Re: Mother..Load!

[Guest guest]

Lolita,

" ...try to search out those autistics who are

proud of who they are... "

There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

you're not Kathllen Seidel?

[Guest guest]

Lolita,

" ...try to search out those autistics who are

proud of who they are... "

There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

you're not Kathllen Seidel?

[Guest guest]

At 08:51 PM 6/21/2008, you wrote:

>Lolita,

> " ...try to search out those autistics who are

>proud of who they are... "

>There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

>you're not Kathllen Seidel?

I have said that I cannot speak for the LFA. Why are you insulting me?

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

At 08:51 PM 6/21/2008, you wrote:

>Lolita,

> " ...try to search out those autistics who are

>proud of who they are... "

>There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

>you're not Kathllen Seidel?

I have said that I cannot speak for the LFA. Why are you insulting me?

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

I feel I have been successful in curing of ever becoming

full autistic for the rest of his life. However, Even if I were to

still have struggles with relating to Autism, I surely would

never give up trying to cure him..

I surely hope that those parents who are earlier in realizing the

toxic damage that has caused the autism are as successful as I seem

to have been with ..

Do you realize that some of the same good personality traits of ASD

or Autism are exactly the same as those you mentioned for

ADD/ADHD??? I was diagnosed with ADD (non hyperactive) as a child

myself.. I am currently curing that with the laser myself.. I have

always wanted to be accepted into the crowd of everybody.. I have

always felt as an outsider..with all of my difficulties.. Yes I

did/do have some special gifts that came along with it..but I would

never say that I would go back in time and re-live the difficulites I

struggled within childhood or teenhood.. School was difficult.. I

never gave up.. And have done great..in my opinion..

I was always told I tended to hyper-focus.. My mother always told me

that I am that way in a bad way...hinting at it in a negative way..

I think the parents who had said that the wasted their time trying to

find a cure for their child were probably frustrated at not being

able to find a cure.. If they knew that there truly is a cure for

it.. I doubt they would really have said that..

Perhaps I have a different perspective on this because I truly have

seen success in my efforts and am successful in curing .. If

I wasnt successful, who knows what I would think or feel..??? All I

know is I would never give up on helping my son to find a better life

for himself..

Peace,

>

> >Hmm...

> >

> >Lolita,

> >

> >I don't share your opinion about autistics..

> >

> >I believe that God didn't intend them to struggle so much..

> >

> >I welcome the gifts that do come with autism..but however, I dont

> >accept the idea that autism was intended for mine or anyone's

child..

> >

> >My son has not had an " official diagnosis " of autism.. And I don't

> >think it is necessary for getting one.. I don't want to put my son

> >in jeopardy of being taken away from me if the medical world

chooses

> >to take him away from me..

> >

> >How would you know whether those autistics or ASD's don't want to

be

> >cured..?? How would they know..??? They have yet to experience the

> >possible life without autism.. There is no comparison factor..

> >

> >If my son could speak for himself, I very much doubt that he would

> >ask for all of his struggles of autism.. I do agree with you on the

> >special personality traits that come with autism..but I dont agree

> >with the idea that autistics don't want to be cured..

> >

> >Are you Autistic or ASD yourself..??? Just curious..... how you can

> >form a perspective on this..and be so against curing it..

> >

> >And besides, aren't all autistics or aspies different in their

> >struggles and special gifts??? So how can anyone form a generic

> >assuming opinion representing ALL of them????

> >

> >

>

> , I am ASD. I can't imagine being anyone else. But besides

that

> I believe there are gifts that come with autism- the hyper-focus is

> one that produces wonderful music, art, science....etc.

>

> I know that the ASD people that I know don't have any wish to be

> cured. I know that they are insulted by the subject. They feel as

> though it is saying that you (NT's) want them eradicated. I

usually

> take the devil's advocate with them, explaining that we cannot

> understand the LFA position, so that maybe they would want to be

> cured. I have no idea- I don't know their pain anymore than I know

> anyone else's unless they tell me. Do you realize that there are

many

> homeless people who prefer to live that way? We cannot judge what

others feel.

>

> All are most certainly different, just as NT's are. But I do know

> that there are groups of AS formed to meet and discuss their pride

in

> being AS. I've heard them speak, and this is what they say. Many

talk

> about forming a place just for aspies, because we understand each

> other, because they feel NT's are against them.

>

> I've also spoken to parents who feel they've wasted their child's

> childhood by pursuing the cures. They tell me they'd wish they'd

> spent more time just enjoying their child.

