Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery@... writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 , I totally empathize. I am 43 and have had to quit driving, be very careful about staying fit(it is important to me to be in shape as much as i can be and i am doing well at it, 46 in the shoulders and 30 waist, actually to strong for my own good as i can hurt my neck easily)and i have had to give up miost of my sex life but am lucky to have a understanding, christian wife. Christianity has helped a lot in the past 25 yrs. I can still fish which i live doing. I stay away from firearms tho. Gave up hunting....see I was a East Texas country boy , lived on a ranch west of texarkana. Now i give up my loved country life for a life close to drs in st louois. One way i have grown i spiritually ( i do not kno what or if you are in that respect but i think you will respect mine as i will respect yours.) It is very humiliating to give up so much. I was in the Army and a strong and good soldier in Panama...drug wars -got shot in groin up into liver and fell injuring my neck badly , 5 in all disabling conditions, 14 meds a day and arthritis now creeping in to make it all worse, my pain is bad to severe all the time no matter what the PT or meds narcotic only one but strong and a lot and dr says i have so few options but to live out life this way as way to many complications with all the DX's. I understand and care and pray for you. Harold ________________________________ From: <caesareacattery@...> neck pain Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 7:18:35 AM Subject: Re: what do you miss most.. Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ________________________________ From: " tomhfsu@... " <tomhfsu@...> neck pain Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: Re: what do you miss most.. The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, autark@... writes: Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ________________________________ From: " _tomhfsu@..._ (mailto:tomhfsu@...) " <_tomhfsu@..._ (mailto:tomhfsu@...) > _PainInTheNeck-PainInTheNeck-<WPain_ (mailto:neck pain ) Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-<WBR>B The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Harold, & Tom, I used to feel guilty using narcotic pain relievers, & Klonopin . If you were a nurse who used them for pain, or a medical disorder, you were still seen as a drug addict, & an impaired person. I prefer to see myself as focused, & functioning with little pain. Yes, I choose not to live with excruciating pain, & pain medication helps me to work when I need to, & enjoy the finer things in life. The medication makes me functional not high. Actually I was called a substance abuser when I was only taking Klonopin 1 mg at bedtime. I still only take the maximum of 2 regular strength Vicodin's a day, & Motrin 800 mg at bedtime. I am fortunate enough, not to need surgery, & will avoid it, until I risk permanent nerve damage, weakn ess, & intractable pain. Some spinal surgery further deteriorates the other discs, because they need to compensate for the fused discs, which results in significant degeneration, which necessitates further surgery. I look for the least invasive surgery, such as disc shaving for herniated discs. I also would get a 2nd, or 3rd opinion, before I used surgery as my 1st treatment option. Just my personal opnions. June, RN In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, autark@... writes: Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ________________________________ From: " _tomhfsu@..._ (mailto:tomhfsu@...) " <_tomhfsu@..._ (mailto:tomhfsu@...) > _PainInTheNeck-PainInTheNeck-<WPain_ (mailto:neck pain ) Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-<WBR>B The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Adding my little bit, I think they make playgrounds with piles of sand to walk on is another slap. That has to be corrected before I get to take kids to the park. And the mulch ain't any better. I vote for rubber base. You? 'aquila no capit muscas' From: birdcrazy624@... <birdcrazy624@...> Subject: Re: Re: what do you miss most.. neck pain Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 7:51 PM In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, autarksbcglobal (DOT) net writes: Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ____________ _________ _________ __ From: " _tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsuaol (DOT) com) " <_tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsuaol (DOT) com) > _PainInTheNeck- PainInTheNeck- <WPain_ (mailto:PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com) Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- <WBR>B The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2009 Report Share Posted October 29, 2009 Adding my little bit, I think they make playgrounds with piles of sand to walk on is another slap. That has to be corrected before I get to take kids to the park. And the mulch ain't any better. I vote for rubber base. You? 