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You are on the right track. I hope we can help.

First off, I did three liver/gallbladder cleanses and got nothing out and

felt terrible!

They say, if you have really large and/or lodged stones even a cleanse will

not get them out. Also, it is important to do a parasite cleanse, prior to a

liver/gallbladder cleanse.......you can not remove stones with living

parasites.

However, one great way to break down stones is to drink as much apple

juice/apple cider as possible. In the morning only eat fresh fruits and

vegetables and as much juice as possible. Stop eating at round 2 and proceed

with the cleanse.

If no one posts the steps of the cleanse, email me personally.

Apple juice/cider is the key to breaking down bigger stones.

It works!!!!

After an all day drinking slurge I passed a bunch of stones.

Good luck.

Jomma

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Hello teri. If you will look to the bottom of any post, you will see a

couple of sites listed. laura

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We would so appreciate any answers to the messages we have been

posting the last few days as we have to make a decision as to where to

go, and personal experience goes a long way in making this kind of

choice. We have to make the choice pretty quickly as we want to get

going on treating Adam, so any help we would really, really

appreciate! Thank you, and Adam

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> We would so appreciate any answers to the messages we have been

> posting the last few days as we have to make a decision as to where

to

> go, and personal experience goes a long way in making this kind of

> choice. We have to make the choice pretty quickly as we want to get

> going on treating Adam, so any help we would really, really

> appreciate! Thank you, and Adam

Hi and Adam

I wish I had more information for you, but it appears I know about

what you do. My understanding is he DOC band is only offered through

Calgary and Edmonton and Ottawa and Toronto deal with the helmet. I

am at a total loss as far as cost and coverage. I know my own

benefits cover the orthotics but not the travel, stay, etc. Sorry I

can't be of more assistance, but when I know more I'll write.

and Spencer

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Dear Leonard,

this reminds me of something I had in my twenties. It was caused by

acid

washing up into the lower part of the oesophagus, so it wasn't like a sore

throat but made

it very painful for me to swallow food. The doctor gave me antibiotics for this.

I try not

to take them now unless I absolutely have to because of the Candida explosion I

always

get. (Always take Acidophilus tablets with antibiotics). But, as your doctor is

away you

could try Echinacea from the healthfood store, it is a natural immune booster,

so if it is

some sort of infection or similar it will help your immune system to fight it

off. Also,

it would be a good idea to see your doctor when he gets back, just to check it

isn't

anything more serious. Also, as Tom says drink plenty of water.

Jane.

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From: butch craun [mailto:pwcp42a@...]

Sent: 15 August 2001 03:12

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Subject: Help

I've been on actigall and a low fat diet for a year

now and while I've noticed some improvement in the

last couple of weeks I've had trouble swallowing. My

reqular Doctor is on vacation. Does anyone have any

ideas about how serious this could be? Leonard

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Dear Leonard,

sorry, I forgot to mention in my first post to get a good antacid as

well. I

used to use Gaviscon, but I don't know if you can get that where you are. This

is only

short term help to keep you going until your doctor gets back. If it turns out

to be what

I had you may need to tweak your diet or add something to keep the acidity

levels in your

stomach down. Your doctor will know what's best though.

Jane.

-----Original Message-----

From: butch craun [mailto:pwcp42a@...]

Sent: 15 August 2001 03:12

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Subject: Help

I've been on actigall and a low fat diet for a year

now and while I've noticed some improvement in the

last couple of weeks I've had trouble swallowing. My

reqular Doctor is on vacation. Does anyone have any

ideas about how serious this could be? Leonard

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>I've been on actigall and a low fat diet for a year

>now and while I've noticed some improvement in the

>last couple of weeks I've had trouble swallowing. My

>reqular Doctor is on vacation. Does anyone have any

>ideas about how serious this could be? Leonard<<

Trouble swallowing is a common symptom of acid reflux problems. It was the

symptom that made my sister get hers diagnosed. Your doctor will probably

give you a prescription antacid.

