Whey

March 19, 2000

In a message dated 3/19/00 10:21:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,

onelist writes:

<< By " positive response " do you mean the stated herxing ? Feeling More tired

/

swollen glands etc etc or

Actually Feeling BeTTER - Less Tired, MORE energy etc >>

I mean increased energy as if my intracellular glutathione were suddenly

increased. Almost felt like I was 'speeding', but I didn't have a rapid

heart beat. No herxing or detox, just felt better.

Mike

March 20, 2000

In a message dated 3/20/00 4:43:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,

onelist writes:

<< Im using Immun ocal (in packets) but Iwqon der if it would be practical to

get a gadget that vaccum seals plastic bags and gag daily does if thewheyis

so fragile?

>>

Since I am going out of town, will someone volunteer to contact Keenan

re this issue of whey losing its potency? I don't think it does. At least

not the

Pro. I think the immunocal folks are trying everything to make us think that

there

is ANY benefit to sticking with their product (i.e. I don't think Pro loses

potency)

Mike

October 27, 2000

Steve,

After watching discussions for a long time now, I am confused about what

Cheney's studies or other PWCs' experiences have been regarding use of a

particular brand of whey such as Immunocal, ImmunePro, Imuplus. I know cost

is one issue (would definitely be an issue for me.) Did Cheney ever

complete his study on ImmunePro and do you know what it showed - as

effective as Immunocal at killing viruses? Seems to me I read that another

of Cheney's patients got better on Immunocal. Why did you choose Imuplus or

did his study results help you decide it was as effective as the others?

Any other studies you know of or do you feel they are all three equally

effective?

Thanks, Steve.

Beth

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

October 27, 2000

Beth,

I believe Immunocal and Imuplus both tested on patients by Cheney and found

effective. Immunepro's contents were analyzed but I don't know if it's

affects were ever formally tested on patients. Myself and a lot of others

have experienced GI problems on the Immunepro so I use Imuplus exclusively

now ($54/month with CFIDS Assoc. monthly program) which is quite a bit

cheaper than Immunocal and identical as far as I can tell. Steve B.

RE: Re: Whey

>

> Steve,

>

> <Most successful for me have been Imuplus>

>

> After watching discussions for a long time now, I am confused about what

> Cheney's studies or other PWCs' experiences have been regarding use of a

> particular brand of whey such as Immunocal, ImmunePro, Imuplus. I know

cost

> is one issue (would definitely be an issue for me.) Did Cheney ever

> complete his study on ImmunePro and do you know what it showed - as

> effective as Immunocal at killing viruses? Seems to me I read that

another

> of Cheney's patients got better on Immunocal. Why did you choose Imuplus

or

> did his study results help you decide it was as effective as the others?

> Any other studies you know of or do you feel they are all three equally

> effective?

>

> Thanks, Steve.

>

> Beth

>

> > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

> >

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

December 14, 2001

It is also possible

a) you already have enough glutathione (although doubtful),

you have too much cysteine so you are making yourself toxic with the ImunePro

even though your glutathione is going up, or

c) you are missing some other things needed to make glutathione. Whey for most

people is the most direct way to make glutathione, most of the other ways need a

combination of things. But maybe for some reason you don't convert well from

whey.

Instead of the Immunepro, since you have mercury, it is likely you have high

cysteine. So you might want to try what I switched to (because my cysteine was

so high) and that is the precursers. They are l-glutamine (or l-glutamic acid),

and l-glycine. (You can get from cfsn.com or buy anywhere.) If you have

cysteine, these two will supposedly combine with it to make glutathione, doing

both raising the glutathione and lowering the cysteine which are both good.

Doris

whey

In a message dated 12/14/01 5:29:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

> I then found I had mercury - lesson is that you are wasting your time trying

> to raise Glutathione with mercury in your body at highh levels

>

Might be why I failed to respond at all, negatively or positively, with

ImmunePro and I tried very high doses and very low doses too.

-

December 15, 2001

People interested in whey might find my whey page interesting.

- Bob Joy , http://pages.cthome.net/xx/whey.htm , My whey page

December 15, 2001

You might want to mention on your web site that using whey does not

necessarily cure the disorders that you suggest, and you also might want to

mention some of the possible complications from using whey, such as elevated

cysteine levels.

lindaj@...

RE: whey

> People interested in whey might find my whey page interesting.

>

> - Bob Joy , http://pages.cthome.net/xx/whey.htm , My whey page

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

June 10, 2003

In a message dated 6/10/03 6:24:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jcwilburn@... writes:

> I have seen numerous studies re: whey with cancer showing benefit rather

> than detriment

WOuld whey effect people with hypoglycemia who are insullin resistant?

