Re: prescr. drugs

September 8, 2008

I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced

in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of

epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their

cholesterol.. The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is

less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably,

we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be

medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly...

Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because their

doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their

cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use...

Frantz

From: aust4freng <werus@...>

Subject: prescr. drugs

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 8:29 AM

My husband's 90 year old cousin was told by one of her specialist

doctors the only reason she's still living and doing as well as she is

(still working part time) is because she didn't take prescr. drugs.

Marsha

September 8, 2008

Not to mention more heart attacks due to coQ 10 depletion, and more

strokes if they actually succeed in reducing cholesterol too low. Plus

depression, for which patients are usually prescribed an antidepressant.

I actually know a woman going this route. She also has some muscle

weakness due to the statin (heart is a muscle, egad!).

sol

Frantz Mathias wrote:

> I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced

in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of

epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their

cholesterol.. The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is

less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably,

we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be

medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly...

>

> Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because

their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their

cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use...

September 8, 2008

IMO, it is not " good faith " when a doc prescribes statin drugs. It is

failure to read the literature and amounts to medical malpractice.

If the drug pushers stated losing their licenses and being sent to

jail, we would see more docs doing real homework before prescribing

dangerous drugs.

Alobar

On 9/8/08, Frantz Mathias <frantzgm@...> wrote:

> I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced

in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of

epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their

cholesterol.. The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is

less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably,

we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be

medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly...

>

> Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because

their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their

cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use...

>

> Frantz

September 9, 2008

Alobar

I was trying to be nice... Also I meant the damages to the LIVER are well

documented...

Frantz

From: Alobar <Alobar@...>

Subject: Re: prescr. drugs

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 3:28 PM

IMO, it is not " good faith " when a doc prescribes statin drugs. It

is

failure to read the literature and amounts to medical malpractice.

If the drug pushers stated losing their licenses and being sent to

jail, we would see more docs doing real homework before prescribing

dangerous drugs.

Alobar

_

September 9, 2008

And can you imagine that they are giving these statin drugs

to our teenagers. It is an outrage and we have seen nothing

yet.

As more and more people learn the truth about drugs and

learn about natural ways to get well, the more the drug

companies will be trying to control everything. If CODEX

is put in place, people will get sicker and sicker and they

will have no choice but to go to the 'drug pushers' (doctors).

The pharmaceutical industry will not bow easily. If you

think health care is expensive now, imagine what it will be

then.

Helen

Re: prescr. drugs

IMO, it is not " good faith " when a doc prescribes statin drugs. It is

failure to read the literature and amounts to medical malpractice.

If the drug pushers stated losing their licenses and being sent to

jail, we would see more docs doing real homework before prescribing

dangerous drugs.

Alobar

On 9/8/08, Frantz Mathias <frantzgm (DOT) com> wrote:

> I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced

in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of

epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their

cholesterol. . The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is

less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably,

we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be

medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly...

>

> Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because

their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their

cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use...

>

> Frantz

September 9, 2008

Some people have also experience symptoms similar to

Alzheimers from being on statin drugs. The brain needs

cholestral and when statin drugs are used the brain does

not get the cholestral it needs.

One woman, in the winter, noticed tracks in the snow

around her house and thought someone must have tried

to enter her house. Upon further investigation, she

realized that the tracks were hers. She did not remember

going outside and had not remembered the several days

before that either.

The University of BC, where I live wrote an article in the

local paper saying they had done some studies on statins

and they warned everyone that the drugs produced

ailments worse than that which the statins were supposed

to " cure " .

Helen

Re: prescr. drugs

Not to mention more heart attacks due to coQ 10 depletion, and more

strokes if they actually succeed in reducing cholesterol too low. Plus

depression, for which patients are usually prescribed an antidepressant.

I actually know a woman going this route. She also has some muscle

weakness due to the statin (heart is a muscle, egad!).

sol

Frantz Mathias wrote:

> I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession as practiced

in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are facing a situation of

epidemic proportion with so many people taking Statin drugs to lower their

cholesterol. . The damages of Statin on the kidneys are well documented what is

less documented is their action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably,

we will see an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be

medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the elderly...

>

> Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming sicker because

their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing them statin to lower their

cholesterol when the statistical evidences would preclude their use...

September 9, 2008

Hellen

Don't forget that statens were originally marketed as anti-fungals and what you

may be experiencing is your body can't handle the load of dead fungus tussue.

