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Hi Debra! Yes, I would be very interested to hear what you have to say

about your " sludge " . Please feel free to e-mail me!

Thanks,

Ann

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From: D B <fairyflight@...>

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Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2000 4:29 PM

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> Ann,

>

> I've been too busy too check my mail for a few days, and don't have time

for

> a lengthy reply now, but I have sludge and no stones. I can write to you

> more later, in orivate if you want (as everyone else has heard this

story.)

> I would reccomend handing on to that gall bladder. You will learn a lot

> here.

>

> Debra

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Debra, I, also, took the supplements you are taking. AF Beta Food? I don't

take them regularly. When I first began my gallbladder journey I went to a

chiropractor and he gave me those and a procedure. The flushing procedure

didn't use epsom salts. Did your chiro say you should stay on the

supplements indefinately? laura

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From: " D B " <fairyflight@...>

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Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 6:39 PM

Subject: (unknown)

> Hi,

>

> Had two attacks this week. I'm afraid it was Percoset to the rescue.

>

> I had an appointment with a new chiropracter on Thursday. I know several

> people who swear by him, and I had to wait months to get an appointment.

He

> also does kinesthesiology, and is very into nutrition.

>

> He sent me hoe with collinsonia root, and something called Cholacol, which

> is a combination of bentonite, collinsonia, and, are you

> ready.....................purified bovine bile salts!! He said the

> collinsonia cleanses the liver, and the other stuff will absorb the toxins

> and move them through the intestines. He said it will cure the symptoms,

> but the cure is in the diet.

>

> We didn't talk too much about diet, but he said he would if I was really

> ready to make a commitment to it. He said it could be easily cured if I

> could stick with it. I think he is into macrobiotics, which I don't know

> much about. Anyway, he did say NO dairy, NO red meat, and he also said

that

> hummus and sunflower seeds were bad, which confused me, because I thought

> according to Cabot (although I don't have the book) they were good.

>

> I just started taking the stuff today, because I wanted to do some

research

> to make sure I couldn't find anything bad about them. I'll keep you

poted.

> If anyone wantes more info on these products, the company that makes these

> particular ones has a site, www.standardprocess.com

>

> Debra

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Good going Ron and ! my stomach is finally starting to return to normal

after my Thursday nite flush. Would still like someone's input on how they

handle getting their daily concoctions while away from home. Take care.

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From: " Ron Self " <RLSELF@...>

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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 12:53 PM

Subject: (unknown)

> Hello everyone,

> I must admit I was a little nervous when I thought of trying the

> cleanse but have concluded it, I now know that it was a very easy

> process. My stomach did not react with the Epsom salts very well. I

> was already in the bathroom 30 minutes after the first dose. After

> taking the olive oil/juice, I went to sleep and slept through the

> night. Started seeing stones at 8:00 a.m., in the hundreds. Largest

> stones at about 1/2 inch round.

> I have read some of the recent bantering on if the " stones " were in

> fact soap or stone. I had white, tan, black and green stones. I find

> it hard to imagine that all of these could be soap, when they come in

> so many different sizes and colors. If they were all from soap

> formation, I would guess that they should all have been the same

> color or texture. And if all were soap made from the olive oil

> mixture that I took 10 hours the prior night, it seems strange that

> there would be such a drastic color difference among these stones.

> I do know that some of the whitish stone were in fact calcified as

> they were as hard as a " stone. "

> Off to breakfast......

> Ron

>

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I don't generally do the oil part on a daily basis (in the morning that

is).... so if I am away, I just squeeze lemon juice into the water and

drink it down.

McMullan wrote:

>

> Good going Ron and ! my stomach is finally starting to return to normal

> after my Thursday nite flush. Would still like someone's input on how they

> handle getting their daily concoctions while away from home. Take care.

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " Ron Self " <RLSELF@...>

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> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 12:53 PM

> Subject: (unknown)

>

> > Hello everyone,

> > I must admit I was a little nervous when I thought of trying the

> > cleanse but have concluded it, I now know that it was a very easy

> > process. My stomach did not react with the Epsom salts very well. I

> > was already in the bathroom 30 minutes after the first dose. After

> > taking the olive oil/juice, I went to sleep and slept through the

> > night. Started seeing stones at 8:00 a.m., in the hundreds. Largest

> > stones at about 1/2 inch round.