'aquila no capit muscas' From: birdcrazy624@... <birdcrazy624@...> Subject: Re: Re: what do you miss most.. neck pain Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 7:51 PM In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, autarksbcglobal (DOT) net writes: Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ____________ _________ _________ __ From: " _tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsuaol (DOT) com) " <_tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsuaol (DOT) com) > _PainInTheNeck- PainInTheNeck- <WPain_ (mailto:PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com) Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- <WBR>B The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 June, thanks as always, you reply in a way I understand. Heck i have been called a lot of things my self. Some folks dont like the Army. called me a killer, an unforgivable sinner. I dont care any more as i got to get by and thosse voices are just dust in the wind. My dr says surgury is a 50% risk of total paralasis. WE decided that wasnt a good thing. Now the meds are a hassle. no high. just something i have to deal with and i cant live by someone elses self made mores. I turn to the Lord for answers and i get them. They do come in odd packages tho. Some what camoflaged. So to speak. hope a good day comes your way, pain free and feeling happy! Harold ________________________________ From: " birdcrazy624@... " <birdcrazy624@...> neck pain Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 6:13:09 PM Subject: Re: Re: what do you miss most.. Harold, & Tom, I used to feel guilty using narcotic pain relievers, & Klonopin . If you were a nurse who used them for pain, or a medical disorder, you were still seen as a drug addict, & an impaired person. I prefer to see myself as focused, & functioning with little pain. Yes, I choose not to live with excruciating pain, & pain medication helps me to work when I need to, & enjoy the finer things in life. The medication makes me functional not high. Actually I was called a substance abuser when I was only taking Klonopin 1 mg at bedtime. I still only take the maximum of 2 regular strength Vicodin's a day, & Motrin 800 mg at bedtime. I am fortunate enough, not to need surgery, & will avoid it, until I risk permanent nerve damage, weakn ess, & intractable pain. Some spinal surgery further deteriorates the other discs, because they need to compensate for the fused discs, which results in significant degeneration, which necessitates further surgery. I look for the least invasive surgery, such as disc shaving for herniated discs. I also would get a 2nd, or 3rd opinion, before I used surgery as my 1st treatment option. Just my personal opnions. June, RN In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, autarksbcglobal (DOT) net writes: Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ____________ _________ _________ __ From: " _tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsuaol (DOT) com) " <_tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsuaol (DOT) com) > _PainInTheNeck- PainInTheNeck- <WPain_ (mailto:PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com) Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- <WBR>B The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 June, thanks as always, you reply in a way I understand. Heck i have been called a lot of things my self. Some folks dont like the Army. called me a killer, an unforgivable sinner. I dont care any more as i got to get by and thosse voices are just dust in the wind. My dr says surgury is a 50% risk of total paralasis. WE decided that wasnt a good thing. Now the meds are a hassle. no high. just something i have to deal with and i cant live by someone elses self made mores. I turn to the Lord for answers and i get them. They do come in odd packages tho. Some what camoflaged. So to speak. hope a good day comes your way, pain free and feeling happy! Harold ________________________________ From: " birdcrazy624@... " <birdcrazy624@...> neck pain Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 6:13:09 PM Subject: Re: Re: what do you miss most.. Harold, & Tom, I used to feel guilty using narcotic pain relievers, & Klonopin . If you were a nurse who used them for pain, or a medical disorder, you were still seen as a drug addict, & an impaired person. I prefer to see myself as focused, & functioning with little pain. Yes, I choose not to live with excruciating pain, & pain medication helps me to work when I need to, & enjoy the finer things in life. The medication makes me functional not high. Actually I was called a substance abuser when I was only taking Klonopin 1 mg at bedtime. I still only take the maximum of 2 regular strength Vicodin's a day, & Motrin 800 mg at bedtime. I am fortunate enough, not to need surgery, & will avoid it, until I risk permanent nerve damage, weakn ess, & intractable pain. Some spinal surgery further deteriorates the other discs, because they need to compensate for the fused discs, which results in significant