Whey

[Guest guest]

Congratualtions Tom. You have once again proven immunocal with all this

reseach. After all this research on whey protein is Dr. Bounous and his

colleages and when they did these studies they used Immunocal. I am yet

to see information exclusivly on studies performed on Life Extension

Protein, you keep giving Dr. Bounous and colleages research. Where

specifically is Life Extension's Research and clinical studies? It is

very wrong to cut down the product of the very Doctor whose info you

use trying to use to back up this product with no actual proof. These

are peoples lives. And they deserve the best chance they can have. I

believe Dr. Bounous has done the research to prove this and the product

that came out of all this research is IMMUNOCAL.

Immunocal is a good product in that it has all the amino acids the body

needs most improtant being the building blocks for glutathione.

Glutathione is the real hero here. Since 1888 man has known of its

existence, how it works and why. Immunocal is not a cure, but when you

give the body back that which it is lacking, then the cure or miracle

comes from within and glutathione gets to save the day. This is the

built in mechanism given to you at birth to act as your antioxidant and

detoxifier. It needs nurishment, and that is where Immunocal comes in.

Give it the proper nurishment and see how well your immune system can

take care of you.

Again Tom, where is the proof from Life Extension Protein, and please

don't insult me with using Dr. Bounous and colleages research,

especially when you think you should knock the product that this proof

was obtained with. You can't have it both ways. I won't let you, not

verbally anyways. These folks need the best not a product you can't

proove.

To the rest of you, I appologize, I am not trying to turn this into a

war. But I hope you can appreciate where I am coming from. I really

only want you to know the right info, and to me the right info is the

one that is proven. So far all the proof I have seen, Dr. Bounous and

colleages used Immunocal in their studdies and that is how it came to

be.

Have a great day, and know the truth

Debbie

tom dalton <tdalto-@...> wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=3298

> Whey protein stimulated the proliferation

> and differentiation of osteoblastic MC3T3-E1

> cells.

>

> Takada Y, Aoe S, Kumegawa M

> Nutritional Science Laboratory, Snow Brand Milk

> Product Co. Ltd.,

> Saitama, Japan.

> Biochem Biophys Res Commun 1996 Jun

> 14;223(2):445-9

>

> We examined the effects of whey protein on

> osteoblastic MC3T3-E1 cells.

> This protein caused dose-dependent increases in

> [3H]thymidine

> incorporation and DNA content in the cells. It

> also increased the total

> protein and hydroxyproline contents in the

cells.

> These activities were heat

> resistant when the protein was heated at 75

> degrees C to 90 degrees C for

> 10 min. Heat-treated whey protein was first

> fractionated on a Mono S

> column, and the active fraction (basic protein

> fraction) was then applied to

> Superose 12. The molecular weights of the

active

> components were

> approximately 10,000 and 14,000 Da, as

determined

> with gel filtration. The

> inner solution of an everted gut-sac incubated

in

> a solution of intact BP

> (basic protein), pepsin-digested BP or

> pepsin/pancreatin-digested BP also

> stimulated the [3H]thymidine incorporation.

Thus

> these active components

> can possibly permeate or be absorbed by the

> intestines. We propose the

> possibility that the active component in the

whey

> protein plays an important

> role in bone formation by activating

osteoblasts.

>

>

>

> Whey and Cancer

>

> Kennedy RS Konok GP Bounous G Baruchel S Lee

TD

> Anticancer Res (1995 Nov-Dec) 15(6B):2643-9

>

> Glutathione (GSH) concentration is high in most

> tumor cells and this may

> be an important factor in resistance to

> chemotherapy. Previous in- vitro

> and animal experiments have shown a

differential

> response of tumor versus

> normal cells to various cysteine delivery

> systems. More specifically, an

> in-vitro assay showed that at concentrations

that

> induce GSH synthesis in

> normal human cells, a specially prepared whey

> protein concentrate,

> Immunocal, caused GSH depletion and inhibition

of

> proliferation in human

> breast cancer cells. On the basis of this

> information five patients with

> metastatic carcinoma of the breast, one of the

> pancreas and one of the liver

> were fed 30 grams of this whey protein

> concentrate daily for six months. In

> six patients the blood lymphocyte GSH levels

were

> substantially above

> normal at the outset, reflecting high tumor GSH

> levels. Two patients (#1,

> #3) exhibited signs of tumor regression,

> normalization of haemoglobin and

> peripheral lymphocyte counts and a sustained

drop

> of lymphocyte GSH

> levels towards normal. Two patients (#2, #7)

> showed stabilization of the

> tumor, increased haemoglobin levels. In three

> patients (#4, #5, #6,) the

> disease progressed with a trend toward higher

> lymphocyte GSH levels.