June 10, 2003

In a message dated 6/10/03 6:24:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jcwilburn@... writes:

> I have seen numerous studies re: whey with cancer showing benefit rather

> than detriment

WOuld whey effect people with hypoglycemia who are insullin resistant?

June 10, 2003

The good/bad effects of whey on cancer may have less to do with

whey than the person ingesting it. I don't know about the other

blood types, but it's a big no-no for me, an " A. "

June 10, 2003

The good/bad effects of whey on cancer may have less to do with

whey than the person ingesting it. I don't know about the other

blood types, but it's a big no-no for me, an " A. "

June 10, 2003

Re: Whey

Larry,

That sounds like an interesting theory - are there studies that show this effect

on cancer? I have seen numerous studies re: whey

with cancer showing benefit rather than detriment. The link that I posted

contains some information about it's effect on cancer

cell glutathione levels. I don't have time to search for more references or

studies, but they are numerous.

Cheryl

----

Hi:

There are so many books that speak of the dangers of IGF-1 found in dairy

products. http://www.notmilk.com should have specific studies if you

search on IGF-1 there. It's interesting though that milk prices

to farmers continue to decline to record lows and that more and more

dairy farms are going out of business. The industry is getting killed

with so many people dropping these products. It makes you wonder

just how accurate the promotional info on whey really us. Is it

really a good thing or is it just good to keep the milk industry in

business?

Larry

PS: An article below addresses the decline:

Like Dominoes, Dairy Farms Topple

There are 250,000 cows being milked in Washington

state, and Doelman's Dairy was once home to 5,000

of them.

Today, Doelman Dairy Farm is in Chapter 11, having

filed for protection because they have accrued $17

million in debt. I spoke with the matriarch of the

Doelman family on Friday (June 6, 2003). She is

mother to 23 children, three of her own, and twenty

adopted-from all over the world. Each family farm

that closes is a personal tragedy.

I love the dairy farmers and their values. It is their

product that I hate with extreme prejudice. All of their

lives, dairy producers have felt good about their work.

They one believed that milk from their cows was nature's

perfect food for humans. Now, as more and more health

conscious consumers wake up to the fact that milk does

not do a body any good, more and more fine people like

the Doelman family experience the hardship of finding

new ways to live.

Doelman Dairy produced over 100 million pounds of milk

in 2002, but the price of milk paid to dairy farmers has

fallen so dramatically that they lost about 25 cents

each time one of their cows filled a quart container.

The price dairy farmers now receive for milk has

reached a 30-year low. If not for government welfare

America's entire dairy industry would be out of business.

Wells Fargo Bank, owed over 7 million dollars, forced

Doelman Dairy to sell all of its cows to pay down their

debt. With no cows, there is no dairy. Just empty barns.

On Friday, April 4th, USDA announced the March

price for Class III milk, and for dairymen, news

of the skim has become even more grim. The price

dropped 55 cents for $9.11 cents per hundredweight.

At that time, the wholesale price for butter was

$1.07.9 cents per pound. Today, it's $106.4. In

April, the wholesale price for dried whey was 15.8

cents per pound. As of May 31, 2003, dairy processors

were receiving 14.2 cents per pound for their whey.

Falling prices result as a factor of falling demand.

The dairy industry's response has been to increase

inventory, so that surpluses increase.

Thousands of dairy farms have closed this year, and

thousands more will close before January 1, 2004. More

and more Americans are finding that soymilk tastes

better than cow's milk and is healthier, too.

Unlike cow's milk, soymilk contains no saturated animal

fat, cholesterol, antibiotics, or pus. No animals have

to die in order to produce one quart of soymilk.

A few days ago, I nursed a Chai tea with steamed soymilk

at an upscale coffee shop. I love witnessing soy go

mainstream.

MAD COW UPDATE

On May 27th, I reported that two young Michigan men had

died from Cruetzfeld Disease (CJD), the human

equivalent of Mad Cow Disease.

notmilk/message/1322

I also reported rumors that McBain, Michigan was home to at

least one quarantined herd. During the past week, I have

spoken to a few of McBain's residents, and am now satisfied

that there is no truth to the rumor that Mad Cows have been

identified on one or more McBain farms. If that was the case,

people would be talking about it. I have spoken to dairymen

their wives, truck drivers, and farmer's children. However,

I did learn that a third young man from Michigan died of the

same brain-wasting disease. CJD traditionally kills one out

of every one-million Americans over the age of 60. England

realized that they had a Mad Cow Disease problem when young

people began to get ill and die. The Mad Cows may or may not

be in McBain, but they are nearby. Michigan has lost three

of its young people. Their ages at death were 28, 26, and 23.

