! I really appreciate your help!

> > Sue B.

> >

>

> Other people will probably be able to add more info, but here's

my .02-

>

> Tastes like powdered milk, with a little sweetness. I just scoop

mine

> into my mouth because I've heard that you don't want to take it

with

> anything because stomach acid reduces it's effieciency. People use

all

> different amounts. It comes in powder form. It's basically the same

> thing as protein shake mix, except it's made differently so the

> proteins aren't denatured, and the immunoglobulins are intact. It

takes

> a few weeks to start helping. Yes, you have to keep on taking it,

at

> least as long as you are sick and you're body isn't working right.

As

> for dosage, some people say they take several scoops every day. I

> personally can't, because it loses it's potentcy for me. I

alternate

> days and take a heaping half tsp every other day. There are other

> people who also report an improvement at first, then a decrease in

> effectiveness. That's why I alternate days, because one theory is

that

> it causes a buildup of something your body has a hard time

processing.

> I'm not sure that it's really known exactly what causes this,

although

> there are a lot of different theories.

>

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> do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a smoothie.

>

***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the purpose of

having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building

glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would certainly

taste better with something added, however, I have never done so as I

thought that it would cancel out any benefits.

Take care.

Bernie

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I don't know anything about True Whey. But instructions for Immunopro are

definitely on totally empty stomach. It is too delicate and will be cancelled

out otherwise. It is not even supposed to be mixed hard, such as in a regular

blender for same reason.

About empty stomach, I think there is slight exeception, such as plain yogurt.

The company will tell you if you call them.

Katrina

> I

> > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a smoothie.

> >

>

>

>

> ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the purpose of

> having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building

> glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would certainly

> taste better with something added, however, I have never done so as I

> thought that it would cancel out any benefits.

>

> Take care.

>

> Bernie

>

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Trudy.. the whey my CFS specialist has put me on has no lactose.. no

milk sugars in it so hence cant cause lactose intollerence or feed

candida hence should be fine for anti candida diets. I assume all

whey is the same unless it has sugar added to it.

I tried to take whey with milk but that gave me extreme diarrhea, I

assume it was taking the milk with it..or added vitamins to the whey

or something. Whey is full of amino acids and proteins.

>

> Hi Mike C (and everyone else who responded to my question about how

you

> take whey -- water or milk),

>

> I feel like I'm in such a dilemma. I know that whey helps me, but

right

> now I want to concentrate on this leaky gut. They say to treat

candida

> that you shouldn't have dairy. And yet, like you say, when I just

use

> water it is nasty. I tried putting my whey in yogurt, but wasn't

happy

> with that, either.

>

> I don't know about this, but doesn't milk (I use skim) have amino

acids,

> as well? ...so, wouldn't that be good?

>

> When I take my morning HMS 90, I use 3/4 water and 1/4 juice.

Also, I

> use 4 oz. of grape juice with my evening supplements.

>

> Will this milk and juice affect my candida cleanses? (My ND does

allow

> milk on his candida diet, but not juice.)

>

> ...oh, it is all so overwhelming! ;-)

>

> Kind regards,

> Trudy

>

> Message: 14

> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:33:13 -0000

> From: " yakcamp22 " <yakcamp22@...>

> Subject: Re: Whey

>

> Trudy-you probably weren't on this list when ImmunePro first hit

> the market. I had several phone conversations w/ the ImmunePro

> contact person. He was thinking about selling it via MLM, but

> several of us told him about NEEDS and he went w/ them. The

> directions are to put several ounces of whole milk in a container,

> then add five grams (or less, initially) to the milk, then shake

> it vigorously for about twenty seconds. Then, let it sit for about

> two minutes and drink it on an empty stomach, ostensibly because

> it will be absorbed better. Those are the instructions. Water

> may be fine, but the taste is nasty. I tried some of the Biochem

> in water last nite (because I don't really like milk), and I ended

> up adding some heavy whipping cream to the water/whey just so I

> could tolerate it. I am not sure if mixing the whey w/ milk is

> better from an absorption standpoint.

>

> Mike C. (MLM=multi level marketing)

>

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Anything acidic will certainly denature the whey.

