Re: Mother..Load!

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I am brand new to this board, but have to jump in on this thread and agree 100% with . Kathleen Seidel viciously attacks parents for doing biomed with their children with autism, and calls them crack-pots for not vaccinating. She makes my skin crawl.

Sylvia

no-forced-vaccination From: bettwice33@...Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:01:27 +0000Subject: Re: Mother..Load!

Kathleen Seidel is a propaganda expert who writes all sorts of insanity with the sole goal of preventing anyone from curing autism. You should not believe one word out of her mouth. She is a very sophistocated liar.>> So, ok I have been out to lunch for the past month... falling in love.> > But tonight I stayed with the research and came across the following, > > sorry if it is "old news".> > www.neurodiversity.com, which is a gal named Kathleen Seidel, and> > it was very well done! With Books listed such as Feminism and > > Psychatric Diagnosis, and web sites such as www.madnation.com, > > I was in awe, and there was lots on autism and all kinds > > of info. Please have a look see.> > Off subject, a web site that has something to do with your personal> > info, www.ziggs.com which is free to join.> > More personal news, a conversation with my eldest son, about his > > 33 month old son, who does not have autism, but something that has> > his brain doing weird stuff, and his speech as an 18 month old, > > but seemingly only 72 cases in the US, whith studies being done > > in Ill. with a drug plan and spinal fluid being drawn frequently, son > > chose not to put baby through this. My discussion with this son seemed> > like a one shot deal, he wanted me to know the facts, and dicounts, > > discourages anything I might bring to the "pot" with warnings> > that if I say the wrong thing, it will be another 4 years before> > I see my grandsons, I bow out, until and unless he looses the > > desire to castrate and control.> > > Peace-Love-Oneness> Dona>

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Well, thank heavens for that. I looked at the website and thought it was total manure! I thought I might have missed something, as the original post wasn't very clear either! Castration and control? WTH????

I've never seen anything like it!

It is perfectly natural to want the best for ones' children. I should just accept my child's bowel and bladder incontinence, lack of speech and mobility? Just allow him never to progress, never to ride a bike, or speak, or socialise etc, etc? I think not!!! If I have it in my power to help him make progress, and he has it within to make progress, why should either of us accept the standard to which institutionalisation or neglect would have condemned him? Humans will always strive to do better, unless of course, the government has anything to do with it. I should accept the chemical poisoning he has suffered and remain silent when others might make the same mistakes I did? My being rebels against such a concept.

I have it in my power to make his life more comfortable with diet and supplements. It means that he doesn't have to wear a crash helmet to prevent head injuries when he has vaccine-induced seizures. I should just accept him crashing to the ground? What a strange idea.

It means that instead of dying during status epilpticus, he is free to go bowling, play pool, soccer, volunteer to help high needs disabled people by feeding them or accompanying them on visits to zoos, museums, volunteer at the local community gardens. He earned a living for nearly 7 years, but due to a lack of supervision of his diet at work, became too ill to continue.

Please do tell me if I've misunderstood.

Confusedly,

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At 07:01 AM 6/20/2008, you wrote:

>Kathleen Seidel is a propaganda expert who writes all sorts of

>insanity with the sole goal of preventing anyone from curing autism.

>You should not believe one word out of her mouth. She is a very

>sophistocated liar.

Let me try and present the view from the autistic world- if I may.

Most feel that they don't need nor want cured. That even suggesting a

cure means wanting them annihilate. I'm sure you know there are some

positive things about autism, though from my perspective the positive

is with the high functioning. This perspective is probably totally

warped because I cannot imagine being a low-functioning ASD. Many

autistics feel that the problems they have with socialization are due

to NT's expectations that they must fit into their world. We all feel

alien to this world.

You can all certainly understand that since this is the way we've

always been we see no reason to change. This is who we are, this is

our personality.

My own feeling is that the only cure necessary is the one that allows

autistics to be comfortable within their own skin. If they are in

pain, cure that. If they want to socialize, but cannot, cure that. If

they want to communicate but can't, cure that. Cure their guts, cure

their lack of self-control, cure all things that make their lives

painful to them, but don't take away their personalities. Allow them

to choose to live in a world that is totally foreign to you, if that

is their choice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc & feature=related

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

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Lolita,

This is my perspective, coming from a grandmother raising an ASD

grandduaghter. I have spent most of my time fighting and advocating

for my granddaughters right to exist. Now please don't anyone take

this the wrong way. It is sometimes very difficult to advocate for a

high functioning autistic because of the very fact that they are

considered high functioning. The interesting thing about them is that

they have the same difficulties as the lower functioning but they can

talk. The problem with that is most people misunderstand their level

of disability and think they can just change it if they want to.

Nothing could be further from the truth. I can remember something my

granddauhgter said at an IEP meeting a few months back. I will quote

her. By the way this was a meeting about social skills and the fact

that she is not interested in dressing like the other girls which she

refers to as prom girls. " I like to be comfortable (Sensory Issue

here) and I don't care what anyone thinks, or if they don't like the

way I dress.(sounds pretty self assured to me) I don't have anything

in common with those PROM GIRLS, Why can't people just let be be

myself???

Now I have to tell you that the school shrinks have been trying for

years to slap a psych Dx on her, low self esteem, anxiety disorder,

depression, etc, etc. She will come right out and tell you she is

different. She likes who she is, and doesn't want to be different.

This is the perspective from the aspergers point of view. If you

asked me I would loved to find a so called cure, and you can bet I'm

still trying, I will however continue to fight for her right to be

who she is. If by the egrace of God I, or we do find an universal

cure there are somethings about her I never want to change.

Peggy

>

> >Kathleen Seidel is a propaganda expert who writes all sorts of

> >insanity with the sole goal of preventing anyone from curing

autism.

> >You should not believe one word out of her mouth. She is a very

> >sophistocated liar.

>

> Let me try and present the view from the autistic world- if I may.

>

> Most feel that they don't need nor want cured. That even suggesting

a

> cure means wanting them annihilate. I'm sure you know there are

some

> positive things about autism, though from my perspective the

positive

> is with the high functioning. This perspective is probably totally

> warped because I cannot imagine being a low-functioning ASD. Many

> autistics feel that the problems they have with socialization are

due

> to NT's expectations that they must fit into their world. We all

feel

> alien to this world.

>

> You can all certainly understand that since this is the way we've

> always been we see no reason to change. This is who we are, this is

> our personality.

>

> My own feeling is that the only cure necessary is the one that

allows

> autistics to be comfortable within their own skin. If they are in

> pain, cure that. If they want to socialize, but cannot, cure that.

If

> they want to communicate but can't, cure that. Cure their guts,

cure

> their lack of self-control, cure all things that make their lives

> painful to them, but don't take away their personalities. Allow

them

> to choose to live in a world that is totally foreign to you, if

that

> is their choice.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc & feature=related

>

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

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At 02:46 PM 6/20/2008, you wrote:

>Lolita,

>

>This is my perspective, coming from a grandmother raising an ASD

>grandduaghter. I have spent most of my time fighting and advocating

>for my granddaughters right to exist. Now please don't anyone take

>this the wrong way. It is sometimes very difficult to advocate for a

>high functioning autistic because of the very fact that they are

>considered high functioning. The interesting thing about them is that

>they have the same difficulties as the lower functioning but they can

>talk. The problem with that is most people misunderstand their level

>of disability and think they can just change it if they want to.