Cohen

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June 10, 2003

Re: Whey

Larry,

That sounds like an interesting theory - are there studies that show this effect

on cancer? I have seen numerous studies re: whey

with cancer showing benefit rather than detriment. The link that I posted

contains some information about it's effect on cancer

cell glutathione levels. I don't have time to search for more references or

studies, but they are numerous.

Cheryl

----

Hi:

There are so many books that speak of the dangers of IGF-1 found in dairy

products. http://www.notmilk.com should have specific studies if you

search on IGF-1 there. It's interesting though that milk prices

to farmers continue to decline to record lows and that more and more

dairy farms are going out of business. The industry is getting killed

with so many people dropping these products. It makes you wonder

just how accurate the promotional info on whey really us. Is it

really a good thing or is it just good to keep the milk industry in

business?

Larry

PS: An article below addresses the decline:

Like Dominoes, Dairy Farms Topple

There are 250,000 cows being milked in Washington

state, and Doelman's Dairy was once home to 5,000

of them.

Today, Doelman Dairy Farm is in Chapter 11, having

filed for protection because they have accrued $17

million in debt. I spoke with the matriarch of the

Doelman family on Friday (June 6, 2003). She is

mother to 23 children, three of her own, and twenty

adopted-from all over the world. Each family farm

that closes is a personal tragedy.

I love the dairy farmers and their values. It is their

product that I hate with extreme prejudice. All of their

lives, dairy producers have felt good about their work.

They one believed that milk from their cows was nature's

perfect food for humans. Now, as more and more health

conscious consumers wake up to the fact that milk does

not do a body any good, more and more fine people like

the Doelman family experience the hardship of finding

new ways to live.

Doelman Dairy produced over 100 million pounds of milk

in 2002, but the price of milk paid to dairy farmers has

fallen so dramatically that they lost about 25 cents

each time one of their cows filled a quart container.

The price dairy farmers now receive for milk has

reached a 30-year low. If not for government welfare

America's entire dairy industry would be out of business.

Wells Fargo Bank, owed over 7 million dollars, forced

Doelman Dairy to sell all of its cows to pay down their

debt. With no cows, there is no dairy. Just empty barns.

On Friday, April 4th, USDA announced the March

price for Class III milk, and for dairymen, news

of the skim has become even more grim. The price

dropped 55 cents for $9.11 cents per hundredweight.

At that time, the wholesale price for butter was

$1.07.9 cents per pound. Today, it's $106.4. In

April, the wholesale price for dried whey was 15.8

cents per pound. As of May 31, 2003, dairy processors

were receiving 14.2 cents per pound for their whey.

Falling prices result as a factor of falling demand.

The dairy industry's response has been to increase

inventory, so that surpluses increase.

Thousands of dairy farms have closed this year, and

thousands more will close before January 1, 2004. More

and more Americans are finding that soymilk tastes

better than cow's milk and is healthier, too.

Unlike cow's milk, soymilk contains no saturated animal

fat, cholesterol, antibiotics, or pus. No animals have

to die in order to produce one quart of soymilk.

A few days ago, I nursed a Chai tea with steamed soymilk

at an upscale coffee shop. I love witnessing soy go

mainstream.

MAD COW UPDATE

On May 27th, I reported that two young Michigan men had

died from Cruetzfeld Disease (CJD), the human

equivalent of Mad Cow Disease.

notmilk/message/1322

I also reported rumors that McBain, Michigan was home to at

least one quarantined herd. During the past week, I have

spoken to a few of McBain's residents, and am now satisfied

that there is no truth to the rumor that Mad Cows have been

identified on one or more McBain farms. If that was the case,

people would be talking about it. I have spoken to dairymen

their wives, truck drivers, and farmer's children. However,

I did learn that a third young man from Michigan died of the

same brain-wasting disease. CJD traditionally kills one out

of every one-million Americans over the age of 60. England

realized that they had a Mad Cow Disease problem when young

people began to get ill and die. The Mad Cows may or may not

be in McBain, but they are nearby. Michigan has lost three

of its young people. Their ages at death were 28, 26, and 23.

Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

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June 11, 2003

Hello:

Re: Whey

> Larry,

>

> I did check out the website but was unable to find anything specifically about

whey or specific studies about whey and cancer.

The only reference I was able to find about IGF-1 was that it " has been called a

key factor in the growth and proliferation of

breast and prostate cancers " .

