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I agree Tats....but I think the stimulant level of smoking decreases the more we

smoke. I know it does relieve a stressful situation. But then I have opposite

reactions to some drugs anyway, talk about backwards. When I was about 19 I

took a mandrax pill, my boyfriend slept 2 days and I was up all night cleaning

the walls cuz I ran out of floor space to clean....then I went to work and got a

normal days work done by noon....now I'm lucky if I can dust and vacuum on the

same day LOL.

Carol

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but you're right smoking does tend to lower my stress level and my blood

pressure.

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I agree Tats....but I think the stimulant level of smoking decreases the more we

smoke. I know it does relieve a stressful situation. But then I have opposite

reactions to some drugs anyway, talk about backwards. When I was about 19 I

took a mandrax pill, my boyfriend slept 2 days and I was up all night cleaning

the walls cuz I ran out of floor space to clean....then I went to work and got a

normal days work done by noon....now I'm lucky if I can dust and vacuum on the

same day LOL.

Carol

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but you're right smoking does tend to lower my stress level and my blood

pressure.

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In a message dated 7/8/2004 7:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

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The interesting thing is that nicotine is a stimulant. So it shouldn't lower

stress levels or blood pressure. I

I know. Weird, huh.............Surgery and cumidin. Not good.

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In a message dated 7/8/2004 7:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

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The interesting thing is that nicotine is a stimulant. So it shouldn't lower

stress levels or blood pressure. I

I know. Weird, huh.............Surgery and cumidin. Not good.

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I am not a smoker, but in preparation for my upcoming surgery this winter,

am reading a book on scoliosis surgery and it is advised quite strongly that

anyone who is a smoker who gets scoliosis surgery should quit atleast

several months prior to the surgery because spines don't tend to fuse well

in smokers.

-Roslyn

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>Has anybody been a smoker and had surgery?

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, " unweary " <unweary@y...> wrote:

> Has anybody been a smoker and had surgery?

Hi,

I was an avid smoker for many years but I was able to quit 4 months

before my surgeries (47 y.o.then). I had several " retired " smokers

from another scoliosis group advise me that there was a 40% chance

the fusion would not take if I was still smoking, and that the hours

of anesthesia on a smoker's lungs was an additional burden.

My surgeon at the time said that he had operated on a few active

smokers but his recommendation was to quit before if possible.

I have heard from others on this list that some surgeons will not

operate on a smoker, I guess it is up to the individual and their

doctor to work this out.

Good luck and if you have any other questions, please don't hesitate

to ask. I am more than happy to help which ever path you choose.

...... 4 years, still not smoking :))) miss it some at times, but not

enough to go back, so far.

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Can I join in the smoking conversation? LOL I quite probably 20 plus years

ago. THEN about 3 1/2 years ago, our life blew up in our faces. I was

stressing so bad, I started again. Pleasse don't be disgusted me, I'm enough

with

myself...LOL Jenni, I know what you mean, for all those years I never wanted

to pick one up, but sometimes I just wanted to smell them! Anyway, I don't

enjoy it now, and am on the verge of quiting. I'm just not there yet. But

soon,

I know know it will be soon. One thing, I've never been a heavy smoker, if

that's a plus...LOL

We are all so not alone in our day to day struggles. Kinda nice, safety in

numbers?

Love ya,

Kiki

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I started smoking when I was 17 and quit when I was 40 years old (12

years ago). I smoked over a pack a day most of those years. I gained

60 pounds over the first two years after I quit (and still have the

extra 60 unfortunately)! Now I am using the LL to try and get my

lungs into shape. I tried several different " diets " but as soon as I

had cravings for something crunchy like potato chips or peppermints,

I would just start eating them and before I knew it the bag would be

gone. I find I had practically no cravings for smoking back then but

in the last year or two (when under a lot of stress) I have had

several bouts of cravings! Didn't give in though.

I tried Atkins, and Carbohydrate lovers and other low carb, high

protein, and low protein high carb diets but I couldn't stay on them

forever and as soon as I started eating normally again the weight

came back with a vengeance! So as long as I can be healthier with LL

I might as well give up on the diets.

Wishing you all a great afternoon.

