Minn. mom fights church ban on her autistic son

[Guest guest]

What would Jesus do? My educated guess is that Jesus would ask

every single person in that church to pray for that boy every day.

We’re talking about a Catholic church that permits vaccines,

yes, as long as they don’t have aborted fetal tissue. Though, I’m talking

about the part of the religion that is waiting for Jesus to return. What if

that boy IS Jesus? Those “Catholics” are out of luck… If Jesus were in that

church in body, not spirit, He would cast those people who shunned the boy at

that church and call them sinners, and he’d have that boy right up there by his

side with whoever was left while he preached.

Ange

From:

no-forced-vaccination

[mailto:no-forced-vaccination ] On Behalf Of

Clemons

Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:48 PM

no-forced-vaccination

Subject: Re: Re: Minn. mom fights church ban on

her autistic son

If

you follow the bible, Jesus wouldn't have put all those vaccines in him or his

mother anyway............then maybe he wouldn't have austism so bad he doesn't

even know when and where he is urinating.

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[Guest guest]

What would Jesus do? My educated guess is that Jesus would ask

every single person in that church to pray for that boy every day.

We’re talking about a Catholic church that permits vaccines,

yes, as long as they don’t have aborted fetal tissue. Though, I’m talking

about the part of the religion that is waiting for Jesus to return. What if

that boy IS Jesus? Those “Catholics” are out of luck… If Jesus were in that

church in body, not spirit, He would cast those people who shunned the boy at

that church and call them sinners, and he’d have that boy right up there by his

side with whoever was left while he preached.

Ange

From:

no-forced-vaccination

[mailto:no-forced-vaccination ] On Behalf Of

Clemons

Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 1:48 PM

no-forced-vaccination

Subject: Re: Re: Minn. mom fights church ban on

her autistic son

If

you follow the bible, Jesus wouldn't have put all those vaccines in him or his

mother anyway............then maybe he wouldn't have austism so bad he doesn't

even know when and where he is urinating.

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[Guest guest]

And how would you suggest helping someone else's child from not urinating in a church? Grab his hands or his privates?

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[Guest guest]

The Virgin has appeared to people in the most horrendous of

places… urine shouldn’t matter. Clean it up.

From:

no-forced-vaccination

[mailto:no-forced-vaccination ] On Behalf Of

Clemons

Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:14 PM

no-forced-vaccination

Subject: Re: Re: Minn. mom fights church ban on

her autistic son

And

how would you suggest helping someone else's child from not urinating in a

church? Grab his hands or his privates?

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Minn. mom fights church ban

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[Guest guest]

The Virgin has appeared to people in the most horrendous of

places… urine shouldn’t matter. Clean it up.

From:

no-forced-vaccination

[mailto:no-forced-vaccination ] On Behalf Of

Clemons

Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 2:14 PM

no-forced-vaccination

Subject: Re: Re: Minn. mom fights church ban on

her autistic son

And

how would you suggest helping someone else's child from not urinating in a

church? Grab his hands or his privates?

[no-forced-vaccinat ion] Minn. mom fights church ban

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[Guest guest]

Correcting one of my statements – the Catholic church permits

aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, BUT they ask that people request the ones

without if there is an alternative first. They consider vaccination a public

health issue and want people to be vaccinated.

[Guest guest]

Correcting one of my statements – the Catholic church permits

aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, BUT they ask that people request the ones

without if there is an alternative first. They consider vaccination a public

health issue and want people to be vaccinated.

[Guest guest]

Sure I do. DO you? Are we going to now relate with insults?

I have been around dangerous children and adults. I have a master's degree in criminal justice and more than 8 years of researching vaccines.

That doesn't mean I want my 8 year old daughter getting pissed on in church in the name of "understanding."

We can take anything too far, and "understanding" everything is one of those things.

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[Guest guest]

Sure I do. DO you? Are we going to now relate with insults?

I have been around dangerous children and adults. I have a master's degree in criminal justice and more than 8 years of researching vaccines.

That doesn't mean I want my 8 year old daughter getting pissed on in church in the name of "understanding."

We can take anything too far, and "understanding" everything is one of those things.

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[Guest guest]

Yes, and I of course disagree with them on this as well.

RE: Re: Minn. mom fights church ban on her autistic son

Correcting one of my statements – the Catholic church permits aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, BUT they ask that people request the ones without if there is an alternative first. They consider vaccination a public health issue and want people to be vaccinated.

[Guest guest]

Yes, and I of course disagree with them on this as well.

RE: Re: Minn. mom fights church ban on her autistic son

Correcting one of my statements – the Catholic church permits aborted fetal tissue in vaccines, BUT they ask that people request the ones without if there is an alternative first. They consider vaccination a public health issue and want people to be vaccinated.

[Guest guest]

I am sorry that you choose to remain ignorant about society's

ailments..autistics, schizos, etc..

I will not let you cast away mine nor anyone else's child just

because we are different.

Like Karla said.. Are you a member of the KKK??!!!!!!

You certainly sound like it..

I am sorry..maybe I shouldn't have said that..but.. I can't believe

you can be in a group of people like this for this no forced vaccine

cause and say the things you are saying..