Adrienne

Re: Whey

I don't know anything about True Whey. But instructions for Immunopro are

definitely on totally empty stomach. It is too delicate and will be cancelled

out otherwise. It is not even supposed to be mixed hard, such as in a regular

blender for same reason.

About empty stomach, I think there is slight exeception, such as plain yogurt.

The company will tell you if you call them.

Katrina

> I

> > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a smoothie.

> >

>

>

>

> ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the purpose of

> having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building

> glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would certainly

> taste better with something added, however, I have never done so as I

> thought that it would cancel out any benefits.

>

> Take care.

>

> Bernie

>

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other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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I cannot use or take any whey what so ever it is dangerous for me to use . I

have tried

( immunepro) for years on and off and found out I´m have a very bad reation to

casein. I

get very very sick on it . I now avoid ALL dairy and feel MUCH better.

I have followed Dr Twogoods advise about dairy in his book " How To Rid Your

Body of

Pain " :-

http://www.nowheat.com/grfx/nomilk/nomilkbk.htm

if you want to try whey then look here ;-

Whey-CFS-FMS/

From my experience with whey i would rather use other things rather than any

dairy of

any form . some peole get so sick very on whey and think they should stick it

out and it i

is a bad reaction to casein . it can put you to bed for weeks as it does with

me .

>

> I have some questions about Whey. What does it taste like? What do

> you mix it with? How much of it do you have to use daily? Does it

> come in pill form? What does it help? Does it take a while to help

> you? Is it something you have to take indefinitely? Are there some

> people who can't use Whey?

> Thank you! I really appreciate your help!

> Sue B.

>

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When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the person in

charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top

two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake it

in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix anything

else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take it

on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's,

TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it

properly, you won't get the full benefit. Actually, IP doesn't taste

all that bad when shaken w/ milk-I couldn't handle just water & IP.

It is irritating that you have to order IP from NEEDS or somewhere,

I have tried three or four brands from Whole Foods and I still have

some, they just don't work as well or at all.

Someone else wrote that they can't tolerate IP, I have heard that

for the last six years-some people can't, it is unfortunate.

Mike C

> > I

> > > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a

smoothie.

> > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the

purpose of

> > having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building

> > glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would

certainly

> > taste better with something added, however, I have never done so

as I

> > thought that it would cancel out any benefits.

> > Take care.

> > Bernie

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> > > I

> > > > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a

> smoothie.

> > > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the

> purpose of

> > > having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building

> > > glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would

> certainly

> > > taste better with something added, however, I have never done

so

> as I

> > > thought that it would cancel out any benefits.

> > > Take care.

> > > Bernie

>

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i thought u cld blend it... as long as u didn't blend it too long....

lifelonglearner79 <lifelonglearner79@...> wrote:

> > > I

> > > > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a

> smoothie.

> > > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the

> purpose of

> > > having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building

> > > glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would

> certainly

> > > taste better with something added, however, I have never done

so

> as I

> > > thought that it would cancel out any benefits.

> > > Take care.

> > > Bernie

>

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Re: Whey

When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the person in

charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top

two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake it

in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix anything

else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take it

on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's,

TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it

properly, you won't get the full benefit. Actually, IP doesn't taste

all that bad when shaken w/ milk-I couldn't handle just water & IP.

It is irritating that you have to order IP from NEEDS or somewhere,

I have tried three or four brands from Whole Foods and I still have

some, they just don't work as well or at all.

Someone else wrote that they can't tolerate IP, I have heard that

for the last six years-some people can't, it is unfortunate.

Mike C

Mike,

How long should you wait after taking whey protein before you eat?

Tony

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Renewpor is much easier to mix and has some sort of mild non-artifical

sweetener, Lo Han Guo, as I understand it. I use it, but not sure it

helps, because I always am adding a bunch of things.

On 12/8/06, yakcamp22 <yakcamp22@...> wrote:

>

> ImuunePro is the best,and it doesn't taste good. You put it in a

> seeled container, shake real hard and drink it.

>

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That is a great question, Tony. The answer is, wait until you have

an empty stomach. I don't know how long it takes the stomach to

empty, it depends on how much and what kinds of foods you ate.