>Nothing could be further from the truth. I can remember something my

>granddauhgter said at an IEP meeting a few months back. I will quote

>her. By the way this was a meeting about social skills and the fact

>that she is not interested in dressing like the other girls which she

>refers to as prom girls. " I like to be comfortable (Sensory Issue

>here) and I don't care what anyone thinks, or if they don't like the

>way I dress.(sounds pretty self assured to me) I don't have anything

>in common with those PROM GIRLS, Why can't people just let be be

>myself???

>

>Now I have to tell you that the school shrinks have been trying for

>years to slap a psych Dx on her, low self esteem, anxiety disorder,

>depression, etc, etc. She will come right out and tell you she is

>different. She likes who she is, and doesn't want to be different.

>This is the perspective from the aspergers point of view. If you

>asked me I would loved to find a so called cure, and you can bet I'm

>still trying, I will however continue to fight for her right to be

>who she is. If by the egrace of God I, or we do find an universal

>cure there are somethings about her I never want to change.

>

>Peggy

Thank you Peggy. Your granddaughter is lucky to have such a grandmother.

She's right, of course. Why can't people just let her be herself?

What's wrong with her dressing in a way that is comfortable to her.

Why should she be expected to change? How healthy could this

continuing assault on her person by the school shrinks be? She sounds

amazingly strong, another tribute to you, I'm sure.

What would a cure mean? Would it make us more like everyone else?

Would that be a good thing? If so, why?

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

You got it right. Kathleen is part of a movement that wants the public to think that children with autism are not vaccine injured, and that they are just "different" and their difference should be celebrated. She and the rest of the Neuro Diversity crowd want the world to believe all people with autism are high functioning nerd types that do not need to be treated. They are vehemently opposed to vaccine freedoms, and attack those that question vaccine safety.

Ofcourse the sad truth is that most of our kids with autism are profoundly affected by their disorder, and as parents we are trying to educate ourselves and give them every chance to improve and regain health. It is bizarre that the NT's have such a problem with that, which makes one suspect other motives are at hand.

Sylvia

no-forced-vaccination From: howdurdago@...Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 07:48:12 -0700Subject: Re: Re: Mother..Load!

Well, thank heavens for that. I looked at the website and thought it was total manure! I thought I might have missed something, as the original post wasn't very clear either! Castration and control? WTH????

I've never seen anything like it!

It is perfectly natural to want the best for ones' children. I should just accept my child's bowel and bladder incontinence, lack of speech and mobility? Just allow him never to progress, never to ride a bike, or speak, or socialise etc, etc? I think not!!! If I have it in my power to help him make progress, and he has it within to make progress, why should either of us accept the standard to which institutionalisation or neglect would have condemned him? Humans will always strive to do better, unless of course, the government has anything to do with it. I should accept the chemical poisoning he has suffered and remain silent when others might make the same mistakes I did? My being rebels against such a concept.

I have it in my power to make his life more comfortable with diet and supplements. It means that he doesn't have to wear a crash helmet to prevent head injuries when he has vaccine-induced seizures. I should just accept him crashing to the ground? What a strange idea.

It means that instead of dying during status epilpticus, he is free to go bowling, play pool, soccer, volunteer to help high needs disabled people by feeding them or accompanying them on visits to zoos, museums, volunteer at the local community gardens. He earned a living for nearly 7 years, but due to a lack of supervision of his diet at work, became too ill to continue.

Please do tell me if I've misunderstood.

Confusedly,

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I completely understand and agree with you Peggy. Your granddaughter sounds a lot like my oldest son. I have two boys, both on the autism spectrum. My oldest is 13 and is considered pretty high functioning. My baby is 10 and non-verbal.

My 13 year old has no inclination to be like other kids. He is completely independent on his choices of what he likes to do. Peer pressure does not exist for him. He likes cartoons and video games, many that are for younger kids, and he has no problem with that. Academicaly, he is at grade level or a little below with everything but reading comprehension, in which he is several years behind. He has an innocence that few (if any) other kids his age has. He is so incredibly kind hearted. I am so grateful for so many of his traits. He is a fantastic kid.

He struggles with many issues, but manages most situations pretty well. His little brother on the other hand has so many more severe problems. He has made great progress over the years, and he has worked incredibly hard. But he cannot speak, and is still trapped by many severe sensory issues. Both boys were vaccine injured. Their inner strength and spirit are what make them so special, not their brain injuries. This is the issue I have with the NT's. One of the main points of the NT's cause: to deny vaccines role in autism. That is reprehensible to me.

Sylvia

no-forced-vaccination From: rpggyr@...Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:46:39 +0000Subject: Re: Mother..Load!

Lolita,This is my perspective, coming from a grandmother raising an ASD grandduaghter. I have spent most of my time fighting and advocating for my granddaughters right to exist. Now please don't anyone take this the wrong way. It is sometimes very difficult to advocate for a high functioning autistic because of the very fact that they are considered high functioning. The interesting thing about them is that they have the same difficulties as the lower functioning but they can talk. The problem with that is most people misunderstand their level of disability and think they can just change it if they want to. Nothing could be further from the truth. I can remember something my granddauhgter said at an IEP meeting a few months back. I will quote her. By the way this was a meeting about social skills and the fact that she is not interested in dressing like the other girls which she refers to as prom girls. "I like to be comfortable (Sensory Issue here) and I don't care what anyone thinks, or if they don't like the way I dress.(sounds pretty self assured to me) I don't have anything in common with those PROM GIRLS, Why can't people just let be be myself???Now I have to tell you that the school shrinks have been trying for years to slap a psych Dx on her, low self esteem, anxiety disorder, depression, etc, etc. She will come right out and tell you she is different. She likes who she is, and doesn't want to be different. This is the perspective from the aspergers point of view. If you asked me I would loved to find a so called cure, and you can bet I'm still trying, I will however continue to fight for her right to be who she is. If by the egrace of God I, or we do find an universal cure there are somethings about her I never want to change. Peggy> > >Kathleen Seidel is a propaganda expert who writes all sorts of> >insanity with the sole goal of preventing anyone from curing autism.> >You should not believe one word out of her mouth. She is a very> >sophistocated liar.> > Let me try and present the view from the autistic world- if I may.> > Most feel that they don't need nor want cured. That even suggesting a > cure means wanting them annihilate. I'm sure you know there are some > positive things about autism, though from my perspective the positive > is with the high functioning. This perspective is probably totally > warped because I cannot imagine being a low-functioning ASD. Many > autistics feel that the problems they have with socialization are due > to NT's expectations that they must fit into their world. We all feel > alien to this world.> > You can all certainly understand that since this is the way we've > always been we see no reason to change. This is who we are, this is > our personality.> > My own feeling is that the only cure necessary is the one that allows > autistics to be comfortable within their own skin. If they are in > pain, cure that. If they want to socialize, but cannot, cure that. If > they want to communicate but can't, cure that. Cure their guts, cure > their lack of self-control, cure all things that make their lives > painful to them, but don't take away their personalities. Allow them > to choose to live in a world that is totally foreign to you, if that > is their choice.> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc & feature=related> > > Lolita> > > > > > > > > > "Children- take 'em as they run-> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!> Treat 'em right and reco'nize> Human souls is just one size." Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916>

[Guest guest]

Lolita, Baggs is not autistic. She is an actress who damaged

her brain with LSD at age 15 and was forced to drop out of college at

that age. She stars in videos and at autism conferences as the

spokesmodel for Neurodiversity.

While we can't speak for those who are not able to talk to pretend

we know whether they want to be cured or not, we do know that no

child who has ben cured of autism has ever asked to revert to being

autistic again. There is nothing positive about autism. Those who

make that claim are mostly people who have diagnosed themselves with

Asperger's and are a part of this inane propaganda that is trying to

prevent decent parents from helping their children.

