Re: (unknown)

[Guest guest]

I give you some of mine!

debby

[ ] (unknown)>Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:51:40 -0400>>Hi everyone,>>I just wanted to let everyone who is having a problem losing weight from >the>Prednisone that there is hope!! Weight has always been one of my huge>problems with the medicine. I gained a total of 40 lbs from it. My >friends>and I tried Weight Watchers. My friend had all the information from when>she joined before and we hold our own little meetings and weigh in once a>week. We pay $2.00 a week and then everyday that we go over our allowed>food points we pay $1.00. We also pay $1.00 when we gain a pound when we>weigh in. In the end we're going to all take the money and go out to eat >or>out on the town one night. So far out of everyone, I've lost the most >(much>to my suprise). Nothing else worked for me at all. I still go to the gym>though. I was 160lbs when I started and now I am 136lbs. We started the>day after the Superbowl, which was in the beginning of February. Not too>bad!! I'm pretty excited!! My goal is to be 125lbs again, which is what I>was before I started the Prednisone. So anybody who wants to lose>weight.....it sure worked for me!! And it's not hard to stick to either. >I>have no disciple to eat good at all, and this was really very easy. I>encourage everyone to try it!! That's all for now!! Good luck!!>>>Philadelphia, PA>>_________________________________________________________________>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.>_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

[Guest guest]

Congratulations! You are doing great!

[ ] (unknown)

Hi everyone,I just wanted to let everyone who is having a problem losing weight from the Prednisone that there is hope!! Weight has always been one of my huge problems with the medicine. I gained a total of 40 lbs from it. My friends and I tried Weight Watchers. My friend had all the information from when she joined before and we hold our own little meetings and weigh in once a week. We pay $2.00 a week and then everyday that we go over our allowed food points we pay $1.00. We also pay $1.00 when we gain a pound when we weigh in. In the end we're going to all take the money and go out to eat or out on the town one night. So far out of everyone, I've lost the most (much to my suprise). Nothing else worked for me at all. I still go to the gym though. I was 160lbs when I started and now I am 136lbs. We started the day after the Superbowl, which was in the beginning of February. Not too bad!! I'm pretty excited!! My goal is to be 125lbs again, which is what I was before I started the Prednisone. So anybody who wants to lose weight.....it sure worked for me!! And it's not hard to stick to either. I have no disciple to eat good at all, and this was really very easy. I encourage everyone to try it!! That's all for now!! Good luck!!Philadelphia, PA_________________________________________________________________Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'll gladly give you some. Wish I could:)

Ruth

> I give you some of mine!

> debby

> [ ] (unknown)

> >Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 16:51:40 -0400

> >

> >Hi everyone,

> >

> >I just wanted to let everyone who is having a problem losing

weight from

> >the

> >Prednisone that there is hope!! Weight has always been one of

my huge

> >problems with the medicine. I gained a total of 40 lbs from

it. My

> >friends

> >and I tried Weight Watchers. My friend had all the information

from when

> >she joined before and we hold our own little meetings and weigh

in once a

> >week. We pay $2.00 a week and then everyday that we go over our

allowed

> >food points we pay $1.00. We also pay $1.00 when we gain a

pound when we

> >weigh in. In the end we're going to all take the money and go

out to eat

> >or

> >out on the town one night. So far out of everyone, I've lost

the most

> >(much

> >to my suprise). Nothing else worked for me at all. I still go

to the gym

> >though. I was 160lbs when I started and now I am 136lbs. We

started the

> >day after the Superbowl, which was in the beginning of

February. Not too

> >bad!! I'm pretty excited!! My goal is to be 125lbs again,

which is what I

> >was before I started the Prednisone. So anybody who wants to

lose

> >weight.....it sure worked for me!! And it's not hard to stick

to either.

> >I

> >have no disciple to eat good at all, and this was really very

easy. I

> >encourage everyone to try it!! That's all for now!! Good luck!!

> >

> >

> >Philadelphia, PA

> >

> >_________________________________________________________________

> >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

> >

>

>

>

>

> _________________________________________________________________

> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I am so glad to hear your good news.. Keep up the good work and recouperate.. !!

I don't post often, but was thinking of you.

Lyn in Ark

katydid562002 <katydid562002@...> wrote: Hi Everyone, I'm home! Got to come home on Monday. 2 days sooner than anticipated. The operation was a success. They essentially rerouted half of my venous circulation through the kidney vein back to the vena cava bypassing the liver. My platelets are 66 at last reading. They haven't been that high for 6 years! My friend had to go home yesterday so I am on my own for the first time today. Still have a heck of a tummy ache! Am trying to get through my E-mail. I want to thank everyone. I talked to a member when I was in ICU at the University of Washington. I was on a narcotic that I wasn't tolerating so I don't remember who she was. I hung up when the doctor came in. I wish I had another two hours to talk to her. She was newly diagnosed. The last 14 years haven't been bad and they say that everything is flowing well and it may be another 10 years before a transplant. I had a Distal spleno renal shunt. Please feel free to ask questions. Going into surgery I felt wrapped in a cocoon of love and support...it was awsome. Thanks to you all. I'm a bit lost now and overwhelmed but I know things will get better. They did a liver biopsy while they were there and I go in Tuesday to have my staples out and more tests. Thanks again. Love and Blessings... from Washington State.

[Guest guest]

Rad

I have never looked through the entire index. . . maybe you can find an answer

here

http://www.allabouthome.com/directories/dir_cleaning.html

Kathy

(unknown)

I had a question. Do you know how to get permanent

marker, like a visa visa pen out of a car seat

material.