>

> One thing that I learned while researching for my husband's cancer is only to

consider data if the identical substance or

component was studied, preferably in a large group, and with the exact type of

cancer unless the results were shown consistently

over a broad range of cancer types. I think it's a good idea to do that for ANY

supplement (or food)considered.

>

> All my research, all the excellent supplements and treatments he tried, did

not save my husband's life-but he greatly exceeded his

life expectancy and had a better quality of life- and I have the comfort of

knowing that I had researched thoroughly and well - I

never based a decision on vague advice, prejudice, or from a source that stood

to profit from that advice. Although I lost my

husband, I've remained on this list on the chance that I might be able to help

someone else. I'm not selling anything, but I did

notice that you are selling the books you recommended in your previous e-mail on

your website...

>

I appreciate the fact that you are here to help people and that you

are not out to make a profit. I am here for the same reasons which

is why I don't have a big signature line with my web site,

contact address, my credentials and a blurb about my products at

the bottom of my emails. I DO NOT SELL ANY OF THE BOOKS I sent

to the list. I have them on my web site with direct links to

the web sites of the authors or they have been marked out of stock

for the last 2 years on my site. Even if I did sell the books, I did not

do anything to promote business in my posts. I was trying to

help you and other members out by offering good resources.

You said " I never based a decision on vague advice, prejudice, or

from a source that stood to profit from that advice. "

My response is: Neither do I! I have spent 6 years researching these

issues. I shared with you some sound information based on my

studies. You don't have to accept it. On the other hand, not

all products that are promoted should be disregarded. How many

items do you buy in the store that you saw in ads? What about

radio, TV and magazine promotion of products? How in the world

can any company get their product into the public eye without

promoting it? Does that mean they are all bad? I think not.

Here are some of the studies on IGF-1 found on the site I

recommended:

-------

B IS FOR BREAST CANCER

Dear Friends,

Here is the second of twenty six installments. The following

ten references provide converging lines of evidence that

focus upon one central point.

There are hundreds of millions of different proteins in nature,

and only one hormone that is identical between any two

species. That powerful growth hormone is insulin-like growth

factor, or IGF-I. IGF-I survives digestion and has been

identified as the KEY FACTOR in breast cancer's growth.

IGF-I is identical in human and cow.

If you believe that breast feeding " works " to protect

lactoferrins and immunoglobulins from digestion (and benefit

the nursing infant), you must also recognize that milk is a

hormonal delivery system. By drinking cow's milk, one

delivers IGF-I in a bioactive form to the body's cells.

When IGF-I from cow's milk alights upon an existing cancer...

____________________________________________

Human Insulin-like growth factor (IGF-I) and bovine

IGF-I are identical. Both contain 70 amino acids in the

identical sequence.

Judith C. Juskevich and C. Greg Guyer.

SCIENCE, vol. 249. August 24, 1990.

____________________________________________

IGF-I is critically involved in the aberrant growth of human

breast cancer cells.

M. Lippman. J. Natl. Inst. Health Res., 1991, 3.

____________________________________________

Estrogen regulation of IGF-I in breast cancer cells would

support the hypothesis that IGF-I has a regulatory function

in breast cancer.

A.V. Lee, Mol-Cell- Endocrinol., March, 99(2).

____________________________________________

IGF-I is a potent growth factor for cellular

proliferation in the human breast carcinoma cell line.

J.C. Chen, J-Cell-Physiol., January, 1994, 158(1)

____________________________________________

Insulin-like growth factors are key factors for breast

cancer growth.

J.A. Figueroa, J-Cell-Physiol., Nov., 1993, 157(2)

____________________________________________

IGF-I produces a10-fold increase in RNA levels of

cancer cells. IGF-I appears to be a critical component

in cellular proliferation.

X.S. Li, Exp-Cell-Res., March, 1994, 211(1)

____________________________________________

IGF-I plays a major role in human breast cancer cell growth.

E.A. Musgrove, Eur-J-Cancer, 29A (16), 1993

____________________________________________

IGF-I has been identified as a key factor in breast cancer.

Hankinson. The Lancet, vol. 351. May 9, 1998

____________________________________________

Serum IGF-I levels increased significantly in milk drinkers,

an increase of about 10% above baseline but was

unchanged in the control group.

P. Heaney, Journal of the American Dietetic

Association, vol. 99, no. 10. October 1999

____________________________________________

IGF-1 accelerates the growth of breast cancer cells.

M. Lippman Science, Vol. 259, January 29, 1993

____________________________________________

Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

-----------

Dear Friends,

Insulin-like growth factor (IGF-I) in humans and

cows are identical. Like a key fitting into a

lock, this hormone is a perfect match between

two species of animal and exerts powerful growth

effects. IGF-I is the most powerful growth

hormone in the human body. Every sip of milk

and every bite of cheese contains IGF-I.

