Re: (unknown)

[Guest guest]

Good for you Athena, and welcome!! We have a lot of nice people here and I

know you will enjoy our group.

Love,

>Hello,

>I've been reading a whole lot about Lifelift and I've

>also been doing it daily.

> " Talk " to all of you later.

>Athena

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>I don't live in Ohio anymore..I live in Holland. Arent you the one who lives

in Greece? Make sure you keep us posted on how you progress,Barbara>>

Sorry I didn't keep you posted. I did appreciate and agree with your information

about food rotation. I didn't think anyone would want to hear my poop progress,

but since you asked....

I keep a calendar and a pen hanging beside the toilet on the wall above the

toilet paper roll. 5 " one day, 7 " the next, 8-9 " for two consecutive days and

then 0 " for three to four days. That seems to be my pattern. The 0 " days are

uncomfortable and gassy but relaxing and not worrying about it has done wonders.

Holland is a wonderful place. I am not nor have I ever been to Greece.

Illinois is my home. I have family in Slovenia and the UK so I travel overseas

a few times each year and am ready to move out any time. Especially now since I

am not a fan of nationalism. Over the past 5 years the bread has really

improved in main stream grocery stores, which have begun to offer much more

variety in their bakery. The town where I now live has 4 ethnic food and bakery

shops with my favorite German dark bread. Yum.

Take care. I probably won't keep posting about this unless someone asks. Thanks

for asking and caring.

Betsy

[Guest guest]

Donna,

Thanks for thinking of me. Yeah, I'll be

careful. Yeah I know. Thanks for being here to

listen.

>

> WE're thinking of you . You be careful,

> ok????? Pay attention to

> your body and your mind, and you'll be ok!!!!!!

> We're always here to listen.

> {{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

> Donna

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[Guest guest]

Robin2- I would go back to him and take him up on

the stool test offer. He may offer better lab results.

Also about the stomach lunge symptoms. Ask him if

this fish tapeworm would do this, I know it would because

it grows very large. It is an unsegmented variety .

Diplogonoporus grandis

also this one:

Glaridacris sp.

The bodies of most tapeworms consist of a chain of proglottids, each of which is

an independent reproductive unit. Such worms are said to be

" polyzoic. " There are, however, a number of species of tapeworms that

consist of but a single proglottid. Such tapeworms are said to be

" monozoic, " and they belong to the order Caryophyllidea.

*********

That information was found at that Ohio University Parasite site.

Although I have not found this thing in a test with me but I am sure

it exists. I had a startling experience one evening watching TV

in

bed. I was feeling really relaxed watching a comedy when my

left bowel lunged upward so high. I carried 2 children and

never

did I experience a lift like that. My doctor brushed it off as

being

a bowel spasm but she would not listen to the details involved with

the lunging.

I felt something poke me repeatedly over and over again in my left

lower colon. I got a sharp striking pain and I felt this thing pass

right

through my bowel like a needle and thread. It moved across my

gut and down my right leg. It has remained there without an

incident for 3 years now. The lunging was caused toward the end

of this (worm) I believe that the bottom of it is wider than the

head.

It actually tugged until it was free. Can you believe that the

doctor

wouldn't hear of what I had just described? I was blown off.

I do think you need to give your body a rest off of the herbs and

treatments. Also I do know that if you went in tomorrow and

began

a stool test that nothing would show up. Why? Because all of

the

herbs you are taking would interfere with finding a result. I

would

wait a month off the herbs and go for that tests. This doctor

sounds

as though he understands your concern and frustration and is not

patronizing you. Go for it one more time because these things are

hard to find if they are in your body.

I have thought over and over again, wondering if yeast could overgrow

to such a size to cause these symptoms? I don't know that

either.

Also I had a protein factor test done and it came up negative.

So

my doctor dropped the worm issue with me. UGH! Something

lives beneath.

Liz D

(unknown)

Everyone,

Today I met with a doctor that specializes in Infectious Diseases,

Parasites and Travel Diseases.

--- rabbitbrain@...

bUcKsNdOeS

[Guest guest]

Robin,

God bless you girl! I am so sorry for your disgusting

feeling -- I feel for you and I recently had a similar

experience, but not with such knowledgable docs.

Have you ever SEEN a parasite come out of you? I have

-- I have seen AMAZING things. I have inspected them

closely and compared them to pictures of known

parasites in books and on the net.

Let me know after you finish that yummy sounding cake!

Carolyn

--- ProverbsRobinTwo <proverbs333@...> wrote:

> Everyone,

>

> Today I met with a doctor that specializes in

> Infectious Diseases,

> Parasites and Travel Diseases.

