Re: (unknown)

[Guest guest]

As long as you didn't hang off of a street lamp and

pop your top... A girl I knew when I was there, did

that(under the influence of mardi gras punch) and

ended up getting arrested. Did you go with your

daughter? Did you have lots of fun?

-dz-

--- Jannewilms42@... wrote:

> I told you I tried wearing a white halo last year

> for Mardi Gras and it

> didn't work..I was tod I was a fallen angel......LOL

>

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[Guest guest]

This isn't exactly snow angel snow... It's hard as a

rock. We need one of those 30 degree snows to make

snow angels. It's 11 degrees as I speak. Don't worry

though, I promise I'll make you one when we get a nice

soft snowfall... -dz-

--- Jannewilms42@... wrote:

> Hey go make a Snow Angel for me..I never get to play

> in the snow!!!

>

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[Guest guest]

, this can be one of the positives to come out of

all this. We all can get so wrapped up in our daily

routines until something like this comes along like a

2X4 to the back of the head and you start to think

about the things that are really important in life. If

you would look at the lives of all of us, we are very

different people in different occupations, different

parts of the country, or even a few of us in other

countries, yet we've got much in common, and not just

the hcv either. Suddenly friendship and family and the

precious time we have together assume their proper

places of importance. -dz-

--- kbwaltke <kbwaltke@...> wrote:

> Thankyou so much for the prayers. I am keeping you

> all in

> my prayers too. The one thing that has struck me is

> how

> profoundly our priorites have changed. Some how

> wallpaper

> border is no long a primary focus.

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[Guest guest]

Joanna, I don't know. It wouldn't surprise me though. I often read that

various early peoples believed disease to be caused by supernatural forces or

an angry god.

Kathleen

Vaccine info at http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html <A

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in your life you doubt, as far as possible, all things. ~ René Descartes 1596

-1650

In a message dated 2/6/2002 1:13:12 PM Central Standard Time,

joanna_at_home@... writes:

> Hi all

>

> I was reading a posting detailing some of Vera Schreibner's work yesterday.

> In it she said that the word 'measles' was ancient sanskrit for 'a

> visitation from the goddess'.

>

> Has anyone heard of this before? Any references? First time I have heard

> this. Just curious.

>

> Joanna

>

[Guest guest]

I've never heard of it. Maybe she's confusing it with smallpox in India?

They viewed it as a visitation from a Goddess but not as a curse.

<< I was reading a posting detailing some of Vera Schreibner's work

yesterday. In it she said that the word 'measles' was ancient sanskrit for

'a visitation from the goddess'. >>

[Guest guest]

I wonder if we can contact Dr. Cohen.

Suzy

>From: " DAWN RIDER " <israelswarrior@...>

>Reply-SSRI medications

>rcbarden@...

>CC: PROZACAWARENESS , prozactruth ,

>SSRI medications

>Subject: (unknown)

>Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 03:30:54 -0700

>

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Hello all -

The following article is rather lengthy, so I've taken the liberty of highlighting a few lines to attract your attention. This is from Dr. Mercola's most recent newsletter:

Over Dose: The Case Against the Drug Companies

Part 1 of 2

Chapter 1: The Race To the Bottom

I was in my recliner, headset on, writing this book when the telephone rang.

"Dr. Cohen, my name is . I'm sorry to bother you, but I need to speak to you about problems I'm having with my medication."

I don't get many calls. After twenty years in practice, I've been disabled for ten. I have no office or funding for my research, so I work at home. My telephone number is unlisted. , a young man from the other end of the country, had obviously gone to considerable trouble to find me.

"I'm taking Prozac for panic attacks and depression," told me. "I was nearly housebound by agoraphobia once. I was okay for three years, but things got stressful at work and the problems returned."

"Prozac is a reasonable choice for your disorder," I said. "What's the problem?"

"I've gotten much worse since starting the drug. I get terribly agitated now, and my heart pounds and I can't sleep. I get so shaky sometimes, I'm afraid to go out. I'm withdrawing And depressed again. I think the Prozac is making me worse."

"What do your doctors say?"

"They say that the side effects from the Prozac -- the insomnia and palpitations -- show that it is working, and that I should wait it out."