>

> If, after you've done all you can to cure your child, if your child

> remains autistic, please try to search out those autistics who are

> proud of who they are so that your child can also see the value he

> has, not despite autism, but perhaps because of it.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

I feel I have been successful in curing of ever becoming

full autistic for the rest of his life. However, Even if I were to

still have struggles with relating to Autism, I surely would

never give up trying to cure him..

I surely hope that those parents who are earlier in realizing the

toxic damage that has caused the autism are as successful as I seem

to have been with ..

Do you realize that some of the same good personality traits of ASD

or Autism are exactly the same as those you mentioned for

ADD/ADHD??? I was diagnosed with ADD (non hyperactive) as a child

myself.. I am currently curing that with the laser myself.. I have

always wanted to be accepted into the crowd of everybody.. I have

always felt as an outsider..with all of my difficulties.. Yes I

did/do have some special gifts that came along with it..but I would

never say that I would go back in time and re-live the difficulites I

struggled within childhood or teenhood.. School was difficult.. I

never gave up.. And have done great..in my opinion..

I was always told I tended to hyper-focus.. My mother always told me

that I am that way in a bad way...hinting at it in a negative way..

I think the parents who had said that the wasted their time trying to

find a cure for their child were probably frustrated at not being

able to find a cure.. If they knew that there truly is a cure for

it.. I doubt they would really have said that..

Perhaps I have a different perspective on this because I truly have

seen success in my efforts and am successful in curing .. If

I wasnt successful, who knows what I would think or feel..??? All I

know is I would never give up on helping my son to find a better life

for himself..

Peace,

>

> >Hmm...

> >

> >Lolita,

> >

> >I don't share your opinion about autistics..

> >

> >I believe that God didn't intend them to struggle so much..

> >

> >I welcome the gifts that do come with autism..but however, I dont

> >accept the idea that autism was intended for mine or anyone's

child..

> >

> >My son has not had an " official diagnosis " of autism.. And I don't

> >think it is necessary for getting one.. I don't want to put my son

> >in jeopardy of being taken away from me if the medical world

chooses

> >to take him away from me..

> >

> >How would you know whether those autistics or ASD's don't want to

be

> >cured..?? How would they know..??? They have yet to experience the

> >possible life without autism.. There is no comparison factor..

> >

> >If my son could speak for himself, I very much doubt that he would

> >ask for all of his struggles of autism.. I do agree with you on the

> >special personality traits that come with autism..but I dont agree

> >with the idea that autistics don't want to be cured..

> >

> >Are you Autistic or ASD yourself..??? Just curious..... how you can

> >form a perspective on this..and be so against curing it..

> >

> >And besides, aren't all autistics or aspies different in their

> >struggles and special gifts??? So how can anyone form a generic

> >assuming opinion representing ALL of them????

> >

> >

>

> , I am ASD. I can't imagine being anyone else. But besides

that

> I believe there are gifts that come with autism- the hyper-focus is

> one that produces wonderful music, art, science....etc.

>

> I know that the ASD people that I know don't have any wish to be

> cured. I know that they are insulted by the subject. They feel as

> though it is saying that you (NT's) want them eradicated. I

usually

> take the devil's advocate with them, explaining that we cannot

> understand the LFA position, so that maybe they would want to be

> cured. I have no idea- I don't know their pain anymore than I know

> anyone else's unless they tell me. Do you realize that there are

many

> homeless people who prefer to live that way? We cannot judge what

others feel.

>

> All are most certainly different, just as NT's are. But I do know

> that there are groups of AS formed to meet and discuss their pride

in

> being AS. I've heard them speak, and this is what they say. Many

talk

> about forming a place just for aspies, because we understand each

> other, because they feel NT's are against them.

>

> I've also spoken to parents who feel they've wasted their child's

> childhood by pursuing the cures. They tell me they'd wish they'd

> spent more time just enjoying their child.

>

> If, after you've done all you can to cure your child, if your child

> remains autistic, please try to search out those autistics who are

> proud of who they are so that your child can also see the value he

> has, not despite autism, but perhaps because of it.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

--I think your question in this post is out of line and hits "below the belt." I suspect you did not meant it to sound the way it comes across--but... it does come across in a way I don't think it should have. I believe an apology is in order. ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Mother..Load!

Lolita,"...try to search out those autistics who areproud of who they are..."There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure you're not Kathllen Seidel?