Dar

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Isn't it amazing how much more alike we are than different? Hugs,

Connie

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I started smoking when I was 17 and quit when I was 40 years old (12

years ago). I smoked over a pack a day most of those years. I gained

60 pounds over the first two years after I quit (and still have the

extra 60 unfortunately)! Now I am using the LL to try and get my

lungs into shape. I tried several different " diets " but as soon as I

had cravings for something crunchy like potato chips or peppermints,

I would just start eating them and before I knew it the bag would be

gone. I find I had practically no cravings for smoking back then but

in the last year or two (when under a lot of stress) I have had

several bouts of cravings! Didn't give in though.

I tried Atkins, and Carbohydrate lovers and other low carb, high

protein, and low protein high carb diets but I couldn't stay on them

forever and as soon as I started eating normally again the weight

came back with a vengeance! So as long as I can be healthier with LL

I might as well give up on the diets.

Wishing you all a great afternoon.

Dar

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Dar,

I quit more than 4 years ago (5 years this February 1st) and while I didn't gain

any weight, I find that every once in a while a cigarette will smell so good!

Then I think of all I've gone through to quit and how much I still struggle with

cardio and I KNOW I will never smoke again. LL really helps me with my

breathing, but to this day I still can't hold my breath for long periods of time

without breathing very hard afterwards. The one thing positive I've noticed is

that when I do get winded, I come back to normal very quickly....yes!

with love,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

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I started smoking when I was 17 and quit when I was 40 years old (12

years ago). I smoked over a pack a day most of those years. I gained

60 pounds over the first two years after I quit (and still have the

extra 60 unfortunately)! Now I am using the LL to try and get my

lungs into shape. I tried several different " diets " but as soon as I

had cravings for something crunchy like potato chips or peppermints,

I would just start eating them and before I knew it the bag would be

gone. I find I had practically no cravings for smoking back then but

in the last year or two (when under a lot of stress) I have had

several bouts of cravings! Didn't give in though.

I tried Atkins, and Carbohydrate lovers and other low carb, high

protein, and low protein high carb diets but I couldn't stay on them

forever and as soon as I started eating normally again the weight

came back with a vengeance! So as long as I can be healthier with LL

I might as well give up on the diets.

Wishing you all a great afternoon.

Dar

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Awwwwww Kiki,

Well, I know that I quit about 200 times...probably more. Often every evening I

would put out my last cigarette and say that's it I'm never going to smoke

again. It's so hard to quit. You might want to look into Zyban. My sweet

husband calls it a miracle drug. He never ever thought I would quit after 30

years of smoking. It was a wonderful time when I quit....it actually made me

forget to smoke! Go figure LOL

with love,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

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Can I join in the smoking conversation? LOL I quite probably 20 plus years

ago. THEN about 3 1/2 years ago, our life blew up in our faces. I was

stressing so bad, I started again. Pleasse don't be disgusted me, I'm enough

with

myself...LOL Jenni, I know what you mean, for all those years I never wanted

to pick one up, but sometimes I just wanted to smell them! Anyway, I don't

enjoy it now, and am on the verge of quiting. I'm just not there yet. But

soon,

I know know it will be soon. One thing, I've never been a heavy smoker, if

that's a plus...LOL

We are all so not alone in our day to day struggles. Kinda nice, safety in

numbers?

Love ya,

Kiki

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I did the Zyban thing too, Jenni. I quit several (or maybe it was 200

times too) , When you get ready Kiki, you will quit. My husband

smokes like a fiend and sometimes I feel like jumping on him and taking

that cig away and smoking it myself, BUT I have a cookie instead. He

says overweight is as bad as smoking. Hugs~ Connie

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Awwwwww Kiki,

Well, I know that I quit about 200 times...probably more. Often every

evening I would put out my last cigarette and say that's it I'm never

going to smoke again. It's so hard to quit. You might want to look

into Zyban. My sweet husband calls it a miracle drug. He never ever

thought I would quit after 30 years of smoking. It was a wonderful time

when I quit....it actually made me forget to smoke! Go figure LOL

with love,

Jenni

Proud Air Force Mom!

May God guide and protect our troops!

