Guest guest Posted August 17, 2000 Report Share Posted August 17, 2000 That is bad but try looking at Grants ant stakes...10% Arsenic Trioxide by weight in a sweet sticky goo. Pray that a toddler does not come into contact with one of those. [ ] Arsenic This to back up what Andy was saying about arsenic in wood products. Our family owned a fencing and decking business. Almost all wood fencing is pressure treated (arsenic laden), unless it is cedar, spruce (such as many stockade fencing), vinyl, or metal. Decking is usually pressure treated, unless cedar or vinyl decking is used. As for playground equipment, almost all is pressure treated (the cedar is super expensive). I've also read, think it was Organic Gardening Magazine, that MANY wood chips used for playgrounds are pressure treated as well. THis is horrible. How many kiddos play, fall, etc. into the wood chips! Becky Simpson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 < I've also read, think it was Organic Gardening Magazine, that MANY wood chips used for playgrounds are pressure treated as well. THis is horrible. How many kiddos play, fall, etc. into the wood chips!> Also how many kids with pica and or chewing issues put this stuff in their mouths! Donna :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2000 Report Share Posted October 24, 2000 In response to your questions regarding arsenic, I put out a search for arsenic on the web and the first article I found as an article dated today on the Lycos Network: " Arsenic in Tap Water: Know Your Risk " from the Reuters Health. I have not posted to the list before and I would like to hear from others who have tried the GF/CF diet, chelation, etc., for persons over 20. We are new to the e-group and we will be starting testing this weekend. Also, I read a lot of different sources and people usually refere to diarrhea but just read 's message regarding constipation. Thank you to all who are so truthful in your posts. Without that trait, I would not have known that constipation and the diarrhea were related to autism. My son would be in extreme pain to " deliver " a huge stool which after " delivered " would also have a tendency to plug the plumbing. Is this a common trait with persons with autism? Thanks, Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 One source is green treated wood and wood chips. I think my son was exposed when my husband built a walkway out of green treated lumber and he played with the sawdust. Barb [ ] Arsenic >How does a child get arsenic poisoning? I understand from where the >other metals are coming/have come, but am unsure of the arsenic. I >haven't seen that it's necessarly in vaccines, and want to make sure >I'm not giving my daughter something with it. Thanks in advance. >Carol > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2000 Report Share Posted October 25, 2000 Many products contain Arsenic. Treated wood uses Arsenic to prevent insect damage. Many herbicides and pesticides contain Arsenic. Some soil based bacteria include Arsenic in their cells to avoid being eaten by other bacteria. Some foods contain small amounts of Arsenic naturally. I recall reading that a particular nut quite popular as a snack (Peanut? Almonds?) contained Arsenic that made the nut meat unattractive to birds. A small amount of Arsenic in food is not a problem unless you are unable to get rid of the Arsenic easily. It is the accumulation over time that makes you ill if you cannot expel the toxin. Bob Fisher Kalamazoo, Michigan " Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; it's the only thing that ever does " Margaret Mead [ ] Arsenic How does a child get arsenic poisoning? I understand from where the other metals are coming/have come, but am unsure of the arsenic. I haven't seen that it's necessarly in vaccines, and want to make sure I'm not giving my daughter something with it. Thanks in advance. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2000 Report Share Posted October 26, 2000 I read somewhere that apple seeds contain arsenic but I can't find any references. Anyone know if this is accurate? Kathy Re: [ ] re: arsenic >> How does a child get arsenic poisoning? I understand from where the >> other metals are coming/have come, but am unsure of the arsenic. I >> haven't seen that it's necessarly in vaccines, and want to make sure >> I'm not giving my daughter something with it. Thanks in advance. >> Carol >> >> Common sources are arsenic are treated wood(CCA) in decks, >> porches,etc. >> shellfish(marina posts, etc.) black pepper, some soil and some soil >> treated with sludge- >> thus root crops grown in such, etc. >> Bernie >> >I still believe that Grant ant stakes are available and contain 10% Arsenic >in a sweet jelly. They could be outside your home or other homes in the >neighborhood. > >Ken T. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2000 Report Share Posted November 2, 2000 Arsenic is used in a chemical compound used as a wood preservative. So, its commonly found in the wood preservative on playground jungle-gyms. Slowly it leaches out and gets in the surrounding soil where the kids can contact it with their hands & bodies, etc. Janice in TX ----- Original Message ----- From: " Barb Romkema " <jromkema@...> > Yes, but it brings up the question I'm living with. Where is all the > arsenic coming from? Arsenic is not in vaccines! Why is it so high in our > kids! > Barb > (Yes, I know there are other sources, but we're not injecting this directly. > Is there that much arsenic contamination around us?