arsenic

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That is bad but try looking at Grants ant stakes...10% Arsenic Trioxide by weight in a sweet sticky goo. Pray that a toddler does not come into contact with one of those.

[ ] Arsenic

This to back up what Andy was saying about arsenic in wood products. Our family owned a fencing and decking business. Almost all wood fencing is pressure treated (arsenic laden), unless it is cedar, spruce (such as many stockade fencing), vinyl, or metal. Decking is usually pressure treated, unless cedar or vinyl decking is used.

As for playground equipment, almost all is pressure treated (the cedar is super expensive). I've also read, think it was Organic Gardening Magazine, that MANY wood chips used for playgrounds are pressure treated as well. THis is horrible. How many kiddos play, fall, etc. into the wood chips!

Becky Simpson

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< I've also read, think it was Organic Gardening Magazine, that MANY wood chips used for playgrounds are pressure treated as well. THis is horrible. How many kiddos play, fall, etc. into the wood chips!>

Also how many kids with pica and or chewing issues put this stuff in their mouths!

Donna :-)

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In response to your questions regarding arsenic, I put out a search for arsenic

on the web and the first article I found as an article dated today on the Lycos

Network: " Arsenic in Tap Water: Know Your Risk " from the Reuters Health.

I have not posted to the list before and I would like to hear from others who

have tried the GF/CF diet, chelation, etc., for persons over 20. We are new to

the e-group and we will be starting testing this weekend.

Also, I read a lot of different sources and people usually refere to diarrhea

but

just read 's message regarding constipation. Thank you to all who are so

truthful in your posts. Without that trait, I would not have known that

constipation and the diarrhea were related to autism. My son would be in

extreme

pain to " deliver " a huge stool which after " delivered " would also have a

tendency

to plug the plumbing. Is this a common trait with persons with autism?

Thanks, Barbara

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One source is green treated wood and wood chips. I think my son was exposed

when my husband built a walkway out of green treated lumber and he played

with the sawdust.

Barb

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>How does a child get arsenic poisoning? I understand from where the

>other metals are coming/have come, but am unsure of the arsenic. I

>haven't seen that it's necessarly in vaccines, and want to make sure

>I'm not giving my daughter something with it. Thanks in advance.

>Carol

>

>

>

>

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Many products contain Arsenic. Treated wood uses Arsenic to prevent insect

damage. Many herbicides and pesticides contain Arsenic. Some soil based

bacteria include Arsenic in their cells to avoid being eaten by other

bacteria. Some foods contain small amounts of Arsenic naturally. I recall

reading that a particular nut quite popular as a snack (Peanut? Almonds?)

contained Arsenic that made the nut meat unattractive to birds.

A small amount of Arsenic in food is not a problem unless you are unable to

get rid of the Arsenic easily. It is the accumulation over time that makes

you ill if you cannot expel the toxin.

Bob Fisher

Kalamazoo, Michigan

" Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change

the world; it's the only thing that ever does " Margaret Mead

[ ] Arsenic

How does a child get arsenic poisoning? I understand from where the

other metals are coming/have come, but am unsure of the arsenic. I

haven't seen that it's necessarly in vaccines, and want to make sure

I'm not giving my daughter something with it. Thanks in advance.

Carol

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I read somewhere that apple seeds contain arsenic but I can't find any

references. Anyone know if this is accurate?

Kathy

Re: [ ] re: arsenic

>> How does a child get arsenic poisoning? I understand from where the

>> other metals are coming/have come, but am unsure of the arsenic. I

>> haven't seen that it's necessarly in vaccines, and want to make sure

>> I'm not giving my daughter something with it. Thanks in advance.

>> Carol

>>

>> Common sources are arsenic are treated wood(CCA) in decks,

>> porches,etc.

>> shellfish(marina posts, etc.) black pepper, some soil and some soil

>> treated with sludge-

>> thus root crops grown in such, etc.

>> Bernie

>>

>I still believe that Grant ant stakes are available and contain 10% Arsenic

>in a sweet jelly. They could be outside your home or other homes in the

>neighborhood.

>

>Ken T.

>

>

>

>

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Arsenic is used in a chemical compound used as a wood preservative. So, its

commonly found in the wood preservative on playground jungle-gyms. Slowly

it leaches out and gets in the surrounding soil where the kids can contact

it with their hands & bodies, etc.