Re: Re: Smoking

Can I join in the smoking conversation? LOL I quite probably 20 plus

years

ago. THEN about 3 1/2 years ago, our life blew up in our faces. I

was

stressing so bad, I started again. Pleasse don't be disgusted me, I'm

enough with

myself...LOL Jenni, I know what you mean, for all those years I never

wanted

to pick one up, but sometimes I just wanted to smell them! Anyway, I

don't

enjoy it now, and am on the verge of quiting. I'm just not there yet.

But soon,

I know know it will be soon. One thing, I've never been a heavy

smoker, if

that's a plus...LOL

We are all so not alone in our day to day struggles. Kinda nice,

safety in

numbers?

Love ya,

Kiki

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I also quit I don't know how many times. Then this older man I knew

said he was going to quit by using the nicotine patches that came

out. He had gone one whole day and then I told him if he could quit

then so could I! I went and got the patches and had them on for five

days (didn't even want a cigarette!!! - a miracle). Then on the sixth

day I broke out in the worst rash I've ever had, from my neck to my

toes. Itching and burning like you wouldn't believe. It got so bad at

night I went to Emergency and they took my patch away, said I had an

anaphylactic reaction to the patch. They sent me to a specialist the

next day and he said it was more likely that my whole body went into

shock from the stress of going without nicotine for five days but to

be safe stay away from the patches. Anyway, by then I was too

stubborn to start again, although there were three separate days

during the first year that I actually had a cigarette in my mouth and

the lighter halfway up to it. But I contained myself and haven't

touched one in 12 years!! The sad thing is that the friend who

spurred me on to quitting started smoking again after the third day

on the patch and he smoked and wore the patch. The next year he was

smoking through a tracheotomy hole in his throat and the next year he

was dead! Boy am I glad I quit even though I did get fat! It may have

taken 23 years to quit but I did it and I am proud of myself. If

anyone here is quitting, good luck to you. (it's not as bad as you

may think it will be -at least for me it wasn't)And keep praying for

God to give you strength. You know, I actually laugh a lot since I

quit, before that if I tried to laugh I starting coughing and

hacking. So laugh and live and breathe!!!

Dar

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That was wonderful and inspiring. Thank You for sharing. Hugs~ Connie

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I also quit I don't know how many times. Then this older man I knew

said he was going to quit by using the nicotine patches that came

out. He had gone one whole day and then I told him if he could quit

then so could I! I went and got the patches and had them on for five

days (didn't even want a cigarette!!! - a miracle). Then on the sixth

day I broke out in the worst rash I've ever had, from my neck to my

toes. Itching and burning like you wouldn't believe. It got so bad at

night I went to Emergency and they took my patch away, said I had an

anaphylactic reaction to the patch. They sent me to a specialist the

next day and he said it was more likely that my whole body went into

shock from the stress of going without nicotine for five days but to

be safe stay away from the patches. Anyway, by then I was too

stubborn to start again, although there were three separate days

during the first year that I actually had a cigarette in my mouth and

the lighter halfway up to it. But I contained myself and haven't

touched one in 12 years!! The sad thing is that the friend who

spurred me on to quitting started smoking again after the third day

on the patch and he smoked and wore the patch. The next year he was

smoking through a tracheotomy hole in his throat and the next year he

was dead! Boy am I glad I quit even though I did get fat! It may have

taken 23 years to quit but I did it and I am proud of myself. If

anyone here is quitting, good luck to you. (it's not as bad as you

may think it will be -at least for me it wasn't)And keep praying for

God to give you strength. You know, I actually laugh a lot since I

quit, before that if I tried to laugh I starting coughing and

hacking. So laugh and live and breathe!!!

Dar

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Or

perhaps it’s time to quit???????

Love,

De

Smoking

A scary

thing just happened to me & I wanted to warn you all. I was lying on the

couch watching t v between 9 & 10 tonight & apparently dozed off. I

woke up at midnight with a hole in my couch cover. I fell asleep with a smoke

in my hand & by luck alone the cover I have on my couch wasn't flammable.

If it was, SpYke & I would be crispy critters around now so be carefull

please, I know I'm going to be more alert.

SuZie

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Easier said than done De. I just wanted to remind everyone to be careful.

SuZie Motley <dmotley@...> wrote:

Or perhaps it’s time to quit???????