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2001 Report Share Posted January 15, 2001 In a message dated 1/12/01 5:58:30 AM Central Standard Time, mcksmom@... writes: << My son was EXTREMELY high in arsenic and we live in an area with lots of golf courses and cherry orchards. How do I prevent him from continuing exposure other than keeping him on ALA forever? >> Move. May sound like an extreme measure but that's the only way you'll keep your kid from continous exposure. You're fighting a losing battle by trying to chelate while still living there. In the meantime, talk to the folks who do the spraying, get spraying schedules and MSDS sheets on what they're spraying. Being away duirng the spraying can help some but arsenic never breaks down so it will stay in your neighborhood and house forever. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2001 Report Share Posted January 15, 2001 In a message dated 1/15/01 10:06:14 AM Central Standard Time, knowles@... writes: << I just joined this group and have had no response to my e-mail that I had posted so I will re-post. >I have 3 questions: (Should I be addressing this to Andy?)>> Sorry you didn't get an answer up front. Some of us tend to skim e-mails so miss some questions we may be able to help with. As for addressing it to Andy, that's your choice. He's one of the list members and can be very helpful in answering some of the questions new folks have. He is a Phd in chemistry with knowledge of mercury chelation and has written a book on the subject. There are also several other people on this list with good knowledge to share so sending a general message to the group tends to work well usually. >My almost 3 yr old son is mildly autistic with all the classis symptom... >yeast, parasites, bacteria... having trouble getting rid of them. His >hair analysis showed him high in aluminum, Antimony, Arsenic, among others. >Besides recieving ALL his vaccines (had no clue), I got a root canal done >while I was nursing him. Is this red flag? Yes. I'd think he'd benefit from chelation. Aluminum is chelated fairly easily with Magnesium Malate you can get from most health food stores. DMSA and DMPS chelates arsenic although Bernie recently posted a caution on possible side effects of DMSA chelating arsenic. Andy says ALA also chelates arsenic well. I'd suggest you find a good doctor with experience chelating children to monitor the treatment. > Someone told me that high aluminum means high mercury levels. Does > anyone know if this is true? Never heard that. My son and I both had high aluminum levels as well as alot of mercury. Alot of times if you hold onto one metal the others tend to glom on so you get a higher toxic effect. The more different kinds of metals you have the worse you are. Having arsenic and aluminum is much worse than just having double the arsenic. > We have a company come and spray for bugs every quarter. Should I be > concerned about this? Absolutely. They use chemicals that could be harming your child. We haven't sprayed for bugs in six years and only once had a slight problem. There are many natural ways to ensure you stay bug free that are much better for your health. In fact, I've heard many people say that they have less of a problem with bugs when they stopped spraying than when they were regularly spraying. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2001 Report Share Posted January 15, 2001 I just joined this group and have had no response to my e-mail that I had posted so I will re-post. >I have 3 questions: (Should I be addressing this to Andy?) >My almost 3 yr old son is mildly autistic with all the classis symptom... >yeast, parasites, bacteria... having trouble getting rid of them. His >hair analysis showed him high in aluminum, Antimony, Arsenic, among others. >Besides recieving ALL his vaccines (had no clue), I got a root canal done >while I was nursing him. Is this red flag? > Someone told me that high aluminum means high mercury levels. Does > anyone know if this is true? > We have a company come and spray for bugs every quarter. Should I be > concerned about this? Lori Knowles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 Tali, Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray on golf courses and orchards, and according to a recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit before the natural beginning of the season. S -------------------------------------------------------------- Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm? We did a six hour urine test on day three of round four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got the results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have arsenic, mercury, tin and lead. Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for lead. They report these as " not detected " and these levels are probably way too low to be the source (plus this was the tap water from our water-softened well but we use an RO system for our drinking water). My question is, if not the water, and children don't sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only), where is the source of arsenic from? I want to eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?) No smokers around them either (i have read that there may be arsenic in tobacco?) any input would be greatly appreciated!!! Tali __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 Don't live on a golf course but probably close enough to be down wind (our street is next to a subdivision that's attached to a golf course) and there are some fruit trees in my yard and maybe years ago they sprayed the heck out of it. It may be in my soil. Is there any point in testing the soil? Tali --- l_shepard <l_shepard@...