(rad)

=====

Since I don't have a silly one. My AOL IM chat symbol is a batman symbol.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

> Rad

> I have never looked through the entire index. . . maybe you can

find an answer

> here

> http://www.allabouthome.com/directories/dir_cleaning.html

>

> Kathy

Hi Kathy,

Great cleaning tips, hee hee. Guess which one I was curious on? Well,

close enough, its under the cleaning after the pet. You know with the

accidents on the carpet with the number 1. Not that Stevie is a pet

but I'm pretty sure the tips is worth a trial. Thanks.

Irma,13,DS/ASD

[Guest guest]

That's a good site for anything

(rad)

--- mum592001 <ICANFIELD@...> wrote:

>

> > Rad

> > I have never looked through the entire index. . .

> maybe you can

> find an answer

> > here

> >

>

http://www.allabouthome.com/directories/dir_cleaning.html

> >

> > Kathy

>

> Hi Kathy,

> Great cleaning tips, hee hee. Guess which one I was

> curious on? Well,

> close enough, its under the cleaning after the pet.

> You know with the

> accidents on the carpet with the number 1. Not that

> Stevie is a pet

> but I'm pretty sure the tips is worth a trial.

> Thanks.

> Irma,13,DS/ASD

>

>

=====

Since I don't have a silly one. My AOL IM chat symbol is a batman symbol.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Darn right it can and it is somewhat of the talking points I just recieved

from the ACA's govermental affairs today. I will be sending this out to the

field in the form of a ACA Legislative Alert! and with the contact

information for all of our congressmen and women. We are going to need to

have our Medicare patients also call and fax letters to our folks in

Washington DC.

Vern Saboe, DC

ACA Delegate (Oregon)

(unknown)

> Vern,

>

> The same article can be used in Washington, DC to support the proposed

> Medicare legislation.

>

> DeSiena

>

>

> OregonDCs rules:

> 1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to

foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve

members will be tolerated.

> 2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.

> 3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere.

However, it is against the rules of the listserve to copy, print, forward,

or otherwise distribute correspondence written by another member without his

or her consent, unless all personal identifiers have been removed.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/2/02 9:47:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

outerspace@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Rad

> I have never looked through the entire index. . . maybe you can find an

> answer

> here

> http://www.allabouthome.com/directories/dir_cleaning.html

>

Cool site Kathy. And , it says hair spray will remove magic marker.

Donna

[Guest guest]

,

So glad you're home and doing well. If we can offer any support just let us

know. I know what it's like to see that platelet count go up. Mine is now

in the 70 range. Higher than its been in months. So I'm as excited for you

as anyone. Keep up the good work and try to take care. Being alone can be

frightening so let us know if we can help. Always someone here to talk to

you.

WELCOME HOME!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/4/2002 6:46:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

e_shawley@... writes:

>

THAT was too funny!!!! It's refreshing to see a NEWBEE on here with such a

wonderful sense of humor... not to put down anyone here, but your wit about

this " terror creepy thing " ie... candidiasis, is helpful and funny! Please

keep up the humor and maybe we can all deal with this in a much stronger

fight, than half alive and " just getting through it " without any humor

whatsoever... I'm grateful to read your story and as you said, sorry you have

this fight to deal with but if we have to fight, it's nice to know " humor "

can live THROUGH OUT... )

Michele*

[Guest guest]

Dear " Iscalera " and everyone else ,

I am new to this group also. I have been enjoying reading the

various " posts. " I can identify with the various school problems and it

feels comforting to know that I am not the only one who is waiting

tensely (before anything else happens) until the school year ends. I

have an eight year old son who has just come down with full blown OCD,

which we think was aggravated by a stressful school situation.

You asked about medication which I can't help you with as I would

only use it as a last resort in a child. I have been doing a lot of

reading lately (this forum plus any book I can find).

Tamar Chansky's book, Freeing Your Child from Obsessive

Compulsive Disorder is excellent. Today I was reading somewhat technical

(but worth the effort) articles off of " OCD Online " website. This is a

website put together by a Dr. on, who is a cognitive

therapist. He has a large clinic and he is in the New York area.

The lesson for me today (from my reading) is that we are helping

our child when we let them experience anxiety. My son will ask

repeatedly for reassurance. He will apologize when he hasn't done

anything (because he gets an image of some minor mistake that he has made

in the past and this causes him anxiety). Yesterday when he did this, I

just said quietly (we were at a Mrs. Field's cookie shop), " don't let it

boss you around. " I think he felt empowered (this is a technique from

Chansky if I'm using it right) and we went and sat down and ate our

cookies.

Today, he was asking me repeatedly if I loved him. It was an

" OCD " type of questioning. I did--what I never like to do with children

(because I remember when I was a kid how I used to hate it when adults

would ignore me)-- I didn't respond. This caused him anxiety--but this

was what he was supposed to feel. What he was getting was what

behaviorists call an " exposure. " My son tried to get a little

bossy and then tried to bribe me with a cookie, but I said nothing.

About a half hour later I gave him special check mark and positive

reinforcement for sitting through that anxiety.

Tomorrow and I are going to see a cognitive behavioral

psychologist who was trained at UCLA. She knows Chansky and she knows

March's work. I have been trying to get help for about a

month, and she will be the third therapist. we will have seen. I want

someone who is excellent and who knows this stuff. We are driving about

sixty miles into L.A. to see her--but I feel it is worth it. I feel I am

helping to save my son's life.

When I read Chansky's book, I wanted to go to Philadelphia.

It is hard to find therapists who are properly trained in this

area and who will work with children. I think there is a factory system

with children these days and medications. It is easier to put children

(with their developing brains) on medications than it is to do the hard

work of good cognitive behavioral therapy. Medication might be necesary

for some children--but I have heard that when the child goes off of it,

then the symptoms come back. I would rather my son be empowered with

skills to confront and face OCD--which he can then use his whole life.