> > I have read some of the recent bantering on if the " stones " were in

> > fact soap or stone. I had white, tan, black and green stones. I find

> > it hard to imagine that all of these could be soap, when they come in

> > so many different sizes and colors. If they were all from soap

> > formation, I would guess that they should all have been the same

> > color or texture. And if all were soap made from the olive oil

> > mixture that I took 10 hours the prior night, it seems strange that

> > there would be such a drastic color difference among these stones.

> > I do know that some of the whitish stone were in fact calcified as

> > they were as hard as a " stone. "

> > Off to breakfast......

> > Ron

> >

> >

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>>Did your chiro say you should stay on the

supplements indefinately?<<

First of all, I'm glad to hear someone else has taken this stuff. He just

said to take it until it was gone, and see how i felt. Well, after 2 days,

I have NO symptoms, not even tenderness. I may stop, and just be careful

about what I eat.

What are AF beta (is that right?) foods?

Thanks,

Debra

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Hey Debra, I don't know exactly what AF Beta are or is. I may visit the site

and see what it has to say. I have taken two bottles of it. I figure it may

help until all the stones are gone for the most part, whenever THAT is.

I have a little concern about the bovine extracts and mad cow disease. I

will probably take more in the future tho.

I have a friend that has gallbladder pain, her US showed no stones, that

controls hers with diet.

Take care.

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Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 9:42 PM

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> >>Did your chiro say you should stay on the

> supplements indefinately?<<

>

> First of all, I'm glad to hear someone else has taken this stuff. He just

> said to take it until it was gone, and see how i felt. Well, after 2

days,

> I have NO symptoms, not even tenderness. I may stop, and just be careful

> about what I eat.

>

> What are AF beta (is that right?) foods?

>

> Thanks,

> Debra

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Yes I did and they found out, that I had a

hiatal ( spell?) hernia and acid reflex . And H pylori . I got treated

for that, but once and a while I still have pain, and now I am

contemplating doing a flush.

My whole chest hurt and burned most of the time, but more at night.

Rose

Hi!

I want to know if anyone has had all of the symptoms of a gallbladder attack

but an ultra-sound which showed no stones. I have been having upper abdominal

pain, a burning sensation on the right side after eating and then waking me up

during the nite and other " typical " symptoms. The ultrasound this morning was

even painful but no evidence of stones. Anyone had this problem or know what

this might be indicative of.

Thanks!

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Yes, in fact, I had an ultrasound today as well, and there were no sign of

gallstones, yet I too have the typical symptoms, waking up at night,

pressure type pain on right side near end of ribs several hours after

eating, dislike of all greasy foods, no fever per se, but have felt dry and

hot on occaision, and a sudden craving for acidic drinks, esp. orange

juice, and a strong adversion to milk, milk products, and eggs.

Anyone else out there with similar symptoms and similiar experience with

ultrasounds?

Thanks.

At 07:20 PM 11/29/00 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi!

>

>I want to know if anyone has had all of the symptoms of a gallbladder attack

>but an ultra-sound which showed no stones. I have been having upper

abdominal

>pain, a burning sensation on the right side after eating and then waking

me up

>during the nite and other " typical " symptoms. The ultrasound this morning

was

>even painful but no evidence of stones. Anyone had this problem or know

what

>this might be indicative of.

>

>Thanks!

>

>

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I had an ultrasound that showed NO stones. I proceded to do the flush

anyway and flushed out about 180 stones. Two weeks later, I flushed only

about 90. These were VERY small.

Don't let them tell you that you have no gallstones just because of an

ultrasound. Small ones won't show up.

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Date: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 6:20 PM

Subject: (unknown)

>Hi!

>

>I want to know if anyone has had all of the symptoms of a gallbladder

attack

>but an ultra-sound which showed no stones. I have been having upper

abdominal

>pain, a burning sensation on the right side after eating and then waking me

up

>during the nite and other " typical " symptoms. The ultrasound this morning

was

>even painful but no evidence of stones. Anyone had this problem or know

what

>this might be indicative of.