Hypocrite!!!!

The God or Jesus I believe in didn't create poisons in the world..

These poisons in the world today are " OUR " ..meaning (the people in

the industrial revolution)and after etc. creations..

If HE had wanted us to have these poisons, he would have already

created them for us.. NO???

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> > > dangerous, he's dangerous. I dont' understand

how " understanding "

> > > autism helps one if a 6' boy is about to run over them to be

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[Guest guest]

I am sorry that you choose to remain ignorant about society's

ailments..autistics, schizos, etc..

I will not let you cast away mine nor anyone else's child just

because we are different.

Like Karla said.. Are you a member of the KKK??!!!!!!

You certainly sound like it..

I am sorry..maybe I shouldn't have said that..but.. I can't believe

you can be in a group of people like this for this no forced vaccine

cause and say the things you are saying..

Hypocrite!!!!

The God or Jesus I believe in didn't create poisons in the world..

These poisons in the world today are " OUR " ..meaning (the people in

the industrial revolution)and after etc. creations..

If HE had wanted us to have these poisons, he would have already

created them for us.. NO???

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> > > > On the one hand I feel bad for her, on the other hand if he's

> > > dangerous, he's dangerous. I dont' understand

how " understanding "

> > > autism helps one if a 6' boy is about to run over them to be

the

> > > first out of the pew.

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[Guest guest]

You breed hatred..

I feel very sorry for you!!!!

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> > > > > On the one hand I feel bad for her, on the other hand

if he's

> > > > dangerous, he's dangerous. I dont' understand

> how " understanding "

> > > > autism helps one if a 6' boy is about to run over them to be

> the

> > > > first out of the pew.

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[Guest guest]

I live today's ailments, what are you freaking out about? That I would not want my child around someone that pulls out his penis and urinates in front of her????????

Uh, okay. We clearly won't see eye to eye on this one, but to sit there and insult me for being practical is totally uneeded.

You clearly aren't even reading what I"m writing. I didn't say to throw the baby out with the bath water, I said that there is more to this than simply holding hands and "understanding" each other......

Good night, take a chill pill.

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[Guest guest]

What?

See, this is why most people can't have real conversations. You don't agree with me so that makes me a hate mongering member of the KKK?

How freaking insane. THIS is why most people think anti-vaxxer's are nuts, you can't even let me disagree with you without insulting me and trying to guilt me into agreeing that people should be endangered at church.

Whatever.

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[Guest guest]

What?

See, this is why most people can't have real conversations. You don't agree with me so that makes me a hate mongering member of the KKK?

How freaking insane. THIS is why most people think anti-vaxxer's are nuts, you can't even let me disagree with you without insulting me and trying to guilt me into agreeing that people should be endangered at church.

Whatever.

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[Guest guest]

Your retorts are only evidence of your fear...

I didnt mean to insinuate that you are a member of the KKK.. I was

only basing my angered statement on all of these angry posts by you..

Sad day..

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> > > > > > On the one hand I feel bad for her, on the other hand

> if he's

> > > > > dangerous, he's dangerous. I dont' understand

> > how " understanding "

> > > > > autism helps one if a 6' boy is about to run over them to

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[Guest guest]

Funny thing is I'm not angry, but you clearly are. I am saying that if the young man was a part of MY church and the church had tried other methods and he was still being disrubtive and dangerous, what on earth should the church do?

There are many options here, but letting him ruin the experience for everyone else would not be high on my list of have to do.

You are the angry one and it's strange that you've decided to lash out over a totally hypothetical opinion since neither of us are even members of the church, but again, whatever.

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[Guest guest]

Funny thing is I'm not angry, but you clearly are. I am saying that if the young man was a part of MY church and the church had tried other methods and he was still being disrubtive and dangerous, what on earth should the church do?

There are many options here, but letting him ruin the experience for everyone else would not be high on my list of have to do.

You are the angry one and it's strange that you've decided to lash out over a totally hypothetical opinion since neither of us are even members of the church, but again, whatever.

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[Guest guest]

This has been an interesting study, but needs to be put to rest, on our personal views of this story.. It shouldn't have started name calling, personal attacks, or religious venting, as some here may not be overtly religious. As we know, religion and politics and even Baseball, lol, can get out of hand. It wasn't our story, altho most have empathy, and personal references to their opinions, or input on this disturbing development. So wish this family well, and support them in spirit, that a good solution or outcome will be found for the satisfaction of all concerned. And feel badly that it had to reach media sensationalism to get that attention it may need to find resolve. This type of media story is intended to rile the masses. We Bit! As far as the question of why the mom needs to feel she has to separate the autistic son from the rest of the family sometimes,

you would have to ask her. I dont know about the rest of you, but I really dont want to see any more posts with this header, lol. All Hold hands now and sing Kumbya. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