I wish you and your son the best of luck and understand when you

say he is frustrated by the " impulses " to touch and with even numbers. My

son is going through this also. I wish your son and you best of luck. I

hope you are able to find the medication and therapy that will work best

for your son.

Sincerely,

Alyssa

On Mon, 06 May 2002 02:08:10 -0000 " lscalera "

writes:

> I am new to this as I am a parent of a child who has OCD. I would

> really like to speak to any parent who has some information

> regarding

> medications that have worked for their child. My son, who is 10,

> has

> not had any luck with any meds because he seems to get the side

> effects that they come with. It there is one to be had, my son

> gets

> it. He is presently on Celexa, 10mg for 3 months. When we

> attempted

> to up the dose slowly, 12mg...he became extremely hyper, non-stop.

>

> He was diagnosed with ADHD at first when he was 6, but the OCD just

>

> seems to be more prevalent. We just started Cognitive Therapy, and

>

> hoping that it will help. He is extremely frustrated with his

> impulses, (touches things over and over, in even #s, to the point

> where it is so hard for him to concentrate. When he is involved in

>

> activities though, he dosent seem to have the OCD symptoms. They

> come out when he worries or is nervous about something.

> I would appreciate any information that any parent can give me, also

>

> it would nice to talk to someone who understands what we are going

> through. I am in the the NY area, so if anyone can add what drs or

>

> therapists too that they have had luck with, it would be greatly

> appreciated. Thanks...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear " Iscalera " and everyone else ,

I am new to this group also. I have been enjoying reading the

various " posts. " I can identify with the various school problems and it

feels comforting to know that I am not the only one who is waiting

tensely (before anything else happens) until the school year ends. I

have an eight year old son who has just come down with full blown OCD,

which we think was aggravated by a stressful school situation.

You asked about medication which I can't help you with as I would

only use it as a last resort in a child. I have been doing a lot of

reading lately (this forum plus any book I can find).

Tamar Chansky's book, Freeing Your Child from Obsessive

Compulsive Disorder is excellent. Today I was reading somewhat technical

(but worth the effort) articles off of " OCD Online " website. This is a

website put together by a Dr. on, who is a cognitive

therapist. He has a large clinic and he is in the New York area.

The lesson for me today (from my reading) is that we are helping

our child when we let them experience anxiety. My son will ask

repeatedly for reassurance. He will apologize when he hasn't done

anything (because he gets an image of some minor mistake that he has made

in the past and this causes him anxiety). Yesterday when he did this, I

just said quietly (we were at a Mrs. Field's cookie shop), " don't let it

boss you around. " I think he felt empowered (this is a technique from

Chansky if I'm using it right) and we went and sat down and ate our

cookies.

Today, he was asking me repeatedly if I loved him. It was an

" OCD " type of questioning. I did--what I never like to do with children

(because I remember when I was a kid how I used to hate it when adults

would ignore me)-- I didn't respond. This caused him anxiety--but this

was what he was supposed to feel. What he was getting was what

behaviorists call an " exposure. " My son tried to get a little

bossy and then tried to bribe me with a cookie, but I said nothing.

About a half hour later I gave him special check mark and positive

reinforcement for sitting through that anxiety.

Tomorrow and I are going to see a cognitive behavioral

psychologist who was trained at UCLA. She knows Chansky and she knows

March's work. I have been trying to get help for about a

month, and she will be the third therapist. we will have seen. I want

someone who is excellent and who knows this stuff. We are driving about

sixty miles into L.A. to see her--but I feel it is worth it. I feel I am

helping to save my son's life.

When I read Chansky's book, I wanted to go to Philadelphia.

It is hard to find therapists who are properly trained in this

area and who will work with children. I think there is a factory system

with children these days and medications. It is easier to put children

(with their developing brains) on medications than it is to do the hard

work of good cognitive behavioral therapy. Medication might be necesary

for some children--but I have heard that when the child goes off of it,

then the symptoms come back. I would rather my son be empowered with

skills to confront and face OCD--which he can then use his whole life.

I wish you and your son the best of luck and understand when you

say he is frustrated by the " impulses " to touch and with even numbers. My

son is going through this also. I wish your son and you best of luck. I

hope you are able to find the medication and therapy that will work best

for your son.

Sincerely,

Alyssa

On Mon, 06 May 2002 02:08:10 -0000 " lscalera "

writes:

> I am new to this as I am a parent of a child who has OCD. I would

> really like to speak to any parent who has some information

> regarding

> medications that have worked for their child. My son, who is 10,

> has

> not had any luck with any meds because he seems to get the side

> effects that they come with. It there is one to be had, my son

> gets

> it. He is presently on Celexa, 10mg for 3 months. When we

> attempted

> to up the dose slowly, 12mg...he became extremely hyper, non-stop.

>

> He was diagnosed with ADHD at first when he was 6, but the OCD just

>

> seems to be more prevalent. We just started Cognitive Therapy, and

>

> hoping that it will help. He is extremely frustrated with his

> impulses, (touches things over and over, in even #s, to the point

> where it is so hard for him to concentrate. When he is involved in

>

> activities though, he dosent seem to have the OCD symptoms. They

> come out when he worries or is nervous about something.

> I would appreciate any information that any parent can give me, also

>

> it would nice to talk to someone who understands what we are going

> through. I am in the the NY area, so if anyone can add what drs or

>

> therapists too that they have had luck with, it would be greatly

> appreciated. Thanks...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear " Iscalera " and everyone else ,

I am new to this group also. I have been enjoying reading the

various " posts. " I can identify with the various school problems and it

feels comforting to know that I am not the only one who is waiting

tensely (before anything else happens) until the school year ends. I

have an eight year old son who has just come down with full blown OCD,

which we think was aggravated by a stressful school situation.