>

>Thanks!

>

>

>

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My most sever attack occurred in October of 1999. That event showed a completely healthy gallbladder liver and pancreas, as far as an ultrasound was concerned. However my blood tests showed some really serious problems with my liver, showing as hepatitis. After that attack and the fact that there were no stones I researched the net some more, and found the book "The Liver Cleansing Diet", read it, and have since doing so, been a strong advocate of it's being read by anyone having gallbladder or liver problems. I also recommend it to those having heart problems too.

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Hi!I want to know if anyone has had all of the symptoms of a gallbladder attack but an ultra-sound which showed no stones. I have been having upper abdominal pain, a burning sensation on the right side after eating and then waking me up during the nite and other "typical" symptoms. The ultrasound this morning was even painful but no evidence of stones. Anyone had this problem or know what this might be indicative of.Thanks!Collected testimonials:http:///messages/gallstones-testimonialsYou are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroupsTo subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroupsTo change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroupsTo change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroupsBy joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself!List Archives: http:///messages/gallstonesWeb Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/Have a nice day !

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>>I want to know if anyone has had all of the symptoms of a gallbladder

>>attack

but an ultra-sound which showed no stones<<

This was my situation in November of '97. Now I have stones, and a

thickening gallbladder. I've seen the results of both ultrasounds

side-by-side, and there has been a definite change.

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Helen;

The Olive oil, Lemon juice and Epsom Salts do not dissolve the stones. The

three things are used to cause a process of a gallbladder and liver flushing

action. The Epsom Salts is taken to cause the bowels to clear and for the

bile passages to become more elastic for the passing of the stones from the

liver and the gallbladder. The Olive oil is used to cause a fat overload to

which the gallbladder and liver respond to contract and push out the stones.

The lemon serves to help in dealing with the taste of the olive oil to make

it easier to get down. It is also possible to use grapefruit juice in place

of the lemon juice. Both juices however should be fresh squeezed because it

tends to blend better with the oil.

The oil should be a cold pressed virgin olive oil as processed oils tend to

defeat the purpose of the flush. Cold pressed virgin olive oil is an

essential fatty acid that the body uses during the flushing action, and

works to its benefit for making more bile.

Dale

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Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 7:15 PM

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> I'm from the Philippines. A month ago, I was diagnosed to have gallbladder

> stones with sizes averaging .4cm with one .8 cm. I've read that these can

be

> dissolved by taking olive oil, lemon extracts and epsom salt. I've been

> trying to find Epson salt in our supermarket here but I can't find one.

Can

> I just take olive oil and lemon without Epsom salt. Is there not a

> possibility that in the process of trying to flush out the stones, these

> will be stuck in the bile duck? I hope you can give me some more

information

> on cleansing the gallbladder. Thanks.

>

>

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Caren,

Wheatgrass is supposed to be a great blood purifier. Great job if you can get this stuff down! It tastes just like the lawn mowings to me, and I have a hard time drinking it! There are many inspirational testimonies of healing degenerative diseases, including cancer, with this stuff.

Dr. Kolb has written to me about this.... and I think the concern was that it might raise cytokine levels. Spirulina is rumored to raise cytokines, which we don't want to do, because most of us already have too high cytokine levels. Perhaps Dr. Kolb can shed a little more light on this, but she did say that she "intuitively stayed away from green juices." I was quite astounded, because, of course, I thought this was the best thing we could do.

Since then, I have paid more attention to the green juices and how I react to them, and I do know that I have noticed more brain fog at times when I thought I was eating well. I haven't gotten it totally figured out yet, but you might want to try to cut back on the wheatgrass juice, give your body a break and see if you notice your head becoming less foggy. I have cut back on how much juicing I have done, and I also noticed that some supplements bring my brain fog on. It is all very confusing, but I did feel good cutting back on supplements at times. I think we need to take breaks now and then, but not go off them completely forever.

As for the coffee enemas, I have done them daily, and Dr. Fuller Royal told me that he and his wife do them every morning. However, you MUST take juices when you are doing coffee enemas. So, I think you could safely do them more often than once a week. Just make sure you replace the healthy intestinal flora, with acidophilus, bifidus and other such organisms.