I sighed quietly. This was awful advice, but not unusual. Although I already knew the answer, I asked, "What dose of Prozac are you taking?"

"Twenty milligrams a day."

Twenty mg -- that's what Lilly and Company, Prozac's manufacturer, recommends initially for otherwise healthy people ages eighteen to sixty-five, and that's what physicians prescribe. Unfortunately, neither nor his physicians knew that early research had already shown that doses one half or even one quarter Lilly's recommended amount are all that some patients need (1, 2).

Anything greater commonly causes side effects including agitation, insomnia, rapid heart rate, and consequent depression and social withdrawal. These are signs that was being over-dosed.

isn't alone. In 1998 an extensive study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) showed that 106,000 people die annually in American hospitals from medication side effects (3).

Medication reactions are the fourth leading cause of death in the United States, dwarfing the number of deaths caused by automobile accidents, AIDS, alcohol and illicit drug abuse, infectious diseases, diabetes, and murder. In addition to the medication-related deaths, the JAMA study also tallied 2,216,000 severe medication reactions in U.S. hospitals annually.

Because of the especially rigorous methods the researchers applied, even these numbers may not present the full picture. The authors defined serious side effects narrowly, including only clearcut reactions causing permanent disability, hospitalization, or death. Thus, they excluded side effects that disable people for weeks or months, side effects such as dizziness or sedation that cause automobile accidents or falls and broken limbs, side effects that require emergency interventions, and side effects that prolong hospitalizations or force people to miss work.

And the authors didn't even try to count the largest category of all -- side effects occurring in outpatients. Overall, the authors excluded side effects that occur far more often than the ones they included.

Despite omitting so many side effects, the JAMA study still recorded numbers reaching epidemic proportions. And, as the authors noted, this side-effect epidemic wasn't new: "The incidence has remained stable over the last 30 years (4)."

Because it is sometimes difficult to place such statistics in everyday terms, consider this: 106,000 deaths a year averages out to nearly 300 deaths a day, every day. In comparison, about 85 people died from accidents linked to faulty Firestone tires. The Firestone deaths occurred over a period of several years -- medication reactions kill 300 people every day. Yet, it was the Firestone deaths that dominated the news for several weeks and drew Congressional hearings.

Deaths from all major airline crashes in the United States average less than 300 annually, but one airplane crash gets more media attention and governmental scrutiny than the 300 medication-related deaths that occurred not only the same day as the airline crash, but also every day before and after for decades.

Why has this epidemic of side effects gone unrecognized? Deaths from medication reactions rarely look any different than natural deaths. There's no visible wreckage to videotape, no crash sites to horrify and fascinate viewers. As media people say, "No film, no story."

Medication deaths often occur quietly in hospitals, emergency rooms, and homes. When medication-related deaths occur, it is often unclear at first whether the cause was the medication, the illness, or other factors. In other words, to much of the media, there's nothing sexy about side effects.

Moreover, the public likes to believe that our hospitals and medications are safe and that our doctors are taking every reasonable precaution.

Facing the failure of a major industry is never comfortable. How many decades did it take recognize the drunk driving problem? To bring the dangers of cigarettes to public awareness? To mandate seatbelts in cars? Maybe with medication side effects it's the same: We'd rather not know.

It might be different if the public received an accurate account of the scope of the side-effect epidemic. ' experience, for example, may have been severe enough to drive him to contact an unfamiliar doctor 2,500 miles away, but his case will never be counted in the side-effect statistics.

His doctors didn't recognize ' side effects, and even if they had, they probably wouldn't have reported them to the FDA. "Most physicians feel that detecting adverse reactions is a professional obligation, but relatively few actually report such reactions [to the FDA]," states Goodman and Gilman's The Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics, one of medicine's most respected drug references (5).

Dr. Strom, former chairman of the department of biostatistics and epidemiology at the University of Pennsylvania, told the New York Times in 1997: "Most doctors don't know the system [for reporting medication reactions to the FDA] exists (6)." When speaking to medical groups, Dr. Strom showed a slide of an FDA Medwatch form and asked: "How many of you have ever seen that?" Usually, less than a third raise their hands.