degeneration, which necessitates further surgery. I look for the least invasive surgery, such as disc shaving for herniated discs. I also would get a 2nd, or 3rd opinion, before I used surgery as my 1st treatment option. Just my personal opnions. June, RN In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, autarksbcglobal (DOT) net writes: Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ____________ _________ _________ __ From: " _tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsuaol (DOT) com) " <_tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsuaol (DOT) com) > _PainInTheNeck- PainInTheNeck- <WPain_ (mailto:PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com) Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- <WBR>B The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 , I can tell you that I believe that my surgery did just what you said could happen.. It may have fixed the 2 bad ones at the time(or may not have) but I now have 3 more bad disks in by neck and spinal cord damage... Also, it sounds to me that you really do not take much in the way of meds.. I was working on a lot more.. It finally had to stop because I was damaging my liver by taking so many pills to close together so I could function.. You have mentioned this nursing deal multiple times and I have to say it sounds like a lawsuit to me.. It would seem to me that people in a medical position would recognize that driving on meds is much better than the pain.. Of course driving on either can be bad.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 6:13:56 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, birdcrazy624@... writes: Harold, & Tom, I used to feel guilty using narcotic pain relievers, & Klonopin . If you were a nurse who used them for pain, or a medical disorder, you were still seen as a drug addict, & an impaired person. I prefer to see myself as focused, & functioning with little pain. Yes, I choose not to live with excruciating pain, & pain medication helps me to work when I need to, & enjoy the finer things in life. The medication makes me functional not high. Actually I was called a substance abuser when I was only taking Klonopin 1 mg at bedtime. I still only take the maximum of 2 regular strength Vicodin's a day, & Motrin 800 mg at bedtime. I am fortunate enough, not to need surgery, & will avoid it, until I risk permanent nerve damage, weakn ess, & intractable pain. Some spinal surgery further deteriorates the other discs, because they need to compensate for the fused discs, which results in significant degeneration, which necessitates further surgery. I look for the least invasive surgery, such as disc shaving for herniated discs. I also would get a 2nd, or 3rd opinion, before I used surgery as my 1st treatment option. Just my personal opnions. June, RN In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _autark@..._ (mailto:autark@...) writes: Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ________________________________ From: " __tomhfsuaol (DOT) _to_ (mailto:_tomhfsu@...) _ (mailto:_tomhfsu@..._ (mailto:tomhfsu@...) ) " <__tomhfsuaol (DOT) _to_ (mailto:_tomhfsu@...) _ (mailto:_tomhfsu@..._ (mailto:tomhfsu@...) ) > _PainInTheNeck- _PainI<WPain_ (mailto:_PainInTheNeck-PainInTheNeck-<WPain_ (mailto:neck pain ) ) Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: Re: [PainInTheN<WBR>B The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 , I can tell you that I believe that my surgery did just what you said could happen.. It may have fixed the 2 bad ones at the time(or may not have) but I now have 3 more bad disks in by neck and spinal cord damage... Also, it sounds to me that you really do not take much in the way of meds.. I was working on a lot more.. It finally had to stop because I was damaging my liver by taking so many pills to close together so I could function.. You have mentioned this nursing deal multiple times and I have to say it sounds like a lawsuit to me.. It would seem to me that people in a medical position would recognize that driving on meds is much better than the pain.. Of course driving on either can be bad.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 6:13:56 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, birdcrazy624@... writes: Harold, & Tom, I used to feel guilty using narcotic pain relievers, & Klonopin . If you were a nurse who used them for pain, or a medical disorder, you were still seen as a drug addict, & an impaired person. I prefer to see myself as focused, & functioning with little pain. Yes, I choose not to live with excruciating pain, & pain medication helps me to work when I need to, & enjoy the finer things in life. The medication makes me functional not high. Actually I was called a substance abuser when I was only taking Klonopin 1 mg at bedtime. I still only take the maximum of 2 regular strength Vicodin's a day, & Motrin 800 mg at bedtime. I am fortunate enough, not to need surgery, & will avoid it, until I risk permanent nerve damage, weakn ess, & intractable pain. Some spinal surgery further deteriorates