>

> >Kathleen Seidel is a propaganda expert who writes all sorts of

> >insanity with the sole goal of preventing anyone from curing

autism.

> >You should not believe one word out of her mouth. She is a very

> >sophistocated liar.

>

> Let me try and present the view from the autistic world- if I may.

>

> Most feel that they don't need nor want cured. That even suggesting

a

> cure means wanting them annihilate. I'm sure you know there are

some

> positive things about autism, though from my perspective the

positive

> is with the high functioning. This perspective is probably totally

> warped because I cannot imagine being a low-functioning ASD. Many

> autistics feel that the problems they have with socialization are

due

> to NT's expectations that they must fit into their world. We all

feel

> alien to this world.

>

> You can all certainly understand that since this is the way we've

> always been we see no reason to change. This is who we are, this is

> our personality.

>

> My own feeling is that the only cure necessary is the one that

allows

> autistics to be comfortable within their own skin. If they are in

> pain, cure that. If they want to socialize, but cannot, cure that.

If

> they want to communicate but can't, cure that. Cure their guts,

cure

> their lack of self-control, cure all things that make their lives

> painful to them, but don't take away their personalities. Allow

them

> to choose to live in a world that is totally foreign to you, if

that

> is their choice.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc & feature=related

>

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

At 07:43 PM 6/20/2008, you wrote:

>Lolita, Baggs is not autistic. She is an actress who damaged

>her brain with LSD at age 15 and was forced to drop out of college at

>that age. She stars in videos and at autism conferences as the

>spokesmodel for Neurodiversity.

>

>While we can't speak for those who are not able to talk to pretend

>we know whether they want to be cured or not, we do know that no

>child who has ben cured of autism has ever asked to revert to being

>autistic again. There is nothing positive about autism. Those who

>make that claim are mostly people who have diagnosed themselves with

>Asperger's and are a part of this inane propaganda that is trying to

>prevent decent parents from helping their children.

I disagree that there is nothing positive about autism. Autistics are

able to delve into their interests in ways NT cannot. They are very

creative, making wonderful artists, musicians, authors and scientists.

The majority of the aspies I associate with are officially diagnosed.

Those who are self-diagnosed seemed to have done a good job

diagnosing themselves. It doesn't take an expert to learn about and

recognize the symptoms. And all of these people do not want to be

cured. They have grown to appreciate themselves and others like them.

Autistics are honest, they are kind hearted, sensitive people. I wish

the NT world would accept them, they have much to offer.

I'm all for helping your/our children. I'm all for making their lives

easier, more manageable. I'm not comfortable with the idea of wiping

out autism. There is a place for us, we have gifts to offer. Until an

appreciation of those gifts is realized by the NT world there will

continue to be prejudism toward all of us.

I didn't join this list to cause problems, I apologize for causing

any. I do believe that vaccines are damaging, that's why I joined.

But I have become uncomfortable with the attitude toward the autistic

world. I didn't know about Baggs, but if you go to youtube you

can search and find many videos about autism and asperger's. Some are

heartbreaking, some can open your eyes and let you see inside their

world. I wouldn't want to be LFA, but I wouldn't want to be NT

either. As difficult as it sometimes to be AS, I find I like myself

better than anyone else.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

Okay,

That wiew has me a bit confused.. First of all, I didnt read that

Kathleen Siedel link.. Is this perspective you are posting..yours???

Let me try to get this straight..

By that viewpoint or perspective of an autistic, you are saying that

we ought to cure the symptoms of autism but let them be who they are

as human beings?? Because I am not sure if I read what you said the

wrong way..

I believe in curing autism...doing so by.... getting rid of the

source and curing the damage caused by the source.. I don't think

that anyone who suffers from autism or any disease caused by toxic

damage would be content to be who they have become due to toxic

poisoning.. Maybe I am wrong???? I just have the belief that there

is a better life for my son than a life of autistic struggles..

I can see the perspective of wanting to be accepted into society for

who they are..but what if there is a better part of them to be known

by all without all that comes with autism.

I think in the end after curing the source and then the symptoms,

that would allow a former known autistic to be the individual he/she

truly was intended to be..

In my opinion, A person shouldn't be defined by the difficulties or

lack thereof. Every individual should have the right to choose who

they are or will become..despite the stupid government and Pharma

crapheads who want to dictate who we are going to become or how we

are going to live or more like steadily die.

Correct me if I am wrong..but that is my opinion...

>

> >Kathleen Seidel is a propaganda expert who writes all sorts of

> >insanity with the sole goal of preventing anyone from curing

autism.

> >You should not believe one word out of her mouth. She is a very

> >sophistocated liar.

>

> Let me try and present the view from the autistic world- if I may.

>

> Most feel that they don't need nor want cured. That even suggesting

a

> cure means wanting them annihilate. I'm sure you know there are

some

> positive things about autism, though from my perspective the

positive

> is with the high functioning. This perspective is probably totally

> warped because I cannot imagine being a low-functioning ASD. Many

> autistics feel that the problems they have with socialization are

due

> to NT's expectations that they must fit into their world. We all

feel

> alien to this world.

>

> You can all certainly understand that since this is the way we've

> always been we see no reason to change. This is who we are, this is

> our personality.

>

> My own feeling is that the only cure necessary is the one that

allows

> autistics to be comfortable within their own skin. If they are in

> pain, cure that. If they want to socialize, but cannot, cure that.

If

> they want to communicate but can't, cure that. Cure their guts,

cure

> their lack of self-control, cure all things that make their lives

> painful to them, but don't take away their personalities. Allow

them

> to choose to live in a world that is totally foreign to you, if

that

> is their choice.

>

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc & feature=related

>

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

oops.. I meant that the view had me confused..not wiew..ugh.. more

typos.. hahahahha...

> >

> > >Kathleen Seidel is a propaganda expert who writes all sorts of

> > >insanity with the sole goal of preventing anyone from curing

> autism.

> > >You should not believe one word out of her mouth. She is a very

> > >sophistocated liar.

> >

> > Let me try and present the view from the autistic world- if I may.

> >

> > Most feel that they don't need nor want cured. That even

suggesting

> a

> > cure means wanting them annihilate. I'm sure you know there are

> some

> > positive things about autism, though from my perspective the

> positive

> > is with the high functioning. This perspective is probably

totally

> > warped because I cannot imagine being a low-functioning ASD. Many

> > autistics feel that the problems they have with socialization are

> due

> > to NT's expectations that they must fit into their world. We all

> feel

> > alien to this world.

> >

> > You can all certainly understand that since this is the way we've

> > always been we see no reason to change. This is who we are, this

is

> > our personality.

> >

> > My own feeling is that the only cure necessary is the one that

> allows

> > autistics to be comfortable within their own skin. If they are in

> > pain, cure that. If they want to socialize, but cannot, cure

that.

> If

> > they want to communicate but can't, cure that. Cure their guts,

> cure

> > their lack of self-control, cure all things that make their lives

> > painful to them, but don't take away their personalities. Allow

> them

> > to choose to live in a world that is totally foreign to you, if

> that

> > is their choice.

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnylM1hI2jc & feature=related

> >

> >

> > Lolita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Children- take 'em as they run-

> > You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> > Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> > Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Lolita,

I'll briefly explain the scam Kathleen Seidel is trying to

perpetrate. First, her and her followers try to confuse autism and

Asperger's. She has recruited a lot of people who have Asperger's,

yet claim they have autism to send the message that autism is not

that bad. This influences public opinion when people who don't know

anything about autism gain the impression that it is no big deal.