However, to venture a guess, I would say 3 hours. But, you also

want your small intestine to be empty, and my motility is just

horrible-so for anyone like me, I would say to drink it first thing

in the morning, after 10-12 hours w/out eating. Someone should

really call the IP people as they may have new info. since 1999.

To answer Bob's question, I would say that *anything* added to

pure undenatered whey is bad. You want the whey mixed w/ milk, or

if you can stand it, water, to go directly into the small intestine

without any interference from anything. I still think IP or

Immunocal or the other one that I can't think of is superior to all

others at the current time. I wish Carol from the DFW support group

would add some info. because I believe she knows more than I do.

Mike C.

> Re: Whey

>

>

> When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the

person in

> charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top

> two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake

it

> in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix

anything

> else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take

it

> on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's,

> TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it

> properly, you won't get the full benefit. Actually, IP doesn't

taste

> all that bad when shaken w/ milk-I couldn't handle just water &

IP.

>

> It is irritating that you have to order IP from NEEDS or

somewhere,

> I have tried three or four brands from Whole Foods and I still

have

> some, they just don't work as well or at all.

>

> Someone else wrote that they can't tolerate IP, I have heard that

> for the last six years-some people can't, it is unfortunate.

>

> Mike C

> Mike,

> How long should you wait after taking whey protein before you eat?

> Tony

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> >Directions

> Bland one scoop (10 grams) into your favorite cold beverage. Add

> ice and blend with fruit or yogurt for a delicious smoothie.

<<<<<<<<this is bad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> The above came from the directions on the bottle of True Whey...

> so I thought that was Ok...apparently, it is not.

>

> Renewpro is suppose to be as good as Immunepro, is it not?

<<<<yes, I think it is, but since IP stopped working for me a few

years ago, I have been out of the loop. You just don't want any

sweeteners or anything added to pure undenatered IP. Some new

formulas have been devised so as to make the whey taste better>>>>

Mike C

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Well said, and your brevity is excellent. I agree, hence all my

recent messages.

We should probably stop this thread now, or we will be gently

reminded that whey is not a new experimental treatment.

Mike C

In , " Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...>

wrote:

>

> Anything acidic will certainly denature the whey.

> Adrienne

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In a message dated 09/12/2006 23:17:07 GMT Standard Time,

yakcamp22@... writes:

That is a great question, Tony. The answer is, wait until you have

an empty stomach. I don't know how long it takes the stomach to

empty, it depends on how much and what kinds of foods you ate.

However, to venture a guess, I would say 3 hours. But, you also

want your small intestine to be empty, and my motility is just

horrible-so for anyone like me, I would say to drink it first thing

in the morning, after 10-12 hours w/out eating. Someone should

really call the IP people as they may have new info. since 1999.

To answer Bob's question, I would say that *anything* added to

pure undenatered whey is bad. You want the whey mixed w/ milk, or

if you can stand it, water, to go directly into the small intestine

without any interference from anything. I still think IP or

Immunocal or the other one that I can't think of is superior to all

others at the current time. I wish Carol from the DFW support group

would add some info. because I believe she knows more than I do.

Mike C.

*******I have been taking Whey Protein for around 20 months.

I blend it with no problems at all. I dont add anything to it except water.

I take it on a empty stomach and wait for around 15 minutes before eating

anything else.

I always eat some fats alongside taking Whey Protein.

Regards

CS

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I take imuplus with great results, I can not tolerate immunpro at

all.

> > > I

> > > > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a

> smoothie.

> > > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the

> purpose of

> > > having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building

> > > glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would

> certainly

> > > taste better with something added, however, I have never done

so

> as I

> > > thought that it would cancel out any benefits.

> > > Take care.

> > > Bernie

>

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That was it, Imuplus. My personal opinion is that Imuplus, Immunocal

and ImmunePro are far superior to all the others. Among these three,

it is a matter of personal preference and/or cost.

Mike C

> >

> > When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the

person

> in

> > charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top

> > two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake

it

> > in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix

> anything

> > else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take

> it

> > on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's,

> > TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it

> > properly, you won't get the full benefit.