> These results indicate that whey protein

> concentrate might deplete tumor

> cells of GSH and render them more vulnerable to

> chemotherapy.

>

>

>

> The influence of dietary whey protein on

> tissue glutathione and the diseases of aging

>

> Bounous G, Gervais F, Amer V, Batist G, Gold P

> Clin Invest Med (1989 Dec) 12(6):343-9

>

> This study compared the effects of a whey-rich

> diet (20 g/100 g diet), with

> that of Purina mouse chow or casein-rich diet

(20

> g/100 g diet), on the liver

> and heart glutathione content and on the

survival

> of old male C57BL/6NIA

> mice. The study was performed during a limited

> observation period of 6.3

> months. In mice fed the whey protein-rich diet

> between 17 months and 20

> months of age, the heart tissue and liver

tissue

> glutathione content were

> enhanced significantly above the corresponding

> values of the casein

> diet-fed and Purina-fed mice. Mice fed the whey

> protein diet at the onset

> of senescence at 84 weeks exhibited increased

> longevity as compared to

> mice fed Purina mouse chow over the 6.3-month

> observation period

> extending from the age of 21 months

> (corresponding to a human age of 55

> years) to 26-27 months of age (corresponding

to a

> human age of 80 years),

> during which time 55% mortality was observed.

The

> corresponding mean

> survival time of mice fed the defined casein

diet

> is almost identical to that

> of Purina-fed controls. Body weight curves were

> similar in all three dietary

> groups. Hence a whey protein diet appears to

> enhance the liver and heart

> glutathione concentration in aging mice and to

> increase longevity over a

> 6.3-month observation period.

>

>

>

> Lowering effect of dietary milk-whey protein

> v. casein on plasma and liver cholesterol

> concentrations in rats

>

> Zhang X, Beynen AC

> Br J Nutr (1993 Jul) 70(1):139-46

>

> The effect of dietary whey protein versus

casein

> on plasma and liver

> cholesterol concentrations was investigated in

> female, weanling rats.

> Balanced, purified diets containing either whey

> protein or casein, or the

> amino acid mixtures simulating these proteins,

> were used. The

> high-cholesterol diets (10 grams of cholesterol

> per kg feed) had either 150

> or 300 grams protein or amino acids/kg feed.

The

> diets were given for 3

> weeks. At the low dietary protein level, whey

> protein versus casein did not

> affect plasma total cholesterol, but lowered

the

> concentration of liver

> cholesterol. At the high dietary-protein level,

> whey protein significantly

> lowered plasma and liver cholesterol and also

> plasma triacylglycerols. The

> hypocholesterolemic effect of whey protein was

> associated with a decrease

> in very-low-density-lipoprotein cholesterol. At

> the high dietary protein

> concentration, whey protein reduced the fecal

> excretion of bile acids when

> compared with casein. The effects of intact

whey

> protein versus casein

> were not reproduced by the amino acid mixtures

> simulating these proteins.

> It is suggested tentatively that the

> cholesterol-lowering effect of whey

> protein in rats is caused by inhibition of

> hepatic cholesterol synthesis.

>

>

>

> Antibacterial spectrum of lactoferricin B, a

> potent bactericidal peptide derived from the

> N-terminal region of bovine lactoferrin

>

> Bellamy W, Takase M, Wakabayashi H, Kawase K,

> Tomita M

> J Appl Bacteriol (1992 Dec) 73(6):472-9

>

> A physiologically diverse range of

Gram-positive

> and Gram-negative

> bacteria was found to be susceptible to

> inhibition and inactivation by

> lactoferricin B, a peptide produced by gastric

> pepsin digestion of bovine

> lactoferrin. The list of susceptible organisms

> includes Escherichia coli,

> Salmonella enteritidis, Klebsiella pneumoniae,

> Proteus vulgaris, Yersinia

> enterocolitica, Pseudomonas aeruginosa,

> Campylobacter jejuni,

> Staphylococcus aureus, Streptococcus mutans,

> Corynebacterium

> diphtheriae, Listeria monocytogenes and

> Clostridium perfringens.