[Guest guest]

--I think your question in this post is out of line and hits "below the belt." I suspect you did not meant it to sound the way it comes across--but... it does come across in a way I don't think it should have. I believe an apology is in order. ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Mother..Load!

Lolita,"...try to search out those autistics who areproud of who they are..."There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure you're not Kathllen Seidel?

[Guest guest]

Ruth,

Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people with

Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

confuse the issue.

The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet like

to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to make

the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled, the

neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite adept

at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

--I think your question in this post is out of line and

hits " below the belt. " I suspect you did not meant it to sound the

way it comes across--but... it does come across in a way I don't

think it should have. I believe an apology is in order. ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Mother..Load!

Lolita,

" ...try to search out those autistics who are

proud of who they are... "

There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

you're not Kathllen Seidel?

[Guest guest]

Ruth,

Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people with

Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

confuse the issue.

The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet like

to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to make

the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled, the

neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite adept

at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

--I think your question in this post is out of line and

hits " below the belt. " I suspect you did not meant it to sound the

way it comes across--but... it does come across in a way I don't

think it should have. I believe an apology is in order. ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Mother..Load!

Lolita,

" ...try to search out those autistics who are

proud of who they are... "

There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

you're not Kathllen Seidel?

[Guest guest]

Ruth,

Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people with

Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

confuse the issue.

The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet like

to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to make

the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled, the

neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite adept

at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

--I think your question in this post is out of line and

hits " below the belt. " I suspect you did not meant it to sound the

way it comes across--but... it does come across in a way I don't

think it should have. I believe an apology is in order. ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Mother..Load!

Lolita,

" ...try to search out those autistics who are

proud of who they are... "

There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

you're not Kathllen Seidel?

[Guest guest]

Ruth,

Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people with

Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

confuse the issue.

The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet like

to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to make

the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled, the

neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite adept

at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

--I think your question in this post is out of line and

hits " below the belt. " I suspect you did not meant it to sound the

way it comes across--but... it does come across in a way I don't

think it should have. I believe an apology is in order. ~~Ruth/REU

Re: Mother..Load!

Lolita,

" ...try to search out those autistics who are

proud of who they are... "

There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

you're not Kathllen Seidel?

[Guest guest]

At 09:55 AM 6/22/2008, you wrote:

>Ruth,

>Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

>is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people with

>Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

>confuse the issue.

>

>The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet like

>to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

>bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to make

>the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled, the

>neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

>mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite adept

>at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

So, what are you shoving back down my throat? I'm confused. I've only

recently learned about aspie pride, I'm not prepared for this kind of

attack. I know it made me feel good to know that I'm not a freak,

though you certainly are knocking me right back down. I'm thinking

that I shouldn't be here, I'm not ready for this.

You still haven't told me where you found the information about

Baggs. I found her on youtube after searching out autism and

trying to understand all I could about autism. There are a lot of

youtube videos to do with autism, she just seemed so severe but still

so very bright. This is why I offered that link. If she really is a

fake, I'd like to know it, so that I don't continue to look up to her.

You make a distinction between aspergers and autism (and do so

vehemently). As I've said there are aspies who agree with you, that

don't want to be associated with autism but wish for a separate

label. This isn't how it's viewed medically, and I personally don't

agree with more separation. The symptoms of autism go through the

entire spectrum (and ADD, I have come to believe) in varying degrees.

The more severe the more healing they need. I don't, I've never said

I did, think that you should leave them in alone to their disability.

I've meant to say that there are autism traits that should not be

cured. That, in my opinion, wiping out autism would mean to wipe out

those traits that are admirable and that are apart the personalities

of those with autism.

I do not know this Seidel, I've certainly not been trained by her or

anyone else. And perhaps you have formed your opinion of her in a

more enlightened way than you did with me. But from my short

experience with you, I have to doubt it. Maybe she's just the

opposite side of the coin from you, in which case I have no use for

her, but I will learn all I can.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

At 09:55 AM 6/22/2008, you wrote:

>Ruth,

>Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

>is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people with

>Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

>confuse the issue.

>

>The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet like

>to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

>bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to make

>the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled, the

>neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

>mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite adept

>at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

So, what are you shoving back down my throat? I'm confused. I've only

recently learned about aspie pride, I'm not prepared for this kind of

attack. I know it made me feel good to know that I'm not a freak,

though you certainly are knocking me right back down. I'm thinking

that I shouldn't be here, I'm not ready for this.