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Have any of you folks tried taking pure tyrosine (in hot water, best) or

DL-phenylalanine first thing in the morning?

What you are doing sounds to me like a strategy to extract the maximum

amount of catecholamine precursors (the amino acids above) out of immune-pro

or whatever the product you are doing this with.

Tyrosine metabolizes into dopamine, and phenylalanine into NE and dopamine,

etc.

The rate limiting factor is metabolic rate...

Tyrosine costs around $40/kilo, last I looked...

On 12/11/06, yakcamp22 <yakcamp22@...> wrote:

>

> That was it, Imuplus. My personal opinion is that Imuplus, Immunocal

> and ImmunePro are far superior to all the others. Among these three,

> it is a matter of personal preference and/or cost.

>

> Mike C

>

>

> > >

> > > When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the

> person

> > in

> > > charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top

> > > two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake

> it

> > > in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix

> > anything

> > > else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take

> > it

> > > on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's,

> > > TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it

> > > properly, you won't get the full benefit.

>

>

>

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The shaking is merely a strategy to distribute the powder in the water without

increasing the temp.

Until recently I took the phenylalanine religiously in the morning since the

early eighties- and suffered the side-effects all that time and that was the

lesser of 2 evils. I could not function at all without it. Hardly a cure,

though. I got sicker, overall, over time in spite of it.

Adrienne

Re: Re: Whey

Have any of you folks tried taking pure tyrosine (in hot water, best) or

DL-phenylalanine first thing in the morning?

What you are doing sounds to me like a strategy to extract the maximum

amount of catecholamine precursors (the amino acids above) out of immune-pro

or whatever the product you are doing this with.

Tyrosine metabolizes into dopamine, and phenylalanine into NE and dopamine,

etc.

The rate limiting factor is metabolic rate...

Tyrosine costs around $40/kilo, last I looked...

On 12/11/06, yakcamp22 <yakcamp22@...> wrote:

>

> That was it, Imuplus. My personal opinion is that Imuplus, Immunocal

> and ImmunePro are far superior to all the others. Among these three,

> it is a matter of personal preference and/or cost.

>

> Mike C

>

>

> > >

> > > When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the

> person

> > in

> > > charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top

> > > two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake

> it

> > > in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix

> > anything

> > > else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take

> > it

> > > on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's,

> > > TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it

> > > properly, you won't get the full benefit.

>

>

>

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> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " kattemayo " >

>

>> There is a group called

>> WHEY-CFS-FM

>>

>

AGAIN, I thank you for that link Katrina!

I was able to determine that the Whey I've already purchased is similar to

Immunocal (also an isolate), so it's pretty good stuff.

After I'm feeling a bit better, I'll probably try adding a bit of ImmunPro

....

Liz S.

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I just posted on whey previously; both ImmunePro RX and RenewPro give me a

headache a few hours after ingestion. I don't know if it's sensitivity to the

milk proteins, herxing, or a problem with my detox pathway.

In a message dated 05/22/07 1:01:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

mmorrison@... writes:

And speaking of whey...

To those of you who've been using it for awhile, maybe you can answer

this question. I just upped my ImmunePro morning dose from 6 grams to

7 grams, and got incredibly sleepy about an hour later. Has anybody

else gotten this response to ImmunePro, or is it just a coincidence?

Thanks,

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And speaking of whey...

To those of you who've been using it for awhile, maybe you can answer

this question. I just upped my ImmunePro morning dose from 6 grams to

7 grams, and got incredibly sleepy about an hour later. Has anybody

else gotten this response to ImmunePro, or is it just a coincidence?

Thanks,

Marcia on

in Salem, Massachusetts

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Your post may have brought light to the conundrum of headache triggers with

respect to my particular case in which both WHEY and FISH OILS induce

headaches:

1) Whey acts as a hypotensive.

2) Fish Oil acts as a hypotensive.

3) Both substances trigger headaches in my case.

4) One of the symtptoms of hypotension is.....HEADACHES!

It's a simple linear equation, which may or may not mean anything, so who

knows.

Any thoughts?

