Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Yes but they are giving all that frickin' money to the bottomless pit of Avondale House-- which to my knowledge has never helped a SINGLE person reach independent functioning. They are the old model " oh woe is me. my child has been given the life sentence of autism. please give me money to care for a lifetime of care for my child who can't even learn to read because we don't send our fricking teachers to any decent trainings!!!!! " sorry, avondale house is a real, huge sore point with me. they have a full time development director who represents autism as a hopeless life sentence to the well heeled of autism and sucks down and ENORMOUS amount of money for very ineffective programming. autism the texans have a couple funds set up for autism projects: http://www.easterseals.com/site/PageServer?pagename=ntlc8_autism_houstonta ckles_landingpage also the singer of the national anthem at fenway (the boston red sox stadium) was autistic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2007 Report Share Posted September 11, 2007 Yes but they are giving all that frickin' money to the bottomless pit of Avondale House-- which to my knowledge has never helped a SINGLE person reach independent functioning. They are the old model " oh woe is me. my child has been given the life sentence of autism. please give me money to care for a lifetime of care for my child who can't even learn to read because we don't send our fricking teachers to any decent trainings!!!!! " sorry, avondale house is a real, huge sore point with me. they have a full time development director who represents autism as a hopeless life sentence to the well heeled of autism and sucks down and ENORMOUS amount of money for very ineffective programming. autism the texans have a couple funds set up for autism projects: http://www.easterseals.com/site/PageServer?pagename=ntlc8_autism_houstonta ckles_landingpage also the singer of the national anthem at fenway (the boston red sox stadium) was autistic: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Well one is in my home and he’s 2. Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. " A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " MEDICINE-NO.-COM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 I have a soon to be 7-yr-old son who experienced early on-set autism. I think you will have a harder time finding unvaccinated children with regressive autism.... Anita dancebaron3 <Bob@...> wrote: " A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " MEDICINE-NO.COM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 My soon to be 7-yr-old son is unvaccinated; I forgot to clarify that in my description of him. Anita dancebaron3 <Bob@...> wrote: " A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " MEDICINE-NO.COM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 What is the difference between early on-set and regressive? If it is too much to explain, can you lead to me to a good web site? Thanks. Vida " A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of > the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " > MEDICINE-NO.COM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Early on-set is when the child is afflicted very early and fails to acheive many developmental milestones like making eye contact, babbling and cooing, imaginative play, not participating in interactive games like clapping hands is response to mom clapping (they lack many immitation skills), and one of the biggest red flags of all - not pointing. Roughly 50 % don't develop normal language either. On the other hand, many children regress into autism after developing skills like the ones mentioned above that they quickly begin to lose once the downward spiral of autism starts. This typically happens between 15 and 20 months after they get the MMR. This is not true for all cases, but certainly true for too many. Hope I explained it alright.........Anita Vida Khan <vidamarino@...> wrote: What is the difference between early on-set and regressive? If it is too much to explain, can you lead to me to a good web site? Thanks. Vida " A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of > the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " > MEDICINE-NO.COM > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 there are VERY FEW unvaccinated with autism................... and nearly NONE with 'regressive autism' (where most cases also have GI involvement) These labels really need to be changed........... if unvaccinated often history of: 1. antibiotics to mom during pregnancy or while breastfeeding 2. antibiotics to infant 3. use of tylenol 4. amalgams in mom's mouth 5. mom vaccinated with rubella vaccine at some point before conception 6. rhogam shot given while pregnant (mercury in that) 7. strong emotional event for mom during pregnancy to name a few Sheri > " A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of >the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " >MEDICINE-NO.