Duke

From: helen/zhebee <zhebee@...>

Subject: Re: prescr. drugs

Coconut Oil

Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 8:05 AM

..

September 9, 2008

I believe it.

What is surprising is that people still tell me how

they are under a doctor's care. Basically, they

don't want to hear about natural ways to get well.

That is changing, however, and more and more

people are learning about supplements etc.

Helen

prescr. drugs

My husband's 90 year old cousin was told by one of her specialist

doctors the only reason she's still living and doing as well as she is

(still working part time) is because she didn't take prescr. drugs.

Marsha

September 9, 2008

I take issue with grouping all MDs into the " evil " category. I am under an

internist's care and she is working with me on thyroid and adrenal issues, among

others. She has improved my life greatly with both prescription drugs (Armour

thyroid) and supplements (she does not sell them, just strongly recommends them,

including prescription-strength fish oil, coconut oil, etc.,). She also

suggested I go to a rather low carb eating plan which has helped me

tremendously. Really, there are times when a physician's care is necessary and

life-saving. Yes there are over-prescribed medications and problems in the

medical industry. But grouping all MD's together seems a bit hysterical. I

once contracted a very serious infection. While I agree antibiotics are over

prescribed in the US, the antibiotics I took arguably saved my life. Just

because someone is under a doctor's care does not mean they are closed off to

alternative medicine. There is a balance that can be struck in my!

opinion.

Marie

On Tuesday, September 09, 2008, at 07:18AM, " helen/zhebee " <zhebee@...>

wrote:

>

>I believe it.

>

>What is surprising is that people still tell me how

>they are under a doctor's care. Basically, they

>don't want to hear about natural ways to get well.

>That is changing, however, and more and more

>people are learning about supplements etc.

>

>Helen

>

> prescr. drugs

>

>My husband's 90 year old cousin was told by one of her specialist

>doctors the only reason she's still living and doing as well as she is

>(still working part time) is because she didn't take prescr. drugs.

>

>Marsha

>

September 9, 2008

Hear hear Alobar!

Duncan

> > I know this is OT but it is appalling what the medical profession

as practiced in the USA at least is doing to our health. We are

facing a situation of epidemic proportion with so many people taking

Statin drugs to lower their cholesterol.. The damages of Statin on

the kidneys are well documented what is less documented is their

action ofn the kidneys... Very slowly but inelucatably, we will see

an increase in liver and kidney problems ... One that will be

medicated happilly through more drugs at greater cost to the

elderly...

> >

> > Sorry I had to vent, seeing healthy elderly epople becoming

sicker because their doctors, often in good faith, are presctibing

them statin to lower their cholesterol when the statistical evidences

would preclude their use...

> >

> > Frantz

>

September 9, 2008

I agree that most MDs aren't " evil " ; it's more accurate to say they

are as a group " unaware " , which is just as bad in their chosen field.

I hate averaging these people though, there are good doctors and bad

ones; the good ones support health, while the bad ones address only

disease.

Duncan

>

> I take issue with grouping all MDs into the " evil " category. I am

under an internist's care and she is working with me on thyroid and

adrenal issues, among others. She has improved my life greatly with

both prescription drugs (Armour thyroid) and supplements (she does

not sell them, just strongly recommends them, including prescription-

strength fish oil, coconut oil, etc.,). She also suggested I go to a

rather low carb eating plan which has helped me tremendously.

Really, there are times when a physician's care is necessary and life-

saving. Yes there are over-prescribed medications and problems in

the medical industry. But grouping all MD's together seems a bit

hysterical. I once contracted a very serious infection. While I

agree antibiotics are over prescribed in the US, the antibiotics I

took arguably saved my life. Just because someone is under a

doctor's care does not mean they are closed off to alternative

medicine. There is a balance that can be struck in my!

> opinion.

>

> Marie

>

September 9, 2008

What do you guys think of policasanol as an alternative to the statins.

Policasanol is made from the wax of sugarcanes. My only resistance in taking

this is that the sugarcanes are fertilized and heavily sprayed. If the process

the wax and take the beneficial element and make it into policasanol, do you

think the chemicals would be washed away? Policasanol acc to the websites i

visited lowers cholesterol and balances HDL/LDL too.

September 9, 2008

Hi

Disclaimer.. Not a Helath Professional:

This aside.. The very important question is the following; Is there really a

correlation between Heart Diseases and High Cholesterol levels? It seems that

all the present Cholesterol-busting hysteria stems from just one (1) study whose

statistics findings are far from definitive.

Please do read more there:

http://www.thincs.org/

eye-opening...