>

> My findings are detailed below, but I want to

> mention that my symptons

> were indicative of a tapeworm and candida, as based

> upon 2-3 years of

> research on the internet, mail groups, and

> discussion with naturapathic

> doctors and e-friends.

>

> 1. Proglottids or sesame seed like pieces in the

> feces:

> These are probably not tapeworm pieces but

> binders that are

> used in creating the pills in the many herbal

> supplements

> that I take.

> Real proglottids are about 1/2 inch long and are

> much

> larger than the size of sesame seeds.

>

> 3. Egg sacs or globs that look like the size of

> small jellybeans,

> found in the feces or in mucus in the feces:

> These are too large to be the eggs of tapeworms.

> Tapeworm eggs

> or ovum would be much much smaller if not

> microscopic.

>

> 4. White tongue:

> Coated tongue with blue and blackish tinges is

> not indicative

> of candida.

>

> 5. Halitosis:

> Not indicative of candida. Systemic candida would

> render one very

> very sick. Probably caused by some of the herbs I

> am taking.

>

> 6. Stomache gurgle:

> Not a tapeworm. Indicative of the muscular action

> that moves food

> along. Not necessarily peristalis but he named a

> muscle in the

> stomache.

>

> 7. Stomache movements:

> Peristalsis. Even when suffering from

> constipation or slow transit,

> the peristalsis still occurs. In a thin person (

> I am 5 feet 2 and

> 115 pounds) it is possible to view this motion

> from the outside and

> feel it from the surface of the stomache.

>

> 8. Use of Cascara Sagrada

> Causes melanosis coli, and a dependency on the

> herb. It forces

> muscle

> contractions in the stomache, its vey bad. Go

> back to milk of

> magnesia and or metamucil.

>

> 10. Use of Arise and Shine ( he read the contents on

> the bottles)

> He said he is not an herb person, but being

> scientific, he suggested

> there were too many herbs in one bottle, and if

> it were him he would

>

> try taking one herb only, for one month, and see

> if it does

> anything.

>

> 11. Review of results of stool sample lab tests from

> my primary care

> physician: They only tested for ghardia and three

> other common

> forms of parasites in ny state area. They did not

> test for ALL ovum

> and parasites. ( which is what the doctor had

> ordered. When they

> neglected to perform the complete test at the

> lab, she somehow

> didnt notice that) He said he would be glad to

> request another test.

> 12.Movement/stomache lurches: tape worm or tinnia is

> incapable of

> of moving from organ to organ. If it was

> traveling within the colon

> (where they are typicaly found) it would not cause

> lurching.

>

> His advice/conclusion, after a phyisical exam,

> pressing on stomache and

> liver, checking my eyes and fingernails etc:

> Since I exhibit no weight loss or appetite loss, or

> other symptons, I

> do not have a tape worm. He suggested laying off all

> of the herbs and

> supplements for a month and letting my body try to

> adjust. He suggested

> metamucil for the constipation.

>

> I have a long list of other symptons ( eye whites

> are not bright, dark

> circles around eyes, severe menstrual cramps, brain

> fog, intense sugar

> cravings, vaginal discharge, itchy ear canals when

> eating yougurt,

> etc.) but on the surface Im a fairly active person

> that looks pretty

> young and healthy for my age. The other symptons

> were dismissed by the

> doctor. He spent almost 2 hours with me, was very

> attentive, didnt

> seem shocked or surprised by things I told him, and

> seemed very

> intelligent and appeared to be an expert in his

> field.

>

> I sort of left the office in a stupor, not sure what

> to beleive or

> think. I didnt feel like rejoicing. Again, find a

> new doctor, build

> your hopes up, leave there doubting yourself, and

> feeling as though you

> are wasting your time and money on traditional

> medicine. Oh, I've also

> wasted my time and medicine on naturopathic doctors

> too.

>

> I posted a similar disgusted letter back in July

> after going through

> this with my primary care physician.

>

> I am still lurking on the list, but will be praying

> to God for

> guidance on next steps. Meanwhile I bought a double

> layer chocolate

> cake

> and had a piece to drown my sorrows. The hell with

> it. Tomorrow is a

> new day, and this all means something.....Cheers !

>

>

>

> =====

> Proverbs (Robin2)

> If you always do what you have always done, you'll

> always get what you have always got.

> Is that what you want ?