Yet, it is from voluntary reports from physicians that side-effect statistics are derived. Physicians, however, often feel that so-called minor side effects -- the ones that make millions of people like feel merely miserable or unable to function normally -- aren't worth reporting.

Reporting more serious reactions may raise questions about treatment or lead to lawsuits. Another highly regarded drug reference, Melmon and Morrelli's Clinical Pharmacology: Basic Principles in Therapeutics, commented: "Drug-induced complications can mimic and therefore be attributed to disease-induced problems.

When therapy fails, we [physicians) frequently can attribute the failure to the disease and escape blame. Probably nowhere else in professional life are mistakes so easily hidden, even from ourselves (7)." The result is that only one in twenty side effects is reported to authorities (8, 9).

Drug companies and medical institutions have their own reasons for underestimating the full scope of the side-effect epidemic. Dr. Bates, an associate professor of medicine at the Harvard Medical School, wrote in JAMA:

Hospitals have had strong incentives not to identify too many of these adverse drug events. Reporting large numbers of adverse events and any serious preventable event brings intense scrutiny from regulators and the public. Thus, most hospitals have relied on spontaneous reporting, which only identifies about 1 in 20 adverse reactions and leads to the perception that injuries from ADRs are less common than they really are (10).

Even the Food and Drug Administration acknowledges that adverse drug reactions are grossly underreported. In March, 2000, Dickinson's FDA Review reported on its interview with Jerry , associate director of the Office Of Post-Marketing Drug Risk Assessment at the FDA:

"These reports, however, are generally believed by experts to grossly understate the actual situation, said. In the broader area of adverse drug reaction data, the 250,000 reports received annually probably represent only 5% of the actual reactions that occur (11)."

A simple extrapolation from these numbers reveals a total of five million medication reactions each year -- and this is still probably an underestimate.

However, one by one, the public is learning about the perniciousness of the side-effect epidemic. Knowledgeable people have told me that their elderly parents died not from their illnesses, but from being prescribed too many too powerful medications. Dozens of websites now exist where patients can discuss medication reactions that have caused major reactions or disabilities that their physicians have ignored. (Hey folks.. that's us!!!)

Many physicians dismiss anecdotal reports or cases posted on the Internet, but scientific discovery often begins with individual reports of an unrecognized or poorly understood problem. These reports, especially when hundreds of in-depth, medically credible descriptions are listed, should be taken seriously, because they represent another unrecognized aspect of the side-effect epidemic.

It might be different if the side-effect epidemic was caused by a few bad drugs. Every industry produces some lemons. Thus, the FDA has had to remove ten prescription drugs (plus a vaccine and an anesthetic) within the last four years. But, as this book will document, the problem extends well beyond these few. Instead, it involves hundreds of drugs including top-sellers like Viagra, Premarin, Prozac, Lipitor, Celebrex, and Motrin.

Because the problem is so large and so many drugs are involved, blame is difficult to assess. In addition, these same drugs help millions of people, which further obscures the many problems they cause, why they cause them, and how easily many of these side effects, like ', could be avoided.

*********************

Consider, for example, one class of medications: women's hormones. When I was a medical intern in 1971, I treated a young woman with a blood clot in her lower leg (thrombophlebitis). She required hospitalization and bed rest for nearly two weeks. She was lucky: Hundreds of women like her died each year when such clots broke free and coursed to their lungs.

These clots were caused by birth control pills -- pills that in the 1960s and 1970s contained three to eight times more estrogen and progesterone than actually needed (12, 12A). That's 300 to 800 percent more of these powerful hormones than today's pills -- doses that exposed millions of women to greatly increased risks of blood clots, strokes, and death.

The death rate from thromboembolism alone was 600 percent higher with the original high-dose pills. I don't know where my patient is today, but she probably is now worrying about the increased risks of breast cancer that have been reported with these high-dose pills (13-16). How many women have been harmed by these excessive doses that were prescribed in the United States for twenty-eight years? Some data exist, but the full extent of the damage has never been defined.

Perhaps my patient, after entering menopause, received hormone therapy for hot flashes. If she was prescribed Premarin for hot flashes at the dosage recommended by its manufacturer, Wyeth-Ayerst, she might have received double or even quadruple the amount she actually needed. Wyeth-Ayerst recommended 1.25 mg of Premarin as its initial dose for hot flashes from 1964 through 1999, long after medical experts had shown that 0.625 mg and even as little as 0.3 mg were sufficient for many women (17-19).