In a message dated 05/22/07 7:19:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

starshar@... writes:

From: <_nutrimedent@nutrime_ (mailto:nutrimedent@...) >

>

> I just posted on whey previously; both ImmunePro RX and RenewPro give me a

> headache a few hours after ingestion. I don't know if it's sensitivity to

the

> milk proteins, herxing, or a problem with my detox pathway.

>

> In a message dated 05/22/07 1:01:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> _mmorrison@..._ (mailto:mmorrison@...) writes:

> And speaking of whey...

> To those of you who've been using it for awhile, maybe you can answer

> this question. I just upped my ImmunePro morning dose from 6 grams to

> 7 grams, and got incredibly sleepy about an hour later. Has anybody

> else gotten this response to ImmunePro, or is it just a coincidence?

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I've long enjoyed the 'ordinary' whey (usually Designer Protein) for a quick

breakfast " protein shake " . I always added other nutritional powders to

it.......

and I always crashed within several hours. Being obstinate about my easy

breakfast, I refused to consider the whey itself as causing the problem, so I

kept tweaking all the other ingredients. Nothing helped.

I also tried several of the ImmunoPro types, differing brands, and always

crashed.

Very reluctantly (very thick headedly!), I finally let go of my beloved whey

shakes.

Then just last week, someone sent me the following article:

**

Whey protein supplement appears to inhibit ACE, lowers BP

Blood pressure drops with DMV ingredient

16/6/2004 - Hydrolysed whey proteins significantly reduce blood pressure in

a small clinical trial, likely by altering multiple cardiovascular disease

risk facters, reported researchers at a recent diabetes conference, writes

Dominique Patton.

Hypertension affects over 80 per cent of diabetics and is one of the primary

risk markers for metabolic syndrome.

ACE (angiotensin converting enzyme) inhibitors made by drug companies have

been found to be beneficial in treating hypertension, particularly in patients

with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, and also appear to provide good

cardiovascular and renal protection. They do however have side effects.

Previous research findings indicate that the bio-active peptides in

fermented dairy foods also significantly lower blood pressure and animal data

suggests that this may be through inhibiting ACE.

A team from the University of Minnesota led by Pins carried out a study

to test the effects of an enzymatically prepared hydrolysed whey protein

supplement, containing concentrated specific bio-active peptides, on multiple

heart disease risk factors, including ACE activity and bradykinin, which

increases vascular permeability and dilates blood vessels.

The double blind, randomised placebo-controlled trial enrolled 30 generally

healthy individuals with mild/moderate hypertension. Participants were

randomised to either 20g daily of hydrolysed or unmodified whey protein and

were

asked to not make lifestyle changes throughout the six-week trial.

As previously reported, treatment resulted in a significant reduction in

blood pressure levels by the end of the first week of treatment. This effect

was

maintained throughout the study, reported the researchers at last week's ADA

Scientific Sessions .

Treatment significantly reduced ACE activity while ACE activity remained

mostly unchanged by the control protein. Meanwhile bradykinin was significantly

increased by treatment from 35.63.3 pg/mL to 88.76.5 pg/mL but was not

significantly changed by the control protein.

" In our study, hydrolsed whey proteins significantly reduce BP, likely by

altering ACE activity and bradykinin levels, " concluded the team.

A 5 mm Hg decrease in blood pressure has been equated with a 16 per cent

decrease in heart disease, the leading cause of death globally.

_http://nutraingredihttp://nuhttp://nutrainghttp://nuhttp://n_

(http://nutraingredients.com/news-by-health/news.asp?id=52872)

June 16, 2004, article by Dominique Patton. " Whey protein supplement appears

to inhibit ACE, lowers BP "

Article notes that whey supplement more than doubled bradykinin level,

lowers BP.

************

One of the very common hallmarks of Chronic Fatigue is low BP, along with

arterial dilation. I knew I was prone to both, but never connected my whey

induced crashes to this factor,

Now, I finally know why whey is not for me.

Sharon/starshar

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Your post may have brought light to the conundrum of headache triggers with

respect to my particular case in which both WHEY and FISH OILS induce

headaches:

1) Whey acts as a hypotensive.

2) Fish Oil acts as a hypotensive.

3) Both substances trigger headaches in my case.