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Betsy,

Hmmm I wonder who it was that lives in Greece then?? LOL

Its funny that you mention a calendar in the toilet cause its a

tradition here to do that. Only instead of keeping track of BMs on

it, they keep track of birthdays! Ha! As you're sitting on the toilet

waiting for something to happen...you look at the calendar and think

" oh shit " its Uncle Henry's birthday today LOL

Hope you continue having success with your program,

Barbara

[Guest guest]

Well, , you take care of yourself. I know I don't respond to your emails

very often, but we all care about you just like the rest of the ones on this

list. I know what it's like to just scan the emails and hit delete.

Loriann

Wife to Dewight

Mom to , 11 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS and Celiac Disease.

, 2 years and Strong Willed

Both homeschooled.

[Guest guest]

Loriann,

Thanks for making me feel better about my e-mail

situation. Yeah, I'll be sure to take care of myself,

you and all of you take care of yourself also. Thanks

for y'all caring about me.

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[Guest guest]

You just sound a bit depressed. Is there someone there you can talk to. It

always helps me.

Loriann

Wife to Dewight

Mom to , 11 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS and Celiac Disease.

, 2 years and Strong Willed

Both homeschooled.

[Guest guest]

Who are you talking to?

--- Loriann <hsmyangels@...> wrote:

> You just sound a bit depressed. Is there someone

> there you can talk to. It always helps me.

>

>

> Loriann

> Wife to Dewight

> Mom to , 11 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS and

> Celiac Disease.

> , 2 years and Strong Willed

> Both homeschooled.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was talking to you, . I just hope you're alright.

Loriann

Wife to Dewight

Mom to , 11 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS and Celiac Disease.

, 2 years and Strong Willed

Both homeschooled.

[Guest guest]

Well yeah I guess so. I start councling on Monday so

maybe that will help.

--- Loriann <hsmyangels@...> wrote:

> I was talking to you, . I just hope you're

> alright.

>

> Loriann

> Wife to Dewight

> Mom to , 11 years, Down Syndrome, PDD-NOS and

> Celiac Disease.

> , 2 years and Strong Willed

> Both homeschooled.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I have and believe me it was so scary I will forever take good care of

my self. Although I had a dairy queen today knowing that the nasty things

enjoy sugar.

[Guest guest]

I wonder about that I will try it eating properly but sometimes I don't feel

anything in my intestines and to check I will take black walnut and believe

me all of a sudden about hours later I have movement from the worms.

[Guest guest]

I have had the egg sacs and until I read your letter I did not know for sure

what the thing was but sometimes after I do a coffee enema I see some of the

eggs it looks like a small round worm inside. I sometimes feel the crawling

of a worm and I wonder what is it is it air? But now I know for sure it is a

round worm I have seen them. I ordered a product from an Internet pharmacy

called mebendazole is it any good?

[Guest guest]

Angel,

Hi I am so happy I read through because your good news was at the end! You

should always start with the good news to hook us right in!

anyway I am very glad for you and especially ie who will have a great

opportunity to be in inclusion!!!

~ mom to amanda 11 DS and jesse 7

[Guest guest]

Angel,

Hi I am so happy I read through because your good news was at the end! You

should always start with the good news to hook us right in!

anyway I am very glad for you and especially ie who will have a great

opportunity to be in inclusion!!!

~ mom to amanda 11 DS and jesse 7

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/18/01 2:57:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

tsradican@... writes:

> The Protocal has had children recover

> and I am confused which route to go with my boys.

> Thanks.

>

Hi Tammie:

Is this Dr. Goldberg's protocol? With Kutapressin?

Tina

[Guest guest]

is Dr. Goldberg's protocol

In a message dated 10/18/2001 3:05:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

TMS1000@... writes:

> > The Protocal has had children recover

> > and I am confused which route to go with my boys.

> > Thanks.

> >

>

> Hi Tammie:

> Is this Dr. Goldberg's protocol? With Kutapressin?

> Tina

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes.

Tammie

--- TMS1000@... wrote:

> In a message dated 10/18/01 2:57:33 PM Eastern

> Daylight Time,

> tsradican@... writes:

>

>

> > The Protocal has had children recover

> > and I am confused which route to go with my boys.

> > Thanks.

> >

>

> Hi Tammie:

> Is this Dr. Goldberg's protocol? With Kutapressin?

> Tina

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Has anyone done Dr. Goldberg's protocal? It makes

sense to me but so does chelation.

Thanks,

Tammie

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/19/01 12:21:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ccmcphe@... writes:

In August I started to lose some body hair, but it looks like it is trying to grow

back now, except for my head where I am still losing some every day.

Clyde, you're a guy! Do your guy-friends lose hair every day?

Harper

[Guest guest]

I got mildly nauseated <sp> the first 2 weeks on imuran. In August I

started to lose some body hair, but it looks like it is trying to grow

back now, except for my head where I am still losing some every day.