You still haven't told me where you found the information about

Baggs. I found her on youtube after searching out autism and

trying to understand all I could about autism. There are a lot of

youtube videos to do with autism, she just seemed so severe but still

so very bright. This is why I offered that link. If she really is a

fake, I'd like to know it, so that I don't continue to look up to her.

You make a distinction between aspergers and autism (and do so

vehemently). As I've said there are aspies who agree with you, that

don't want to be associated with autism but wish for a separate

label. This isn't how it's viewed medically, and I personally don't

agree with more separation. The symptoms of autism go through the

entire spectrum (and ADD, I have come to believe) in varying degrees.

The more severe the more healing they need. I don't, I've never said

I did, think that you should leave them in alone to their disability.

I've meant to say that there are autism traits that should not be

cured. That, in my opinion, wiping out autism would mean to wipe out

those traits that are admirable and that are apart the personalities

of those with autism.

I do not know this Seidel, I've certainly not been trained by her or

anyone else. And perhaps you have formed your opinion of her in a

more enlightened way than you did with me. But from my short

experience with you, I have to doubt it. Maybe she's just the

opposite side of the coin from you, in which case I have no use for

her, but I will learn all I can.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

At 09:55 AM 6/22/2008, you wrote:

>Ruth,

>Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

>is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people with

>Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

>confuse the issue.

>

>The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet like

>to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

>bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to make

>the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled, the

>neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

>mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite adept

>at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

So, what are you shoving back down my throat? I'm confused. I've only

recently learned about aspie pride, I'm not prepared for this kind of

attack. I know it made me feel good to know that I'm not a freak,

though you certainly are knocking me right back down. I'm thinking

that I shouldn't be here, I'm not ready for this.

You still haven't told me where you found the information about

Baggs. I found her on youtube after searching out autism and

trying to understand all I could about autism. There are a lot of

youtube videos to do with autism, she just seemed so severe but still

so very bright. This is why I offered that link. If she really is a

fake, I'd like to know it, so that I don't continue to look up to her.

You make a distinction between aspergers and autism (and do so

vehemently). As I've said there are aspies who agree with you, that

don't want to be associated with autism but wish for a separate

label. This isn't how it's viewed medically, and I personally don't

agree with more separation. The symptoms of autism go through the

entire spectrum (and ADD, I have come to believe) in varying degrees.

The more severe the more healing they need. I don't, I've never said

I did, think that you should leave them in alone to their disability.

I've meant to say that there are autism traits that should not be

cured. That, in my opinion, wiping out autism would mean to wipe out

those traits that are admirable and that are apart the personalities

of those with autism.

I do not know this Seidel, I've certainly not been trained by her or

anyone else. And perhaps you have formed your opinion of her in a

more enlightened way than you did with me. But from my short

experience with you, I have to doubt it. Maybe she's just the

opposite side of the coin from you, in which case I have no use for

her, but I will learn all I can.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

At 09:55 AM 6/22/2008, you wrote:

>Ruth,

>Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

>is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people with

>Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

>confuse the issue.

>

>The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet like

>to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

>bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to make

>the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled, the

>neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

>mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite adept

>at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

So, what are you shoving back down my throat? I'm confused. I've only

recently learned about aspie pride, I'm not prepared for this kind of

attack. I know it made me feel good to know that I'm not a freak,

though you certainly are knocking me right back down. I'm thinking

that I shouldn't be here, I'm not ready for this.

You still haven't told me where you found the information about

Baggs. I found her on youtube after searching out autism and

trying to understand all I could about autism. There are a lot of

youtube videos to do with autism, she just seemed so severe but still

so very bright. This is why I offered that link. If she really is a

fake, I'd like to know it, so that I don't continue to look up to her.

You make a distinction between aspergers and autism (and do so

vehemently). As I've said there are aspies who agree with you, that

don't want to be associated with autism but wish for a separate

label. This isn't how it's viewed medically, and I personally don't

agree with more separation. The symptoms of autism go through the

entire spectrum (and ADD, I have come to believe) in varying degrees.

The more severe the more healing they need. I don't, I've never said

I did, think that you should leave them in alone to their disability.

I've meant to say that there are autism traits that should not be

cured. That, in my opinion, wiping out autism would mean to wipe out

those traits that are admirable and that are apart the personalities

of those with autism.

I do not know this Seidel, I've certainly not been trained by her or

anyone else. And perhaps you have formed your opinion of her in a

more enlightened way than you did with me. But from my short

experience with you, I have to doubt it. Maybe she's just the

opposite side of the coin from you, in which case I have no use for

her, but I will learn all I can.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

Yes ..