Janice in TX

----- Original Message -----

From: " Barb Romkema " <jromkema@...>

> Yes, but it brings up the question I'm living with. Where is all the

> arsenic coming from? Arsenic is not in vaccines! Why is it so high in

our

> kids!

> Barb

> (Yes, I know there are other sources, but we're not injecting this

directly.

> Is there that much arsenic contamination around us?)

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In a message dated 1/12/01 5:58:30 AM Central Standard Time,

mcksmom@... writes:

<< My son was EXTREMELY high in arsenic and we live in an area with lots of

golf courses and cherry orchards. How do I prevent him from continuing

exposure other than keeping him on ALA forever? >>

Move. May sound like an extreme measure but that's the only way you'll keep

your kid from continous exposure. You're fighting a losing battle by trying

to chelate while still living there. In the meantime, talk to the folks who

do the spraying, get spraying schedules and MSDS sheets on what they're

spraying. Being away duirng the spraying can help some but arsenic never

breaks down so it will stay in your neighborhood and house forever.

Gaylen

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In a message dated 1/15/01 10:06:14 AM Central Standard Time,

knowles@... writes:

<< I just joined this group and have had no response to my e-mail that I had

posted so I will re-post.

>I have 3 questions: (Should I be addressing this to Andy?)>>

Sorry you didn't get an answer up front. Some of us tend to skim e-mails so

miss some questions we may be able to help with. As for addressing it to

Andy, that's your choice. He's one of the list members and can be very

helpful in answering some of the questions new folks have. He is a Phd in

chemistry with knowledge of mercury chelation and has written a book on the

subject. There are also several other people on this list with good

knowledge to share so sending a general message to the group tends to work

well usually.

>My almost 3 yr old son is mildly autistic with all the classis symptom...

>yeast, parasites, bacteria... having trouble getting rid of them. His

>hair analysis showed him high in aluminum, Antimony, Arsenic, among others.

>Besides recieving ALL his vaccines (had no clue), I got a root canal done

>while I was nursing him. Is this red flag?

Yes. I'd think he'd benefit from chelation. Aluminum is chelated fairly

easily with Magnesium Malate you can get from most health food stores. DMSA

and DMPS chelates arsenic although Bernie recently posted a caution on

possible side effects of DMSA chelating arsenic. Andy says ALA also chelates

arsenic well. I'd suggest you find a good doctor with experience chelating

children to monitor the treatment.

> Someone told me that high aluminum means high mercury levels. Does

> anyone know if this is true?

Never heard that. My son and I both had high aluminum levels as well as alot

of mercury. Alot of times if you hold onto one metal the others tend to glom

on so you get a higher toxic effect. The more different kinds of metals you

have the worse you are. Having arsenic and aluminum is much worse than just

having double the arsenic.

> We have a company come and spray for bugs every quarter. Should I be

> concerned about this?

Absolutely. They use chemicals that could be harming your child. We

haven't sprayed for bugs in six years and only once had a slight problem.

There are many natural ways to ensure you stay bug free that are much better

for your health. In fact, I've heard many people say that they have less of

a problem with bugs when they stopped spraying than when they were regularly

spraying.

Gaylen

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I just joined this group and have had no response to my e-mail that I had

posted so I will re-post.

>I have 3 questions: (Should I be addressing this to Andy?)

>My almost 3 yr old son is mildly autistic with all the classis symptom...

>yeast, parasites, bacteria... having trouble getting rid of them. His

>hair analysis showed him high in aluminum, Antimony, Arsenic, among others.

>Besides recieving ALL his vaccines (had no clue), I got a root canal done

>while I was nursing him. Is this red flag?

> Someone told me that high aluminum means high mercury levels. Does

> anyone know if this is true?

> We have a company come and spray for bugs every quarter. Should I be

> concerned about this?

Lori Knowles

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Tali,

Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray on golf courses and

orchards, and according to a recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit

before the natural beginning of the season.

S

--------------------------------------------------------------

Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm?

We did a six hour urine test on day three of round

four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got the

results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son

(possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have

arsenic, mercury, tin and lead.

Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for

mercury and .001 mg/L for

lead. They report these as " not detected " and these

levels are probably way too low to be the source (plus

this was the tap water from our water-softened well

but we use an RO system for our drinking water).

My question is, if not the water, and children don't

sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only),

where is the source of arsenic from? I want to

eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from

me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?)

No smokers around them either (i have read that there

may be arsenic in tobacco?)

any input would be greatly appreciated!!!

Tali

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Don't live on a golf course but probably close enough

to be down wind (our street is next to a subdivision

that's attached to a golf course) and there are some

fruit trees in my yard and maybe years ago they

sprayed the heck out of it. It may be in my soil.

Is there any point in testing the soil?

Tali

--- l_shepard <l_shepard@...> wrote:

> Tali,

> Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray

> on golf courses and orchards, and according to a

> recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit

> before the natural beginning of the season.

> S

>

--------------------------------------------------------------

> Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm?

>

> We did a six hour urine test on day three of round

> four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got

> the

> results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son

> (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have

> arsenic, mercury, tin and lead.

>

> Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L

> of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for

> lead. They report these as " not detected " and these

> levels are probably way too low to be the source

> (plus

> this was the tap water from our water-softened well

> but we use an RO system for our drinking water).

>

> My question is, if not the water, and children don't

> sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only),

> where is the source of arsenic from? I want to

> eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from

> me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?)

>

> No smokers around them either (i have read that

> there

> may be arsenic in tobacco?)

>

> any input would be greatly appreciated!!!

>

> Tali

>

>

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Tali,

Testing the soil might help you decide whether to stop or refrain from

gardening, have the kids spend less time playing in the yard, educate neighbors

and motivate them to talk to the golf course owners, consider moving, etc....

S

--------------------------------------------------------------

Don't live on a golf course but probably close enough

to be down wind (our street is next to a subdivision

that's attached to a golf course) and there are some

fruit trees in my yard and maybe years ago they

sprayed the heck out of it. It may be in my soil.

Is there any point in testing the soil?

Tali

--- l_shepard <l_shepard@...> wrote:

> Tali,

> Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray

> on golf courses and orchards, and according to a

> recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit

> before the natural beginning of the season.

> S

>

--------------------------------------------------------------

> Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm?

>

> We did a six hour urine test on day three of round

> four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got

> the

> results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son

> (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have

> arsenic, mercury, tin and lead.

>

> Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L

> of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for

> lead. They report these as " not detected " and these

> levels are probably way too low to be the source

> (plus

> this was the tap water from our water-softened well

> but we use an RO system for our drinking water).

>

> My question is, if not the water, and children don't

> sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only),

> where is the source of arsenic from? I want to

> eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from

> me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?)

>

> No smokers around them either (i have read that

> there

> may be arsenic in tobacco?)

>

> any input would be greatly appreciated!!!

>

> Tali

>

>

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Wow! This message came in with incredible timing, we were going to make an

offer for a house that backs to a golf course, incredible views and all, but

will hold off now. If we get a soil test and it is OK, do you think it is

safe? We are very uneasy about this.

Thanks!

Gowri

Re:[ ] Arsenic

>Don't live on a golf course but probably close enough

>to be down wind (our street is next to a subdivision

>that's attached to a golf course) and there are some

>fruit trees in my yard and maybe years ago they

>sprayed the heck out of it. It may be in my soil.

>

>Is there any point in testing the soil?

>

>Tali

>--- l_shepard <l_shepard@...> wrote:

>> Tali,

>> Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray

>> on golf courses and orchards, and according to a

>> recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit

>> before the natural beginning of the season.

>> S

>>

>--------------------------------------------------------------

>> Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm?

>>

>> We did a six hour urine test on day three of round

>> four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got

>> the

>> results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son

>> (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have

>> arsenic, mercury, tin and lead.

>>

>> Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L

>> of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for

>> lead. They report these as " not detected " and these

>> levels are probably way too low to be the source

>> (plus

>> this was the tap water from our water-softened well

>> but we use an RO system for our drinking water).

>>

>> My question is, if not the water, and children don't

>> sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only),

>> where is the source of arsenic from? I want to

>> eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from

>> me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?)

>>

>> No smokers around them either (i have read that

>> there

>> may be arsenic in tobacco?)