Debra

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At 09:24 15.08.2001 -0400, you wrote:

>>last couple of weeks I've had trouble swallowing.

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>Trouble swallowing is a common symptom of acid reflux problems.

DRINK MORE CLEAN WATER!

Drink more OIL.

Try water cure.

Mix olive oil with lemon juice and drink it every day.

Trouble swallowing is a common symptom caused by water and/or oil deficiency!

Also, take care whar you eat. Certain foods/combinations of foods are bad.

Avoid eating bread.

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Agnes,

You say we need to drink the olive oil and lemon juice everyday? I thought it was only for occassional gb flushes. Are you talking a smaller amount than the flush amount (1/2 cup oil & 1/2 cup juice)? If so, how much should we take everyday?

-Mark

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At 09:24 15.08.2001 -0400, you wrote:>>last couple of weeks I've had trouble swallowing. >>Trouble swallowing is a common symptom of acid reflux problems.DRINK MORE CLEAN WATER!Drink more OIL.Try water cure.Mix olive oil with lemon juice and drink it every day.Trouble swallowing is a common symptom caused by water and/or oil deficiency!Also, take care whar you eat. Certain foods/combinations of foods are bad.Avoid eating bread.AgnesLearn more from our experience, more then 200 liver flush stories:http:///messages/gallstones-testimonialsLiver Cleanse Recipe: http://www.CureZone.com/cleanse/liver/ Web Sites for more information:http://CureZone.com/gallstones/http://www.liverdoctor.com/ http://www.sensiblehealth.com/List Unsubscribe: gallstones-unsubscribe Post message: gallstones Group page: gallstones Group Archives: http:///messages/gallstonesYou are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the Gallstones group on 's groups. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! Have a nice day !

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You may be experiencing the Herxheimer Reaction. Do a search for it and you

will find some information. It is common to get this when killing off

organisms. I also am experiencing the Herxheimer from killing off yeast and

citrobacter. laura

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No need to feel stupid about any question, but it seems you are describing your hip joint. It is a major joint affected by RA. I hope that helps you describe it to your doctor.

From: "neiceetn"

Reply-Rheumatoid Arthritis Rheumatoid Arthritis Subject: help Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 04:34:44 -0000

I know this is a stupid question, but does anyone know what the joint is called that is between your thigh bone on top where it meets your pelvic area? I have this most HORRIBLE pain and it hurts so bad to try to walk after sitting. It has been gradually getting worse, and I tried to reach my rheumy today but he wasn't in, and I had no idea how to desribe the location I am hurting in. Does anyone else have ra in this same location, and if so, what can one do to help the pain of that area. I can't lay around forever, but laying is the only position to where it seems to feel tolerable. Sitting seems to "aggrevate" it. Please help!

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NOT a stupid question!!!!!! Both of mine hurt too!!!!!! It IS horrible as

you describe!!!!!!! Tell your doctor!

Carla

-----Original Message-----

From: neiceetn [mailto:Randydenis@...]

Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:35 AM

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Subject: help

I know this is a stupid question, but does anyone know what the joint

is called that is between your thigh bone on top where it meets your

pelvic area? I have this most HORRIBLE pain and it hurts so bad to

try to walk after sitting. It has been gradually getting worse, and

I tried to reach my rheumy today but he wasn't in, and I had no idea

how to desribe the location I am hurting in. Does anyone else have

ra in this same location, and if so, what can one do to help the pain

of that area. I can't lay around forever, but laying is the only

position to where it seems to feel tolerable. Sitting seems

to " aggrevate " it. Please help!

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If it is where mine hurts, it is terrible. Mine hurts right in

front about level with top of pubic hair(sorry don't know how else

to describe it). I have to sleep with a pillow between my knees or

the pain is excrutiating when I roll onto my back. Does yours ever

feel like that area pops and if it does is very painful? Mine hurts

to walk and I have to be very careful going down stairs because if

it pops I can't put any weight on it and I might fall. It got

better after I started taking Vioxx but has not disappeared. Mine

also hurts on the outside of the hip area. Left leg a lot worse

than right. Let us know what your rheumy says. I don't care too

much for mine but I think I'm stuck with him because of insurance

issues. No other in area.