You asked about medication which I can't help you with as I would

only use it as a last resort in a child. I have been doing a lot of

reading lately (this forum plus any book I can find).

Tamar Chansky's book, Freeing Your Child from Obsessive

Compulsive Disorder is excellent. Today I was reading somewhat technical

(but worth the effort) articles off of " OCD Online " website. This is a

website put together by a Dr. on, who is a cognitive

therapist. He has a large clinic and he is in the New York area.

The lesson for me today (from my reading) is that we are helping

our child when we let them experience anxiety. My son will ask

repeatedly for reassurance. He will apologize when he hasn't done

anything (because he gets an image of some minor mistake that he has made

in the past and this causes him anxiety). Yesterday when he did this, I

just said quietly (we were at a Mrs. Field's cookie shop), " don't let it

boss you around. " I think he felt empowered (this is a technique from

Chansky if I'm using it right) and we went and sat down and ate our

cookies.

Today, he was asking me repeatedly if I loved him. It was an

" OCD " type of questioning. I did--what I never like to do with children

(because I remember when I was a kid how I used to hate it when adults

would ignore me)-- I didn't respond. This caused him anxiety--but this

was what he was supposed to feel. What he was getting was what

behaviorists call an " exposure. " My son tried to get a little

bossy and then tried to bribe me with a cookie, but I said nothing.

About a half hour later I gave him special check mark and positive

reinforcement for sitting through that anxiety.

Tomorrow and I are going to see a cognitive behavioral

psychologist who was trained at UCLA. She knows Chansky and she knows

March's work. I have been trying to get help for about a

month, and she will be the third therapist. we will have seen. I want

someone who is excellent and who knows this stuff. We are driving about

sixty miles into L.A. to see her--but I feel it is worth it. I feel I am

helping to save my son's life.

When I read Chansky's book, I wanted to go to Philadelphia.

It is hard to find therapists who are properly trained in this

area and who will work with children. I think there is a factory system

with children these days and medications. It is easier to put children

(with their developing brains) on medications than it is to do the hard

work of good cognitive behavioral therapy. Medication might be necesary

for some children--but I have heard that when the child goes off of it,

then the symptoms come back. I would rather my son be empowered with

skills to confront and face OCD--which he can then use his whole life.

I wish you and your son the best of luck and understand when you

say he is frustrated by the " impulses " to touch and with even numbers. My

son is going through this also. I wish your son and you best of luck. I

hope you are able to find the medication and therapy that will work best

for your son.

Sincerely,

Alyssa

On Mon, 06 May 2002 02:08:10 -0000 " lscalera "

writes:

> I am new to this as I am a parent of a child who has OCD. I would

> really like to speak to any parent who has some information

> regarding

> medications that have worked for their child. My son, who is 10,

> has

> not had any luck with any meds because he seems to get the side

> effects that they come with. It there is one to be had, my son

> gets

> it. He is presently on Celexa, 10mg for 3 months. When we

> attempted

> to up the dose slowly, 12mg...he became extremely hyper, non-stop.

>

> He was diagnosed with ADHD at first when he was 6, but the OCD just

>

> seems to be more prevalent. We just started Cognitive Therapy, and

>

> hoping that it will help. He is extremely frustrated with his

> impulses, (touches things over and over, in even #s, to the point

> where it is so hard for him to concentrate. When he is involved in

>

> activities though, he dosent seem to have the OCD symptoms. They

> come out when he worries or is nervous about something.

> I would appreciate any information that any parent can give me, also

>

> it would nice to talk to someone who understands what we are going

> through. I am in the the NY area, so if anyone can add what drs or

>

> therapists too that they have had luck with, it would be greatly

> appreciated. Thanks...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I too have a 10 yr old son (soon to be 11) with OCD and has been on Zoloft

for over 2 years now and is in therapy. It has been a really slow process

but we have made much progress. He also has other medical issues which get

in the way of his recovering from the OCD ... allergies and asthma....and the

two of them really play on his OCD. When his asthma gets cranked up ... then

his OCD goes haywire. He obsesses about his breathing and is afraid of dying

from a reaction. It's very hard somedays but I have to say we have come a

long way. I'm currently reading a book called Freeing Your Child from

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder that someone in the group recommended to me.

It's written by Tamar Chansky and it has really helped me. Get this if you

can ... it will be a great help to you and your son. As far as the Zoloft is

concerned, we're not really sure that it has helped much either. He's been

on as high as 150mg and we are now slowly weaning him off to see how he does.

He feels that the progress he has made has been mostly from the therapy so

we are trying to go drug free for the summer to see how he does while school

is out. I do feel that the medication helped him until the therapy was in

place however. I'm learning the hard way that there isn't a magical answer

for what is right for my child but we are struggling hard to find what works

and it has gotten much, much better and it will for you too. You're headed

in the right direction just by getting him help. One thing though ... check

with your therapist and see if the manuel they are following to treat your

son is the work of Dr. March and Mulle. This is the state of the

art treatment for OCD in children and it's the manual that our pshychologist

follows. Good luck.

glenda in NC

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I too have a 10 yr old son (soon to be 11) with OCD and has been on Zoloft

for over 2 years now and is in therapy. It has been a really slow process

but we have made much progress. He also has other medical issues which get

in the way of his recovering from the OCD ... allergies and asthma....and the

two of them really play on his OCD. When his asthma gets cranked up ... then

his OCD goes haywire. He obsesses about his breathing and is afraid of dying

from a reaction. It's very hard somedays but I have to say we have come a

long way. I'm currently reading a book called Freeing Your Child from

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder that someone in the group recommended to me.