> Concentrations of lactoferricin B required to

> cause complete inhibition of

> growth varied within the range of 0.3 to 150

> micrograms/ml, depending on

> the strain and the culture medium used. The

> peptide showed activity

> against E. coli O111 over the range of pH 5.5

to

> 7.5 and was most

> effective under slightly alkaline conditions.

Its

> antibacterial effectiveness

> was reduced in the presence of Na+, K+, Mg2+ or

> Ca2+ ions, or in the

> presence of various buffer salts.

Lactoferricin B

> was lethal, causing a rapid

> loss of colony-forming capability in most of

the

> species tested.

> Pseudomonas fluorescens, Enterococcus faecalis

> and Bifidobacterium

> bifidum strains were highly resistant to this

> peptide.

>

>

>

> Damage of the outer membrane of enteric

> gram-negative bacteria by lactoferrin and

> transferrin

>

> Ellison RT 3d, Giehl TJ, LaForce FM

> Infect Immun (1988 Nov) 56(11):2774-81

>

> We hypothesized that the iron-binding proteins

> could affect the

> gram-negative outer membrane in a manner

similar

> to that of the chelator

> EDTA. The ability of lactoferrin and

transferrin

> to release radiolabeled lipo

> polysaccharide (LPS) from a UDP- galactose

> epimerase deficient

> Escherichia coli mutant and from wild-type

> Salmonella typhimurium strains

> was tested. Initial studies in barbital-acetate

> buffer showed that EDTA and

> lactoferrin cause significant release of LPS

from

> all three strains. Further

> studies found that LPS release was blocked by

> iron saturation of

> lactoferrin, occurred between pH 6 and 7.5, was

> comparable for bacterial

> concentrations from 10(4) to 10(7) CFU/ml, and

> increased with increasing

> lactoferrin concentrations. Studies using Hanks

> balanced salt solution

> lacking calcium and magnesium showed that

> transferrin also could cause

> LPS release. Additionally, both lactoferrin and

> transferrin increased the

> antibacterial effect of a subinhibitory

> concentration of rifampin, a drug

> excluded by the bacterial outer membrane. This

> work demonstrates that

> these iron-binding proteins damage the

> gram-negative outer membrane and

> alter bacterial outer membrane permeability.

>

>

>

> Antibacterial activity of lactoferrin and a

> pepsin-derived lactoferrin peptide fragment

>

> Yamauchi K, Tomita M, Giehl TJ, Ellison RT 3d,

> Infect Immun (1993 Feb) 61(2):719-28

>

> Recent work has indicated that in addition to

> binding iron, human

> lactoferrin damages the outer membrane of

> gram-negative bacteria. In this

> study, we determined whether bovine lactoferrin

> and a pepsin- derived

> bovine lactoferrin peptide (lactoferricin)

> fragment have similar activities.

> We found that both 20 microM bovine lactoferrin

> and 20 microM

> lactoferricin release intrinsically labeled

> [3H]lipopolysaccharide ([3H]LPS)

> from three bacterial strains, Escherichia coli

> CL99 1-2, Salmonella

> typhimurium SL696, and Salmonella montevideo

> SL5222. Under most

> conditions, more LPS is released by the peptide

> fragment than by whole

> bovine lactoferrin. In the presence of either

> lactoferrin or lactoferricin there

> is increased killing of E. coli CL99 1-2 by

> lysozyme. Like human

> lactoferrin, bovine lactoferrin and

lactoferricin

> have the ability to bind to

> free intrinsically labeled [3H]LPS molecules.

In

> addition to these effects,

> whereas bovine lactoferrin was at most

> bacteriostatic, lactoferricin

> demonstrated consistent bactericidal activity

> against gram-negative bacteria.