Premarin is perhaps the most prescribed drug ever; in 1999 alone, women purchased more than 47 million prescriptions in the United States. Yet even in 2000, after Wyeth-Ayerst finally reduced its recommended starting dose for hot flashes to 0.625 mg, this amount remains excessive for some women (20-22). Similarly, the recommended doses of Premarin for preventing osteoporosis have been unnecessarily high for many women (23, 24).

Meanwhile, estrogens like Premarin have been linked to increased rates of breast cancer (25, 26) -- and it is likely that the higher the dose of estrogen, the greater the risk. Has my patient been affected? How many thousands of women have been harmed over the years? We'll never know, and the side-effect statistics will never reflect them.

Why weren't lower, safer, effective doses of these hormones, as used today, developed decades earlier? The technology existed in the 1960s to determine the lowest, safest doses of these potent drugs. But the intense, fast-paced competition of the medication marketplace frequently spurs drug companies to conduct small, brief, insufficiently extensive studies on the dosages of new drugs (27) -- dosages that will be taken by millions of people.

The result is that only belatedly, years or even decades later, do we discover that lower doses are not only effective, but avoid many side effects. Of course, by this time, tremendous damage has been done to people and their families.

The story is the same with many drugs -- not just obscure drugs, but many top-selling drugs. The problem encompasses the entire field of medication therapy, as recognized experts have attested:

Carl Peck, M.D., former director of the FDA's Center for Drug Evaluation and Research: "There are noteworthy examples in drug development of failing to get the dose right when a drug is first marketed (28)."

Dr. Woosley, the chairman of the department of pharmacology at town: "The US society has invested in developing wondrous new pharmacologic therapies but has failed to invest adequately in their safe use (29)."

Dr. Norman Sussman, editor of Primary Psychiatry: "There are lots of problems with the current system of drug testing. Often it fails to detect efficacy and, more often than would be desired, misses significant side effects (30)."

Dr. Marcia Angell, former editor-in-chief of the New England Journal of Medicine: "To rely on the drug companies for unbiased evaluations of their products makes about as much sense as relying on beer companies to teach us about alcoholism (31)."

The result of these shortcomings? Dr. J. of town University, Dr. Bruce Psaty of the University of Washington, and Dr. Curt Furberg of Wake Forest University determined that "51% of approved drugs have serious adverse effects not detected prior to approval (32)."

Think about this -- more than half of our drugs, after being deemed "safe" by the FDA and then prescribed to millions of people, are subsequently detected to have previously unrecognized, medically serious side effects. No wonder we have a side-effect epidemic.

When the majority of our drugs are approved with serious risks, the threat isn't small. Forty-six percent of Americans take at least one prescription drug dally (33). That's more than 128 million people. Most of these people are taking medications long-term, so their exposures aren't brief. Twenty-five percent of Americans take multiple prescription drugs every day.

In 1999, Americans purchased 2,587,575,000 prescriptions -- that's nine prescription drugs (as well as several over-the-counter drugs) for every person in America.

Americans paid $125 billion for these prescriptions -- $50 per prescription on average. One would think that with so much cost and utilization, medications would be our most carefully manufactured and safest products. Yet, as Dr. Bates wrote: "Only after drugs leave the trial setting and are used in sicker patients do their true risks become apparent (34)."

It doesn't have to be this way. As Dr. Bates also wrote, "Although some risks are inevitable, they can be significantly reduced (35)." I agree -- side effects can be significantly reduced, but they aren't. The inadequate methods by which drugs are developed and prescribed are why.

Weary of seeing avoidable side effects affect patient after patient, I began investigating the origins of this problem. With a background in general medicine, pain research, general pharmacology and psychopharmacology, and experience as a staff member at UCLA, UCSD (the University of California, San Diego), and at the world's largest naval medical center at Balboa Hospital in San Diego, I began voicing my concerns publicly in 1988.