Oddly enough. Even after disagreeing with some of your comments in

the past, I find myself agreeing with what you are saying about this

neurodiversity crap..

I watched that video you posted on that.. Disturbing...

>

> Ruth,

> Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

> is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people

with

> Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

> confuse the issue.

>

> The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet

like

> to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

> bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to

make

> the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled,

the

> neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

> mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite

adept

> at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

>

> --I think your question in this post is out of line and

> hits " below the belt. " I suspect you did not meant it to sound the

> way it comes across--but... it does come across in a way I don't

> think it should have. I believe an apology is in order. ~~Ruth/REU

>

>

>

>

> Re: Mother..Load!

>

>

> Lolita,

> " ...try to search out those autistics who are

> proud of who they are... "

> There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

> you're not Kathllen Seidel?

>

[Guest guest]

Yes ..

Oddly enough. Even after disagreeing with some of your comments in

the past, I find myself agreeing with what you are saying about this

neurodiversity crap..

I watched that video you posted on that.. Disturbing...

>

> Ruth,

> Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

> is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people

with

> Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

> confuse the issue.

>

> The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet

like

> to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

> bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to

make

> the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled,

the

> neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

> mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite

adept

> at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

>

> --I think your question in this post is out of line and

> hits " below the belt. " I suspect you did not meant it to sound the

> way it comes across--but... it does come across in a way I don't

> think it should have. I believe an apology is in order. ~~Ruth/REU

>

>

>

>

> Re: Mother..Load!

>

>

> Lolita,

> " ...try to search out those autistics who are

> proud of who they are... "

> There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

> you're not Kathllen Seidel?

>

[Guest guest]

Yes ..

Oddly enough. Even after disagreeing with some of your comments in

the past, I find myself agreeing with what you are saying about this

neurodiversity crap..

I watched that video you posted on that.. Disturbing...

>

> Ruth,

> Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

> is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people

with

> Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

> confuse the issue.

>

> The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet

like

> to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

> bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to

make

> the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled,

the

> neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

> mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite

adept

> at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

>

> --I think your question in this post is out of line and

> hits " below the belt. " I suspect you did not meant it to sound the

> way it comes across--but... it does come across in a way I don't

> think it should have. I believe an apology is in order. ~~Ruth/REU

>

>

>

>

> Re: Mother..Load!

>

>

> Lolita,

> " ...try to search out those autistics who are

> proud of who they are... "

> There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

> you're not Kathllen Seidel?

>

[Guest guest]

Yes ..

Oddly enough. Even after disagreeing with some of your comments in

the past, I find myself agreeing with what you are saying about this

neurodiversity crap..

I watched that video you posted on that.. Disturbing...

>

> Ruth,

> Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

> is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people

with

> Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

> confuse the issue.

>

> The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet

like

> to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

> bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to

make

> the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled,

the

> neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

> mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite

adept

> at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

>

> --I think your question in this post is out of line and

> hits " below the belt. " I suspect you did not meant it to sound the

> way it comes across--but... it does come across in a way I don't

> think it should have. I believe an apology is in order. ~~Ruth/REU

>

>

>

>

> Re: Mother..Load!

>

>

> Lolita,

> " ...try to search out those autistics who are

> proud of who they are... "

> There are no LFA's who are proud to be 100% disabled. Are you sure

> you're not Kathllen Seidel?

>

[Guest guest]

Lolita,

Children who can't speak, read, write or toilet themselves have no

admirable traits. Their lives are a horror. They suffer horribly

their entire lives. To portray autism as anything besides a

nightmare is disingenuous.

Just search for " Baggs fraud " and you'll find plenty of

information.

>

> >Ruth,

> >Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

> >is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people with

> >Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

> >confuse the issue.

> >

> >The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet like

> >to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

> >bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to make

> >the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled,

the

> >neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

> >mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite adept

> >at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

>

> So, what are you shoving back down my throat? I'm confused. I've

only

> recently learned about aspie pride, I'm not prepared for this kind

of

> attack. I know it made me feel good to know that I'm not a freak,

> though you certainly are knocking me right back down. I'm thinking

> that I shouldn't be here, I'm not ready for this.