This has been an interesting study, but needs to be put to rest, on our personal views of this story.. It shouldn't have started name calling, personal attacks, or religious venting, as some here may not be overtly religious. As we know, religion and politics and even Baseball, lol, can get out of hand. It wasn't our story, altho most have empathy, and personal references to their opinions, or input on this disturbing development. So wish this family well, and support them in spirit, that a good solution or outcome will be found for the satisfaction of all concerned. And feel badly that it had to reach media sensationalism to get that attention it may need to find resolve. This type of media story is intended to rile the masses. We Bit! As far as the question of why the mom needs to feel she has to separate the autistic son from the rest of the family sometimes,

you would have to ask her. I dont know about the rest of you, but I really dont want to see any more posts with this header, lol. All Hold hands now and sing Kumbya. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

[Guest guest]

I'm probably going to regret this but I would like to state my

opinion. First off the boy is not responsible for his behavior. There

is no doubt about that. The mother is responsible for protecting him,

and anyone else he may harm, or even offend. Peeing in Church is not

acceptable behavior, the fact that the child does not know it is

unacceptable is understandable, but the mother sure as hell does. Of

couse we don't know the whole story, but considering the flavor of

the article it appears this mother feels that ther son's disability,

and the behavior that sometimes goes along with it should be

accepted. You see the tricky part of this whole article is that

somehow this boy is being held responsible for what he can't control,

when its the mother who should be held responsible for what he can't

control. Yes, he should be allowed to worship and attend church but

that has its limits. I really don't think this is about this young

man at all. I think its about the mother, otherwise the restraining

order would have been against the boy. Just my opinion. Yes we have

to be tolerant, and understanding but now without limits. Here is a

good example. How many times have we all been in church and an

infant, or toddler starts crying, or acting up in church. I don't

recall ever not seeing the parent pick up the child and bring them

outside. The parent accepts the responsibility, and the consequence

of missing the sermon so that everyone else there doesn't have too.

This yound man does not have to attend church as a condition of Gods

love.

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> > > > > > > On the one hand I feel bad for her, on the other hand

> > if he's

> > > > > > dangerous, he's dangerous. I dont' understand

> > > how " understanding "

> > > > > > autism helps one if a 6' boy is about to run over them to

> be

> > > the

> > > > > > first out of the pew.

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church

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[Guest guest]

Yes, I am sorry Karla..

I didn't realize it was going to be drawn out this long..

I didnt intend for the conversation to end up as it has..

I get emotionally charged about these types of issues..because....

what if it was my son being cast out of the church or worse..cast out

of society..?????

One more thing I have to mention is..

In the middle of all this defensive conversation from all sides

within this group, Nobody seemed to comment on the fact that it is

very obvious that poor Adam is suffering the Toxic Damage.. He is an

innocent victim of toxins.. Probably from vaccines.. Isn't that the

who issue that this group is trying to address???

He shows all the signs of toxic damage.. Even the weight gain and

the increased love of food..probably from the MSG and all other toxic

food additives..

I really weep with the family..

Sniff Sniff..

>

> This has been an interesting study, but needs to be put to rest, on

our personal views of this story..

> It shouldn't have started name calling, personal attacks, or

religious venting, as some here may not be overtly religious. As we

know, religion and politics and even Baseball, lol, can get out of

hand. It wasn't our story, altho most have empathy, and personal

references to their opinions, or input on this disturbing

development.

> So wish this family well, and support them in spirit, that a

good solution or outcome will be found for the satisfaction of all

concerned. And feel badly that it had to reach media sensationalism

to get that attention it may need to find resolve. This type of media

story is intended to rile the masses. We Bit!

> As far as the question of why the mom needs to feel she has to

separate the autistic son from the rest of the family sometimes, you

would have to ask her.

> I dont know about the rest of you, but I really dont want to

see any more posts with this header, lol.

> All Hold hands now and sing Kumbya. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I am sorry Karla..

I didn't realize it was going to be drawn out this long..

I didnt intend for the conversation to end up as it has..

I get emotionally charged about these types of issues..because....

what if it was my son being cast out of the church or worse..cast out

of society..?????

One more thing I have to mention is..

In the middle of all this defensive conversation from all sides

within this group, Nobody seemed to comment on the fact that it is

very obvious that poor Adam is suffering the Toxic Damage.. He is an

innocent victim of toxins.. Probably from vaccines.. Isn't that the

who issue that this group is trying to address???

He shows all the signs of toxic damage.. Even the weight gain and

the increased love of food..probably from the MSG and all other toxic

food additives..

I really weep with the family..

Sniff Sniff..

>

> This has been an interesting study, but needs to be put to rest, on

our personal views of this story..

> It shouldn't have started name calling, personal attacks, or

religious venting, as some here may not be overtly religious. As we

know, religion and politics and even Baseball, lol, can get out of

hand. It wasn't our story, altho most have empathy, and personal

references to their opinions, or input on this disturbing

development.

> So wish this family well, and support them in spirit, that a

good solution or outcome will be found for the satisfaction of all

concerned. And feel badly that it had to reach media sensationalism

to get that attention it may need to find resolve. This type of media

story is intended to rile the masses. We Bit!

> As far as the question of why the mom needs to feel she has to

separate the autistic son from the rest of the family sometimes, you

would have to ask her.

> I dont know about the rest of you, but I really dont want to

see any more posts with this header, lol.

> All Hold hands now and sing Kumbya. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL

>