4) One of the symtptoms of hypotension is.....HEADACHES!

It's a simple linear equation, which may or may not mean anything, so who

knows.

Any thoughts?

In a message dated 05/22/07 7:19:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

starshar@... writes:

From: <_nutrimedent@nutrime_ (mailto:nutrimedent@...) >

>

> I just posted on whey previously; both ImmunePro RX and RenewPro give me a

> headache a few hours after ingestion. I don't know if it's sensitivity to

the

> milk proteins, herxing, or a problem with my detox pathway.

>

> In a message dated 05/22/07 1:01:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

> _mmorrison@..._ (mailto:mmorrison@...) writes:

> And speaking of whey...

> To those of you who've been using it for awhile, maybe you can answer

> this question. I just upped my ImmunePro morning dose from 6 grams to

> 7 grams, and got incredibly sleepy about an hour later. Has anybody

> else gotten this response to ImmunePro, or is it just a coincidence?

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I've long enjoyed the 'ordinary' whey (usually Designer Protein) for a quick

breakfast " protein shake " . I always added other nutritional powders to

it.......

and I always crashed within several hours. Being obstinate about my easy

breakfast, I refused to consider the whey itself as causing the problem, so I

kept tweaking all the other ingredients. Nothing helped.

I also tried several of the ImmunoPro types, differing brands, and always

crashed.

Very reluctantly (very thick headedly!), I finally let go of my beloved whey

shakes.

Then just last week, someone sent me the following article:

**

Whey protein supplement appears to inhibit ACE, lowers BP

Blood pressure drops with DMV ingredient

16/6/2004 - Hydrolysed whey proteins significantly reduce blood pressure in

a small clinical trial, likely by altering multiple cardiovascular disease

risk facters, reported researchers at a recent diabetes conference, writes

Dominique Patton.

Hypertension affects over 80 per cent of diabetics and is one of the primary

risk markers for metabolic syndrome.

ACE (angiotensin converting enzyme) inhibitors made by drug companies have

been found to be beneficial in treating hypertension, particularly in patients

with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, and also appear to provide good

cardiovascular and renal protection. They do however have side effects.

Previous research findings indicate that the bio-active peptides in

fermented dairy foods also significantly lower blood pressure and animal data

suggests that this may be through inhibiting ACE.

A team from the University of Minnesota led by Pins carried out a study

to test the effects of an enzymatically prepared hydrolysed whey protein

supplement, containing concentrated specific bio-active peptides, on multiple

heart disease risk factors, including ACE activity and bradykinin, which

increases vascular permeability and dilates blood vessels.

The double blind, randomised placebo-controlled trial enrolled 30 generally

healthy individuals with mild/moderate hypertension. Participants were

randomised to either 20g daily of hydrolysed or unmodified whey protein and

were

asked to not make lifestyle changes throughout the six-week trial.

As previously reported, treatment resulted in a significant reduction in

blood pressure levels by the end of the first week of treatment. This effect

was

maintained throughout the study, reported the researchers at last week's ADA

Scientific Sessions .

Treatment significantly reduced ACE activity while ACE activity remained

mostly unchanged by the control protein. Meanwhile bradykinin was significantly

increased by treatment from 35.63.3 pg/mL to 88.76.5 pg/mL but was not

significantly changed by the control protein.

" In our study, hydrolsed whey proteins significantly reduce BP, likely by

altering ACE activity and bradykinin levels, " concluded the team.

A 5 mm Hg decrease in blood pressure has been equated with a 16 per cent

decrease in heart disease, the leading cause of death globally.

_http://nutraingredihttp://nuhttp://nutrainghttp://nuhttp://n_

(http://nutraingredients.com/news-by-health/news.asp?id=52872)

June 16, 2004, article by Dominique Patton. " Whey protein supplement appears

to inhibit ACE, lowers BP "

Article notes that whey supplement more than doubled bradykinin level,

lowers BP.

************

One of the very common hallmarks of Chronic Fatigue is low BP, along with

arterial dilation. I knew I was prone to both, but never connected my whey

induced crashes to this factor,

Now, I finally know why whey is not for me.

Sharon/starshar

************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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