It's written by Tamar Chansky and it has really helped me. Get this if you

can ... it will be a great help to you and your son. As far as the Zoloft is

concerned, we're not really sure that it has helped much either. He's been

on as high as 150mg and we are now slowly weaning him off to see how he does.

He feels that the progress he has made has been mostly from the therapy so

we are trying to go drug free for the summer to see how he does while school

is out. I do feel that the medication helped him until the therapy was in

place however. I'm learning the hard way that there isn't a magical answer

for what is right for my child but we are struggling hard to find what works

and it has gotten much, much better and it will for you too. You're headed

in the right direction just by getting him help. One thing though ... check

with your therapist and see if the manuel they are following to treat your

son is the work of Dr. March and Mulle. This is the state of the

art treatment for OCD in children and it's the manual that our pshychologist

follows. Good luck.

glenda in NC

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I too have a 10 yr old son (soon to be 11) with OCD and has been on Zoloft

for over 2 years now and is in therapy. It has been a really slow process

but we have made much progress. He also has other medical issues which get

in the way of his recovering from the OCD ... allergies and asthma....and the

two of them really play on his OCD. When his asthma gets cranked up ... then

his OCD goes haywire. He obsesses about his breathing and is afraid of dying

from a reaction. It's very hard somedays but I have to say we have come a

long way. I'm currently reading a book called Freeing Your Child from

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder that someone in the group recommended to me.

It's written by Tamar Chansky and it has really helped me. Get this if you

can ... it will be a great help to you and your son. As far as the Zoloft is

concerned, we're not really sure that it has helped much either. He's been

on as high as 150mg and we are now slowly weaning him off to see how he does.

He feels that the progress he has made has been mostly from the therapy so

we are trying to go drug free for the summer to see how he does while school

is out. I do feel that the medication helped him until the therapy was in

place however. I'm learning the hard way that there isn't a magical answer

for what is right for my child but we are struggling hard to find what works

and it has gotten much, much better and it will for you too. You're headed

in the right direction just by getting him help. One thing though ... check

with your therapist and see if the manuel they are following to treat your

son is the work of Dr. March and Mulle. This is the state of the

art treatment for OCD in children and it's the manual that our pshychologist

follows. Good luck.

glenda in NC

[Guest guest]

dear everyone, im also new to this group, i have a 10 year old son, who was

diagnosised with ocd in feb, me and my husband knew something was going on for

almost a year, but tried to talk to him, we were iliterate on the subject, we

feel horrible, is now on 75 miligrams of zoloft daily and is attending therapy

sessions every 10 days, we seem to be getting no where, he was also diagnosised

with depression and generalized anxiety disorder, if you have time, i would like

all the help i can get,

thank you

rondy

Re: (unknown)

Dear " Iscalera " and everyone else ,

I am new to this group also. I have been enjoying reading the

various " posts. " I can identify with the various school problems and it

feels comforting to know that I am not the only one who is waiting

tensely (before anything else happens) until the school year ends. I

have an eight year old son who has just come down with full blown OCD,

which we think was aggravated by a stressful school situation.

You asked about medication which I can't help you with as I would

only use it as a last resort in a child. I have been doing a lot of

reading lately (this forum plus any book I can find).

Tamar Chansky's book, Freeing Your Child from Obsessive

Compulsive Disorder is excellent. Today I was reading somewhat technical

(but worth the effort) articles off of " OCD Online " website. This is a

website put together by a Dr. on, who is a cognitive

therapist. He has a large clinic and he is in the New York area.

The lesson for me today (from my reading) is that we are helping

our child when we let them experience anxiety. My son will ask

repeatedly for reassurance. He will apologize when he hasn't done

anything (because he gets an image of some minor mistake that he has made

in the past and this causes him anxiety). Yesterday when he did this, I

just said quietly (we were at a Mrs. Field's cookie shop), " don't let it

boss you around. " I think he felt empowered (this is a technique from

Chansky if I'm using it right) and we went and sat down and ate our

cookies.

Today, he was asking me repeatedly if I loved him. It was an

" OCD " type of questioning. I did--what I never like to do with children

(because I remember when I was a kid how I used to hate it when adults

would ignore me)-- I didn't respond. This caused him anxiety--but this

was what he was supposed to feel. What he was getting was what

behaviorists call an " exposure. " My son tried to get a little

bossy and then tried to bribe me with a cookie, but I said nothing.

About a half hour later I gave him special check mark and positive

reinforcement for sitting through that anxiety.

Tomorrow and I are going to see a cognitive behavioral

psychologist who was trained at UCLA. She knows Chansky and she knows

March's work. I have been trying to get help for about a

month, and she will be the third therapist. we will have seen. I want

someone who is excellent and who knows this stuff. We are driving about

sixty miles into L.A. to see her--but I feel it is worth it. I feel I am

helping to save my son's life.

When I read Chansky's book, I wanted to go to Philadelphia.

It is hard to find therapists who are properly trained in this

area and who will work with children. I think there is a factory system

with children these days and medications. It is easier to put children

(with their developing brains) on medications than it is to do the hard

work of good cognitive behavioral therapy. Medication might be necesary

for some children--but I have heard that when the child goes off of it,

then the symptoms come back. I would rather my son be empowered with

skills to confront and face OCD--which he can then use his whole life.

I wish you and your son the best of luck and understand when you

say he is frustrated by the " impulses " to touch and with even numbers. My

son is going through this also. I wish your son and you best of luck. I

hope you are able to find the medication and therapy that will work best

for your son.