-COM > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: >1/9/2008 10:16 AM > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: >1/9/2008 10:16 AM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 At 11:03 PM 1/10/2008 -0000, you wrote: >What is the difference between early on-set and regressive? If it is >too much to explain, can you lead to me to a good web site? Thanks. >Vida It is just that - those that have been 'different' since birth (of course if got hep b vax that could be the cause). But if didn't get hep b vax and still different from birth - early onset. But if developing normally and then regressed - that is regressive. Sheri > > " A specter is haunting the medical >and journalism establishments of >> the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " >> MEDICINE-NO.COM >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 At 11:03 PM 1/10/2008 -0000, you wrote: >What is the difference between early on-set and regressive? If it is >too much to explain, can you lead to me to a good web site? Thanks. >Vida > See what I have written already and http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Scandals/feb_15_02/regressive_autism.htm > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account Voicemail US 530-740-0561 Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email January 9 & 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 ’s is regressive but not tied to the MMR Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ___ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 What skills did develop and lose and at what age did you see him begin to slip away?.......Anita Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> wrote: ’s is regressive but not tied to the MMR Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. ___ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: 1/9/2008 10:16 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 At 07:36 PM 1/10/2008 -0600, you wrote: >’s is regressive but not tied to the MMR Tell me more - I know you have been writing about him the last few months but I have been traveling and haven't had time to read much Tell me his whole history and your history with him - pregnancy, delivery, rhgam, antibiotics, his development, etc Regression isn't always with MMR Sheri > > > >Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian >(7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 >Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long >enough to make them all yourself. > > >___ > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: >1/9/2008 10:16 AM > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: >1/9/2008 10:16 AM > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 Thanks for the responses. I just want to try my best to prevent it from happening to my son. " A specter is haunting the medical > and journalism establishments of > > the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " > > MEDICINE-NO.COM > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 He used to respond to his name and to prompts, like “close the door”, “play trains?”, he used to interact more w/ the sibs and he’d interact more w/ us, he’d initiate play.. not sure when he started to slip away, it was not overnight and it’s mostly been a “oh yeah, he used to do X” He used to say “mama” with deliberation, while looking at me and used to say “dada” He used to be a ham for the camera too and we have several baby pictures where he’s looking at the camera. Not so much anymore. He will give a face view and not just turn away. Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. _._,___ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2008 Report Share Posted January 10, 2008 if unvaccinated often history of: 1. antibiotics to mom during pregnancy or while breastfeeding nope—oh wait. A round of ABX when he was 2 mos old for an outer ear infection 2. antibiotics to infant once at 13 months after his seizure, labeled febrile 3. use of Tylenol—once at 13 months for the fever 4. amalgams in mom's mouth—yep have these 5. mom vaccinated with rubella vaccine at some point before conception--nope 6. rhogam shot given while pregnant (mercury in that)--yep 7. strong emotional event for mom during pregnancy—well yep. Conceived just 6 months after Christian died I’m not sure really what the trigger was. I know ASD runs in dh’s family. His mom and grandma have asperger’s, his nephew has asperger’s, our daughter has asperger’s. Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Wow, Venita. You had your fair share of stuff going on. Add that to a genetic predisposition and the risk goes up up up. There was major antibiotic abuse with my son at birth and for two months after. He had a steady diet if abx for the first two months of his life not to mention a few early " shocks " at the hands of medical workers..........Anita Venita Garner <nitagarner@...> wrote: if unvaccinated often history of: 1. antibiotics to mom during pregnancy or while breastfeeding nope—oh wait. A round of ABX when he was 2 mos old for an outer ear infection 2. antibiotics to infant once at 13 months after his seizure, labeled febrile 3. use of Tylenol—once at 13 months for the fever 4. amalgams in mom's mouth—yep have these 5. mom vaccinated with rubella vaccine at some point before conception--nope 6. rhogam shot given while pregnant (mercury in that)--yep 7. strong emotional event for mom during pregnancy—well yep. Conceived just 6 months after Christian died I’m not sure really what the trigger was. I know ASD runs in dh’s family. His mom and grandma have asperger’s, his nephew has asperger’s, our daughter has asperger’s. Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 And how old is your little guy?...............Anita Vida Khan <vidamarino@...> wrote: Thanks for the responses. I just want to try my best to prevent it from happening to my son. " A specter is haunting the medical > and journalism establishments of > > the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " > > MEDICINE-NO.COM > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 The obnoxious thing is I asked the ear doctor if the antibx were safe for me w/ so young a baby and nursing him.. of course he said sure. He didn’t get them directly injected but through the blender.. I don’t know the one real cause.. I think it’s like everything else.. a conglomeration. Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. __ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Oh Sherri...I am freaked out now by this list. 1. They gave me antibiotics during my pregnancy..bacterial infection 2. Gave me Diflucan after for a yeast infection/ I am breastfeeding 3. I had an EXTREMELY stressful legal situation during my pregnancy 4. I had the rhogham shot 5. I used tylenol and have given it to my daughter as she is teething She did not have hep b or any vaccines at all. What should I do at this point?? She did have gentian violet too. ARRGGHHH I also took a lot painkillers for about 3-4 weeks daily because of my delivery. She ended up with reflux and has possible food allergies. I am so scared now. HELP > > there are VERY FEW unvaccinated with autism................... > and nearly NONE with 'regressive autism' (where most cases also have GI > involvement) > These labels really need to be changed........... > > if unvaccinated often history of: > 1. antibiotics to mom during pregnancy or while breastfeeding > 2. antibiotics to infant > 3. use of tylenol > 4. amalgams in mom's mouth > 5. mom vaccinated with rubella vaccine at some point before conception > 6. rhogam shot given while pregnant (mercury in that) > 7. strong emotional event for mom during pregnancy > > to name a few > Sheri > > > " A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of > >the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " > >MEDICINE-NO.-COM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: > >1/9/2008 10:16 AM > > > > > > > >No virus found in this outgoing message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: > >1/9/2008 10:16 AM > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 I can’t help w/ much but to say skip the Tylenol for teething. Boiron makes a wonderful teething drops stuff called “camilia drops”. You can go to google or search and find the best price. I use them all the time and not for just teething! Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Do some searches on the Amish people (who do not vaccinate)and rates of autism. There are 40,000 Amish in Lancaster Co, PA and I believe the article I saw said were are 3 documented cases of autism and two of those children lived outside of the amish while babies. Interesting...nowhere near the 1:150 that we hear about everywhere else. Not that vaccines are the only cause of autism but the Amish also eat their own fresh nonprocessed foods and have little or no exposure to the toxins that we as a society are exposed to. le > > " A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments of > the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " > MEDICINE-NO.COM > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Oh Stacey, I'm so sorry - don't want to scare anyone. None of these are a 'given' of autism following...............everyone is an individual and some have stronger constitutions than others boys are more at risk also. Remind me how old she is now. Where do you live? Better to use homeopathy with teething - I will send some info. Also did doctors give drugs for the reflux? Also can be helped with homeopathy. Let me know Sheri At 03:22 PM 1/11/2008 -0000, you wrote: > >Oh Sherri...I am freaked out now by this list. > >1. They gave me antibiotics during my pregnancy..bacterial infection >2. Gave me Diflucan after for a yeast infection/ I am breastfeeding >3. I had an EXTREMELY stressful legal situation during my pregnancy >4. I had the rhogham shot >5. I used tylenol and have given it to my daughter as she is teething > >She did not have hep b or any vaccines at all. What should I do at >this point?? She did have gentian violet too. ARRGGHHH I also took a >lot painkillers for about 3-4 weeks daily because of my delivery. She >ended up with reflux and has possible food allergies. I am so scared >now. HELP > > > >> >> there are VERY FEW unvaccinated with autism................... >> and nearly NONE with 'regressive autism' (where most cases also >have GI >> involvement) >> These labels really need to be changed........... >> >> if unvaccinated often history of: >> 1. antibiotics to mom during pregnancy or while breastfeeding >> 2. antibiotics to infant >> 3. use of tylenol >> 4. amalgams in mom's mouth >> 5. mom vaccinated with rubella vaccine at some point before >conception >> 6. rhogam shot given while pregnant (mercury in that) >> 7. strong emotional event for mom during pregnancy >> >> to name a few >> Sheri >> >> > " A specter is haunting the medical and journalism establishments >of >> >the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with autism? " >> >MEDICINE-NO.-COM >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >No virus found in this incoming message. >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: >> >1/9/2008 10:16 AM >> > >> > >> > >> >No virus found in this outgoing message. >> >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1216 - Release Date: >> >1/9/2008 10:16 AM >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 My son, Rasheed, is almost 9 months! " A specter is haunting the medical > > and journalism establishments of > > > the United States: Where are the unvaccinated people with > autism? " > > > MEDICINE-NO.COM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Don’t be freaked out… just b/c it happened, d/n mean your child w/b autistic. All of mine have had vita K, rhogam, some have had abx themselves,.. my first 4 were vaxxed.. it just depends on the child. Nita, Mom to: 14, Jon 13, 10, 8, 6, Christian (7/16/03 to 8/22/04), 2 and Isaac due Feb. 08 Learn from the mistakes of others. Trust me... you can't live long enough to make them all yourself. >Oh Sherri...I am freaked out now by this list. _._,___ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.0/1218 - Release Date: 1/10/2008 1:32 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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