> This bactericidal effect is modulated by the

> cations Ca2+, Mg2+, and F3+

> but is independent of the osmolarity of the

> medium. Transmission electron

> microscopy of bacterial cells exposed to

> lactoferricin show the immediate

> development of electron-dense " membrane

> blisters. " These experiments

> offer evidence that bovine lactoferrin and

> lactoferricin damage the outer

> membrane of gram-negative bacteria. Moreover,

the

> peptide fragment

> lactoferricin has direct bactericidal activity.

> As lactoferrin is exposed to

> proteolytic factors in vivo which could cleave

> the lactoferricin fragment, the

> effects of this peptide are of both mechanistic

> and physiologic relevance.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/18/99 5:33:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

onelist writes:

> I was surfing and I found an article on whey protein and glutathione

> >at the web site for the Cleveland Eye Clinic.

> >http://members.toast.net/cec/nutrition/whey.html

Could someone pls. tell me how many grams of protein are in a packet of

immunocal or imuplus? For those of us who are trying the cheaper brands, they

do not come in packets, they come in bulk form. Therefore, it would be

helpful

to know how much to take. The brand that I have is 22 grams per scoop which

provides 17g of protein. Thanks.

Mike

[Guest guest]

IMUPLUS is 10 grams per package...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/24/00 3:28:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,

onelist writes:

> Subject: Re: the wheys to buy whey

>

> Thats odd, it's still on their website. Did you learn this over the phone?

>

> Regards,

[Mike]Hey folks! Doesn't the thing that makes the most sense is to wait for

Carol to find out where the new improved Cheney whey is available. I will

call

his office tomorrow if someone will give me the # or if I know what city his

office

is in then I can find his # on the Internet. Let's agree on one person to

get the

info so we don't have 289 people calling his office.

Mike

[Guest guest]

Hi, I mix it with water and drink it lumps and all -mix with fork, and

throw in MSM and figure no pain, no gain. I sympathize tho.... Christie

t 07:31 PM 2/22/00 EST, you wrote:

>From: mcamp10139@...

>

>I would like to know if anyone has found a good way to take Immunopro (or any

>whey) without mixing it in milk. I just received my 'Pro today and I nearly

>gagged drinking it after putting a small amount in some soy milk. Also, it

>doesn't mix very well so I would take suggestions for that too.

>

>Thanks, Mike

[Guest guest]

>From: mcamp10139@...

>

>I would like to know if anyone has found a good way to take Immunopro (or

any

>whey) without mixing it in milk. I just received my 'Pro today and I

nearly

>gagged drinking it after putting a small amount in some soy milk. Also, it

>doesn't mix very well so I would take suggestions for that too.

Mike,

I use a battery operated mixer (NEEDS has them for 10.95 but I saw them at

Vitamin World for 7.95). It is called a cyclone mixer. The whey is slowly

put in the 6 ounces of swirling liquid, preferably room temp and distilled

drinking water. It's not too bad and I was using a full packet. There are

no lumps - it is a slightly cloudy liquid with an odor resembling milk or

ice cream. 6 ounces goes down fast. If you are not using a full packet,

then you could probably get by with 3 ounces.

I don't think soy is that great a taste by itself anyway.

Marty Z.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/22/2000 4:38:58 PM Pacific Standard Time,

mcamp10139@... writes:

<< I would like to know if anyone has found a good way to take Immunopro (or

any

whey) without mixing it in milk. I just received my 'Pro today and I nearly

gagged drinking it after putting a small amount in some soy milk. Also, it

doesn't mix very well so I would take suggestions for that too.

Thanks, Mike >>

Best thing is to mix it in distilled water. This way you will digest it less

in the stomach and thus get more benefit from it. Try to get an " Easy

Mixer " , a battery operated cyclone mixer. Mixer must be battery operated.

Needs has them for about 10 dollars. It makes the mixing SO much easier! I

pour in the powder into the center of the " cyclone " vortex created by the

mixer. Be sure not to put too much water, as you will be running it with the

lid off (in order to pour in the powder).

[Guest guest]

Mike:

My first thought was about the soy milk being less than yummy, too,

I used the mixer for awhile, too and then let it sit because I'd get

disgusted by even a little foam. Now that I am taking ImunoPro I find it

more milk like with no smell. It melts better than Immuncal did. I put 1

to 2 servings in a little tupperware with about 5-6 ounces of distilled

water and shake it. Then I let it sit for 20 minutes to finish melting.