The naive public concludes that autism is nothing but a politically

correct term for " nerds " .

As part of the process, Seidel and her gang clamor about respect

and acceptance, things every parent wants for every kid. There is no

respect and acceptance for kids who can't talk, smear feces and will

have to be institutionalized because they are impossible to handle

and no person on earth could do it once they grow into adults.

No person can honestly deny that these severely affected kids need

lots of help. To oppose curing them is simply insane.

Now, look at the majority of Seidel's writing. It is almost

exclusively an effort of character assassination on anyone who plays

a role in proving that thimerosal caused the epidemic, or who has a

hand in curing autism by treating it as mercury poisoning. Seidel's

main target is Dr Mark Geier who gave us the first real proof we had

that thimerosal caused the epidemic. Geier is also curing autism by

using a method that he invented to remove the mercury using Lupron.

Seidel never mentions that Dr Geier is helping autistic kids but she

does make the absurd claim that using Lupron is chemically castrating

these children.

Seidel also abets Baggs' fraud by helping her put her

medical records in order so it seems that she has a proper diagnosis

of autism (she doesn't) and drives her places where her pretending to

be a low functioning autistic who does not want a cure is put on

dosplay to further Seidel's agenda.

Seidel is also linked to Quackbusters who are an arm of the

Pharmaceutical industry with the sole goal of denouncing all

alternative medicine that might take money out of the pockets of

mainstream medicine.

>

> >Lolita, Baggs is not autistic. She is an actress who damaged

> >her brain with LSD at age 15 and was forced to drop out of college

at

> >that age. She stars in videos and at autism conferences as the

> >spokesmodel for Neurodiversity.

> >

> >While we can't speak for those who are not able to talk to pretend

> >we know whether they want to be cured or not, we do know that no

> >child who has ben cured of autism has ever asked to revert to being

> >autistic again. There is nothing positive about autism. Those who

> >make that claim are mostly people who have diagnosed themselves

with

> >Asperger's and are a part of this inane propaganda that is trying

to

> >prevent decent parents from helping their children.

>

> I disagree that there is nothing positive about autism. Autistics

are

> able to delve into their interests in ways NT cannot. They are very

> creative, making wonderful artists, musicians, authors and

scientists.

>

> The majority of the aspies I associate with are officially

diagnosed.

> Those who are self-diagnosed seemed to have done a good job

> diagnosing themselves. It doesn't take an expert to learn about and

> recognize the symptoms. And all of these people do not want to be

> cured. They have grown to appreciate themselves and others like

them.

>

> Autistics are honest, they are kind hearted, sensitive people. I

wish

> the NT world would accept them, they have much to offer.

>

> I'm all for helping your/our children. I'm all for making their

lives

> easier, more manageable. I'm not comfortable with the idea of

wiping

> out autism. There is a place for us, we have gifts to offer. Until

an

> appreciation of those gifts is realized by the NT world there will

> continue to be prejudism toward all of us.

>

> I didn't join this list to cause problems, I apologize for causing

> any. I do believe that vaccines are damaging, that's why I joined.

> But I have become uncomfortable with the attitude toward the

autistic

> world. I didn't know about Baggs, but if you go to youtube

you

> can search and find many videos about autism and asperger's. Some

are

> heartbreaking, some can open your eyes and let you see inside their

> world. I wouldn't want to be LFA, but I wouldn't want to be NT

> either. As difficult as it sometimes to be AS, I find I like myself

> better than anyone else.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

Lolita,

I'll briefly explain the scam Kathleen Seidel is trying to

perpetrate. First, her and her followers try to confuse autism and

Asperger's. She has recruited a lot of people who have Asperger's,

yet claim they have autism to send the message that autism is not

that bad. This influences public opinion when people who don't know

anything about autism gain the impression that it is no big deal.

The naive public concludes that autism is nothing but a politically

correct term for " nerds " .

As part of the process, Seidel and her gang clamor about respect

and acceptance, things every parent wants for every kid. There is no

respect and acceptance for kids who can't talk, smear feces and will

have to be institutionalized because they are impossible to handle

and no person on earth could do it once they grow into adults.

No person can honestly deny that these severely affected kids need

lots of help. To oppose curing them is simply insane.

Now, look at the majority of Seidel's writing. It is almost

exclusively an effort of character assassination on anyone who plays

a role in proving that thimerosal caused the epidemic, or who has a

hand in curing autism by treating it as mercury poisoning. Seidel's

main target is Dr Mark Geier who gave us the first real proof we had

that thimerosal caused the epidemic. Geier is also curing autism by

using a method that he invented to remove the mercury using Lupron.

Seidel never mentions that Dr Geier is helping autistic kids but she

does make the absurd claim that using Lupron is chemically castrating

these children.

Seidel also abets Baggs' fraud by helping her put her

medical records in order so it seems that she has a proper diagnosis

of autism (she doesn't) and drives her places where her pretending to

be a low functioning autistic who does not want a cure is put on

dosplay to further Seidel's agenda.

Seidel is also linked to Quackbusters who are an arm of the

Pharmaceutical industry with the sole goal of denouncing all

alternative medicine that might take money out of the pockets of

mainstream medicine.

>

> >Lolita, Baggs is not autistic. She is an actress who damaged

> >her brain with LSD at age 15 and was forced to drop out of college

at

> >that age. She stars in videos and at autism conferences as the

> >spokesmodel for Neurodiversity.

> >

> >While we can't speak for those who are not able to talk to pretend

> >we know whether they want to be cured or not, we do know that no

> >child who has ben cured of autism has ever asked to revert to being

> >autistic again. There is nothing positive about autism. Those who

> >make that claim are mostly people who have diagnosed themselves

with

> >Asperger's and are a part of this inane propaganda that is trying

to

> >prevent decent parents from helping their children.

>

> I disagree that there is nothing positive about autism. Autistics

are

> able to delve into their interests in ways NT cannot. They are very

> creative, making wonderful artists, musicians, authors and

scientists.

>

> The majority of the aspies I associate with are officially

diagnosed.

> Those who are self-diagnosed seemed to have done a good job

> diagnosing themselves. It doesn't take an expert to learn about and

> recognize the symptoms. And all of these people do not want to be

> cured. They have grown to appreciate themselves and others like

them.

>

> Autistics are honest, they are kind hearted, sensitive people. I

wish

> the NT world would accept them, they have much to offer.

>

> I'm all for helping your/our children. I'm all for making their

lives

> easier, more manageable. I'm not comfortable with the idea of

wiping

> out autism. There is a place for us, we have gifts to offer. Until

an

> appreciation of those gifts is realized by the NT world there will

> continue to be prejudism toward all of us.

>

> I didn't join this list to cause problems, I apologize for causing

> any. I do believe that vaccines are damaging, that's why I joined.

> But I have become uncomfortable with the attitude toward the

autistic

> world. I didn't know about Baggs, but if you go to youtube

you

> can search and find many videos about autism and asperger's. Some

are

> heartbreaking, some can open your eyes and let you see inside their

> world. I wouldn't want to be LFA, but I wouldn't want to be NT

> either. As difficult as it sometimes to be AS, I find I like myself

> better than anyone else.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

At 09:06 PM 6/20/2008, you wrote:

>Okay,

>

>That wiew has me a bit confused.. First of all, I didnt read that

>Kathleen Siedel link.. Is this perspective you are posting..yours???

>

>Let me try to get this straight..

>

>By that viewpoint or perspective of an autistic, you are saying that

>we ought to cure the symptoms of autism but let them be who they are

>as human beings?? Because I am not sure if I read what you said the

>wrong way..