______________________________

" BGH-treated milk is safe because it is

indistinguishable from normal milk. "

Executive Branch Report on rbGH,

February 9, 1994

________________________________

" Milk from cows given supplemental bovine

somatotropin is the same as any other milk...

Unfortunately, a few fringe groups are using

misleading statements and blatant falsehoods

as part of a long-running campaign to scare

consumers about a perfectly safe food. "

Statement of C. Everett Koop on Genetically

engineered milk, February 6, 1994

________________________________

" Five independent authorities, the Food

and Drug Administration (FDA), National

Institutes of Health (NIH), World Health

Organization (WHO), the Journal of

the American Medical Association (JAMA),

and ex-Surgeon General C. Everett Koop

had found rbGH-treated milk to be

indistinguishable from normal milk. "

Monsanto (manufacturer of rbGH)

Press Release, June, 1992

________________________________

" From 1984 to 1986, Dr. Daughaday was

the recipient of a research contract from

Monsanto Company, a small fraction of

which was paid to Dr. Daughaday as a

consulting fee.

JAMA, 264 (8), 8/22/90

(Dr. Daughaday, the author of the JAMA

publication was an " independent authority "

referred to in Monsanto's Press Release)

________________________________

" Recombinant rbGH treatment produces an

increase in the concentration of insulin-like

growth factor-I (IGF-I) in cow's milk. "

FDA review of genetically engineered milk

SCIENCE, 8/24/90, Vol 249

________________________________

" After somidobove (rbGH) injection, mean

IGF-I levels in the treated milk are always

higher than those found in the controls. "

World Health Organization Report

Geneva, Switzerland. June, 1992

________________________________

" Levels of IGF increase in milk after

cows are treated with rbGH. "

December, 1990 National Institutes of Health

Assessment of Bovine Somatotropin

________________________________

" A strong positive association was observed

between IGF-I levels and prostate cancer risk. "

Science, vol. 279. January 23, 1998

________________________________

" Insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-I, a mitogenic

and antiapoptotic peptide, can affect the

proliferation of breast epithelial cells, and is

thought to have a role in breast cancer. "

The Lancet, vol. 351. May 9, 1998

________________________________

" Insulin-like growth factors (IGFs), in particular

IGF-I and IGF-II, strongly stimulate the

proliferation of a variety of cancer cells,

including those from lung cancer. High

plasma levels of IGF-I were associated with an

increased risk of lung cancer. Plasma levels of

IGF-I are higher...in patients with lung cancer

than in control subjects. "

Journal of the National Cancer Institute,

vol. 91, no. 2. January 20, 1999.

________________________________

" Insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) is

expressed in many tumor cell lines and has a

role in both normal cell proliferation and in

the growth of cancers.

Cancer Gene Ther, 2000 Mar, 7:3

________________________________

" The insulin-like growth factor (IGF) system is

widely involved in human carcinogenesis. A

significant association between high circulating

IGF-I concentrations and an increased risk of

lung, colon, prostate and pre-menopausal breast

cancer has recently been reported. Lowering

plasma IGF-I may thus represent an attractive

strategy to be pursued... "

Int J Cancer, 2000 Aug, 87:4, 601-5

________________________________

" ...serum IGF-I levels increased significantly

in the milk drinking group…an increase of

about 10% above baseline-but was

unchanged in the control group. "

Journal of the American Dietetic Association,

vol. 99, no. 10. October 1999

__________________________________

Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

June 11, 2003

Hello:

Re: Whey

> Larry,

>

> I did check out the website but was unable to find anything specifically about

whey or specific studies about whey and cancer.

The only reference I was able to find about IGF-1 was that it " has been called a

key factor in the growth and proliferation of

breast and prostate cancers " .

>

> One thing that I learned while researching for my husband's cancer is only to

consider data if the identical substance or

component was studied, preferably in a large group, and with the exact type of

cancer unless the results were shown consistently

over a broad range of cancer types. I think it's a good idea to do that for ANY

supplement (or food)considered.

>

> All my research, all the excellent supplements and treatments he tried, did

not save my husband's life-but he greatly exceeded his

life expectancy and had a better quality of life- and I have the comfort of

knowing that I had researched thoroughly and well - I

never based a decision on vague advice, prejudice, or from a source that stood

to profit from that advice. Although I lost my

husband, I've remained on this list on the chance that I might be able to help

someone else. I'm not selling anything, but I did

notice that you are selling the books you recommended in your previous e-mail on

your website...