Other than that I feel okay.

-Clyde

[Guest guest]

Hi. I've been investigating various treatments,

alternative and conventional for my girlfriend. She

has a form of Ewing's Sarcoma, she's 25 years old.

Several alternative clinics have had success with

nutrition in combination with hyperthermia/radiation

treatment. Take a look at

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/5443/alts/hytherm.html

I have read that sarcomas react quite well to this in

conjuntion with supplements and nutrition.

Good luck,

Marty

--- kamste@... wrote:

> I have soft tissue sarcoma metastatic in the liver

> doew anyone knows

> atreatment either than chemo?

>

>

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[Guest guest]

You may want to look into Gaston Naessens 714X.

You can contact him from his website .

http://www.cerbe.com/

More information about him below. Gavin.

http://www.naturalhealthline.com/newsletter/15sep01/714x.htm

Government Review of Alternative Cancer Therapy 714X

Goes Forward

© By Chowka

(September 15, 2001) In June  I reported the

remarkable story

of how 714X, the Canadian unconventional cancer

therapy that many people in the U.S. have used, was

suddenly put on the fast track for review by the U.S.

National Cancer Institute (NCI) - after allegations by

patients in Massachusetts and reporting by the media

that promising tests of it had been covered up by the

Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston.

The story has continued to evolve, with the most

recent major development occurring on August 22, 2001.

Just after noon on that day, Cerbe, Inc., the Canadian

company that manufactures and distributes 714X,

formally submitted sixteen detailed case histories of

patients treated with 714X to the NCI. According to

WFXT TV news in Boston (August 22), these are patients

" whose [long-term] survival best demonstrates the

success of 714X. "

On August 23, 714X pioneer and proponent Gaston

Naessens and his wife and business partner Jacinte

Naessens appeared at a press conference in Boston

along with successfully-treated 714X patients. In a

taped report timed to air that week on WFXT,

DeWaele, Cerbe's spokesman, commented, " Anyone of

these cures, from the business point of view, may

threaten an empire [the cancer Establishment]. From

what I've seen, that empire doesn't like to be

threatened. It's a business. They're out there

protecting their assets. "

WFXT, which did ground breaking reporting on 714X and

the alleged cover-up last May, actually presented two

feature follow-up reports about 714X, on its 10 p.m.

newscasts on August 22 and 23. Speaking about his best

case series, Naessens said, " The evidence is there. "

In response to a question about what the NCI had asked

for, Naessens said, " They want the medical file of the

best case we think [know of] would give them an

idea of how the product works. "

The latest 714X developments were also covered by

Boston's CBS affiliate WBZ TV, including a live report

from the 714X press conference on the station's noon

newscast on August 23.

At that press conference, an obviously elated Naessens

said, " The American NCI has opened up the door for us.

So we're going to walk right in. We're happy about

it! " Patients who spoke at the press conference

included Hartley, 14, a compelling advocate

whose terminal cancer was apparently cured by 714X six

years ago.

The NCI's Office of Cancer Complementary and

Alternative Medicine (OCCAM) is conducting the review

of 714X. In May, OCCAM director White, MD told

me that the review of 714X cases, including pathology

slides and radiographic films, would be done in-house

at the NIH's clinical center and would take about a

month. White said that he hoped for a minimum of four

of five cases; sixteen were submitted. That review is

now underway.

After the review, White said, " We'll have to find out

when the next meeting of the CAPCAM - the Cancer

Advisory Panel for Complementary Alternative Medicine

- is and get it [714X] scheduled on the agenda for

CAPCAM review.

" [CAPCAM] will have seen copies of the reports or at

least a summary of the data. And then the individual

cases will be discussed at the meeting, case by case.

And they [CAPCAM panel members] will make their

analysis of each case. We don't put forward case

series that we don't think - that they are going to

just say are garbage (laughs), unless there's some

compelling reason for us to do that. And I would

prefer not to waste time with that. . . We're still

going to make every effort we can to get the best case

series. "

And what comes after the CAPCAM panel's review of the

data, assuming it is positive?

White: " What the panel would do, if they feel that

it's adequate information for them to determine if . .

..there's some suggestive activity here or something

that needs to be followed up, then they would make a

recommendation to the director of of NCCAM [the

National Center for Complementary and Alternative

Medicine] that NCCAM ought to support research in that

area. They may specifically say what kind of research

they are talking about - clinical trial of some type

or they can be as specific as they want to about that.

And then, if that is the recommendation, it's up to

NCCAM to act on it within their other priority areas.