> wrote: > Tali, > Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray > on golf courses and orchards, and according to a > recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit > before the natural beginning of the season. > S > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm? > > We did a six hour urine test on day three of round > four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got > the > results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son > (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have > arsenic, mercury, tin and lead. > > Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L > of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for > lead. They report these as " not detected " and these > levels are probably way too low to be the source > (plus > this was the tap water from our water-softened well > but we use an RO system for our drinking water). > > My question is, if not the water, and children don't > sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only), > where is the source of arsenic from? I want to > eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from > me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?) > > No smokers around them either (i have read that > there > may be arsenic in tobacco?) > > any input would be greatly appreciated!!! > > Tali > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from - > only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2001 Report Share Posted February 1, 2001 Tali, Testing the soil might help you decide whether to stop or refrain from gardening, have the kids spend less time playing in the yard, educate neighbors and motivate them to talk to the golf course owners, consider moving, etc.... S -------------------------------------------------------------- Don't live on a golf course but probably close enough to be down wind (our street is next to a subdivision that's attached to a golf course) and there are some fruit trees in my yard and maybe years ago they sprayed the heck out of it. It may be in my soil. Is there any point in testing the soil? Tali --- l_shepard <l_shepard@...> wrote: > Tali, > Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray > on golf courses and orchards, and according to a > recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit > before the natural beginning of the season. > S > -------------------------------------------------------------- > Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm? > > We did a six hour urine test on day three of round > four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got > the > results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son > (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have > arsenic, mercury, tin and lead. > > Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L > of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for > lead. They report these as " not detected " and these > levels are probably way too low to be the source > (plus > this was the tap water from our water-softened well > but we use an RO system for our drinking water). > > My question is, if not the water, and children don't > sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only), > where is the source of arsenic from? I want to > eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from > me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?) > > No smokers around them either (i have read that > there > may be arsenic in tobacco?) > > any input would be greatly appreciated!!! > > Tali > > > __________________________________________________ > Get personalized email addresses from - > only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 Wow! This message came in with incredible timing, we were going to make an offer for a house that backs to a golf course, incredible views and all, but will hold off now. If we get a soil test and it is OK, do you think it is safe? We are very uneasy about this. Thanks! Gowri Re:[ ] Arsenic >Don't live on a golf course but probably close enough >to be down wind (our street is next to a subdivision >that's attached to a golf course) and there are some >fruit trees in my yard and maybe years ago they >sprayed the heck out of it. It may be in my soil. > >Is there any point in testing the soil? > >Tali >--- l_shepard <l_shepard@...> wrote: >> Tali, >> Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray >> on golf courses and orchards, and according to a >> recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit >> before the natural beginning of the season. >> S >> >-------------------------------------------------------------- >> Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm? >> >> We did a six hour urine test on day three of round >> four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got >> the >> results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son >> (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have >> arsenic, mercury, tin and lead. >> >> Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L >> of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for >> lead. They report these as " not detected " and these >> levels are probably way too low to be the source >> (plus >> this was the tap water from our water-softened well >> but we use an RO system for our drinking water). >> >> My question is, if not the water, and children don't >> sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only), >> where is the source of arsenic from? I want to >> eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from >> me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?) >> >> No smokers around them either (i have read that >> there >> may be arsenic in tobacco?) >> >> any input would be greatly appreciated!!! >> >> Tali >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Get personalized email addresses from - >> only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 No golf course is safe. My brother used to be a golf pro. Anything you can do to 'ruin' the land they do to it, short of mining, bad scene. my dad used to play golf every day. now he plays only about twice a week. he states his 'allergies' are just soooo much better. cara Re:[ ] Arsenic>Don't live on a golf course but probably close enough>to be down wind (our street is next to a subdivision>that's attached to a golf course) and there are some>fruit trees in my yard and maybe years ago they>sprayed the heck out of it. It may be in my soil.>>Is there any point in testing the soil?>>Tali>--- l_shepard <l_shepard@...> wrote:>> Tali,>> Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray>> on golf courses and orchards, and according to a>> recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit>> before the natural beginning of the season.>> S>>>-------------------------------------------------------------->> Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm?>>>> We did a six hour urine test on day three of round>> four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got>> the>> results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son>> (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have>> arsenic, mercury, tin and lead.>>>> Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L>> of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for>> lead. They report these as "not detected" and these>> levels are probably way too low to be the source>> (plus>> this was the tap water from our water-softened well>> but we use an RO system for our drinking water).>>>> My question is, if not the water, and children don't>> sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only),>> where is the source of arsenic from? I want to>> eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from>> me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?)>>>> No smokers around them either (i have read that>> there>> may be arsenic in tobacco?)>>>> any input would be greatly appreciated!!!>>>> Tali>>>>>> __________________________________________________>> Get personalized email addresses from ->> only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 Do flame retardant pajamas have arsenic in them? I know they spray them with some toxic chemical..... I always buy the long underwear all cotton that says don't use as sleepwear!! At 10:27 PM 2/1/01 -0500, you wrote: >No golf course is safe. My brother used to be a golf pro. Anything you can do to 'ruin' the land they do to it, short of mining, bad scene. my dad used to play golf every day. now he plays only about twice a week. he states his 'allergies' are just soooo much better. > >cara > Re:[ ] Arsenic > > > >Don't live on a golf course but probably close enough > >to be down wind (our street is next to a subdivision > >that's attached to a golf course) and there are some > >fruit trees in my yard and maybe years ago they > >sprayed the heck out of it. It may be in my soil. > > > >Is there any point in testing the soil? > > > >Tali > >--- l_shepard <l_shepard@...> wrote: > >> Tali, > >> Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray > >> on golf courses and orchards, and according to a > >> recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit > >> before the natural beginning of the season. > >> S > >> > >-------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm? > >> > >> We did a six hour urine test on day three of round > >> four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got > >> the > >> results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son > >> (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have > >> arsenic, mercury, tin and lead. > >> > >> Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L > >> of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for > >> lead. They report these as " not detected " and these > >> levels are probably way too low to be the source > >> (plus > >> this was the tap water from our water-softened well > >> but we use an RO system for our drinking water). > >> > >> My question is, if not the water, and children don't > >> sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only), > >> where is the source of arsenic from? I want to > >> eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from > >> me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?) > >> > >> No smokers around them either (i have read that > >> there > >> may be arsenic in tobacco?) > >> > >> any input would be greatly appreciated!!! > >> > >> Tali > >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> Get personalized email addresses from - > >> only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./ > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 > Do flame retardant pajamas have arsenic in them? No, they have antimony. Andy .