> I know this is a stupid question, but does anyone know what the

joint

> is called that is between your thigh bone on top where it meets

your

> pelvic area? I have this most HORRIBLE pain and it hurts so bad

to

> try to walk after sitting. It has been gradually getting worse,

and

> I tried to reach my rheumy today but he wasn't in, and I had no

idea

> how to desribe the location I am hurting in. Does anyone else

have

> ra in this same location, and if so, what can one do to help the

pain

> of that area. I can't lay around forever, but laying is the only

> position to where it seems to feel tolerable. Sitting seems

> to " aggrevate " it. Please help!

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Sure, It's your hip. This is where mine started hurting. Like a BAD pinch. I had to crawl around the house. Then I had it replaced. OHHHH how much better I feel.

Donna

I know this is a stupid question, but does anyone know what the joint is called that is between your thigh bone on top where it meets your pelvic area? I have this most HORRIBLE pain and it hurts so bad to try to walk after sitting. It has been gradually getting worse, and I tried to reach my rheumy today but he wasn't in, and I had no idea how to desribe the location I am hurting in. Does anyone else have ra in this same location, and if so, what can one do to help the pain of that area. I can't lay around forever, but laying is the only position to where it seems to feel tolerable. Sitting seems to "aggrevate" it. Please help!

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Yep, that's it. And when it gets bad enough, the pillow only works for about an hour before you wake up and have to move.

----- Original Message ----- From: kmoore1020

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Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 9:41 AM

Subject: Re: help

If it is where mine hurts, it is terrible. Mine hurts right in front about level with top of pubic hair(sorry don't know how else to describe it). I have to sleep with a pillow between my knees or the pain is excrutiating when I roll onto my back. Does yours ever feel like that area pops and if it does is very painful? Mine hurts to walk and I have to be very careful going down stairs because if it pops I can't put any weight on it and I might fall. It got better after I started taking Vioxx but has not disappeared. Mine also hurts on the outside of the hip area. Left leg a lot worse than right. Let us know what your rheumy says. I don't care too much for mine but I think I'm stuck with him because of insurance issues. No other in area.> I know this is a stupid question, but does anyone know what the joint > is called that is between your thigh bone on top where it meets your > pelvic area? I have this most HORRIBLE pain and it hurts so bad to > try to walk after sitting. It has been gradually getting worse, and > I tried to reach my rheumy today but he wasn't in, and I had no idea > how to desribe the location I am hurting in. Does anyone else have > ra in this same location, and if so, what can one do to help the pain > of that area. I can't lay around forever, but laying is the only > position to where it seems to feel tolerable. Sitting seems > to "aggrevate" it. Please help!

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Unforately it sounds like hip jpint pain to me...

I used to get excruciating pain in exactly the same location until i got my hip

joint replaced...

Best thing to do is rest

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If it is where mine hurts, it is terrible. Mine hurts right in

front about level with top of pubic hair(sorry don't know how else

to describe it). I have to sleep with a pillow between my knees or

the pain is excrutiating when I roll onto my back. Does yours ever

feel like that area pops and if it does is very painful? Mine hurts

to walk and I have to be very careful going down stairs because if

it pops I can't put any weight on it and I might fall. It got

better after I started taking Vioxx but has not disappeared. Mine

also hurts on the outside of the hip area. Left leg a lot worse

than right. Let us know what your rheumy says. I don't care too

much for mine but I think I'm stuck with him because of insurance

issues. No other in area.

