Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

June 26, 2008

What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding, wood....

When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely made a

difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular things you

can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking. You can ground

aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower emfs. Brick and stone

absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more likely I reacted to the wiring

in brick and stone houses. I am looking forward to putting my wiring into

insulated conduits for this reason in my new house (it is brick). The home is

completely peaceful, tho, inside with most of my circuits off and I don't

require alot of electric running all the time.

I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in my

area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does anyone

know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it isn't the same

as for an aluminum house.

Diane

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

groups (DOT) com

Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave

> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell

> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It

> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only

need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

June 26, 2008

>After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my bedroom

from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar. Yes they are diminished on the

meters, but after painting the room with Copper paint (grounded) and putting two

different layers of fabric over the windows, I feel worse in their and

consequently have made the room worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Yes, that can happen. Remember, shielding usually means using reflective

materials. If your shield leaks, then radiation gets in and is more or less

trapped inside, bouncing around until it is finally absorbed by something... and

that something might be you.

Using a layer of RF absorber, on the inide of the shield, can elimated this

phenomenon. So you end up with the best of both worlds: lower readings on the

meter because less radiation is coming in, plus any tiny bit that does leak in

gets absorbed by something other than your body.

Emil

June 26, 2008

Sorry, Loni, I see your house is frame and stucco in a later email. So many

fixes are super expensive. I can think of possible fixes for your situation but

they are very expensive--Hardee Plank siding and HR++ windows. Are you getting

emfs from only one direction? Would it be cost effective to do one wall of your

house? What do other people here think about this? This was a fix which was

suggested to me by an emf consultant I called when I was thinking of buying a

house (I didn't end up buying) last year.

How much land do you own on the offending side of your property? Can you grow

arborvitae there (or other fast growing evergreens) or are you in an area these

do not grow? I put a wall of 5ft ones on my current property last year--they are

now nearly 8ft tall. I went around to all the nurseries and home improvement

stores around this time of the year last year and these were very reasonable

because they were getting rid of what didn't sell. Arborvitae grow 3 to 4 ft a

season after established, and I personally find nothing that absorbs emfs as

well as evergreens.

Diane

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

groups (DOT) com

Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave

> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell

> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It

> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only

need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

June 26, 2008

The interesting question is, how much reduction of microwaves is enough to

make a real difference. With an Acousticom, Electrosmog detector or similar

simple instrument one can see that the main beam of microwaves travels in

straight lines - the signal is much stronger when a mast is directly visible

or there is a clear path through a window, and hiding behind a house or a

wall reduces it considerably. Yes, a small proportion of the waves can bend

round corners, but it seems to be only a few percent. Is that enough to

still cause problems? Depends on the person I guess.

For Sue, it was enough to put netting on walls which were exposed to our

neighbour's cordless phone and on one window which was in direct line of

sight from a mast, plus turning off the power at night and sleeping on a

foam mattress. That cut down her microwave, electric and magnetic field

exposures down a lot, though not 100%. She was able to sleep successfully

and this helped her regain her strength. We have since been fortunate

enough to move to a different area because my job changed, and carefully

selected a house where we couldn't measure any significant exposure. This

has worked well, apart from an MCS episode with a carpet!

Ian

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

McAfee

Sent: 26 June 2008 22:32

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Microwaves can travel around shielding like liquid.

You have to totally seal the room or it will leak and bounce around

inside.

Shielding can also resonate with the frequencies and cause a

detrimental effect in the room.

Earth grounding can pull frequencies into the room.

All doom and gloom? Are we totally fu..,ked?

After thousands of dollars, I have been unsuccessful in shielding my

bedroom from WiFi, TV towers, Cell Towers or Radar.

Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with

Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over

the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room

worse. I now sleep in another room of the house.

Now if I were in a really bad area like it seems you are, yes, some

shielding could help get the readings and hopefully the sensations

down.

I recommend moving.

Good luck.