>

I appreciate the fact that you are here to help people and that you

are not out to make a profit. I am here for the same reasons which

is why I don't have a big signature line with my web site,

contact address, my credentials and a blurb about my products at

the bottom of my emails. I DO NOT SELL ANY OF THE BOOKS I sent

to the list. I have them on my web site with direct links to

the web sites of the authors or they have been marked out of stock

for the last 2 years on my site. Even if I did sell the books, I did not

do anything to promote business in my posts. I was trying to

help you and other members out by offering good resources.

You said " I never based a decision on vague advice, prejudice, or

from a source that stood to profit from that advice. "

My response is: Neither do I! I have spent 6 years researching these

issues. I shared with you some sound information based on my

studies. You don't have to accept it. On the other hand, not

all products that are promoted should be disregarded. How many

items do you buy in the store that you saw in ads? What about

radio, TV and magazine promotion of products? How in the world

can any company get their product into the public eye without

promoting it? Does that mean they are all bad? I think not.

Here are some of the studies on IGF-1 found on the site I

recommended:

-------

B IS FOR BREAST CANCER

Dear Friends,

Here is the second of twenty six installments. The following

ten references provide converging lines of evidence that

focus upon one central point.

There are hundreds of millions of different proteins in nature,

and only one hormone that is identical between any two

species. That powerful growth hormone is insulin-like growth

factor, or IGF-I. IGF-I survives digestion and has been

identified as the KEY FACTOR in breast cancer's growth.

IGF-I is identical in human and cow.

If you believe that breast feeding " works " to protect

lactoferrins and immunoglobulins from digestion (and benefit

the nursing infant), you must also recognize that milk is a

hormonal delivery system. By drinking cow's milk, one

delivers IGF-I in a bioactive form to the body's cells.

When IGF-I from cow's milk alights upon an existing cancer...

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Human Insulin-like growth factor (IGF-I) and bovine

IGF-I are identical. Both contain 70 amino acids in the

identical sequence.

Judith C. Juskevich and C. Greg Guyer.

SCIENCE, vol. 249. August 24, 1990.

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IGF-I is critically involved in the aberrant growth of human

breast cancer cells.

M. Lippman. J. Natl. Inst. Health Res., 1991, 3.

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Estrogen regulation of IGF-I in breast cancer cells would

support the hypothesis that IGF-I has a regulatory function

in breast cancer.

A.V. Lee, Mol-Cell- Endocrinol., March, 99(2).

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IGF-I is a potent growth factor for cellular

proliferation in the human breast carcinoma cell line.

J.C. Chen, J-Cell-Physiol., January, 1994, 158(1)

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Insulin-like growth factors are key factors for breast

cancer growth.

J.A. Figueroa, J-Cell-Physiol., Nov., 1993, 157(2)

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IGF-I produces a10-fold increase in RNA levels of

cancer cells. IGF-I appears to be a critical component

in cellular proliferation.

X.S. Li, Exp-Cell-Res., March, 1994, 211(1)

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IGF-I plays a major role in human breast cancer cell growth.

E.A. Musgrove, Eur-J-Cancer, 29A (16), 1993

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IGF-I has been identified as a key factor in breast cancer.

Hankinson. The Lancet, vol. 351. May 9, 1998

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Serum IGF-I levels increased significantly in milk drinkers,

an increase of about 10% above baseline but was

unchanged in the control group.

P. Heaney, Journal of the American Dietetic

Association, vol. 99, no. 10. October 1999

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IGF-1 accelerates the growth of breast cancer cells.

M. Lippman Science, Vol. 259, January 29, 1993

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Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

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Dear Friends,

Insulin-like growth factor (IGF-I) in humans and

cows are identical. Like a key fitting into a

lock, this hormone is a perfect match between

two species of animal and exerts powerful growth

effects. IGF-I is the most powerful growth

hormone in the human body. Every sip of milk

and every bite of cheese contains IGF-I.

______________________________

" BGH-treated milk is safe because it is

indistinguishable from normal milk. "

Executive Branch Report on rbGH,

February 9, 1994

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" Milk from cows given supplemental bovine

somatotropin is the same as any other milk...

Unfortunately, a few fringe groups are using

misleading statements and blatant falsehoods

as part of a long-running campaign to scare

consumers about a perfectly safe food. "

Statement of C. Everett Koop on Genetically

engineered milk, February 6, 1994

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" Five independent authorities, the Food

and Drug Administration (FDA), National

Institutes of Health (NIH), World Health

Organization (WHO), the Journal of

the American Medical Association (JAMA),

and ex-Surgeon General C. Everett Koop

had found rbGH-treated milk to be

indistinguishable from normal milk. "

Monsanto (manufacturer of rbGH)

Press Release, June, 1992

________________________________

" From 1984 to 1986, Dr. Daughaday was

the recipient of a research contract from

Monsanto Company, a small fraction of

which was paid to Dr. Daughaday as a

consulting fee.