the other discs, because they need to compensate for the fused discs, which results in significant degeneration, which necessitates further surgery. I look for the least invasive surgery, such as disc shaving for herniated discs. I also would get a 2nd, or 3rd opinion, before I used surgery as my 1st treatment option. Just my personal opnions. June, RN In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _autark@..._ (mailto:autark@...) writes: Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ________________________________ From: " __tomhfsuaol (DOT) _to_ (mailto:_tomhfsu@...) _ (mailto:_tomhfsu@..._ (mailto:tomhfsu@...) ) " <__tomhfsuaol (DOT) _to_ (mailto:_tomhfsu@...) _ (mailto:_tomhfsu@..._ (mailto:tomhfsu@...) ) > _PainInTheNeck- _PainI<WPain_ (mailto:_PainInTheNeck-PainInTheNeck-<WPain_ (mailto:neck pain ) ) Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: Re: [PainInTheN<WBR>B The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Harold, It is a sad state of affairs that some of these so called peace advocates take out this venom on the people who have served our country.. I may have been against some of our wars but that has no bearing on how I feel about the men and women who fought them Once again let me say that I for one thank you for your service.. Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 11:27:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, autark@... writes: June, thanks as always, you reply in a way I understand. Heck i have been called a lot of things my self. Some folks dont like the Army. called me a killer, an unforgivable sinner. I dont care any more as i got to get by and thosse voices are just dust in the wind. My dr says surgury is a 50% risk of total paralasis. WE decided that wasnt a good thing. Now the meds are a hassle. no high. just something i have to deal with and i cant live by someone elses self made mores. I turn to the Lord for answers and i get them. They do come in odd packages tho. Some what camoflaged. So to speak. hope a good day comes your way, pain free and feeling happy! Harold ________________________________ From: " _birdcrazy624@birdcra_ (mailto:birdcrazy624@...) " <_birdcrazy624@birdcra_ (mailto:birdcrazy624@...) > _PainInTheNeck-PainInTheNeck-<WPain_ (mailto:neck pain ) Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 6:13:09 PM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-<WBR>Back] Re: Harold, & Tom, I used to feel guilty using narcotic pain relievers, & Klonopin . If you were a nurse who used them for pain, or a medical disorder, you were still seen as a drug addict, & an impaired person. I prefer to see myself as focused, & functioning with little pain. Yes, I choose not to live with excruciating pain, & pain medication helps me to work when I need to, & enjoy the finer things in life. The medication makes me functional not high. Actually I was called a substance abuser when I was only taking Klonopin 1 mg at bedtime. I still only take the maximum of 2 regular strength Vicodin's a day, & Motrin 800 mg at bedtime. I am fortunate enough, not to need surgery, & will avoid it, until I risk permanent nerve damage, weakn ess, & intractable pain. Some spinal surgery further deteriorates the other discs, because they need to compensate for the fused discs, which results in significant degeneration, which necessitates further surgery. I look for the least invasive surgery, such as disc shaving for herniated discs. I also would get a 2nd, or 3rd opinion, before I used surgery as my 1st treatment option. Just my personal opnions. June, RN In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, autarksbcglobal (DOT) net writes: Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ____________ _________ _________ __ From: " _tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsu@From: " _tomhfsu@<_tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsu@(mailto:to> _PainInTheNeck- PainInTheNeck- <WPain_ (mailto:PainInTheNe(mailto:PainInTheNe<WBR>ck- Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- <WBR>B The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Harold, It is a sad state of affairs that some of these so called peace advocates take out this venom on the people who have served our country.. I may have been against some of our wars but that has no bearing on how I feel about the men and women who fought them Once again let me say that I for one thank you for your service.. Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 11:27:44 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, autark@... writes: June, thanks as always, you reply in a way I understand. Heck i have been called a lot of things my self. Some folks dont like the Army. called me a killer, an unforgivable sinner. I dont care any more as i got to get by and thosse voices are just dust in the wind. My dr says surgury is a 50% risk of total paralasis. WE decided that wasnt a good thing. Now the meds are a hassle. no high. just something i have to deal with and i cant live by someone elses self made mores. I turn to the Lord for answers and i get them. They do come in odd packages tho. Some what camoflaged. So to speak. hope a good day comes your way, pain free and feeling happy! Harold ________________________________ From: " _birdcrazy624@birdcra_ (mailto:birdcrazy624@...) " <_birdcrazy624@birdcra_ (mailto:birdcrazy624@...) > _PainInTheNeck-PainInTheNeck-<WPain_ (mailto:neck pain ) Sent: Thu, October 29, 2009 6:13:09 PM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck-<WBR>Back] Re: Harold, & Tom, I used to feel guilty using narcotic pain relievers, & Klonopin . If you were a nurse who used them for pain, or a medical disorder, you were still seen as a drug addict, & an impaired person. I prefer to see myself as focused, & functioning with little pain. Yes, I choose not to live with excruciating pain, & pain medication helps me to work when I need to, & enjoy the finer things in life. The medication makes me functional not high. Actually I was called a substance abuser when I was only taking Klonopin 1 mg at bedtime. I still only take the maximum of 2 regular strength Vicodin's a day, & Motrin 800 mg at bedtime. I am fortunate enough, not to need surgery, & will avoid it, until I risk permanent nerve damage, weakn ess, & intractable pain. Some spinal surgery further deteriorates the other discs, because they need to compensate for the fused discs, which results in significant degeneration, which necessitates further surgery. I look for the least invasive surgery, such as disc shaving for herniated discs. I also would get a 2nd, or 3rd opinion, before I used surgery as my 1st treatment option. Just my personal opnions. June, RN In a message dated 10/29/2009 12:37:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, autarksbcglobal (DOT) net writes: Tom, I assuradly agree, with out them id be nothing, ive hade people sugest motrin lololol i take 450 mg oxycdone a day and 3 2 mg clonazepam and 2 10 mg valium out of 14 meds that arent addictive but i can go on living and have some ok moments , yes sir, thats why they make them and those who dont understand either like suffering or havent yet felt what we feel. stay weel and painless friend, Harold ____________ _________ _________ __ From: " _tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsu@From: " _tomhfsu@<_tomhfsuaol (DOT) tom_ (mailto:tomhfsu@(mailto:to> _PainInTheNeck- PainInTheNeck- <WPain_ (mailto:PainInTheNe(mailto:PainInTheNe<WBR>ck- Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:48:30 AM Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- <WBR>B The seemingly mundane moments in life looking back do seem to be precious.. Find the thing that is most precious and decide that you will not give that up.. That is what pain killers are for.. : ) Tom In a message dated 10/29/2009 7:19:37 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, caesareacattery writes: Tom, Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Hi Tom, I think you got me muddled up with Bird Crazy about the nursing thing. I have 4 herniated disks and I have to take a whole buffet of pills just to get thru a day. finially beginning to realise that taking more pain meds is a better way to function instead of being totally miserable all the time. I think if you take pain killers for pain you don't get high as they are doing their job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Hi Tom, I think you got me muddled up with Bird Crazy about the nursing thing. I have 4 herniated disks and I have to take a whole buffet of pills just to get thru a day. finially beginning to realise that taking more pain meds is a better way to function instead of being totally miserable all the time. I think if you take pain killers for pain you don't get high as they are doing their job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 i really don't like to think too much about this but here are a few i miss walking thru the woods when it is snowing and so quiet out you can hear your heart beat, i miss snowmobiling on a clear crisp sunny day, i miss kicking up my feet thru piles of colorful fall leaves, i miss camping with fresh brook trout for dinner cooking over a campfire, i miss flying on horseback thru the meadow, i miss catching gears just right in my old muscle cars (or being able to drive a clutch for that matter), i miss waking up not in pain, i miss days i didn't have to carry pills with me, i miss being able to make plans for tomorrow (until i know what kind of pain day it will be), i miss having dreams of being loved or falling in love again (as no one would want me as fubar as i am), but i miss most of all being trusted anymore to babysit my grandson (since i went on morphine) who even at 18 months old (and all rough and tumble boy) was so gentle with his nana. here's to better days, wyld From: tomhfsu@... <tomhfsu@...