I am going to do the Bernard Jensen cleanse as soon as we get over our Sales Tax Audit, and this requires twice daily colon cleansings while fasting. I have been communicating with a silicone sister who has been doing this for almost 6 months now (a 7 day colon cleansing fast, followed by a 7 week rebuilding program) and she is gushing over how much better she feels. She has lost some scary stuff out of her colon (including silicone residues, she feels). I have heard from others on another group who have done this colon cleanse, all with shocking and astounding results. I am hoping to experience some of those results as well. I started before Father's Day, fasting 2 days and felt really great, but decided to break the fast and wait until our audit is over. I'll let you know how it goes. Bottom line is, I don't think you have to worry about doing enemas too often just yet.

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Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:57 PM

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I have been juicing for 2 months. I do carrots spinach and garlic. Sometimes I do celery and cucumber. Then I have a wheatgrass juicer, so I 3 ounces of wheatgrass everyday. I know wheatgrass is supposed to clean your blood and get toxins out of you. I have been doing coffee and wheatgrass enemas. I do it once a week switching off with the two. Should I do the enemas more maybe twice a week?

Caren

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Pee Tee wrote:

>Don you bring such warmth and hope to me (a tear or two too). You are a

>very warm person who's words exude lots of love. I completely understand

>what you say about 'two people away'. I have had the personal fortune of

>being a very outgoing, verbal, say what I mean regardless type of person.

>Being this way has made my life very intersting to say the least/double edge

>sword. I use to say to people when asked about my regrets which ones I

>regret most. My only regret then 'was' not doing things sooner. But

>ironically I'm not doing those things I was doing then sooner at that time

>(make sense), so as I get older that doesn't even make sense anymore

>because I am not doing it as my passion/job any longer in a full time

>capacity, or even have the same dreams than as now. I am in a transition

>period right now and I could be very scared for my future and how I will

>support myself but I know everything will be taken care of, I don't know

>how but I do know that being o.k. w/ it at my age, single, childless that

>I have become at peace for the most part and things can only get better if I

>have let go of the worry, the hurry, the lonely and the rage that is born

>into people from these insecurities if they continue to allow them to. I

>punished myself hard when I was younger, day after day, blaming everyone

>but myself for my problems.

>What a waste of my life those years were. But I wouldn't be who I am now

>w/o suffering as I made myself suffer. I know now tho that alot of my

>suffering was the consumption of the wrong things be it food, people,

>thoughts etc. I grew up fast because of the people I met, trusted and

>learned from. Ironically when I was younger people told me I looked far

>older than my age. Now that I am 38 people tell me in disbeleif that I look

>28. The reason I am telling you this is because my younger years were soo

>hard on me for many reasons. But when people tell me I look younger it is

>god's blessing to me that my years of emotional misery had a purpose. I

>could look far older than my chronological age but I have done somethings to

>preserve my youth. I was told more than once to never loose the child within

>myself, and I never did. In fact being the way I am (impossible for me to

>describe) is exactly what they meant !

>Gosh I am rambler!!

>So acheiving better health (simple is best). And staying a goofball and not

>giving a sh*t what others think, or how embarassed they are for you/me, or

>how misunderstood you make yourself, Never be ashamed of who you are,

>embrace it with all you've got. Be a rebel amongst the majority that don't

>have the gutts.

>Boy I am a rambler.

>(k-gonna push 'send' and hide under something )(NOT!)

>

>

>Pam

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Hi Pam,

You really shouldn't regret any part of your life. Everything happens

for a reason and there is a season for all things to happen. There is no

need for regret. As for your younger years do you really believe that

they were a waste? They were the molding of what you have become. How

can that be a waste? Maybe you made some not so very excellent choices

in your life but that is how we learn to make really excellent choices.

No life is ever wasted, ever and no experience is ever a waste of time.

I used to think I had wasted a large portion of my youth too. But I have

since come to the realization that the experiences of my youth are now

unfolding into the beauty that I am to become.

Peace be with you Pam as your life opens before you into the beauty that

you are destined to become, share and enjoy with all.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

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