JAMA, 264 (8), 8/22/90

(Dr. Daughaday, the author of the JAMA

publication was an " independent authority "

referred to in Monsanto's Press Release)

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" Recombinant rbGH treatment produces an

increase in the concentration of insulin-like

growth factor-I (IGF-I) in cow's milk. "

FDA review of genetically engineered milk

SCIENCE, 8/24/90, Vol 249

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" After somidobove (rbGH) injection, mean

IGF-I levels in the treated milk are always

higher than those found in the controls. "

World Health Organization Report

Geneva, Switzerland. June, 1992

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" Levels of IGF increase in milk after

cows are treated with rbGH. "

December, 1990 National Institutes of Health

Assessment of Bovine Somatotropin

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" A strong positive association was observed

between IGF-I levels and prostate cancer risk. "

Science, vol. 279. January 23, 1998

________________________________

" Insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-I, a mitogenic

and antiapoptotic peptide, can affect the

proliferation of breast epithelial cells, and is

thought to have a role in breast cancer. "

The Lancet, vol. 351. May 9, 1998

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" Insulin-like growth factors (IGFs), in particular

IGF-I and IGF-II, strongly stimulate the

proliferation of a variety of cancer cells,

including those from lung cancer. High

plasma levels of IGF-I were associated with an

increased risk of lung cancer. Plasma levels of

IGF-I are higher...in patients with lung cancer

than in control subjects. "

Journal of the National Cancer Institute,

vol. 91, no. 2. January 20, 1999.

________________________________

" Insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) is

expressed in many tumor cell lines and has a

role in both normal cell proliferation and in

the growth of cancers.

Cancer Gene Ther, 2000 Mar, 7:3

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" The insulin-like growth factor (IGF) system is

widely involved in human carcinogenesis. A

significant association between high circulating

IGF-I concentrations and an increased risk of

lung, colon, prostate and pre-menopausal breast

cancer has recently been reported. Lowering

plasma IGF-I may thus represent an attractive

strategy to be pursued... "

Int J Cancer, 2000 Aug, 87:4, 601-5

________________________________

" ...serum IGF-I levels increased significantly

in the milk drinking group…an increase of

about 10% above baseline-but was

unchanged in the control group. "

Journal of the American Dietetic Association,

vol. 99, no. 10. October 1999

__________________________________

Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

June 11, 2003

Re: Whey

Larry,

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your connection with the books. I'm regretting

getting involved in this debate, as really the only way

to give specific advice to the listmember that posted the original question

would involve hours of research-and then there still may

not be a clear answer. Do the benefits shown in studies with chemo and

radiation outweigh whatever risks other studies have shown?

Were pro and con studies both done in humans, with whey in the same form, what

cancers, etc.? (these are rhetorical questions- I'm

not asking you personally). The unfortunate truth is that simple questions like

" what can I eat " inevitably lead to conflicting

information and many questions to answer. Even if you are capable and willing to

do all the research may never get a satisfactory

answer. I sincerely wish the very best of luck to all on this list who are

dealing with that.

Cheryl

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Hi:

It's all about sharing info. We all need to evaluate info that is put in

our path and come to our own conclusions. It's not easy but when it

comes to our own health, we are responsible. Discussion groups like

this are an amazing resource but the info still needs to be personally

validated by each individual. At least it helps us to focus our

research and learn about things we may not have heard about otherwise.

Larry

June 11, 2003

Re: Whey

Larry,

I'm sorry if I misunderstood your connection with the books. I'm regretting

getting involved in this debate, as really the only way

to give specific advice to the listmember that posted the original question

would involve hours of research-and then there still may

not be a clear answer. Do the benefits shown in studies with chemo and

radiation outweigh whatever risks other studies have shown?

Were pro and con studies both done in humans, with whey in the same form, what

cancers, etc.? (these are rhetorical questions- I'm

not asking you personally). The unfortunate truth is that simple questions like

" what can I eat " inevitably lead to conflicting

information and many questions to answer. Even if you are capable and willing to

do all the research may never get a satisfactory

answer. I sincerely wish the very best of luck to all on this list who are

dealing with that.

Cheryl

-------------

Hi:

It's all about sharing info. We all need to evaluate info that is put in

our path and come to our own conclusions. It's not easy but when it

comes to our own health, we are responsible. Discussion groups like

this are an amazing resource but the info still needs to be personally

validated by each individual. At least it helps us to focus our

research and learn about things we may not have heard about otherwise.