Sincerely,

Alyssa

On Mon, 06 May 2002 02:08:10 -0000 " lscalera "

writes:

> I am new to this as I am a parent of a child who has OCD. I would

> really like to speak to any parent who has some information

> regarding

> medications that have worked for their child. My son, who is 10,

> has

> not had any luck with any meds because he seems to get the side

> effects that they come with. It there is one to be had, my son

> gets

> it. He is presently on Celexa, 10mg for 3 months. When we

> attempted

> to up the dose slowly, 12mg...he became extremely hyper, non-stop.

>

> He was diagnosed with ADHD at first when he was 6, but the OCD just

>

> seems to be more prevalent. We just started Cognitive Therapy, and

>

> hoping that it will help. He is extremely frustrated with his

> impulses, (touches things over and over, in even #s, to the point

> where it is so hard for him to concentrate. When he is involved in

>

> activities though, he dosent seem to have the OCD symptoms. They

> come out when he worries or is nervous about something.

> I would appreciate any information that any parent can give me, also

>

> it would nice to talk to someone who understands what we are going

> through. I am in the the NY area, so if anyone can add what drs or

>

> therapists too that they have had luck with, it would be greatly

> appreciated. Thanks...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

dear everyone, im also new to this group, i have a 10 year old son, who was

diagnosised with ocd in feb, me and my husband knew something was going on for

almost a year, but tried to talk to him, we were iliterate on the subject, we

feel horrible, is now on 75 miligrams of zoloft daily and is attending therapy

sessions every 10 days, we seem to be getting no where, he was also diagnosised

with depression and generalized anxiety disorder, if you have time, i would like

all the help i can get,

thank you

rondy

Re: (unknown)

Dear " Iscalera " and everyone else ,

I am new to this group also. I have been enjoying reading the

various " posts. " I can identify with the various school problems and it

feels comforting to know that I am not the only one who is waiting

tensely (before anything else happens) until the school year ends. I

have an eight year old son who has just come down with full blown OCD,

which we think was aggravated by a stressful school situation.

You asked about medication which I can't help you with as I would

only use it as a last resort in a child. I have been doing a lot of

reading lately (this forum plus any book I can find).

Tamar Chansky's book, Freeing Your Child from Obsessive

Compulsive Disorder is excellent. Today I was reading somewhat technical

(but worth the effort) articles off of " OCD Online " website. This is a

website put together by a Dr. on, who is a cognitive

therapist. He has a large clinic and he is in the New York area.

The lesson for me today (from my reading) is that we are helping

our child when we let them experience anxiety. My son will ask

repeatedly for reassurance. He will apologize when he hasn't done

anything (because he gets an image of some minor mistake that he has made

in the past and this causes him anxiety). Yesterday when he did this, I

just said quietly (we were at a Mrs. Field's cookie shop), " don't let it

boss you around. " I think he felt empowered (this is a technique from

Chansky if I'm using it right) and we went and sat down and ate our

cookies.

Today, he was asking me repeatedly if I loved him. It was an

" OCD " type of questioning. I did--what I never like to do with children

(because I remember when I was a kid how I used to hate it when adults

would ignore me)-- I didn't respond. This caused him anxiety--but this

was what he was supposed to feel. What he was getting was what

behaviorists call an " exposure. " My son tried to get a little

bossy and then tried to bribe me with a cookie, but I said nothing.

About a half hour later I gave him special check mark and positive

reinforcement for sitting through that anxiety.

Tomorrow and I are going to see a cognitive behavioral

psychologist who was trained at UCLA. She knows Chansky and she knows

March's work. I have been trying to get help for about a

month, and she will be the third therapist. we will have seen. I want

someone who is excellent and who knows this stuff. We are driving about

sixty miles into L.A. to see her--but I feel it is worth it. I feel I am

helping to save my son's life.

When I read Chansky's book, I wanted to go to Philadelphia.

It is hard to find therapists who are properly trained in this

area and who will work with children. I think there is a factory system

with children these days and medications. It is easier to put children

(with their developing brains) on medications than it is to do the hard

work of good cognitive behavioral therapy. Medication might be necesary

for some children--but I have heard that when the child goes off of it,

then the symptoms come back. I would rather my son be empowered with

skills to confront and face OCD--which he can then use his whole life.

I wish you and your son the best of luck and understand when you

say he is frustrated by the " impulses " to touch and with even numbers. My

son is going through this also. I wish your son and you best of luck. I

hope you are able to find the medication and therapy that will work best

for your son.

Sincerely,

Alyssa

On Mon, 06 May 2002 02:08:10 -0000 " lscalera "

writes:

> I am new to this as I am a parent of a child who has OCD. I would

> really like to speak to any parent who has some information

> regarding

> medications that have worked for their child. My son, who is 10,

> has

> not had any luck with any meds because he seems to get the side

> effects that they come with. It there is one to be had, my son

> gets

> it. He is presently on Celexa, 10mg for 3 months. When we

> attempted

> to up the dose slowly, 12mg...he became extremely hyper, non-stop.

>

> He was diagnosed with ADHD at first when he was 6, but the OCD just

>

> seems to be more prevalent. We just started Cognitive Therapy, and

>

> hoping that it will help. He is extremely frustrated with his

> impulses, (touches things over and over, in even #s, to the point

> where it is so hard for him to concentrate. When he is involved in

>

> activities though, he dosent seem to have the OCD symptoms. They

> come out when he worries or is nervous about something.