I turn off the power at night and sleep on an organic foam mattress.

On Jun 26, 2008, at 5:20 PM, paulpjcaol (DOT) <mailto:paulpjc%40aol.com> com

wrote:

>

> In a message dated 6/26/2008 5:14:18 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

> loni326 (DOT) <mailto:loni326%40> com writes:

>

> Does anyone know about the roof? I have a concrete tile roof. The

> tiles are

> about an inch thick. Will the radiation get through them?

>

> I am getting a bid on these square screens to put up on the outside

> wall of

> the house where it is coming in the worse. Loni

>

> Depending on frequencies involved and other factors allowing for a

> certain

> amount of absorption microwave radiation will penetrate the tiles

> after all

> they have gaps where the grout is they will also have many interstices

> where

> the waves will find their way through.

>

June 26, 2008

Hi again, Loni,

I should have read ALL my emails before replying to your posts! lol You say you

are having problems with microwaves along one wall.... I said evergreens, Hardee

Plank siding, and HR++ windows help with emfs. I find they help some with

microwaves, too, but when I have researched, I find mu metal is the only real

fix for microwaves. Mu metal is prohibitively expensive and impractical for any

ESer to use. So for microwaves it is likely you will need to use layers of

various shielding and all the things so far suggested would be helpful.

My 2 cents,

Diane

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

groups (DOT) com

Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave

> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell

> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It

> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only

need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

June 26, 2008

Hi Diane, good to know your new house is working out well for you.

Stone and brick are insulators and poor conductors, so as you say they

absorb well and don't reflect, but also don't conduct to earth easily. We

very recently had a guy round to survey our house electrically. He showed

how, if we were sitting or lying (e.g. on the bed) near to a wall with

electric cables in, the electric field actually bent outwards so that it

could go the earth/ground through us, as we are " a bag of wet minerals " (how

unromantic!) andconduct rather well! So one could measure our body voltage

as being nearly zero in the grden, high near a wall with a cable, but then

low again if we turned the power off. Metal shielded conduits for cables,

as you mention, block the electric field from getting out and also give an

easy path to conduct it to earth. So if you can afford them, I can see now

why they are a really good idea!

As it isn't practical for us to knock down our walls and shield the cables,

he gave us an easier and cheaper solution; a metallised blanket which we

could put on the bed and link one end to the central heating radiators,

which have a good earth (grounding) via the metal pipes. This then provides

an easier route for the electric field to earth than going via our body. A

different idea from shielding; instead of blocking the electric fields, it

is diverting them. Unfortunately this trick doesn't work for magnetic

fields or microwaves!

Ian

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Evie

Sent: 26 June 2008 23:28

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

What kind of house did you buy, Loni? Brick, stone, aluminum siding,

wood.... When I was looking for a house, the outside of the house definitely

made a difference in what I felt inside and outside. There are particular

things you can do with the type of material used, which is why I am asking.

You can ground aluminum siding outside and that will help with cell tower

emfs. Brick and stone absorbs cell tower emfs, but I found it was more

likely I reacted to the wiring in brick and stone houses. I am looking

forward to putting my wiring into insulated conduits for this reason in my

new house (it is brick). The home is completely peaceful, tho, inside with

most of my circuits off and I don't require alot of electric running all the

time.

I don't know what a stone/brick house would be like in a high emf area; in

my area there are only 4 cell towers, 1 microwave, and 11 antennae. Does

anyone know of a way to ground stone and brick houses? I am assuming it

isn't the same as for an aluminum house.

Diane

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

groups (DOT) com

Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave

> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell

> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It

> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only

need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

June 26, 2008

Nothing is selling now & prices have fallen. My house would not be comptetive

either because it is not decorated due to my MCS. I am really screwed. I can't

stand it here at all. Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 2:34 PM

> I recommend moving.

Yes, that was my initial recommendation, but I think Loni

cannot afford that -- it can cost a lot of money to move.

Although it can also cost a lot of money to shield...