I don't even have to hold my nose. It tastes like milk. When it was more

watered down, I'd gaggy, too. Good luck, Sheri

> >From: mcamp10139@...

> >

> >I would like to know if anyone has found a good way to take Immunopro (or

> any

> >whey) without mixing it in milk. I just received my 'Pro today and I

> nearly

> >gagged drinking it after putting a small amount in some soy milk. Also, it

> >doesn't mix very well so I would take suggestions for that too.

>

> Mike,

> I use a battery operated mixer (NEEDS has them for 10.95 but I saw them at

> Vitamin World for 7.95). It is called a cyclone mixer. The whey is slowly

> put in the 6 ounces of swirling liquid, preferably room temp and distilled

> drinking water. It's not too bad and I was using a full packet. There are

> no lumps - it is a slightly cloudy liquid with an odor resembling milk or

> ice cream. 6 ounces goes down fast. If you are not using a full packet,

> then you could probably get by with 3 ounces.

>

> I don't think soy is that great a taste by itself anyway.

>

> Marty Z.

>

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[Guest guest]

Those hand held wand mixers will mix anything up. And try rice milk. It is

easier to get down than soy.

Bekah

mcamp10139@... wrote:

> From: mcamp10139@...

>

> I would like to know if anyone has found a good way to take Immunopro (or any

> whey) without mixing it in milk. I just received my 'Pro today and I nearly

> gagged drinking it after putting a small amount in some soy milk. Also, it

> doesn't mix very well so I would take suggestions for that too.

>

> Thanks, Mike

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[Guest guest]

Please send this again, I would love to see the info. Thanks!

Whey

>From: mcamp10139@...

>

>Has anyone experienced a headache or stuffy sinus symptom from whey

>usage? I am getting a great benefit from the 'Pro (only 3 grams/day) but

>I've got this headache. It may be unrelated to the whey, however.

>

>I forwarded a message that I got from the 'Pro distributor on to the list

but

>I never saw it when reading the digest. It is some pretty interesting info

on

>rapid improvement from whey, so if nobody else has seen it, I will send it

>again.

>

>Mike

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[Guest guest]

Mike is there a way that any of us could talk to Keenan further?

[Guest guest]

You mentioned Dr. Edelson in your post.

Is that the one In Atlanta , the enviromental DR. ?

whey

>From: candtcampbell@...

>

>Steve wrote:

>

>I have tried two different

>whey products both for about a month and never noticed anything -- are

>there any other none responders.

>

>[Tim:] I've been on the ImmunoPro for a week now, 10g per day at first,

>then 20g the past 2 days. I haven't noticed much either. I did have an

>itchy pimple pop up on my arm the day after I upped to 20g---some people

>say skin eruptions are a sign of detoxification. Dr. Edelson did the

>caffeine clearance detox test on me several years ago, and apparently I

>already detox well, so I may not really need to boost my glutathione. I

>think I'll stay on 20-30g a day for about 3 months, which is what Carol

>told me Cheney recommends to see if the whey is really going to do

>anything.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/7/00 11:50:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,

onelist writes:

<< Spilt dosage seems to be the preferred way... so there is a continuous

supply of it's good stuff to the body and you are increasing the rate...

>>

I think it depends on the metabolism of the indiviual. Morning dosing would

be

prefered if it caused insomnia, otherwise a.m./p.m. is OK.

Mike

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/8/00 11:03:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

onelist writes:

<< The one thing I find

with me is that some days one pack makes me feel just great, other days

(like yesterday) I get sick feeling. I know the sick is probably from >>

This is interesting, . Since you and I are two of the more functional

PWCs, the fact that whey makes us feel great may be more than a coincidence.

I wonder why some days you get a sick feeling? Are you taking anything else

on an every other day basis, supplements or drugs? I took some of Dave's

LE today with my whey and REALLy felt good until the LE wore off. Has anyone

else tried the LE and whey together? Maybe Carol would have some speculation

as to why the whey some times makes you feel sick.

Mike

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/8/00 10:14:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,

onelist writes:

<< Subject: Re: Re: Whey

What is LE?