> I would appreciate any information that any parent can give me, also

>

> it would nice to talk to someone who understands what we are going

> through. I am in the the NY area, so if anyone can add what drs or

>

> therapists too that they have had luck with, it would be greatly

> appreciated. Thanks...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

dear everyone, im also new to this group, i have a 10 year old son, who was

diagnosised with ocd in feb, me and my husband knew something was going on for

almost a year, but tried to talk to him, we were iliterate on the subject, we

feel horrible, is now on 75 miligrams of zoloft daily and is attending therapy

sessions every 10 days, we seem to be getting no where, he was also diagnosised

with depression and generalized anxiety disorder, if you have time, i would like

all the help i can get,

thank you

rondy

Re: (unknown)

Dear " Iscalera " and everyone else ,

I am new to this group also. I have been enjoying reading the

various " posts. " I can identify with the various school problems and it

feels comforting to know that I am not the only one who is waiting

tensely (before anything else happens) until the school year ends. I

have an eight year old son who has just come down with full blown OCD,

which we think was aggravated by a stressful school situation.

You asked about medication which I can't help you with as I would

only use it as a last resort in a child. I have been doing a lot of

reading lately (this forum plus any book I can find).

Tamar Chansky's book, Freeing Your Child from Obsessive

Compulsive Disorder is excellent. Today I was reading somewhat technical

(but worth the effort) articles off of " OCD Online " website. This is a

website put together by a Dr. on, who is a cognitive

therapist. He has a large clinic and he is in the New York area.

The lesson for me today (from my reading) is that we are helping

our child when we let them experience anxiety. My son will ask

repeatedly for reassurance. He will apologize when he hasn't done

anything (because he gets an image of some minor mistake that he has made

in the past and this causes him anxiety). Yesterday when he did this, I

just said quietly (we were at a Mrs. Field's cookie shop), " don't let it

boss you around. " I think he felt empowered (this is a technique from

Chansky if I'm using it right) and we went and sat down and ate our

cookies.

Today, he was asking me repeatedly if I loved him. It was an

" OCD " type of questioning. I did--what I never like to do with children

(because I remember when I was a kid how I used to hate it when adults

would ignore me)-- I didn't respond. This caused him anxiety--but this

was what he was supposed to feel. What he was getting was what

behaviorists call an " exposure. " My son tried to get a little

bossy and then tried to bribe me with a cookie, but I said nothing.

About a half hour later I gave him special check mark and positive

reinforcement for sitting through that anxiety.

Tomorrow and I are going to see a cognitive behavioral

psychologist who was trained at UCLA. She knows Chansky and she knows

March's work. I have been trying to get help for about a

month, and she will be the third therapist. we will have seen. I want

someone who is excellent and who knows this stuff. We are driving about

sixty miles into L.A. to see her--but I feel it is worth it. I feel I am

helping to save my son's life.

When I read Chansky's book, I wanted to go to Philadelphia.

It is hard to find therapists who are properly trained in this

area and who will work with children. I think there is a factory system

with children these days and medications. It is easier to put children

(with their developing brains) on medications than it is to do the hard

work of good cognitive behavioral therapy. Medication might be necesary

for some children--but I have heard that when the child goes off of it,

then the symptoms come back. I would rather my son be empowered with

skills to confront and face OCD--which he can then use his whole life.

I wish you and your son the best of luck and understand when you

say he is frustrated by the " impulses " to touch and with even numbers. My

son is going through this also. I wish your son and you best of luck. I

hope you are able to find the medication and therapy that will work best

for your son.

Sincerely,

Alyssa

On Mon, 06 May 2002 02:08:10 -0000 " lscalera "

writes:

> I am new to this as I am a parent of a child who has OCD. I would

> really like to speak to any parent who has some information

> regarding

> medications that have worked for their child. My son, who is 10,

> has

> not had any luck with any meds because he seems to get the side

> effects that they come with. It there is one to be had, my son

> gets

> it. He is presently on Celexa, 10mg for 3 months. When we

> attempted

> to up the dose slowly, 12mg...he became extremely hyper, non-stop.

>

> He was diagnosed with ADHD at first when he was 6, but the OCD just

>

> seems to be more prevalent. We just started Cognitive Therapy, and

>

> hoping that it will help. He is extremely frustrated with his

> impulses, (touches things over and over, in even #s, to the point

> where it is so hard for him to concentrate. When he is involved in

>

> activities though, he dosent seem to have the OCD symptoms. They

> come out when he worries or is nervous about something.

> I would appreciate any information that any parent can give me, also

>

> it would nice to talk to someone who understands what we are going

> through. I am in the the NY area, so if anyone can add what drs or

>

> therapists too that they have had luck with, it would be greatly

> appreciated. Thanks...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks and Hope you had a Great Mother's Day!!!!!!:):)Tree:):) (unknown) Hiya ((((friends))))..just wanted to wish all the mothers on here an earlyHAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!!!!!! We are going to visit my mom for the weekend andshe lives about 3 hrs from me. So i am sure when i get home..i will have abunch of post to read..lol!So all have a great, safe, and painless weekend!!!!!Yall will be in mythoughts!!!!karen(tab17..poly)_________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos:http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

[Guest guest]

Have a SAVE TRIP !

and to all the wonderful MOM'S out there, I just want to take a moment to say, Happ Mothers' Day! to all.....

She raises in the morning her love fille with love, her hands ready to toil.

Laboring through out the day to see to the meeds of her loved ones.

Undaunted by interruptions she carries out her tasks at hand.

A scraped knee, a bruised elbow their first broken heart.

Ever incompusing is the love of a Mothers' Heart!

So to all you Beautiful Ladies, I bow my head in awe and sing a song of praise for you on this joyous Mother's Day!

On Fri, 10 May 2002 07:31:46 -0400 "karens tribe" <nutsomom5@...> writes:

Hiya ((((friends))))..just wanted to wish all the mothers on here an early HAPPY MOTHERS DAY!!!!!!! We are going to visit my mom for the weekend and she lives about 3 hrs from me. So i am sure when i get home..i will have a bunch of post to read..lol!So all have a great, safe, and painless weekend!!!!!Yall will be in my thoughts!!!!karen(tab17..poly)_________________________________________________________________MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

[Guest guest]

HAPPY MOTHERS DAY back at you lolol Robbin

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/10/2002 6:04:34 AM Central Daylight Time,

s_bachrach@... writes:

> Hello and welcome. Coffee is the eighth wonder of the world. Don't

> give it up. It is a great thermogenic. Be sure to drink an equal

> amount of water though because it tends to be a diuretic. So does

> tea. Don't forget to use some non sugar sweetener in these beverages

> to keep them authorized.