>

> You still haven't told me where you found the information about

> Baggs. I found her on youtube after searching out autism and

> trying to understand all I could about autism. There are a lot of

> youtube videos to do with autism, she just seemed so severe but

still

> so very bright. This is why I offered that link. If she really is a

> fake, I'd like to know it, so that I don't continue to look up to

her.

>

> You make a distinction between aspergers and autism (and do so

> vehemently). As I've said there are aspies who agree with you, that

> don't want to be associated with autism but wish for a separate

> label. This isn't how it's viewed medically, and I personally don't

> agree with more separation. The symptoms of autism go through the

> entire spectrum (and ADD, I have come to believe) in varying

degrees.

> The more severe the more healing they need. I don't, I've never

said

> I did, think that you should leave them in alone to their

disability.

> I've meant to say that there are autism traits that should not be

> cured. That, in my opinion, wiping out autism would mean to wipe

out

> those traits that are admirable and that are apart the

personalities

> of those with autism.

>

> I do not know this Seidel, I've certainly not been trained by her

or

> anyone else. And perhaps you have formed your opinion of her in a

> more enlightened way than you did with me. But from my short

> experience with you, I have to doubt it. Maybe she's just the

> opposite side of the coin from you, in which case I have no use for

> her, but I will learn all I can.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

Lolita,

Children who can't speak, read, write or toilet themselves have no

admirable traits. Their lives are a horror. They suffer horribly

their entire lives. To portray autism as anything besides a

nightmare is disingenuous.

Just search for " Baggs fraud " and you'll find plenty of

information.

>

> >Ruth,

> >Perhaps you don't fully understand the propaganda of Seidel. She

> >is an extremely competent liar. She has trained lots of people with

> >Asperger's to refer to their affliction as autism to intentionally

> >confuse the issue.

> >

> >The neurodiverse trolls who infest every list on the internet like

> >to feign ignorance after their bluff is called for engaging in this

> >bit of deception. Since most people with autism can't speak to make

> >the ridiculous statement that they are proud to be 100% disabled,

the

> >neurodiverse trolls are adept at trying to put those words in their

> >mouths. As the father of a 100% disabled boy, I am also quite adept

> >at shoving those words right back down their throats. Thank you.

>

> So, what are you shoving back down my throat? I'm confused. I've

only

> recently learned about aspie pride, I'm not prepared for this kind

of

> attack. I know it made me feel good to know that I'm not a freak,

> though you certainly are knocking me right back down. I'm thinking

> that I shouldn't be here, I'm not ready for this.

>

> You still haven't told me where you found the information about

> Baggs. I found her on youtube after searching out autism and

> trying to understand all I could about autism. There are a lot of

> youtube videos to do with autism, she just seemed so severe but

still

> so very bright. This is why I offered that link. If she really is a

> fake, I'd like to know it, so that I don't continue to look up to

her.

>

> You make a distinction between aspergers and autism (and do so

> vehemently). As I've said there are aspies who agree with you, that

> don't want to be associated with autism but wish for a separate

> label. This isn't how it's viewed medically, and I personally don't

> agree with more separation. The symptoms of autism go through the

> entire spectrum (and ADD, I have come to believe) in varying

degrees.

> The more severe the more healing they need. I don't, I've never

said

> I did, think that you should leave them in alone to their

disability.

> I've meant to say that there are autism traits that should not be

> cured. That, in my opinion, wiping out autism would mean to wipe

out

> those traits that are admirable and that are apart the

personalities

> of those with autism.

>

> I do not know this Seidel, I've certainly not been trained by her

or

> anyone else. And perhaps you have formed your opinion of her in a

> more enlightened way than you did with me. But from my short

> experience with you, I have to doubt it. Maybe she's just the

> opposite side of the coin from you, in which case I have no use for

> her, but I will learn all I can.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

I agree wiht you on this Lolita. ADD/ADHD is also in the spectrum,

just less effected. In fact I wish we would just stop using the word

autism. Its mercury poisoning that causes this neurological damage.

The level of damage dictates the functioning level.

-- In no-forced-vaccination , Lolita Cook

<lita46953@...> wrote:

>

> At 09:52 PM 6/20/2008, you wrote:

>

> >Lolita,

> >I'll briefly explain the scam Kathleen Seidel is trying to

> >perpetrate. First, her and her followers try to confuse autism and

> >Asperger's. She has recruited a lot of people who have Asperger's,

> >yet claim they have autism to send the message that autism is not

> >that bad. This influences public opinion when people who don't know

> >anything about autism gain the impression that it is no big deal.