>>

>> any input would be greatly appreciated!!!

>>

>> Tali

>>

>>

>> __________________________________________________

>> Get personalized email addresses from -

>> only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./

>>

>>

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No golf course is safe. My brother used to be a golf pro. Anything you can do to 'ruin' the land they do to it, short of mining, bad scene. my dad used to play golf every day. now he plays only about twice a week. he states his 'allergies' are just soooo much better.

cara

Re:[ ] Arsenic>Don't live on a golf course but probably close enough>to be down wind (our street is next to a subdivision>that's attached to a golf course) and there are some>fruit trees in my yard and maybe years ago they>sprayed the heck out of it. It may be in my soil.>>Is there any point in testing the soil?>>Tali>--- l_shepard <l_shepard@...> wrote:>> Tali,>> Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray>> on golf courses and orchards, and according to a>> recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit>> before the natural beginning of the season.>> S>>>-------------------------------------------------------------->> Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm?>>>> We did a six hour urine test on day three of round>> four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got>> the>> results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son>> (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have>> arsenic, mercury, tin and lead.>>>> Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L>> of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for>> lead. They report these as "not detected" and these>> levels are probably way too low to be the source>> (plus>> this was the tap water from our water-softened well>> but we use an RO system for our drinking water).>>>> My question is, if not the water, and children don't>> sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only),>> where is the source of arsenic from? I want to>> eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from>> me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?)>>>> No smokers around them either (i have read that>> there>> may be arsenic in tobacco?)>>>> any input would be greatly appreciated!!!>>>> Tali>>>>>> __________________________________________________>> Get personalized email addresses from ->> only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./>>>>

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Do flame retardant pajamas have arsenic in them? I know they spray them with

some toxic chemical..... I always buy the long underwear all cotton that

says don't use as sleepwear!!

At 10:27 PM 2/1/01 -0500, you wrote:

>No golf course is safe. My brother used to be a golf pro. Anything you

can do to 'ruin' the land they do to it, short of mining, bad scene. my dad

used to play golf every day. now he plays only about twice a week. he

states his 'allergies' are just soooo much better.

>

>cara

> Re:[ ] Arsenic

>

>

> >Don't live on a golf course but probably close enough

> >to be down wind (our street is next to a subdivision

> >that's attached to a golf course) and there are some

> >fruit trees in my yard and maybe years ago they

> >sprayed the heck out of it. It may be in my soil.

> >

> >Is there any point in testing the soil?

> >

> >Tali

> >--- l_shepard <l_shepard@...> wrote:

> >> Tali,

> >> Other arsenic sources include treated lumber, spray

> >> on golf courses and orchards, and according to a

> >> recent post the use it to speed ripen grapedfruit

> >> before the natural beginning of the season.

> >> S

> >>

> >--------------------------------------------------------------

> >> Tried posting before but it didn't work -- hmmm?

> >>

> >> We did a six hour urine test on day three of round

> >> four of chelation (decmeber 18th) and recently got

> >> the

> >> results. Both my daughter (with autism) and son

> >> (possibly at the very high end of the spectrum) have

> >> arsenic, mercury, tin and lead.

> >>

> >> Had my water tested and the report shows .001 mg/L

> >> of arsenic, .0001 mg/L for mercury and .001 mg/L for

> >> lead. They report these as " not detected " and these

> >> levels are probably way too low to be the source

> >> (plus

> >> this was the tap water from our water-softened well

> >> but we use an RO system for our drinking water).

> >>

> >> My question is, if not the water, and children don't

> >> sleep in flame retardent pajamas (100% cotton only),

> >> where is the source of arsenic from? I want to

> >> eliminate what I can (Obviously, the mercury is from

> >> me and vaccines and some fish, but the arsenic?)

> >>

> >> No smokers around them either (i have read that

> >> there

> >> may be arsenic in tobacco?)

> >>

> >> any input would be greatly appreciated!!!

> >>

> >> Tali

> >>

> >>

> >> __________________________________________________

> >> Get personalized email addresses from -

> >> only $35 a year! http://personal.mail./

> >>

> >>

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> Do flame retardant pajamas have arsenic in them?

No, they have antimony.

Andy

..