Marc

June 26, 2008

So if I tint all the windows you don't think that will help? Loni

From: Marc <marc@...>

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 2:54 PM

> Yes they are diminished on the meters, but after painting the room with

> Copper paint (grounded) and putting two different layers of fabric over

> the windows, I feel worse in their and consequently have made the room

> worse.

Yes, this is why I'd be reluctant to do anything that cannot be

" undone " easily. There is just too much risk of making the place

worse than it was already.

Marc

June 26, 2008

It is wood frame with stucco. Not good. Loni

From: Marc <marcufoseries (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

groups (DOT) com

Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 2:39 PM

> I thought it was emf but the reading was low. He tested the microwave

> radiation & it was sky high. I never knew. I have about 4 or 5 cell

> anntennas right out my back window at the high school my kids attend. It

> is what has been killing me in this house.

Are these cell towers all on the same side of the house? Perhaps you only

need to shield that one side of the house?

I take it that the Quantum Home did not help with this?

Marc

June 26, 2008

Do you mean your canopy?

From: prophit1970 <prophit1970@...>

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 9:26 PM

Loni,

I do live mostly in my tent; but because you shouldn't have to, this

article may inspire you to find an angle of attack.

From The Times

November 20, 2006

Health fears lead schools to dismantle wireless networks

# Radiation levels blamed for illnesses

# Teacher became too sick to work

http://www.timesonl ine.co.uk/ tol/life_ and_style/ education/ article642575.

ece

- in Philly

>

> Hi All, I need your help & direction:

>

> I had a Building Biologist come to my home to test due to my

electrical sensitivities. (Thank you Bob Grommes for the referral).

..

SNIP

..

> I could get better & get my life back if I could get them to move

these antennas.

>

> I have some pictures of me in this canopy. I am going to get letters

from my doctors to send to the superindendants.

>

> I would love to go around the neighborhood & find out who has had

medical problems but getting closer to the waves will be to dangerous

for me right now.

>

> Loni

June 26, 2008

So if I do the windows but leave the walls will that help or not?

>

> In a message dated 6/26/2008 5:14:18 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

> loni326 (DOT) com writes:

>

> Does anyone know about the roof? I have a concrete tile roof. The

> tiles are

> about an inch thick. Will the radiation get through them?

>

> I am getting a bid on these square screens to put up on the outside

> wall of

> the house where it is coming in the worse. Loni

>

> Depending on frequencies involved and other factors allowing for a

> certain

> amount of absorption microwave radiation will penetrate the tiles

> after all

> they have gaps where the grout is they will also have many interstices

> where

> the waves will find their way through.

>

June 26, 2008

I can't seal my whole house. I was going to do the windows with tint first &

then maybe the back wall of the house with that screening material. But the roof

would be open & front of the house. I just can't afford to do it all.

I am in so much pain here I can't stand it. I want to run but I don't have

anywhere to go.

I have kids. OMG, what do I do? Loni

>

> In a message dated 6/26/2008 5:14:18 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,

> loni326 (DOT) <mailto:loni326% 40> com writes:

>

> Does anyone know about the roof? I have a concrete tile roof. The

> tiles are

> about an inch thick. Will the radiation get through them?

>

> I am getting a bid on these square screens to put up on the outside

> wall of

> the house where it is coming in the worse. Loni

>

> Depending on frequencies involved and other factors allowing for a

> certain

> amount of absorption microwave radiation will penetrate the tiles

> after all

> they have gaps where the grout is they will also have many interstices

> where

> the waves will find their way through.

>

June 26, 2008

Emil,

Do you know if the window tint is good? What do you think about the screens.

Depending on cost I was going to do windows & maybe the back wall of the house.

I am hoping the cement tile on the roof will not let a lot in. I just don't know

what to do.

Loni

From: Less EMF Inc <lessemf@...>

Subject: Re: Home Biologists Report/Need Help & Direction

Date: Thursday, June 26, 2008, 3:54 PM