First I wrote letters to medical journals and authored health columns in a local newspaper. Beginning in 1996, I began publishing lengthy articles describing my findings in respected medical journals such as the Archives of Internal Medicine (36-38), Postgraduate Medicine (39), Geriatrics (40), The ls of Pharmacotherapy (41, 42), and Drug Safety (43).

After more than a decade of research conducted without any influences, I found that the drug companies dominate the entire process of medication therapy -- from early research to ultimate usage -- as few other industries control their products today. Drug company research and development often serves marketing strategies more than sound science or patients' safety.

The many ways that drug companies accomplish this is discussed in depth in Chapter 9, but here is a glimpse -- derived from numerous medical journal articles including JAMA (44), the New England Journal of Medicine (45), and Lancet (46) -- of the methods that drug companies use in accomplishing their goals:

Drug companies can choose research study designs that are more likely to produce favorable results rather than designs that might provide more accurate results.

Drug companies can conduct multiple studies on new drugs, and then select and publish the most favorable ones while suppressing the rest.

Drug company studies can measure a drug's effectiveness in multiple ways, then select and publish only the best results. Sometimes these favorable results have little to do with whether the drugs will help patients.

Drug companies hire professional writers to prepare articles according to company guidelines, using favorable phrases and terms selected by the companies.

Drug companies hire high-profile experts to place their names on drug company-generated articles, although the experts have not participated in the studies and their financial connections with the drug companies are not disclosed.

These excesses might be unimportant if drug company research represented a small portion of all medication research. However, the drug companies underwrite 70 percent of all medication research today (47). This gives the pharmaceutical industry tremendous power over the entire medication research effort, including the threat of lawsuits or loss of future funding for physicians wanting to publish unfavorable findings (48).

More and more, drug companies are requiring researchers to sign confidential agreements before receiving any funding, giving the companies the power to suppress findings they don't like.

The pharmaceutical industry's ability to amass wealth while hospitals and medical centers struggle financially has allowed the drug companies to intrude into the arena of independent academic medicine (49). This intrusion is so great that in 2000, Dr. Angell issued an astonishing article -- "Is Academic Medicine for Sale?" -- in the New England Journal of Medicine:

Academic medical institutions are themselves growing increasingly beholden to industry.... Some academic institutions have entered into partnerships with drug companies to set up research centers and teaching programs in which students and faculty members essentially carry out industry research....

When the boundaries between industry and academic medicine become as blurred as they now are, the business goals of industry influence the mission of the medical schools in multiple ways.... The influences of the marketplace should not become woven into the fabric of academic medicine. We need to remember that for-profit businesses are pledged to increase the value of their investors' stock. That is a very different goal from the mission of medical schools (50).

Despite the concerns of Dr. Angell and other experts, drastic reductions in insurance and Medicare payments have placed great pressure on medical institutions and research physicians to accept the money -- and terms -- of the drug companies.

At the same time, the drug companies spend billions targeting office physicians, as well as new interns and residents, with gifts, free meals, travel subsidies, and subsidized symposia presenting the drug companies' spin on their medications (51, 52).

Beyond these direct influences, drug companies exert broad influence over the drug information received by doctors and consumers. The vast majority of everything physicians and consumers read and know about medications comes from the drug companies. Medication package inserts, drug advertising toward physicians and consumers, and the information in the ubiquitous Physicians' Desk Reference (PDR) (53) come directly from the drug companies.

Where do most doctors turn for medication and dosage information? To the PDR, to drug company representatives who make the rounds of doctors' offices, and to advertising in medical journals. Yet, the medication information offered by these drug company-supported sources is often biased, incomplete, and sometimes inaccurate.

Please see the continuation of this article in the next issue of my newsletter.

References

DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT:

Dr. Cohen does a magnificent job of documenting the amazing abuse that the pharmaceutical companies have done to the public. His information is very well documented and can serve as a basis for some major change.

Unfortunately Dr. Cohen is still relatively well entrenched in the traditional paradigm. His conclusion from his data is to individualize and lower the dose of most of the medications.

Clearly this is a wise step in the right direction, but he falls short of providing more definitive recommendations that address the cause of the disease.

Not to worry, because that is what I attempt to do with this newsletter. I do strongly recommend his book as it is one of the best ones out there that documents the drug company abuses.

My only caution is to recognize that you should seek natural therapies that address the cause of the disease before choosing a drug based solution.