> >The naive public concludes that autism is nothing but a politically

> >correct term for " nerds " .

> >As part of the process, Seidel and her gang clamor about respect

> >and acceptance, things every parent wants for every kid. There is

no

> >respect and acceptance for kids who can't talk, smear feces and

will

> >have to be institutionalized because they are impossible to handle

> >and no person on earth could do it once they grow into adults.

> >No person can honestly deny that these severely affected kids need

> >lots of help. To oppose curing them is simply insane.

> >Now, look at the majority of Seidel's writing. It is almost

> >exclusively an effort of character assassination on anyone who

plays

> >a role in proving that thimerosal caused the epidemic, or who has a

> >hand in curing autism by treating it as mercury poisoning. Seidel's

> >main target is Dr Mark Geier who gave us the first real proof we

had

> >that thimerosal caused the epidemic. Geier is also curing autism by

> >using a method that he invented to remove the mercury using Lupron.

> >Seidel never mentions that Dr Geier is helping autistic kids but

she

> >does make the absurd claim that using Lupron is chemically

castrating

> >these children.

> >Seidel also abets Baggs' fraud by helping her put her

> >medical records in order so it seems that she has a proper

diagnosis

> >of autism (she doesn't) and drives her places where her pretending

to

> >be a low functioning autistic who does not want a cure is put on

> >dosplay to further Seidel's agenda.

> >Seidel is also linked to Quackbusters who are an arm of the

> >Pharmaceutical industry with the sole goal of denouncing all

> >alternative medicine that might take money out of the pockets of

> >mainstream medicine.

>

> Ah. I've met some AS people who don't want to be called autistic. I

> personally believe it's all in the same spectrum. I'd add ADD/ADHD

to

> that same spectrum.

>

> Most people seem to think of any autism in terms of severe. It's

> usually difficult to get others to understand that AS is a mild

form

> of autism.

>

> Most certainly, those affected severely need a lot of help. I'd

> certainly never suggest they don't, nor would I ever suggest to not

> do all that can be done to help them be the best of who they are.

>

> No doubt putting mercury in our bodies, our teeth cannot be

healthy.

> I don't believe vaccines, even without the mercury can be healthy.

>

> Please guide me to where you found the information about

> Baggs, as I cannot find anything that says she is LSD brain

damaged.

> How do you feel about Temple Grandin?

>

> I do not know this Seidel, but I do not like anyone who thinks they

> should decide for others.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

I agree wiht you on this Lolita. ADD/ADHD is also in the spectrum,

just less effected. In fact I wish we would just stop using the word

autism. Its mercury poisoning that causes this neurological damage.

The level of damage dictates the functioning level.

-- In no-forced-vaccination , Lolita Cook

<lita46953@...> wrote:

>

> At 09:52 PM 6/20/2008, you wrote:

>

> >Lolita,

> >I'll briefly explain the scam Kathleen Seidel is trying to

> >perpetrate. First, her and her followers try to confuse autism and

> >Asperger's. She has recruited a lot of people who have Asperger's,

> >yet claim they have autism to send the message that autism is not

> >that bad. This influences public opinion when people who don't know

> >anything about autism gain the impression that it is no big deal.

> >The naive public concludes that autism is nothing but a politically

> >correct term for " nerds " .

> >As part of the process, Seidel and her gang clamor about respect

> >and acceptance, things every parent wants for every kid. There is

no

> >respect and acceptance for kids who can't talk, smear feces and

will

> >have to be institutionalized because they are impossible to handle

> >and no person on earth could do it once they grow into adults.

> >No person can honestly deny that these severely affected kids need

> >lots of help. To oppose curing them is simply insane.

> >Now, look at the majority of Seidel's writing. It is almost

> >exclusively an effort of character assassination on anyone who

plays

> >a role in proving that thimerosal caused the epidemic, or who has a

> >hand in curing autism by treating it as mercury poisoning. Seidel's

> >main target is Dr Mark Geier who gave us the first real proof we

had

> >that thimerosal caused the epidemic. Geier is also curing autism by

> >using a method that he invented to remove the mercury using Lupron.

> >Seidel never mentions that Dr Geier is helping autistic kids but

she

> >does make the absurd claim that using Lupron is chemically

castrating

> >these children.

> >Seidel also abets Baggs' fraud by helping her put her

> >medical records in order so it seems that she has a proper

diagnosis

> >of autism (she doesn't) and drives her places where her pretending

to

> >be a low functioning autistic who does not want a cure is put on

> >dosplay to further Seidel's agenda.