Regards, . >>

Sorry, I should have said Licorice Extract (LE). The immediate benefit that I

am getting from ImmunoPro (immediate being within an hour) is similar to the

benefit that you get the first time or two that you take LE. It activates

whatever

cortisol is circulating in your body and kind of gives you a runner's high

feeling.

Mike

[Guest guest]

What is LE?

Regards, .

Re: Whey

--Snip--

>I took some of Dave's

> LE today with my whey and REALLy felt good until the LE wore off. Has

anyone

> else tried the LE and whey together? Maybe Carol would have some

speculation

> as to why the whey some times makes you feel sick.

>

> Mike

[Guest guest]

Mike wrote:

>I took some of Dave's

>LE today with my whey and REALLy felt good until the LE wore off. Has

anyone

>else tried the LE and whey together

What is LE?!

-Theresa

[Guest guest]

What is LE in this context ?

Re: Whey

>From: mcamp10139@...

>

>In a message dated 3/8/00 11:03:56 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>onelist writes:

>

><< The one thing I find

> with me is that some days one pack makes me feel just great, other days

> (like yesterday) I get sick feeling. I know the sick is probably from >>

>

>

>This is interesting, . Since you and I are two of the more

functional

>PWCs, the fact that whey makes us feel great may be more than a

coincidence.

>I wonder why some days you get a sick feeling? Are you taking anything

else

>on an every other day basis, supplements or drugs? I took some of Dave's

>LE today with my whey and REALLy felt good until the LE wore off. Has

anyone

>else tried the LE and whey together? Maybe Carol would have some

speculation

>as to why the whey some times makes you feel sick.

>

>Mike

>

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[Guest guest]

Where and how does one get LE ?

Re: Re: Whey

>

> What is LE?

>

> Regards, . >>

>

>Sorry, I should have said Licorice Extract (LE). The immediate benefit

that I

>am getting from ImmunoPro (immediate being within an hour) is similar to

the

>benefit that you get the first time or two that you take LE. It activates

>whatever

>cortisol is circulating in your body and kind of gives you a runner's high

>feeling.

>

>Mike

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[Guest guest]

i take the needs flora 14 with the immunopro and have seen an

incredible response. The wellness counsellor at NEEDS.com recommended

it and i couldnt agree more with her. The flora 14 seems to increase

the absorption. Has anyone else heard of using probiotics with whey?

ny

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/14/2000 6:38:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,

johnnytea@... writes:

<<

i take the needs flora 14 with the immunopro and have seen an

incredible response. The wellness counsellor at NEEDS.com recommended

it and i couldnt agree more with her. The flora 14 seems to increase

the absorption. Has anyone else heard of using probiotics with whey?

ny

>>

Hi ny! Did you try the immunopro on it's own first though, so you know

it is the combo and not just the immunopro or just the flora 14? I am a few

days into immunopro and having great results (less flu like symptoms, more

energy). Also, how do you time the immunopro and the flora 14? Do you take

them at the same time? Thanks!

[Guest guest]

also wanted to add that I am only taking 3/4 teaspoon (less than one gram) of

immunopro at this point, and I am getting basically the same results, maybe

even better, as I had been getting with 20 grams of imuplus.

[Guest guest]

What results are you getting specifically ?

Re: Re: Whey

>From: Inthepresent@...

>

>also wanted to add that I am only taking 3/4 teaspoon (less than one gram)

of

>immunopro at this point, and I am getting basically the same results, maybe

>even better, as I had been getting with 20 grams of imuplus.

>

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In a message dated 3/19/00 12:56:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,

onelist writes:

<< Subject: Re: Re: Reaction to ImmunoPro - Bekah

Doe Anybody ACTUALLY feel GOOD in IMMUPRO >>

Yes, I was an immediate positive responder, like it increased intracellular

glutathione immediately. Keenan told me that about 50% of

people have an immediate positive response.

Mike

[Guest guest]

By " positive response " do you mean the stated herxing ? Feeling More tired /

swollen glands etc etc or

Actually Feeling BeTTER - Less Tired, MORE energy etc

Re: Re: Reaction to ImmunoPro - Bekah

>

> Doe Anybody ACTUALLY feel GOOD in IMMUPRO >>

>

>Yes, I was an immediate positive responder, like it increased intracellular

>glutathione immediately. Keenan told me that about 50% of

>people have an immediate positive response.

>

>Mike

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