If this is something that they also consider to be -

that they have the resources to deal with, then

they'll work with NCI to figure out the appropriate

mechanism. "

 

Past History Sheds Some Light

The story this year about 714X and its inexorable and

apparently substantial progress through the maze of

the cancer Establishment brings to mind two stories

from the 1970s. When contrasted to the fate of 714X

this year, these past stories show how things have

changed for alternative medicine in the U.S. recently

and constitute yet another indication that a major

corner may finally have been turned in the acceptance

of alternative medicine by the mainstream.

The most obvious comparison is with the controversy

involving the official testing of laetrile at

Sloan-Kettering Institute almost three decades ago. To

put it mildly, the laetrile tests, it has been widely

reported, did not constitute an act of good faith on

the part of the medical Establishment.

Laetrile, a highly controversial, oral and injectible

alternative cancer treatment derived from apricot

kernels, was the most popular alternative cancer

therapy during the 1970s. Early in that decade,

demands by thousands of U.S. cancer patients and

mounting political pressure led the U.S. federal

government to commission prestigious Sloan-Kettering

in New York to test it. The laetrile tests began

quietly in 1973, using cancerous mice. Surprisingly,

the researcher conducting the tests, Kanematsu

Sugiura, PhD, who had worked at Sloan-Kettering for 61

years, found that laetrile appeared to stop the spread

of cancer in the mice. As Sugiura told me in a rare

interview in 1978 (he died in 1979), he considered

laetrile to be significant - " a preventive agent, " a

" palliative, " something that " stops the spread of

cancer. "

Sugiura's positive laetrile test results were not at

all what the U.S. federal government and the

Sloan-Kettering heirarchy expected. In fact, Sugiura's

tests were as politically incorrect as one could get

and potentially incendiary; their publication was

delayed for years until an anti-laetrile researcher

had been brought in to conduct a parallel series of

tests, which not surprisingly turned out negative.

Ultimately, both Sugiura's and the other researcher's

(negative) results were published, side by side in the

Journal of Surgical Oncology in 1978. This highly

unusual tactic was the Establishment's ham-fisted way

back then to " deep six " laetrile.

According to Medical World News, however, 200,000

Americans were " active in the laetrile movement " at

the time and more battles would be fought before -

politically if not scientifically - the Establishment

more or less laid laetrile to rest in the early 1980s.

(Interestingly, laetrile or variants of it continue to

be used to this day at a number of clinics outside of

the U.S.)

Another contrast to 714X in 2001 is apparent in the

story of Chad Green (1977-'79), particularly in the

way that the Boston media reported on that case. Chad

Green was a three years old who lived with his parents

Jerry and in a small community south of Boston.

In 1977 he was diagnosed with leukemia. After careful

research, Chad's parents opted for laetrile metabolic

therapy instead of chemotherapy. In quick succession,

Chad was declared a ward of the state, removed from

his parents' custody, and forced to undergo

chemotherapy. The situation was untenable for the

Greens, a deeply religious and well-motivated couple.

After more than a year of battling state authorities

to no avail, Jerry and , who had regained

physical (but not medical) custody of their son, took

Chad to Mexico for laetrile and other treatments.

Although he appeared to be thriving, Chad died

suddenly in Mexico in October 1979. (An independent

pathologist from the University of California at San

Diego found no evidence that Chad died of cancer and

theorized that the boy might have died from a rare

" heart-nerve blockage. " The boy's grandmother insisted

that this theory of his cause of death was not

incompatible with her view, that Chad had simply died

of " a broken heart " brought about by the stress of

having to leave the United States for some semblance

of medical freedom.)

A painful, touching and deeply personal story, the

Chad Green case played out publicly over the course of

two years. Chad was a major media story, initially in

the Boston area and ultimately nationally. (I counted

thirty different camera crews representing network

news and local television stations at Chad's funeral

in Hastings, Nebraska.) A running theme throughout the

coverage, with the exception of Phil Donahue's

nationally televised talk show that the family

appeared on several times, was that the Greens were

misguided or dangerous in eschewing " proven "

conventional treatments. , MD, a

part-time health reporter for Boston's ABC TV

affiliate WCVB TV at the time, reported frequently -

and critically - on the parents' actions in the case

and soon afterwards made the leap to a full time job

at the network news level.

The quality, persistence, and point of view of most of

the media's coverage of 714X in 2001 stands in stark

contrast to the coverage that Chad Green and his

family were subjected to two decades earlier.

Further developments in the 714X story, meanwhile, are

expected throughout the coming fall and winter.

--- kamste@... wrote:

> I have soft tissue sarcoma metastatic in the liver

> doew anyone knows

> atreatment either than chemo?

>

>

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