No, just the symptoms that cause pain, discomfort. There are symptoms

that are used to describe autism that are not negative, just different than NT.

>I believe in curing autism...doing so by.... getting rid of the

>source and curing the damage caused by the source.. I don't think

>that anyone who suffers from autism or any disease caused by toxic

>damage would be content to be who they have become due to toxic

>poisoning.. Maybe I am wrong???? I just have the belief that there

>is a better life for my son than a life of autistic struggles..

Certainly get rid of toxic substances. I'm not sure that toxic

substances are the only cause of autism. I'm not convinced that some

autism isn't a natural occurrence.

>I can see the perspective of wanting to be accepted into society for

>who they are..but what if there is a better part of them to be known

>by all without all that comes with autism.

Part of who they are is also what autism is.

>I think in the end after curing the source and then the symptoms,

>that would allow a former known autistic to be the individual he/she

>truly was intended to be..

Perhaps. But perhaps they are as they were meant to be, without a cure.

>In my opinion, A person shouldn't be defined by the difficulties or

>lack thereof. Every individual should have the right to choose who

>they are or will become..despite the stupid government and Pharma

>crapheads who want to dictate who we are going to become or how we

>are going to live or more like steadily die.

Exactly.

>Correct me if I am wrong..but that is my opinion...

And doesn't variety make for an interesting world?

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

At 09:06 PM 6/20/2008, you wrote:

>Okay,

>

>That wiew has me a bit confused.. First of all, I didnt read that

>Kathleen Siedel link.. Is this perspective you are posting..yours???

>

>Let me try to get this straight..

>

>By that viewpoint or perspective of an autistic, you are saying that

>we ought to cure the symptoms of autism but let them be who they are

>as human beings?? Because I am not sure if I read what you said the

>wrong way..

No, just the symptoms that cause pain, discomfort. There are symptoms

that are used to describe autism that are not negative, just different than NT.

>I believe in curing autism...doing so by.... getting rid of the

>source and curing the damage caused by the source.. I don't think

>that anyone who suffers from autism or any disease caused by toxic

>damage would be content to be who they have become due to toxic

>poisoning.. Maybe I am wrong???? I just have the belief that there

>is a better life for my son than a life of autistic struggles..

Certainly get rid of toxic substances. I'm not sure that toxic

substances are the only cause of autism. I'm not convinced that some

autism isn't a natural occurrence.

>I can see the perspective of wanting to be accepted into society for

>who they are..but what if there is a better part of them to be known

>by all without all that comes with autism.

Part of who they are is also what autism is.

>I think in the end after curing the source and then the symptoms,

>that would allow a former known autistic to be the individual he/she

>truly was intended to be..

Perhaps. But perhaps they are as they were meant to be, without a cure.

>In my opinion, A person shouldn't be defined by the difficulties or

>lack thereof. Every individual should have the right to choose who

>they are or will become..despite the stupid government and Pharma

>crapheads who want to dictate who we are going to become or how we

>are going to live or more like steadily die.

Exactly.

>Correct me if I am wrong..but that is my opinion...

And doesn't variety make for an interesting world?

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

At 09:52 PM 6/20/2008, you wrote:

>Lolita,

>I'll briefly explain the scam Kathleen Seidel is trying to

>perpetrate. First, her and her followers try to confuse autism and

>Asperger's. She has recruited a lot of people who have Asperger's,

>yet claim they have autism to send the message that autism is not

>that bad. This influences public opinion when people who don't know

>anything about autism gain the impression that it is no big deal.

>The naive public concludes that autism is nothing but a politically

>correct term for " nerds " .

>As part of the process, Seidel and her gang clamor about respect

>and acceptance, things every parent wants for every kid. There is no

>respect and acceptance for kids who can't talk, smear feces and will

>have to be institutionalized because they are impossible to handle

>and no person on earth could do it once they grow into adults.

>No person can honestly deny that these severely affected kids need

>lots of help. To oppose curing them is simply insane.

>Now, look at the majority of Seidel's writing. It is almost

>exclusively an effort of character assassination on anyone who plays

>a role in proving that thimerosal caused the epidemic, or who has a

>hand in curing autism by treating it as mercury poisoning. Seidel's

>main target is Dr Mark Geier who gave us the first real proof we had

>that thimerosal caused the epidemic. Geier is also curing autism by

>using a method that he invented to remove the mercury using Lupron.

>Seidel never mentions that Dr Geier is helping autistic kids but she

>does make the absurd claim that using Lupron is chemically castrating

>these children.

>Seidel also abets Baggs' fraud by helping her put her

>medical records in order so it seems that she has a proper diagnosis

>of autism (she doesn't) and drives her places where her pretending to

>be a low functioning autistic who does not want a cure is put on

>dosplay to further Seidel's agenda.

>Seidel is also linked to Quackbusters who are an arm of the

>Pharmaceutical industry with the sole goal of denouncing all

>alternative medicine that might take money out of the pockets of

>mainstream medicine.

Ah. I've met some AS people who don't want to be called autistic. I

personally believe it's all in the same spectrum. I'd add ADD/ADHD to

that same spectrum.

Most people seem to think of any autism in terms of severe. It's

usually difficult to get others to understand that AS is a mild form

of autism.

Most certainly, those affected severely need a lot of help. I'd

certainly never suggest they don't, nor would I ever suggest to not

do all that can be done to help them be the best of who they are.

No doubt putting mercury in our bodies, our teeth cannot be healthy.

I don't believe vaccines, even without the mercury can be healthy.

Please guide me to where you found the information about

Baggs, as I cannot find anything that says she is LSD brain damaged.

How do you feel about Temple Grandin?

I do not know this Seidel, but I do not like anyone who thinks they

should decide for others.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

At 09:52 PM 6/20/2008, you wrote:

>Lolita,

>I'll briefly explain the scam Kathleen Seidel is trying to

>perpetrate. First, her and her followers try to confuse autism and

>Asperger's. She has recruited a lot of people who have Asperger's,

>yet claim they have autism to send the message that autism is not

>that bad. This influences public opinion when people who don't know

>anything about autism gain the impression that it is no big deal.

>The naive public concludes that autism is nothing but a politically

>correct term for " nerds " .

>As part of the process, Seidel and her gang clamor about respect

>and acceptance, things every parent wants for every kid. There is no

>respect and acceptance for kids who can't talk, smear feces and will

>have to be institutionalized because they are impossible to handle

>and no person on earth could do it once they grow into adults.

>No person can honestly deny that these severely affected kids need

>lots of help. To oppose curing them is simply insane.

>Now, look at the majority of Seidel's writing. It is almost

>exclusively an effort of character assassination on anyone who plays

>a role in proving that thimerosal caused the epidemic, or who has a

>hand in curing autism by treating it as mercury poisoning. Seidel's

>main target is Dr Mark Geier who gave us the first real proof we had

>that thimerosal caused the epidemic. Geier is also curing autism by

>using a method that he invented to remove the mercury using Lupron.

>Seidel never mentions that Dr Geier is helping autistic kids but she

>does make the absurd claim that using Lupron is chemically castrating

>these children.

>Seidel also abets Baggs' fraud by helping her put her

>medical records in order so it seems that she has a proper diagnosis

>of autism (she doesn't) and drives her places where her pretending to

>be a low functioning autistic who does not want a cure is put on

>dosplay to further Seidel's agenda.

>Seidel is also linked to Quackbusters who are an arm of the

>Pharmaceutical industry with the sole goal of denouncing all

>alternative medicine that might take money out of the pockets of

>mainstream medicine.