[Guest guest]

sorry -- i'm the one who got that confused (I must

have had the " a " in my head and confused antimony with

arsenic -- sorry for causing this confusion).

Tali

--- AndyCutler@... wrote:

> > Do flame retardant pajamas have arsenic in them?

>

> No, they have antimony.

>

> Andy

>

>

>

>

> .

>

>

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In a message dated 2/2/01 4:46:41 AM Central Standard Time,

mmadkat@... writes:

<< Wow! This message came in with incredible timing, we were going to make an

offer for a house that backs to a golf course, incredible views and all, but

will hold off now. If we get a soil test and it is OK, do you think it is

safe? We are very uneasy about this. >>

Be aware that many chemicals are sprayed on golf courses to make them look so

pretty. Some spray more than others. You could get the spraying schedules

and MSDS sheets from the course management if they'll release them but that

doesn't guarantee anything since they could change management. When we first

bought our home, there wasn't alot of spraying, but shortly after my son

turned 1, a new company bought the course and sprayed the heck out of it.

Golf courses are treated as agricultural property, even if in a residental

neighborhood, so are allowed to spray all sorts of nasties that would be

illegal for you to spray on your yard. I'd never live near one again.

Gaylen

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This is in response to Kathy:

My son has high levels of arsenic and no mercury showing up. (also high

aluminum and other metals)He hasn't started dmsa yet and is only on

chlorella, thiodox, efalex and pro-biotics. I've noticed alot of stimming! My

speech therapist used to tell me that when she saw progress in the speech

centers of the brain she also noticed alot of physical regression, hence the

stimming, and then after a few weeks it usually evens out.The thiodox has a

combination of nac,gluthatione, the efalex is the efa's and the chlorella

detoxs the heavy metals(it's a type of algae). By the way, my son was

non-verbal and at 3 and one-half I gave three days of efalex and he started

talking. R.

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Dr Shaw wanted my son on thiodox, but I changed my mind. Mainly from this list . Lipoic acid is a chelator and I wanted to use it that way. some kids can't handle the cysteine so I opted not to use it. kelly

This is in response to Kathy:

My son has high levels of arsenic and no mercury showing up. (also high aluminum and other metals)He hasn't started dmsa yet and is only on chlorella, thiodox, efalex and pro-biotics. I've noticed alot of stimming! My speech therapist used to tell me that when she saw progress in the speech centers of the brain she also noticed alot of physical regression, hence the stimming, and then after a few weeks it usually evens out.The thiodox has a combination of nac,gluthatione, the efalex is the efa's and the chlorella detoxs the heavy metals(it's a type of algae). By the way, my son was non-verbal and at 3 and one-half I gave three days of efalex and he started talking. R

[Guest guest]

Could you please explain what the signs are of a child being adverse to

cysteine. Thanks,

[Guest guest]

HI Some kids already have high cysteine and low sulfate so supplimenting with cysteine could be neurotoxic. I would suspect any worsening of any behavior would indicate a possible side effect of cysteine. There is a test for cysteine through great smokies that could tell you which profile your child would fall into. I didn't test for this, I just opted not to suppliment with NAC just in case. kelly

[Guest guest]

I can attest to this. I had high cysteine. If I would eat an egg or

a piece of cheese, I'd look like I was in the terminal phase of

Parkinson's for about a day afterwards. Very, very unpleasant.

Do note that some people are LOW in cysteine, and those people do

BETTER if they get it. It is worth knowing, but you don't need a

blood test (this one is $40-50, not too bad) if you are willing to

exclude it from the diet for a week then add it back in.

Andy

> HI

> Some kids already have high cysteine and low sulfate so

supplimenting

> with cysteine could be neurotoxic. I would suspect any worsening of

any

> behavior would indicate a possible side effect of cysteine. There

is a test

> for cysteine through great smokies that could tell you which

profile your

> child would fall into. I didn't test for this, I just opted not to

> suppliment with NAC just in case.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I would appreciate any comments/advice on the following-

urine test after first round of chelating dmsa, low dose, my son's test has

come back with,

lead and mercury insignificant amounts but arsenic high 160 with ref 1-70.

Should we continue to chelate with dmsa???, I found some confusing posts a

while back, saying it could put more arsenic into the brain????

Does arsenic come out before mercury???

Thanks