> Subject: what do you miss most.. neck pain Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:47 AM I do miss work and having that feeling of accomplishment, but what I really miss is: I had such a different plan for my retirement.. I looked forward to playing doubles (tennis) in the morning with friends and then maybe having a beer afterward with the guys.. I also planned to stay strong enough to be hiking well past the limitations of others and getting into the far reaches of national parks where you are with only those who are into nature as much as Iza and myself are.. In fact I had thought I might be a volunteer up in Yellowstone during my summers and to be active in the conservation of the indigenous wildlife (IE: wolves, bison etc..) I looked forward to sharing lots of sunrises and sunsets with Iza, of all of the things I have look ed forward to this is the one that hurts the most.. I do intend to keep my time in the morning with Iza and am ready to endure whatever pain to needed to not lose that but what has been lost does sometimes grate on a person... : ) Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 i really don't like to think too much about this but here are a few i miss walking thru the woods when it is snowing and so quiet out you can hear your heart beat, i miss snowmobiling on a clear crisp sunny day, i miss kicking up my feet thru piles of colorful fall leaves, i miss camping with fresh brook trout for dinner cooking over a campfire, i miss flying on horseback thru the meadow, i miss catching gears just right in my old muscle cars (or being able to drive a clutch for that matter), i miss waking up not in pain, i miss days i didn't have to carry pills with me, i miss being able to make plans for tomorrow (until i know what kind of pain day it will be), i miss having dreams of being loved or falling in love again (as no one would want me as fubar as i am), but i miss most of all being trusted anymore to babysit my grandson (since i went on morphine) who even at 18 months old (and all rough and tumble boy) was so gentle with his nana. here's to better days, wyld From: tomhfsu@... <tomhfsu@...> Subject: what do you miss most.. neck pain Date: Wednesday, October 28, 2009, 10:47 AM I do miss work and having that feeling of accomplishment, but what I really miss is: I had such a different plan for my retirement.. I looked forward to playing doubles (tennis) in the morning with friends and then maybe having a beer afterward with the guys.. I also planned to stay strong enough to be hiking well past the limitations of others and getting into the far reaches of national parks where you are with only those who are into nature as much as Iza and myself are.. In fact I had thought I might be a volunteer up in Yellowstone during my summers and to be active in the conservation of the indigenous wildlife (IE: wolves, bison etc..) I looked forward to sharing lots of sunrises and sunsets with Iza, of all of the things I have look ed forward to this is the one that hurts the most.. I do intend to keep my time in the morning with Iza and am ready to endure whatever pain to needed to not lose that but what has been lost does sometimes grate on a person... : ) Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 you can vacuum? evidently i'm on the wrong meds! > > Tom, > > Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I'm curious.......how many in here are really effected by the weather? I think most people don't believe me when I mention it....i think they just think it's an excuse to get out of working. Which leads me to another " symptom " .....I guess it's guilt...don't know how to really explain it. I'm always wondering if other people actually believe I'm in pain. oh well. I'm scared to death i'm going to lose my job and the worry is killing me. self fulfilling prophecy? > > > > Tom, > > > > Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 I'm curious.......how many in here are really effected by the weather? I think most people don't believe me when I mention it....i think they just think it's an excuse to get out of working. Which leads me to another " symptom " .....I guess it's guilt...don't know how to really explain it. I'm always wondering if other people actually believe I'm in pain. oh well. I'm scared to death i'm going to lose my job and the worry is killing me. self fulfilling prophecy? > > > > Tom, > > > > Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Any hope of a non-pain future! > > I do miss work and having that feeling of accomplishment, but what I really > miss is: > I had such a different plan for my retirement.. > I looked forward to playing doubles (tennis) in the morning with friends > and then maybe having a beer afterward with the guys.. > I also planned to stay strong enough to be hiking well past the > limitations of others and getting into the far reaches of national parks where you > are with only those who are into nature as much as Iza and myself are.. > In fact I had thought I might be a volunteer up in Yellowstone during my > summers and to be active in the conservation of the indigenous wildlife (IE: > wolves, bison etc..) > I looked forward to sharing lots of sunrises and sunsets with Iza, of all > of the things I have look ed forward to this is the one that hurts the > most.. > I