Ah. I've met some AS people who don't want to be called autistic. I

personally believe it's all in the same spectrum. I'd add ADD/ADHD to

that same spectrum.

Most people seem to think of any autism in terms of severe. It's

usually difficult to get others to understand that AS is a mild form

of autism.

Most certainly, those affected severely need a lot of help. I'd

certainly never suggest they don't, nor would I ever suggest to not

do all that can be done to help them be the best of who they are.

No doubt putting mercury in our bodies, our teeth cannot be healthy.

I don't believe vaccines, even without the mercury can be healthy.

Please guide me to where you found the information about

Baggs, as I cannot find anything that says she is LSD brain damaged.

How do you feel about Temple Grandin?

I do not know this Seidel, but I do not like anyone who thinks they

should decide for others.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

Lolita,

Here is one piece where we see that Baggs' lawyer admitted she

was a fraud.

http://tinyurl.com/3bbbqp

There are about 20 other entries in this blog that detail the fraud.

The ones from early 2007 have the most evidence.

>

> >Lolita,

> >I'll briefly explain the scam Kathleen Seidel is trying to

> >perpetrate. First, her and her followers try to confuse autism and

> >Asperger's. She has recruited a lot of people who have Asperger's,

> >yet claim they have autism to send the message that autism is not

> >that bad. This influences public opinion when people who don't know

> >anything about autism gain the impression that it is no big deal.

> >The naive public concludes that autism is nothing but a politically

> >correct term for " nerds " .

> >As part of the process, Seidel and her gang clamor about respect

> >and acceptance, things every parent wants for every kid. There is

no

> >respect and acceptance for kids who can't talk, smear feces and

will

> >have to be institutionalized because they are impossible to handle

> >and no person on earth could do it once they grow into adults.

> >No person can honestly deny that these severely affected kids need

> >lots of help. To oppose curing them is simply insane.

> >Now, look at the majority of Seidel's writing. It is almost

> >exclusively an effort of character assassination on anyone who

plays

> >a role in proving that thimerosal caused the epidemic, or who has a

> >hand in curing autism by treating it as mercury poisoning. Seidel's

> >main target is Dr Mark Geier who gave us the first real proof we

had

> >that thimerosal caused the epidemic. Geier is also curing autism by

> >using a method that he invented to remove the mercury using Lupron.

> >Seidel never mentions that Dr Geier is helping autistic kids but

she

> >does make the absurd claim that using Lupron is chemically

castrating

> >these children.

> >Seidel also abets Baggs' fraud by helping her put her

> >medical records in order so it seems that she has a proper

diagnosis

> >of autism (she doesn't) and drives her places where her pretending

to

> >be a low functioning autistic who does not want a cure is put on

> >dosplay to further Seidel's agenda.

> >Seidel is also linked to Quackbusters who are an arm of the

> >Pharmaceutical industry with the sole goal of denouncing all

> >alternative medicine that might take money out of the pockets of

> >mainstream medicine.

>

> Ah. I've met some AS people who don't want to be called autistic. I

> personally believe it's all in the same spectrum. I'd add ADD/ADHD

to

> that same spectrum.

>

> Most people seem to think of any autism in terms of severe. It's

> usually difficult to get others to understand that AS is a mild

form

> of autism.

>

> Most certainly, those affected severely need a lot of help. I'd

> certainly never suggest they don't, nor would I ever suggest to not

> do all that can be done to help them be the best of who they are.

>

> No doubt putting mercury in our bodies, our teeth cannot be

healthy.

> I don't believe vaccines, even without the mercury can be healthy.

>

> Please guide me to where you found the information about

> Baggs, as I cannot find anything that says she is LSD brain

damaged.

> How do you feel about Temple Grandin?

>

> I do not know this Seidel, but I do not like anyone who thinks they

> should decide for others.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

Lolita,

Here is one piece where we see that Baggs' lawyer admitted she

was a fraud.

http://tinyurl.com/3bbbqp

There are about 20 other entries in this blog that detail the fraud.

The ones from early 2007 have the most evidence.

>

> >Lolita,

> >I'll briefly explain the scam Kathleen Seidel is trying to

> >perpetrate. First, her and her followers try to confuse autism and

> >Asperger's. She has recruited a lot of people who have Asperger's,

> >yet claim they have autism to send the message that autism is not

> >that bad. This influences public opinion when people who don't know

> >anything about autism gain the impression that it is no big deal.

> >The naive public concludes that autism is nothing but a politically

> >correct term for " nerds " .

> >As part of the process, Seidel and her gang clamor about respect

> >and acceptance, things every parent wants for every kid. There is

no

> >respect and acceptance for kids who can't talk, smear feces and

will

> >have to be institutionalized because they are impossible to handle

> >and no person on earth could do it once they grow into adults.

> >No person can honestly deny that these severely affected kids need

> >lots of help. To oppose curing them is simply insane.

> >Now, look at the majority of Seidel's writing. It is almost

> >exclusively an effort of character assassination on anyone who

plays

> >a role in proving that thimerosal caused the epidemic, or who has a

> >hand in curing autism by treating it as mercury poisoning. Seidel's

> >main target is Dr Mark Geier who gave us the first real proof we

had

> >that thimerosal caused the epidemic. Geier is also curing autism by

> >using a method that he invented to remove the mercury using Lupron.

> >Seidel never mentions that Dr Geier is helping autistic kids but

she

> >does make the absurd claim that using Lupron is chemically

castrating

> >these children.

> >Seidel also abets Baggs' fraud by helping her put her

> >medical records in order so it seems that she has a proper

diagnosis

> >of autism (she doesn't) and drives her places where her pretending

to

> >be a low functioning autistic who does not want a cure is put on

> >dosplay to further Seidel's agenda.

> >Seidel is also linked to Quackbusters who are an arm of the

> >Pharmaceutical industry with the sole goal of denouncing all

> >alternative medicine that might take money out of the pockets of

> >mainstream medicine.

>

> Ah. I've met some AS people who don't want to be called autistic. I

> personally believe it's all in the same spectrum. I'd add ADD/ADHD

to

> that same spectrum.

>

> Most people seem to think of any autism in terms of severe. It's

> usually difficult to get others to understand that AS is a mild

form

> of autism.

>

> Most certainly, those affected severely need a lot of help. I'd

> certainly never suggest they don't, nor would I ever suggest to not

> do all that can be done to help them be the best of who they are.

>

> No doubt putting mercury in our bodies, our teeth cannot be

healthy.

> I don't believe vaccines, even without the mercury can be healthy.

>

> Please guide me to where you found the information about

> Baggs, as I cannot find anything that says she is LSD brain

damaged.

> How do you feel about Temple Grandin?

>

> I do not know this Seidel, but I do not like anyone who thinks they

> should decide for others.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm...

Lolita,

I don't share your opinion about autistics..

I believe that God didn't intend them to struggle so much..

I welcome the gifts that do come with autism..but however, I dont

accept the idea that autism was intended for mine or anyone's child..

My son has not had an " official diagnosis " of autism.. And I don't

think it is necessary for getting one.. I don't want to put my son

in jeopardy of being taken away from me if the medical world chooses

to take him away from me..

How would you know whether those autistics or ASD's don't want to be

cured..?? How would they know..??? They have yet to experience the

possible life without autism.. There is no comparison factor..

If my son could speak for himself, I very much doubt that he would

ask for all of his struggles of autism.. I do agree with you on the

special personality traits that come with autism..but I dont agree

with the idea that autistics don't want to be cured..