> >Seidel is also linked to Quackbusters who are an arm of the

> >Pharmaceutical industry with the sole goal of denouncing all

> >alternative medicine that might take money out of the pockets of

> >mainstream medicine.

>

> Ah. I've met some AS people who don't want to be called autistic. I

> personally believe it's all in the same spectrum. I'd add ADD/ADHD

to

> that same spectrum.

>

> Most people seem to think of any autism in terms of severe. It's

> usually difficult to get others to understand that AS is a mild

form

> of autism.

>

> Most certainly, those affected severely need a lot of help. I'd

> certainly never suggest they don't, nor would I ever suggest to not

> do all that can be done to help them be the best of who they are.

>

> No doubt putting mercury in our bodies, our teeth cannot be

healthy.

> I don't believe vaccines, even without the mercury can be healthy.

>

> Please guide me to where you found the information about

> Baggs, as I cannot find anything that says she is LSD brain

damaged.

> How do you feel about Temple Grandin?

>

> I do not know this Seidel, but I do not like anyone who thinks they

> should decide for others.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

See, that is exactly what point I was trying to prove to myself and

others.. That there are many names for the same toxic damage.. I

have been starting to believe that all of the diseases out today are

all linked to toxic damage.. Hence the fact that I started my

group to further research that theory...

> >

> > >Lolita,

> > >I'll briefly explain the scam Kathleen Seidel is trying to

> > >perpetrate. First, her and her followers try to confuse autism

and

> > >Asperger's. She has recruited a lot of people who have

Asperger's,

> > >yet claim they have autism to send the message that autism is not

> > >that bad. This influences public opinion when people who don't

know

> > >anything about autism gain the impression that it is no big deal.

> > >The naive public concludes that autism is nothing but a

politically

> > >correct term for " nerds " .

> > >As part of the process, Seidel and her gang clamor about respect

> > >and acceptance, things every parent wants for every kid. There

is

> no

> > >respect and acceptance for kids who can't talk, smear feces and

> will

> > >have to be institutionalized because they are impossible to

handle

> > >and no person on earth could do it once they grow into adults.

> > >No person can honestly deny that these severely affected kids

need

> > >lots of help. To oppose curing them is simply insane.

> > >Now, look at the majority of Seidel's writing. It is almost

> > >exclusively an effort of character assassination on anyone who

> plays

> > >a role in proving that thimerosal caused the epidemic, or who

has a

> > >hand in curing autism by treating it as mercury poisoning.

Seidel's

> > >main target is Dr Mark Geier who gave us the first real proof we

> had

> > >that thimerosal caused the epidemic. Geier is also curing autism

by

> > >using a method that he invented to remove the mercury using

Lupron.

> > >Seidel never mentions that Dr Geier is helping autistic kids but

> she

> > >does make the absurd claim that using Lupron is chemically

> castrating

> > >these children.

> > >Seidel also abets Baggs' fraud by helping her put her

> > >medical records in order so it seems that she has a proper

> diagnosis

> > >of autism (she doesn't) and drives her places where her

pretending

> to

> > >be a low functioning autistic who does not want a cure is put on

> > >dosplay to further Seidel's agenda.

> > >Seidel is also linked to Quackbusters who are an arm of the

> > >Pharmaceutical industry with the sole goal of denouncing all

> > >alternative medicine that might take money out of the pockets of

> > >mainstream medicine.

> >

> > Ah. I've met some AS people who don't want to be called autistic.

I

> > personally believe it's all in the same spectrum. I'd add

ADD/ADHD

> to

> > that same spectrum.

> >

> > Most people seem to think of any autism in terms of severe. It's

> > usually difficult to get others to understand that AS is a mild

> form

> > of autism.

> >

> > Most certainly, those affected severely need a lot of help. I'd

> > certainly never suggest they don't, nor would I ever suggest to

not

> > do all that can be done to help them be the best of who they are.

> >

> > No doubt putting mercury in our bodies, our teeth cannot be

> healthy.

> > I don't believe vaccines, even without the mercury can be healthy.

> >

> > Please guide me to where you found the information about

> > Baggs, as I cannot find anything that says she is LSD brain

> damaged.

> > How do you feel about Temple Grandin?

> >

> > I do not know this Seidel, but I do not like anyone who thinks

they

> > should decide for others.

> >

> > Lolita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Children- take 'em as they run-

> > You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> > Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> > Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

> >

>