do intend to keep my time in the morning with Iza and am ready to endure > whatever pain to needed to not lose that but what has been lost does > sometimes grate on a person... > : ) > Tom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Any hope of a non-pain future! > > I do miss work and having that feeling of accomplishment, but what I really > miss is: > I had such a different plan for my retirement.. > I looked forward to playing doubles (tennis) in the morning with friends > and then maybe having a beer afterward with the guys.. > I also planned to stay strong enough to be hiking well past the > limitations of others and getting into the far reaches of national parks where you > are with only those who are into nature as much as Iza and myself are.. > In fact I had thought I might be a volunteer up in Yellowstone during my > summers and to be active in the conservation of the indigenous wildlife (IE: > wolves, bison etc..) > I looked forward to sharing lots of sunrises and sunsets with Iza, of all > of the things I have look ed forward to this is the one that hurts the > most.. > I do intend to keep my time in the morning with Iza and am ready to endure > whatever pain to needed to not lose that but what has been lost does > sometimes grate on a person... > : ) > Tom > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 My body is a good weather predictor. My neck and hands are especially sensitive to barometric pressure drops. I'd rather not have so many thunderstorms. Few people can understand how miserable the weather can make a person feel. Only those who experience it to the degree we do. Today was a very warm day and temps are going to drop all night and the rain is here. I'm just trying to find a way to be comfortable enough to relax and rest tonight. Jennette ________________________________ From: fuddster__ <dmj25@...> neck pain Sent: Fri, October 30, 2009 8:26:57 PM Subject: Re: what do you miss most.. I'm curious..... ..how many in here are really effected by the weather? I think most people don't believe me when I mention it....i think they just think it's an excuse to get out of working. Which leads me to another " symptom " ... ..I guess it's guilt...don' t know how to really explain it. I'm always wondering if other people actually believe I'm in pain. oh well. I'm scared to death i'm going to lose my job and the worry is killing me. self fulfilling prophecy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2009 Report Share Posted October 30, 2009 Fuddster, I don't know the type and severity of your health issues, but here is what I do know. Most spinal issues only get worse with time especially if you are still working. I don't mean to scare you but that is just the nature of the beast. I wish someone had told me this next info. before I got where I had to quit my job. If you can take out short term and long term disability through work or if you can afford it a private company. Make sure you have disability protection on any loans and credit cards you have. And once you get to the point you feel you can no longer work get a sympathetic doctor that will help with forms and letters for your disability. Getting SS disability is a long process. Insulate yourself financially as much as you can before you have to quit work. I hope you get better and can continue working and living a normal life. As for the weather yes changes and extremes of any kind cause additional pain, stiffness and immobility. My pain is the worst a day or two before it rains. Guess it has something to do with pressure. Jane H. P.S.: Don't feel guilty. You did not ask for the pain. Do what you can and if others don't understand then they are not people you really need in your life. From: fuddster__ <dmj25@...> Subject: Re: what do you miss most.. neck pain Date: Friday, October 30, 2009, 8:26 PM I'm curious..... ..how many in here are really effected by the weather? I think most people don't believe me when I mention it....i think they just think it's an excuse to get out of working. Which leads me to another " symptom " ... ..I guess it's guilt...don' t know how to really explain it. I'm always wondering if other people actually believe I'm in pain. oh well. I'm scared to death i'm going to lose my job and the worry is killing me. self fulfilling prophecy? > > > > Tom, > > > > Only when you can't so things anymore do you realize what you miss. I miss being able to work, go out with my kids without being in pain and suffering for days afterward, took my 5 year old trick or treating on main street on Tuesday and was not fun but she did not know that although the older kids do. I miss being able to garden, drive anywhere. I miss being able to clean my house with out pain. Going anywhere is painful but I do try so hard to make the most of what I have become. At the moment am checking emails while cooking my back with a heating pad and waiting for the pain killers to kick in so I can go vacumn. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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