Are you Autistic or ASD yourself..??? Just curious..... how you can

form a perspective on this..and be so against curing it..

And besides, aren't all autistics or aspies different in their

struggles and special gifts??? So how can anyone form a generic

assuming opinion representing ALL of them????

>

> >Lolita, Baggs is not autistic. She is an actress who damaged

> >her brain with LSD at age 15 and was forced to drop out of college

at

> >that age. She stars in videos and at autism conferences as the

> >spokesmodel for Neurodiversity.

> >

> >While we can't speak for those who are not able to talk to pretend

> >we know whether they want to be cured or not, we do know that no

> >child who has ben cured of autism has ever asked to revert to being

> >autistic again. There is nothing positive about autism. Those who

> >make that claim are mostly people who have diagnosed themselves

with

> >Asperger's and are a part of this inane propaganda that is trying

to

> >prevent decent parents from helping their children.

>

> I disagree that there is nothing positive about autism. Autistics

are

> able to delve into their interests in ways NT cannot. They are very

> creative, making wonderful artists, musicians, authors and

scientists.

>

> The majority of the aspies I associate with are officially

diagnosed.

> Those who are self-diagnosed seemed to have done a good job

> diagnosing themselves. It doesn't take an expert to learn about and

> recognize the symptoms. And all of these people do not want to be

> cured. They have grown to appreciate themselves and others like

them.

>

> Autistics are honest, they are kind hearted, sensitive people. I

wish

> the NT world would accept them, they have much to offer.

>

> I'm all for helping your/our children. I'm all for making their

lives

> easier, more manageable. I'm not comfortable with the idea of

wiping

> out autism. There is a place for us, we have gifts to offer. Until

an

> appreciation of those gifts is realized by the NT world there will

> continue to be prejudism toward all of us.

>

> I didn't join this list to cause problems, I apologize for causing

> any. I do believe that vaccines are damaging, that's why I joined.

> But I have become uncomfortable with the attitude toward the

autistic

> world. I didn't know about Baggs, but if you go to youtube

you

> can search and find many videos about autism and asperger's. Some

are

> heartbreaking, some can open your eyes and let you see inside their

> world. I wouldn't want to be LFA, but I wouldn't want to be NT

> either. As difficult as it sometimes to be AS, I find I like myself

> better than anyone else.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

Hmm...

Lolita,

I don't share your opinion about autistics..

I believe that God didn't intend them to struggle so much..

I welcome the gifts that do come with autism..but however, I dont

accept the idea that autism was intended for mine or anyone's child..

My son has not had an " official diagnosis " of autism.. And I don't

think it is necessary for getting one.. I don't want to put my son

in jeopardy of being taken away from me if the medical world chooses

to take him away from me..

How would you know whether those autistics or ASD's don't want to be

cured..?? How would they know..??? They have yet to experience the

possible life without autism.. There is no comparison factor..

If my son could speak for himself, I very much doubt that he would

ask for all of his struggles of autism.. I do agree with you on the

special personality traits that come with autism..but I dont agree

with the idea that autistics don't want to be cured..

Are you Autistic or ASD yourself..??? Just curious..... how you can

form a perspective on this..and be so against curing it..

And besides, aren't all autistics or aspies different in their

struggles and special gifts??? So how can anyone form a generic

assuming opinion representing ALL of them????

>

> >Lolita, Baggs is not autistic. She is an actress who damaged

> >her brain with LSD at age 15 and was forced to drop out of college

at

> >that age. She stars in videos and at autism conferences as the

> >spokesmodel for Neurodiversity.

> >

> >While we can't speak for those who are not able to talk to pretend

> >we know whether they want to be cured or not, we do know that no

> >child who has ben cured of autism has ever asked to revert to being

> >autistic again. There is nothing positive about autism. Those who

> >make that claim are mostly people who have diagnosed themselves

with

> >Asperger's and are a part of this inane propaganda that is trying

to

> >prevent decent parents from helping their children.

>

> I disagree that there is nothing positive about autism. Autistics

are

> able to delve into their interests in ways NT cannot. They are very

> creative, making wonderful artists, musicians, authors and

scientists.

>

> The majority of the aspies I associate with are officially

diagnosed.

> Those who are self-diagnosed seemed to have done a good job

> diagnosing themselves. It doesn't take an expert to learn about and

> recognize the symptoms. And all of these people do not want to be

> cured. They have grown to appreciate themselves and others like

them.

>

> Autistics are honest, they are kind hearted, sensitive people. I

wish

> the NT world would accept them, they have much to offer.

>

> I'm all for helping your/our children. I'm all for making their

lives

> easier, more manageable. I'm not comfortable with the idea of

wiping

> out autism. There is a place for us, we have gifts to offer. Until

an

> appreciation of those gifts is realized by the NT world there will

> continue to be prejudism toward all of us.

>

> I didn't join this list to cause problems, I apologize for causing

> any. I do believe that vaccines are damaging, that's why I joined.

> But I have become uncomfortable with the attitude toward the

autistic

> world. I didn't know about Baggs, but if you go to youtube

you

> can search and find many videos about autism and asperger's. Some

are

> heartbreaking, some can open your eyes and let you see inside their

> world. I wouldn't want to be LFA, but I wouldn't want to be NT

> either. As difficult as it sometimes to be AS, I find I like myself

> better than anyone else.

>

> Lolita

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " Children- take 'em as they run-

> You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

>

[Guest guest]

Oops,

I get so excited while typing away that I don't stop to proofread my

stuff before sending..

I meant..

I don't believe that God intended them to struggle so much...

> >

> > >Lolita, Baggs is not autistic. She is an actress who

damaged

> > >her brain with LSD at age 15 and was forced to drop out of

college

> at

> > >that age. She stars in videos and at autism conferences as the

> > >spokesmodel for Neurodiversity.

> > >

> > >While we can't speak for those who are not able to talk to

pretend

> > >we know whether they want to be cured or not, we do know that no

> > >child who has ben cured of autism has ever asked to revert to

being

> > >autistic again. There is nothing positive about autism. Those who

> > >make that claim are mostly people who have diagnosed themselves

> with

> > >Asperger's and are a part of this inane propaganda that is

trying

> to

> > >prevent decent parents from helping their children.

> >

> > I disagree that there is nothing positive about autism. Autistics

> are

> > able to delve into their interests in ways NT cannot. They are

very

> > creative, making wonderful artists, musicians, authors and

> scientists.

> >

> > The majority of the aspies I associate with are officially

> diagnosed.

> > Those who are self-diagnosed seemed to have done a good job

> > diagnosing themselves. It doesn't take an expert to learn about

and

> > recognize the symptoms. And all of these people do not want to be

> > cured. They have grown to appreciate themselves and others like

> them.

> >

> > Autistics are honest, they are kind hearted, sensitive people. I

> wish

> > the NT world would accept them, they have much to offer.

> >

> > I'm all for helping your/our children. I'm all for making their

> lives

> > easier, more manageable. I'm not comfortable with the idea of

> wiping

> > out autism. There is a place for us, we have gifts to offer.

Until

> an

> > appreciation of those gifts is realized by the NT world there

will

> > continue to be prejudism toward all of us.

> >

> > I didn't join this list to cause problems, I apologize for

causing

> > any. I do believe that vaccines are damaging, that's why I

joined.

> > But I have become uncomfortable with the attitude toward the

> autistic

> > world. I didn't know about Baggs, but if you go to youtube

> you

> > can search and find many videos about autism and asperger's. Some

> are

> > heartbreaking, some can open your eyes and let you see inside

their

> > world. I wouldn't want to be LFA, but I wouldn't want to be NT

> > either. As difficult as it sometimes to be AS, I find I like

myself

> > better than anyone else.