> I know this is a stupid question, but does anyone know what the

joint

> is called that is between your thigh bone on top where it meets

your

> pelvic area? I have this most HORRIBLE pain and it hurts so bad

to

> try to walk after sitting. It has been gradually getting worse,

and

> I tried to reach my rheumy today but he wasn't in, and I had no

idea

> how to desribe the location I am hurting in. Does anyone else

have

> ra in this same location, and if so, what can one do to help the

pain

> of that area. I can't lay around forever, but laying is the only

> position to where it seems to feel tolerable. Sitting seems

> to " aggrevate " it. Please help!

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Chris:

I would go see another rheumatologist. If you don't feel as though your doctors are helping and/or unresponsive to your needs, you need to move on. RA can cause permanent damage unless it's stopped. And just because you don't have an RA factor doesn't mean you don't have RA. GEtting a DX, getting on the right drugs can take a long time. You owe it to yourself and your family to try and find the right kind of help for yourself.

It is very discouraging and tiring to be in constant pain as we all know here. Fatigue is a large part of RA. Even if you don't have RA, you need to be able to look forward to finding a way to get better.

Best of luck to you.

gloria

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I agree with Gloria about a different rheumatologist. Also doctors often give Prednisone for at least a short course to determine how the patient responds. If Prednisone help the symptoms appreciably it is likely to be inflammatory and if Prednisone does nothing your problems are likely to be something else. The SED rate indicates inflammation so Prednisone might help. However, if it is RA you need to be on a DMARD (disease-modifying anti-rheumatic drug) to that you don't get permantent joint damage. The sooner you start a DMARD the less likely permanent damage will occur. Good luck, God bless, and keep us posted.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:15 PM

Subject: help

Hello. I'm new here and hope I can get some info.I have been seeing an ortho doc for about 7 years for pain in my hands and wrists. He has hinted at RA, but won't confirm the dx. I have seen a rheumy, who did nothing for me but slap me on some celebrex and that's it. I have basically been dealing with the daily aches and pains up until the last 6 months or so. My pain is mainly right sided (knee,ankle) severe in my wrist. Ortho doc has done an MRI which showed a lot of fluid between all the bones in my wrist. My sed rate was elevated (68) but the rheumatiod factor is still negative. I am at a breaking point. I am only 34, have two children, a great job, and in otherwise great health. I have always been a very upbeat, active person, but I have been VERY down, and VERY tired. I don't know what to do now. I have another appointment this Friday with the ortho doc (he did the same blood tests again.). If anyone has any advise I could really use it. Thank you so much.Chris

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Have you tried an anti-inflammatory yet?? If there is inflammation,

maybe that would help. I took Lodine for a while and it helped me.

Good luck,

Kay

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From: " " <scoriley@...>

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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:15 PM

Subject: help

> Hello. I'm new here and hope I can get some info.

> I have been seeing an ortho doc for about 7 years for pain in my

> hands and wrists. He has hinted at RA, but won't confirm the dx. I

> have seen a rheumy, who did nothing for me but slap me on some

> celebrex and that's it. I have basically been dealing with the daily

> aches and pains up until the last 6 months or so. My pain is mainly

> right sided (knee,ankle) severe in my wrist. Ortho doc has done an

> MRI which showed a lot of fluid between all the bones in my wrist. My

> sed rate was elevated (68) but the rheumatiod factor is still

> negative.

> I am at a breaking point. I am only 34, have two children, a great

> job, and in otherwise great health. I have always been a very upbeat,

> active person, but I have been VERY down, and VERY tired. I don't

> know what to do now. I have another appointment this Friday with the

> ortho doc (he did the same blood tests again.). If anyone has any

> advise I could really use it.

> Thank you so much.

> Chris

>

>

>

>

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Hi Chris:

RA can be a very destructive disease...if caught in its earlier stages

the joint damage can be slowed down and at times, if lucky, stopped..:

)

I would suggest a new rheumy for you...I took the gamut of anti

inflammatories, still take Celebrex twice a day, yet am also on

methotrexate which is a DMARD as grandapvan had mentioned...maybe also

some xrays of your wrist, and the other places you had mentioned might

also be in order as well???