Related Articles:

Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000 Deaths Every Year

Medical Mistakes Kill 100,000 Per Year

US Health Care System Most Expensive in the World

Drug Induced Disorders

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[Guest guest]

The festivities start Sunday over here and go on until Tuesday night..I'm gonna be there in all my great glory.......LOL

[Guest guest]

Let me know when you do ok?? Send me a pic.....

[Guest guest]

Terry as I am sure you have already found out tx does this very thing to you..I couldn't or wouldn't even walk across the street cause I just didn't have it in me because I stayed so tired all the time but then I took Trazadone and it helped me to sleep..Have you tried Benedryl? Maybe that would help you.......Just a thought..I know I take it now even but the past 2 nights even not being on tx I can't sleep..Too much going on in this old mind of mine I guess..

[Guest guest]

Hi,

Thanks a lot for your reply, and the information u

provided is more useful for me. Regarding behavioural

sites I din get any reply about that from others, and

I am searching for that. One more problem of my kid is

that he will be pulling my hair always, what can I do

to stop him. Thankyou for your reply in advance

swapna

--- whcmccain@... wrote:

> This is in response to the behavioral problems you

> are having with your 4

> year old child. To deal with these problems, you

> need some behavioral

> techniques. There are many you can try. For

> example, timeout is one you

> might use. Each time my son climbs on a table at

> home, I will cover his eyes

> with my hands and make him count to 10 or 20 and

> then say, " We don't climb on

> tables. " If your child is not verbal, you can do

> the counting yourself and

> then tell him, " We don't... " Call it a timeout and

> remind him that each time

> he does ____ he will be given a timeout. Make sure

> that you follow through

> with it EVERY SINGLE TIME. There are many other

> techniques like picking up

> blocks or putting pegs in a board. They must be

> activities that your son

> does NOT like. My best advice for you would be to

> look for a book on

> behavioral techniques. Look at the website for

> Different Roads to Learning.

> They have many books for autism or adhd. Also, this

> group---- is mainly

> for biological interventions which would definately

> benefit your child.

> However, if you are looking for behavioral

> techniques, your best bet would be

> to join another group for that purpose. For example

> the Me List is one of

> the best. I don't have that address with me, but I

> am sure someone else on

> this list could give it to you. Also, the DTT list

> on would

> also be a good source. I hope you find some answers

> for your child.

>

> All the best,

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

So very well spoken.... Re: [ ] Re: (unknown) , this can be one of the positives to come out ofall this. We all can get so wrapped up in our dailyroutines until something like this comes along like a2X4 to the back of the head and you start to thinkabout the things that are really important in life. Ifyou would look at the lives of all of us, we are verydifferent people in different occupations, differentparts of the country, or even a few of us in othercountries, yet we've got much in common, and not justthe hcv either. Suddenly friendship and family and theprecious time we have together assume their properplaces of importance. -dz---- kbwaltke <kbwaltke@...> wrote:> Thankyou so much for the prayers. I am keeping you> all in> my prayers too. The one thing that has struck me is> how> profoundly our priorites have changed. Some how> wallpaper> border is no long a primary focus. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this an appropriate suggestion as I don't know if you are on treatment of not or if that would matter, Melatonin might be of some assistance to you... but trust others with more knowledge or check with your doctor first. [ ] (unknown) Good afternoon everyone. Things are going well here.Except for still not sleeping & tried all of the time.When I see the Doctor on Monday afternoon I will seeif he can give me something to help me sllep. Maybe Iwill feel like doing more then just going to work. Nothaving a life away from home & work is the pits. But Iwill win this battle that I'm sure of. I will nevergive up. Praying for all of you Terry__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi I have tried Melatonin it doesn't help.

Hang in there Greg will come along & seek treatment.

Just be there for him keep supporting & praying for

him. I know from my own son when they become an aduilt

thay don't always listen to Mom & Dad. So just keep

pushing on.

Will be praying for you

Terry

--- WILLIAM A WALTKE <kbwaltke@...> wrote:

> I don't know if this an appropriate suggestion

> as I don't know if you are on treatment of not

> or if that would matter, Melatonin might be

> of some assistance to you... but trust others

> with more knowledge or check with your doctor

> first.