One thing I know is that Statin drugs lower cholesterol by DIRECTLY attacking

the liver. They impede the function of this so important gland. The side

effects are dangerous... especially that it seems we all can live rather well

with a relatively elevated cholesterol level... Diet and exercise are the key to

an healthy heart... to health as a matter of fact...

Read on and draw your own conclusions. For my part. I know I will stay off

Prescription as much as humanly possible...

Frantz

From: melly banagale <@...>

Subject: Re: prescr. drugs

Coconut Oil

Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 1:09 PM

What do you guys think of policasanol as an alternative to the

statins. Policasanol is made from the wax of sugarcanes. My only resistance in

taking this is that the sugarcanes are fertilized and heavily sprayed. If the

process the wax and take the beneficial element and make it into policasanol, do

you think the chemicals would be washed away? Policasanol acc to the websites i

visited lowers cholesterol and balances HDL/LDL too.

September 9, 2008

wrote: What do you guys think of policasanol as an alternative to the

statins

, I have successfully used Policosanol by LifeExtension. My

cholesterol was 220 and after one 60 tablet bottle of 10mg tabs, it went to

146.

I have been unsuccessful in getting my husband off statins even though he

knows my results. He is 100% into traditional medicines and will not even

entertain changing. This old dog of 83 refuses to try something new! Too

bad L

Blessings,

September 9, 2008

Why is everyone trying to be less than 200? It is my understanding that less

than 200 is really not healthy.

One Day At A Time..............

Jean

September 9, 2008

It's my understanding that the importance lies in the breakdown of scores.

IE, the LDL, (low density Lipoprotein) which is considered bad - should be

less than 100.. The HDL (higher density Lipoprotein) which is good, should

be above 60.

Here is a scale with values that will help my point:

LDL Cholesterol

LDL-Cholesterol Category

Less than 100

Optimal

100 - 129

Near optimal/above optimal

130 - 159

Borderline high

160 - 189

High

190 and above

Very high

HDL Cholesterol

HDL-Cholesterol Category

60 and above

High; Optimal; helps to lower risk of heart disease

Less than 40 in men and less than 50 in women

Low; considered a risk factor for heart disease

Blessings,

wrote:

Why is everyone trying to be less than 200? It is my understanding that less

than 200 is really not healthy.

September 9, 2008

,

That is good news to me. My cholesterol now is normal but am still taking

lipitor (yikes) and really want to stop taking it. I am also diabetic and

hypertensive so i am afraid to just thrash this meds. Am considering taking

policasanol. I am just wondering, if my cholesterol is ok, would taking

policasanol make it come down? My trigylceride is a bit elevated and acc to the

policasanol website it can also take care of it.

Thanks.

September 9, 2008

,

From what I have read, Policosanol promotes healthy platelet function and

helps maintain cholesterol levels that are already within normal range.

Extensive studies have also shown that policosanol is an antioxidant and

when used in long-term clinical trials, it was well tolerated and safe.

If you are going to start using it, make sure you purchase one that is a

mixture of eight higher primary aliphatic alcohols isolated and purified

from sugar cane wax. There have been several cheap versions that contain a

high amount of octacosanol flooding the American markets, stay away from

those. As I mentioned, I use the one from Life Extension as I found in my

research this to be the best for me.

Blessings,

September 9, 2008

Hi

You have to be careful where the numbers came from.

The drug companies are ruthless in their attempt to sell

their potions. They are setting new levels in an attempt

to get people on more of their drugs and they care not

what these new levels, if achieved, will do to people. As

a matter of fact, they will be rubbing their hands together

because the new sicknesses will be another opportunity

to develop and sell yet another drug.

I saw on CNN not so long ago how the drug companies

were trying to set a new lower level for high blood pressure.

It is done subtlety through a news story usually featuring a

doctor who is talking about a new study. (So much for

science and 'studies' but that is another topic.) This doctor

may be paid by the drug companies to appear on CNN or

he might be a paid employee of the drug company to say

that 'studies show' that ...blah, blah, blah.

On the news that I saw, the reporter pointed out in not so many

words that this was a ploy to sell more drugs. It is not usual for

these big TV media to admit to this so I admire the reporter

for being open about this but she probably got a good talking

to by the bosses at CNN because a lot of their money comes

from the ads that the drug companies place there.

Another thing that is noteworthy.... Reporters love nothing better

than a good story. There are hundreds ...no, thousands and

thousands of people who are 'cured' (dare I use the word) of

cancer by natural means. You never hear of these stories, do

you? Why not? Could it be that the drug companies are

controlling the news media as to what they can or cannot say?