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2001 Report Share Posted February 2, 2001 sorry -- i'm the one who got that confused (I must have had the " a " in my head and confused antimony with arsenic -- sorry for causing this confusion). Tali --- AndyCutler@... wrote: > > Do flame retardant pajamas have arsenic in them? > > No, they have antimony. > > Andy > > > > > . > > __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2001 Report Share Posted February 3, 2001 In a message dated 2/2/01 4:46:41 AM Central Standard Time, mmadkat@... writes: << Wow! This message came in with incredible timing, we were going to make an offer for a house that backs to a golf course, incredible views and all, but will hold off now. If we get a soil test and it is OK, do you think it is safe? We are very uneasy about this. >> Be aware that many chemicals are sprayed on golf courses to make them look so pretty. Some spray more than others. You could get the spraying schedules and MSDS sheets from the course management if they'll release them but that doesn't guarantee anything since they could change management. When we first bought our home, there wasn't alot of spraying, but shortly after my son turned 1, a new company bought the course and sprayed the heck out of it. Golf courses are treated as agricultural property, even if in a residental neighborhood, so are allowed to spray all sorts of nasties that would be illegal for you to spray on your yard. I'd never live near one again. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2001 Report Share Posted February 6, 2001 This is in response to Kathy: My son has high levels of arsenic and no mercury showing up. (also high aluminum and other metals)He hasn't started dmsa yet and is only on chlorella, thiodox, efalex and pro-biotics. I've noticed alot of stimming! My speech therapist used to tell me that when she saw progress in the speech centers of the brain she also noticed alot of physical regression, hence the stimming, and then after a few weeks it usually evens out.The thiodox has a combination of nac,gluthatione, the efalex is the efa's and the chlorella detoxs the heavy metals(it's a type of algae). By the way, my son was non-verbal and at 3 and one-half I gave three days of efalex and he started talking. R. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2001 Report Share Posted February 7, 2001 Dr Shaw wanted my son on thiodox, but I changed my mind. Mainly from this list . Lipoic acid is a chelator and I wanted to use it that way. some kids can't handle the cysteine so I opted not to use it. kelly This is in response to Kathy: My son has high levels of arsenic and no mercury showing up. (also high aluminum and other metals)He hasn't started dmsa yet and is only on chlorella, thiodox, efalex and pro-biotics. I've noticed alot of stimming! My speech therapist used to tell me that when she saw progress in the speech centers of the brain she also noticed alot of physical regression, hence the stimming, and then after a few weeks it usually evens out.The thiodox has a combination of nac,gluthatione, the efalex is the efa's and the chlorella detoxs the heavy metals(it's a type of algae). By the way, my son was non-verbal and at 3 and one-half I gave three days of efalex and he started talking. R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 Could you please explain what the signs are of a child being adverse to cysteine. Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2001 Report Share Posted February 8, 2001 HI Some kids already have high cysteine and low sulfate so supplimenting with cysteine could be neurotoxic. I would suspect any worsening of any behavior would indicate a possible side effect of cysteine. There is a test for cysteine through great smokies that could tell you which profile your child would fall into. I didn't test for this, I just opted not to suppliment with NAC just in case. kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 9, 2001 Report Share Posted February 9, 2001 I can attest to this. I had high cysteine. If I would eat an egg or a piece of cheese, I'd look like I was in the terminal phase of Parkinson's for about a day afterwards. Very, very unpleasant. Do note that some people are LOW in cysteine, and those people do BETTER if they get it. It is worth knowing, but you don't need a blood test (this one is $40-50, not too bad) if you are willing to exclude it from the diet for a week then add it back in. Andy > HI > Some kids already have high cysteine and low sulfate so supplimenting > with cysteine could be neurotoxic. I would suspect any worsening of any > behavior would indicate a possible side effect of cysteine. There is a test > for cysteine through great smokies that could tell you which profile your > child would fall into. I didn't test for this, I just opted not to > suppliment with NAC just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2001 Report Share Posted March 16, 2001 Hi, I would appreciate any comments/advice on the following- urine test after first round of chelating dmsa, low dose, my son's test has come back with, lead and mercury insignificant amounts but arsenic high 160 with ref 1-70. Should we continue to chelate with dmsa???, I found some confusing posts a while back, saying it could put more arsenic into the brain???? Does arsenic come out before mercury??? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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