>

> [ ] (unknown)

>

> Good afternoon everyone. Things are going well

> here.

> Except for still not sleeping & tried all of the

> time.

> When I see the Doctor on Monday afternoon I will see

> if he can give me something to help me sllep. Maybe

> I

> will feel like doing more then just going to work.

> Not

> having a life away from home & work is the pits. But

> I

> will win this battle that I'm sure of. I will never

> give up.

> Praying for all of you

> Terry

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Malcom,

We are arranging a SENATE meeting on Saturday 6th April at Danbury Park

Management Centre, Near Chelmsford, Essex. Are you still interested ?

(unknown)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > Faced with my extortionate bill for subscribing to the

> > > > CPHVA I'm

> > > > > wondering if others feel like me: if we are feeling so let

> > > > down by

> > > > > them should we be voting with our chequebook and not

> > > > subscribing? Am

> > > > > I missing some other vital component they bring? what are

> > > > others'

> > > > > thoughts?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

KAREN

how long has your daughter had the lock problem ?

s knee was locked would not straighten up at all

this was one of the main concerns for the doctor she sees along with

PT they told me the bad results of this would be surgery to cut the tendons

and muscle then she wouldnt have much use of that leg

they started the therapy to straighten it a week later she was in a cast for

3 days

they cut that off checked her then treated her again until the leg was

totally straight

the cast was fixed for her to use at night she had to wear it for a while

to keep it straight but only when she slept

she still favors that knee and its the same knee that causes her foot to

walk outwards when the knee bothers her

best way to keep the leg moving is the stationary bike raise the seat up

some and make sure it has a strap on the pedal this without knowing will let

the knee and muscle stretch easier

let me know how shes doing

Robbin

[Guest guest]

Hello Robbin,

Tabs had both knees replaced but different doctors did the knees...the

doctor who did tabs right knee(the one that locked up) is the one who

replaced both of her hips..which her hips are great..the knee not so good.

She had the right knee replaced back in 99...so it has been awhile..see when

he replaced her hips he popped the knee straight and put a semi cast on it

but failed to tell the therapist in the hospital to do therapy with it..so

it just went bent again. So hopefully, whatever is done will work..

I remember when Tabs knees were hurting her(before replacements) her left

foot went outward also..now it is okay.

Well have to get tab in the tub..she needs help getting in and out..one of

the things she needs mom for..isn't it wonderful to be needed..lol!

Take care

karen(tab16..poly)

From: Robbin40@...

Reply-

Subject: Re: (unknown)

Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 08:03:56 EST

KAREN

how long has your daughter had the lock problem ?

s knee was locked would not straighten up at all

this was one of the main concerns for the doctor she sees along with

PT they told me the bad results of this would be surgery to cut the tendons

and muscle then she wouldnt have much use of that leg

they started the therapy to straighten it a week later she was in a cast for

3 days

they cut that off checked her then treated her again until the leg was

totally straight

the cast was fixed for her to use at night she had to wear it for a while

to keep it straight but only when she slept

she still favors that knee and its the same knee that causes her foot to

walk outwards when the knee bothers her

best way to keep the leg moving is the stationary bike raise the seat up

some and make sure it has a strap on the pedal this without knowing will

let

the knee and muscle stretch easier

let me know how shes doing

Robbin

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so far no replacements for melissa not going to say it aint down the road

why did tabithas foot turn out? did they say

the way they are telling me it deals with her hip

i have everyone of her xrays from the time she first got them i think 6

months

i have went over and over them and see differences

the foot is most noticable right now

Robbin

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Terry you do need something to help you sleep on tx..It is hard to do without anything..I did take trazadone but then went just to benedryl...Even not on tx I still have trouble sleeping..Glad to hear you are having no problems though...

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Eyes (thats a great handle) I sure hope it comes up negative. I would love to hear that. Tim

Thanks Tim. I also hope it comes up neg. But i am sick. I always just wanted a name to what I have. I have doctored for years and was told nothing is wrong. I know something is wrong. Now that I had one positive test for Hep C I am not sure I want to know what I have. I used to think if it had a name I would be happy. Well becareful what you wish for. I hate this waiting game. But from what I read here. Its all a waiting game. You wait for the test results. Yuo wait for the biopsy results, you wait to see if the meds are working. I hate waiting.lol

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Dear ,

I am trying groats for sprouts even tho you have cautioned me against

them. I will plant the buckwheat in hull this weekend and let you know

how the lettuce comes out!