Larry

June 12, 2003

Dear Cheryl,

Thank you for you very informative posting on IGF-I and breast cancer. Must

have taken you ages to do all this research. I am now very worried. My

sister is fighting breast cancer and she is on the Dr. Budwig diet which is

flaxoil and cottage cheese. Anybody on this forum with any advice

please???? On the flaxoil forum there were several diffirent postings on

woman with breastcancer on the Budwig diet and doing very well. All and any

comment would be highly appreciated.

Cheryl du Toit

June 12, 2003

Dear Cheryl,

Thank you for you very informative posting on IGF-I and breast cancer. Must

have taken you ages to do all this research. I am now very worried. My

sister is fighting breast cancer and she is on the Dr. Budwig diet which is

flaxoil and cottage cheese. Anybody on this forum with any advice

please???? On the flaxoil forum there were several diffirent postings on

woman with breastcancer on the Budwig diet and doing very well. All and any

comment would be highly appreciated.

Cheryl du Toit

June 12, 2003

Re: Whey

> Cheryl,

>

> That wasn't me that posted the IGF-1 info. It was Larry, who was quoting my

previous post which may have made it appear it came

from me. I was actually the one who suggested whey as a good source of

nutrition that would be easy to swallow. If I had breast

cancer, or was helping someone who did, I would research more thoroughly. I did

do a quick search on Pubmed (searching for IGF-1

intake with breast cancer). Apparently from studies of diets of populations it

is believed or hypothesized that high dairy intake

can increase breast cancer risk. As far as specific studies, it appears to me

that insulin resistance is more likely to cause high

IGF-1 levels than intake of IGF-1 (eating it). Yet another reason to avoid a

diet high in refined carbs (like flour and sugar). I'm

insulin resistant (I don't have cancer, as far as I know) and restrict all

carbs. I've lost 60 pounds and have never been healthier

(but I digress...). Bottom line is that there doesn't appear to be any

> significant, definitive research with IGF-1 intake and breast cancer. The

same could be said of flax oil/cottage cheese, but so

many people have used it, and with good results. I wouldn't ignore that just

because I couldn't find something on Pubmed. If I

knew that restriction of dairy products had the same good results I wouldn't

ignore that either, but so far I haven't seen or heard

anything that would make me believe that.

>

> I would just encourage you to learn all that you can and come to your own

conclusions. Even if you never feel like you've found

THE answer, you will feel better knowing that you've been thorough. I wouldn't

rely on anyone's opinion (including mine). I've

copied the insulin/IGF-1 references from Pubmed below, if you're interested.

Good luck to you, and to your sister.

>

Cheryl:

I am glad you are watching your carb intake for your insulin resistance problem.

It's the right thing to do but do you know why that makes such a difference

for you? Again, I recommend the following site:

http://www.iknowthecause.com/

and the book that is available there called " Infectious Diabetes " . It

explains insulin resistance and has a lot to say about the relationship

between fungus, diabetes and insulin resistance in general.

Cancer/fungus thrive on sugars and there is a relationship there to

consider. Here is what the NotMilk man has to say about dairy

products and sugars:

" Galactose, a milk sugar. Another essential milk component that

acts to degrade the arteries. The lucky people who cannot tolerate

lactose avoid ice cream. Those who can digest lactose break it

down into two other sugars, glucose and galactose. "

So, whether it's IGF-1 that is accelerating cancer growth or the

sugars from consumption of dairy products that are feeding it, it

is a good thing to drop such products until one recovers. After

all, milk is a product that is designed to feed the young so they

grow up to be big and strong. Not to mention that the young are

supposed to come from the same species as the donor. Why cow

milk anyway? Goats milk is popular now also. How about dogs

milk? Hell, why not just hook up a couple of thousand recent

human mothers to milking machines and market human milk.

If I remember correctly, the use of cottage cheese in Budwig

is for the high amounts of Glutathione contained in it and the

importance of that nutrient in dealing with cancer and disease

in general. Glutathione is used in other cancer therapies as

well and can be obtained in supplement form. Whey also contains

high amounts of this nutrient which might be why some people

see some good results with it. The thing is, why get glutathione

from an animal source that may contain IGF-1, sugars, various

diseases and other factors that may hamper ones recovery when

you can get it direct and minimize all the other risks.

Again, I am just sharing information. As Cheryl said above,

" I wouldn't rely on anyone's opinion (including mine). " Please look

into these things and make the best decision possible for your

individual circumstances.

Larry

June 12, 2003