Yes, 34 is a very young age at which to get this disease..I got it at

40 and have been battling its ups n' downs for 5 yrs..but you, you

will have good and bad days...

The rheumy might wish to check into the other autoimmune diseases such

as lupus, Sjogrens and such..ask for what is called a " Rheumatoid

panel " blood test..

Good luck on this one...and keep us posted..kay? :)

God bless

--- In Rheumatoid Arthritis , " " <scoriley@w...>

wrote:

> Hello. I'm new here and hope I can get some info.

> I have been seeing an ortho doc for about 7 years for pain in my

> hands and wrists. He has hinted at RA, but won't confirm the dx. I

> have seen a rheumy, who did nothing for me but slap me on some

> celebrex and that's it. I have basically been dealing with the daily

> aches and pains up until the last 6 months or so. My pain is mainly

> right sided (knee,ankle) severe in my wrist. Ortho doc has done an

> MRI which showed a lot of fluid between all the bones in my wrist.

My

> sed rate was elevated (68) but the rheumatiod factor is still

> negative.

> I am at a breaking point. I am only 34, have two children, a great

> job, and in otherwise great health. I have always been a very

upbeat,

> active person, but I have been VERY down, and VERY tired. I don't

> know what to do now. I have another appointment this Friday with the

> ortho doc (he did the same blood tests again.). If anyone has any

> advise I could really use it.

> Thank you so much.

> Chris

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Right now I have an icepack strapped around my waist with a belt and I'm

sitting on three more. I'm leaving no stoned unturned

And no butt with abandament issues either..LOL

Have you tried the cold then hot bath with epsom salts? What about a warm

castor oil pack then cold again? Maybe try alternating. When taking the

hot bath, try drinking camomile tea..really get things heated up and also

relaxed at the same time.

If you can't get to a chiropractor, call in a mesage person...although painful

at the time, it helps later to get a deep muscle message. Most of the mesage

people will come to your house. That's if money is not an issue.

Hope you feel better very soon.

Anne

When in pain, I will try anything except medication.

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Are you juicing or eating raw right now?

I haven't been juicing since I got this sciatica. Just drinking bottled apple juice (no sugar) and lots of RO water...the only kind I drink. I have probably had a gallon of water since last night.

I haven't been eating raw. I had a MorningStar Farm burger today. I have 5 lbs. of organic carrots in the fridge and I'm going to juice that up today. Maybe throw some organic celery and garlic in it too. I'm running a little low on the veggies I have on hand.

Did you try the hot/cold...at least 2 times a day or 3 or 4....

Today I took a hot shower (aimed on my lower back), then got out and sat on the ice packs. I find if I ONLY do hot, it gets worse after awhile. So, yes, I'm doing hot and cold, but I have to admit, it's mostly cold therapy (ice). Taking a shower is the only way I know how to get that really hot water directly on it but it's so inconvenient to shower 3+ times a day. But I just might do it!!!!! What the heck! I really can't do much else so I may as well.

Gloria

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Hi Sherri,

My BP tends to elevate during pain and my Dr is not concerned either, I would try to research foods and such to see what you can eat to help, just a thought, my BP is back to normal right now as I have really been doing much better.

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From: scorn720

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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 8:00 AM

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i have had high blood pressher for about 6 weeks now and the doctor don't seem to conserned it has me a little conserned i am on imuran plaqunial remacade predsone any ideas on how to lower it thanks sherrie

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Hi Sherrie,

One of the reasons I had to get off of Prednisone is that my blood pressure kept rising. Once I got off of it, my blood pressure went down to its normal range. Of course, I know that that's easier said than done, but you should try.

Warrenscorn720 <scorn720@...> wrote:

i have had high blood pressher for about 6 weeks now and the doctor don't seem to conserned it has me a little conserned i am on imuran plaqunial remacade predsone any ideas on how to lower it thanks sherrie

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