What is " organic Hummus " ?

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Amber, I hope they find the best combo for you~

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hi guys

well i got a letter from the hospital *yay!* (i think lol),a few months back i saw my specialists registrar,you know,one of those visits where you wait in the waiting room for an hour then spend the next half an hour cathing up on news with the doc,cause nothing's different from the last time they were stumped *grin* anyway the registrar said my specialist was still researching and talking with other liver specialists about what meds to try seeing as the pred. imuran combo didnt work,that he'd mak an appt for me in 6 months as a 'backstop' but that my specialist would contact me b4 that probbly whe they sorted out the new meds,aannnyways point being,i see him this week and i think *fingers crossed* that means MEDS woohoo,i know i seems strange t be woohooing over meds but after the pred imuran failed to do what was hoped,i've spent nearly 3 years not having anything in my corner so to speak,nothing to fight with,my specialist is awesome,he really is wonderful and he's been great support during the waiting game,explaining why he wanted to try to figure what was best,safest etc,but i still felt helpless,you know how it is,and i don't like that.so once again wooohoo and a giant FINGERS CROSSED,lol once again thinking how awesome it is to have all u guys,no one else would stand a chnce of 'getting' why this is a big deal for me..irony is,and of course there has to be something ironic in any situation involving me *grin* i'm a little wary,i've had nothing to fight with up till now,but now,i'll have no excuses for not fighting,nothing to excuse fits of melancholy in which i just want to close out the world ohhh eeeeekkkk lol.but mostly sticking to the woohoo,hope with me people ,cross those fingers an toes*grin*

blessings to you all

Amber

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Hello Robbin,

Tabs left foot was the one that pointed outward and I was told the same

thing..to compensate for the pain in her knee..must of been she hasn't had

it pointed out since the knee was done. I complained about it for years..it

had looked to me like from the bottom of her knee to her foot had completely

moved..lol..guess i was just being a worry wart.

karen

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Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:57:48 EST

so far no replacements for melissa not going to say it aint down the road

why did tabithas foot turn out? did they say

the way they are telling me it deals with her hip

i have everyone of her xrays from the time she first got them i think 6

months

i have went over and over them and see differences

the foot is most noticable right now

Robbin

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Hi Terry

That should help. That is what I took on the first round of treatment. I

have also taken Zoloft, which also made me sleepy.

Insurance would not pay for either one so I chose the amitriptyline. 1 month

Zoloft $200 plus Elavil less than $5.

[ ] (unknown)

> Hi Everyone. I went to the Doctor today, he said my

> blood work was looking good. Took me off of zoloft &

> put me on amitriptyline. Said that should hepl me get

> some sleep. I hope so.

> Just thought I would keep you all informed on how

> things are going.

> Terry

>

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I guess I'm lucky my insurance pays on both.

It only cost me $10.00 Altogether the peg-intron,

rebetol & amitriptyline runs $35.00 a month plus

$10.00 to see the Doctor. Zoloft didn't make me

sleepy.

Terry

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> Hi Terry

>

> That should help. That is what I took on the first

> round of treatment. I

> have also taken Zoloft, which also made me sleepy.

> Insurance would not pay for either one so I chose

> the amitriptyline. 1 month

> Zoloft $200 plus Elavil less than $5.

>

>

> [ ] (unknown)

>

>

> > Hi Everyone. I went to the Doctor today, he said

> my

> > blood work was looking good. Took me off of zoloft

> &

> > put me on amitriptyline. Said that should hepl me

> get

> > some sleep. I hope so.

> > Just thought I would keep you all informed on how

> > things are going.

> > Terry

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

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I sure do hope that gives you the help you need. [ ] (unknown) Hi Everyone. I went to the Doctor today, he said myblood work was looking good. Took me off of zoloft & put me on amitriptyline. Said that should hepl me getsome sleep. I hope so. Just thought I would keep you all informed on howthings are going. Terry__________________________________________________