Watch, in the news, for stories about how cancer is decreasing or

people are living longer after treatment, etc and see how the news

media will be spinning these stories. Watch how the drug companies,

the Cancer Society and our wonderful 'modern' medicine will be

taking all the credit while the public goes to the health stores in

droves to buy Vit D. But I digress.

Helen

RE: Re: prescr. drugs

It's my understanding that the importance lies in the breakdown of scores.

IE, the LDL, (low density Lipoprotein) which is considered bad - should be

less than 100.. The HDL (higher density Lipoprotein) which is good, should

be above 60.

Here is a scale with values that will help my point:

LDL Cholesterol

LDL-Cholesterol Category

Less than 100

Optimal

100 - 129

Near optimal/above optimal

130 - 159

Borderline high

160 - 189

High

190 and above

Very high

HDL Cholesterol

HDL-Cholesterol Category

60 and above

High; Optimal; helps to lower risk of heart disease

Less than 40 in men and less than 50 in women

Low; considered a risk factor for heart disease

Blessings,

wrote:

Why is everyone trying to be less than 200? It is my understanding that less

than 200 is really not healthy.

September 9, 2008

Personally, I was (and hopefully will be again, my total chol having

dropped like a stone due to a hyperthyroid situation) perfectly happy

with a total cholesterol of 220 at age 62.

While total cholesterol numbers are not particularly meaningful,

cholesterol that is too low is much more dangerous than normal

moderately high cholesterol that is age appropriate and actually protective.

sol

wrote:

> , I have successfully used Policosanol by LifeExtension. My

> cholesterol was 220 and after one 60 tablet bottle of 10mg tabs, it went to

> 146.

>

September 9, 2008

From my readings it isn't and in fact can be much more of a health risk

if total cholesterol is under 160. Risk of stroke and cancer, as well as

risk of death from all causes is raised radically, particularly for men.

sol

jean@... wrote:

> Why is everyone trying to be less than 200? It is my understanding that less

than 200 is really not healthy.

>

September 9, 2008

Hi

I agree.

You cannot blame the doctors. They were brainwashed by the powers that

have the money and they don't even know it is happening.

Think about it. You are a young man or woman just out of high school. You

have decided to become a doctor. That means study and lots of it. You are

healthy and young so you don't even relate to the sick among us. If you have

extra time, you probably aren't thinking about health. You are probably

thinking

about cars, girls and sports. After premed, you go to doctor's school and that

means more studies again with little time for anything else. During this time,

you

might get married and when the studies are all over, you practice medicine. When

did you have time to question alternatives??? You didn't. Anyway, med school

did such a good job on you, you are convinced alternatives are all quackery.

Little by little you find out that the " miracle drugs " they taught you about in

med

school don't really work all that well and some seem to be causing disease. You

have the occasional patient who takes supplements and tries to tell you a little

about it but you don't have time in the 6 minute visit to really hear what the

patient was saying and anyway, weren't you taught it was all quackery? As time

goes on and you get older, you might read the odd thing about a vitamin here

and there that might be beneficial for some of your patients. You might even

learn a few more things from your patients but they aren't doctors after all.

If

you practice medicine in Canada, you could even lose your license if you

prescribed too many vitamins. And you don't have time to study your journals

of medicine let alone a book about vitamins.

By the time, you finally decide that you would like to learn more about these

things, you are retired.

Of course, this is a generalization. Not all doctors are not the same. Nor

should we expect them to be. Even though some people need a hero and

think doctors are gods, they are really only human beings after all and each

one has a different personality. Some are analytic; others are happy just to

go along with what they learned at med school. I have heard of some

doctors, who when they found out how badly they had been duped, are

extremely angry about it but they are far and few between.

To find a doctor with an open mind is a rarity. Marie, you seem to have

found such a doctor. Most doctors don't even ask one thing about diet, for

example. Very few doctors are willing to think outside the box but it seems

your doctor is doing just that. I wish I could have her for my own doctor.

Even the naturopath doctors have an arsenal of products in their back office

that influences their decisions.

I don't do all my doctor says. Actually I do almost nothing he says. I just

use

him for the odd bit of information now and again or to do some tests. When

I find out what is wrong, I go to my favorite health suppliers and get what I

need. It is surprising how often I find the exact right thing. Of course, I am

rarely sick since I take a lot of healthy stuff on a regular basis.