> >

> > Lolita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Children- take 'em as they run-

> > You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> > Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> > Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oops,

I get so excited while typing away that I don't stop to proofread my

stuff before sending..

I meant..

I don't believe that God intended them to struggle so much...

> >

> > >Lolita, Baggs is not autistic. She is an actress who

damaged

> > >her brain with LSD at age 15 and was forced to drop out of

college

> at

> > >that age. She stars in videos and at autism conferences as the

> > >spokesmodel for Neurodiversity.

> > >

> > >While we can't speak for those who are not able to talk to

pretend

> > >we know whether they want to be cured or not, we do know that no

> > >child who has ben cured of autism has ever asked to revert to

being

> > >autistic again. There is nothing positive about autism. Those who

> > >make that claim are mostly people who have diagnosed themselves

> with

> > >Asperger's and are a part of this inane propaganda that is

trying

> to

> > >prevent decent parents from helping their children.

> >

> > I disagree that there is nothing positive about autism. Autistics

> are

> > able to delve into their interests in ways NT cannot. They are

very

> > creative, making wonderful artists, musicians, authors and

> scientists.

> >

> > The majority of the aspies I associate with are officially

> diagnosed.

> > Those who are self-diagnosed seemed to have done a good job

> > diagnosing themselves. It doesn't take an expert to learn about

and

> > recognize the symptoms. And all of these people do not want to be

> > cured. They have grown to appreciate themselves and others like

> them.

> >

> > Autistics are honest, they are kind hearted, sensitive people. I

> wish

> > the NT world would accept them, they have much to offer.

> >

> > I'm all for helping your/our children. I'm all for making their

> lives

> > easier, more manageable. I'm not comfortable with the idea of

> wiping

> > out autism. There is a place for us, we have gifts to offer.

Until

> an

> > appreciation of those gifts is realized by the NT world there

will

> > continue to be prejudism toward all of us.

> >

> > I didn't join this list to cause problems, I apologize for

causing

> > any. I do believe that vaccines are damaging, that's why I

joined.

> > But I have become uncomfortable with the attitude toward the

> autistic

> > world. I didn't know about Baggs, but if you go to youtube

> you

> > can search and find many videos about autism and asperger's. Some

> are

> > heartbreaking, some can open your eyes and let you see inside

their

> > world. I wouldn't want to be LFA, but I wouldn't want to be NT

> > either. As difficult as it sometimes to be AS, I find I like

myself

> > better than anyone else.

> >

> > Lolita

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > " Children- take 'em as they run-

> > You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

> > Treat 'em right and reco'nize

> > Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

> >

>

[Guest guest]

At 07:06 PM 6/21/2008, you wrote:

>Hmm...

>

>Lolita,

>

>I don't share your opinion about autistics..

>

>I believe that God didn't intend them to struggle so much..

>

>I welcome the gifts that do come with autism..but however, I dont

>accept the idea that autism was intended for mine or anyone's child..

>

>My son has not had an " official diagnosis " of autism.. And I don't

>think it is necessary for getting one.. I don't want to put my son

>in jeopardy of being taken away from me if the medical world chooses

>to take him away from me..

>

>How would you know whether those autistics or ASD's don't want to be

>cured..?? How would they know..??? They have yet to experience the

>possible life without autism.. There is no comparison factor..

>

>If my son could speak for himself, I very much doubt that he would

>ask for all of his struggles of autism.. I do agree with you on the

>special personality traits that come with autism..but I dont agree

>with the idea that autistics don't want to be cured..

>

>Are you Autistic or ASD yourself..??? Just curious..... how you can

>form a perspective on this..and be so against curing it..

>

>And besides, aren't all autistics or aspies different in their

>struggles and special gifts??? So how can anyone form a generic

>assuming opinion representing ALL of them????

>

>

, I am ASD. I can't imagine being anyone else. But besides that

I believe there are gifts that come with autism- the hyper-focus is

one that produces wonderful music, art, science....etc.

I know that the ASD people that I know don't have any wish to be

cured. I know that they are insulted by the subject. They feel as

though it is saying that you (NT's) want them eradicated. I usually

take the devil's advocate with them, explaining that we cannot

understand the LFA position, so that maybe they would want to be

cured. I have no idea- I don't know their pain anymore than I know

anyone else's unless they tell me. Do you realize that there are many

homeless people who prefer to live that way? We cannot judge what others feel.

All are most certainly different, just as NT's are. But I do know

that there are groups of AS formed to meet and discuss their pride in

being AS. I've heard them speak, and this is what they say. Many talk

about forming a place just for aspies, because we understand each

other, because they feel NT's are against them.

I've also spoken to parents who feel they've wasted their child's

childhood by pursuing the cures. They tell me they'd wish they'd

spent more time just enjoying their child.

If, after you've done all you can to cure your child, if your child

remains autistic, please try to search out those autistics who are

proud of who they are so that your child can also see the value he

has, not despite autism, but perhaps because of it.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916

[Guest guest]

At 07:06 PM 6/21/2008, you wrote:

>Hmm...

>

>Lolita,

>

>I don't share your opinion about autistics..

>

>I believe that God didn't intend them to struggle so much..

>

>I welcome the gifts that do come with autism..but however, I dont

>accept the idea that autism was intended for mine or anyone's child..

>

>My son has not had an " official diagnosis " of autism.. And I don't

>think it is necessary for getting one.. I don't want to put my son

>in jeopardy of being taken away from me if the medical world chooses

>to take him away from me..

>

>How would you know whether those autistics or ASD's don't want to be

>cured..?? How would they know..??? They have yet to experience the

>possible life without autism.. There is no comparison factor..

>

>If my son could speak for himself, I very much doubt that he would

>ask for all of his struggles of autism.. I do agree with you on the

>special personality traits that come with autism..but I dont agree

>with the idea that autistics don't want to be cured..

>

>Are you Autistic or ASD yourself..??? Just curious..... how you can

>form a perspective on this..and be so against curing it..

>

>And besides, aren't all autistics or aspies different in their

>struggles and special gifts??? So how can anyone form a generic

>assuming opinion representing ALL of them????

>

>

, I am ASD. I can't imagine being anyone else. But besides that

I believe there are gifts that come with autism- the hyper-focus is

one that produces wonderful music, art, science....etc.

I know that the ASD people that I know don't have any wish to be

cured. I know that they are insulted by the subject. They feel as

though it is saying that you (NT's) want them eradicated. I usually

take the devil's advocate with them, explaining that we cannot

understand the LFA position, so that maybe they would want to be

cured. I have no idea- I don't know their pain anymore than I know

anyone else's unless they tell me. Do you realize that there are many

homeless people who prefer to live that way? We cannot judge what others feel.

All are most certainly different, just as NT's are. But I do know

that there are groups of AS formed to meet and discuss their pride in

being AS. I've heard them speak, and this is what they say. Many talk

about forming a place just for aspies, because we understand each

other, because they feel NT's are against them.

I've also spoken to parents who feel they've wasted their child's

childhood by pursuing the cures. They tell me they'd wish they'd

spent more time just enjoying their child.

If, after you've done all you can to cure your child, if your child

remains autistic, please try to search out those autistics who are

proud of who they are so that your child can also see the value he

has, not despite autism, but perhaps because of it.

Lolita

" Children- take 'em as they run-

You kin bet on, ev'ry one!

Treat 'em right and reco'nize

Human souls is just one size. " Whitcomb Riley 1849-1916