>

>

That is So good to know... (that At least one person advocates Coffee on this

program) I was half afraid Someone was going to eventually tell me Coffee was

really bad for me on this program... And that would be terrible because it's

totally my crutch right now.

I had to give up the Diet Pepsi because even though the artificial Sweetener

doesn't have calories it does still raise your Blood sugar (

There's No way in heck I can quit the caffeine Cold turkey... and Besides

that, I just dont want to, LOL I miss my Diet Pepsi terribly and plan to have

one on my free day tomorrow.

I had made myself a deal when I started BFL that I would Drink all my

required water in a day and still indulge in my coveted pop ... but then

after about the 4th week and no progress with my weight or shape (other than

firmer fat) I made a rule that I would cut back on the pop, and that when

ever I did Drink a can of diet Pepsi I would Drink 2 more glasses of

water... As you can tell I was really reluctant to quit the pop..and willing

to go to some lenghts to keep it. (it's what makes My Life livable and I want

to do a diet and exercise program that I can Live with, I felt that cutting

out the pop would make me feel very deprived and would eventually lead to me

failing and quitting the program)

So then after 8 weeks and no results (after I did Quit BFL) I decided to try

and find out why I was getting no results and what I could do about it...

found out about the insulin resistance probelm some people have (especially

Thyroid People) and decided to get right back on the program before losing

any more ground and try changing the diet portion of the program to account

for the Glycemic ramifications.

Amost everything I've read so far say no diet soft drinks..

(

So I've switched to coffee and although I'm Drinking my water...I also Drink

At least a pot of black Coffee a day (this Low Glycemic Stuff is not very

exciting eating I've GOT to have something left to me, ya know?)

The Wonderful News is that I have lost Some Weight this Week! I have lost

2lbs and 2% body fat ... (if my Tanita Scale can be trusted) And what is

even Better.... For the very first time since Starting BFL 10 weeks ago my

pants feel slightly looser.... And that never happened the whole 8 weeks I

was so religious on the program. In 8 whole weeks I'd only lost 4 lbs and 2%

BF. I dont expect 2lbs and 2 % every week, but man I really needed to see

this change... My whole Mental outlook needed it in the worst way.

Bec

[Guest guest]

Hey Bec,

I am a huge coffee fan (just didn't want you and Stasia to feel alone). I also

drink at least a pot (black) a day and sometimes 2! (I use the french press

style so that is probably the equivalent of 6 mugs). I drink one pot from

7:30-noon and the second (if I have it) from 3:00-7:00pm. I know I am addicted

to it but for now I just don't care. I have lost 54 lbs as of last Sunday. I

gave up alcohol completely on 11/26/01 and can't give up EVERYTHING!!

Park

Re: (unknown)

In a message dated 5/10/2002 6:04:34 AM Central Daylight Time,

s_bachrach@... writes:

> Hello and welcome. Coffee is the eighth wonder of the world. Don't

> give it up. It is a great thermogenic. Be sure to drink an equal

> amount of water though because it tends to be a diuretic. So does

> tea. Don't forget to use some non sugar sweetener in these beverages

> to keep them authorized.

>

>

That is So good to know... (that At least one person advocates Coffee on this

program) I was half afraid Someone was going to eventually tell me Coffee was

really bad for me on this program... And that would be terrible because it's

totally my crutch right now.

I had to give up the Diet Pepsi because even though the artificial Sweetener

doesn't have calories it does still raise your Blood sugar (

There's No way in heck I can quit the caffeine Cold turkey... and Besides

that, I just dont want to, LOL I miss my Diet Pepsi terribly and plan to have

one on my free day tomorrow.

I had made myself a deal when I started BFL that I would Drink all my

required water in a day and still indulge in my coveted pop ... but then

after about the 4th week and no progress with my weight or shape (other than

firmer fat) I made a rule that I would cut back on the pop, and that when

ever I did Drink a can of diet Pepsi I would Drink 2 more glasses of

water... As you can tell I was really reluctant to quit the pop..and willing

to go to some lenghts to keep it. (it's what makes My Life livable and I want

to do a diet and exercise program that I can Live with, I felt that cutting

out the pop would make me feel very deprived and would eventually lead to me

failing and quitting the program)

So then after 8 weeks and no results (after I did Quit BFL) I decided to try

and find out why I was getting no results and what I could do about it...

found out about the insulin resistance probelm some people have (especially

Thyroid People) and decided to get right back on the program before losing

any more ground and try changing the diet portion of the program to account

for the Glycemic ramifications.

Amost everything I've read so far say no diet soft drinks..

(

So I've switched to coffee and although I'm Drinking my water...I also Drink

At least a pot of black Coffee a day (this Low Glycemic Stuff is not very

exciting eating I've GOT to have something left to me, ya know?)

The Wonderful News is that I have lost Some Weight this Week! I have lost

2lbs and 2% body fat ... (if my Tanita Scale can be trusted) And what is

even Better.... For the very first time since Starting BFL 10 weeks ago my

pants feel slightly looser.... And that never happened the whole 8 weeks I

was so religious on the program. In 8 whole weeks I'd only lost 4 lbs and 2%

BF. I dont expect 2lbs and 2 % every week, but man I really needed to see

this change... My whole Mental outlook needed it in the worst way.

Bec