Love,

De

-----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ] On Behalf Of suzieSent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005

1:24 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Smoking

A scary thing just happened to me & I wanted to warn you all. I was lying on the couch watching t v between 9 & 10 tonight & apparently dozed off. I woke up at midnight with a hole in my couch cover. I fell asleep with a smoke in my hand & by luck alone the cover I have on my couch wasn't flammable. If it was, SpYke & I would be crispy critters around now so be carefull please, I know I'm going to be more alert.

SuZie

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As a Smoker, I make it a point not to ever lay down and smoke.....So glad your ok Suzie!

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Easier said than done De. I just wanted to remind everyone to be careful.

SuZie Motley <dmotley@...> wrote:

Or perhaps it’s time to quit???????

Love,

De

-----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ] On Behalf Of suzieSent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:24 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Smoking

A scary thing just happened to me & I wanted to warn you all. I was lying on the couch watching t v between 9 & 10 tonight & apparently dozed off. I woke up at midnight with a hole in my couch cover. I fell asleep with a smoke in my hand & by luck alone the cover I have on my couch wasn't flammable. If it was, SpYke & I would be crispy critters around now so be carefull please, I know I'm going to be more alert.

SuZie

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I do not smoke at all if I am tired or laying down.I don't let my husband or myself smoke in the bedroom anymore cause my husband would fall alseep with a cigarette,so I put a stop to that after several sheets got holes in them.I am careful.

Gail

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-----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ]On Behalf Of suzieSent: July 26, 2005 4:06 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: RE: Smoking

Easier said than done De. I just wanted to remind everyone to be careful.

SuZie Motley <dmotley@...> wrote:

Or perhaps it's time to quit???????

Love,

De

-----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ] On Behalf Of suzieSent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005 1:24 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Smoking

A scary thing just happened to me & I wanted to warn you all. I was lying on the couch watching t v between 9 & 10 tonight & apparently dozed off. I woke up at midnight with a hole in my couch cover. I fell asleep with a smoke in my hand & by luck alone the cover I have on my couch wasn't flammable. If it was, SpYke & I would be crispy critters around now so be carefull please, I know I'm going to be more alert.

SuZie

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We only smoke outside because my two little ones have asthma. I am grateful, because I now notice when people have smoked inside their house - the smell really sticks.

Gail Deveaux <gaila@...> wrote:

I do not smoke at all if I am tired or laying down.I don't let my husband or myself smoke in the bedroom anymore cause my husband would fall alseep with a cigarette,so I put a stop to that after several sheets got holes in them.I am careful.

Gail

http://deveauxkennels.tk

mailto:gaila@...

-----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ]On Behalf Of suzieSent: July 26, 2005 4:06 PMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: RE: Smoking

Easier said than done De. I just wanted to remind everyone to be careful.

SuZie Motley <dmotley@...> wrote:

Or perhaps it's time to quit???????

Love,

De

-----Original Message-----From: Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:Hepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies ] On Behalf Of suzieSent: Tuesday, July 26, 2005

1:24 AMHepatitis CSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Smoking

A scary thing just happened to me & I wanted to warn you all. I was lying on the couch watching t v between 9 & 10 tonight & apparently dozed off. I woke up at midnight with a hole in my couch cover. I fell asleep with a smoke in my hand & by luck alone the cover I have on my couch wasn't flammable. If it was, SpYke & I would be crispy critters around now so be carefull please, I know I'm going to be more alert.

SuZie

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Mitch,

Give the Zyban a try, it worked really well for me. Had to see the smoking

advisor type woman but that was OK as I knew her anyway. I just slowly gave

up, bit by bit. Changed the routine a little bit (when I was off work I

would sit in a none smoking cafe. If it was smoking, I would have had three

fags whilst reading the paper. 'Our Lass' went on the patches and

successfully gave up. Yes, you do need to want to give up but I found it a

lot easier than I thought it would be (I gave up for 18 months once before

and got back on them worse than ever). Neither of us has touched a smoke

since!

I had a couple of odd days when I stopped taking it but it was well worth

it. I haven't wanted to smoke since the day I had the last smoke & I was on

40 + a day.

Loads of money now!

> " I am apparently not as susceptible to suggestion as I first thought,

>although just after sex ill say yes to whatever the wife says, so hypnosis

>is blown for me " .<

With me it is before but not after, I'm to busy sleeping after.

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sarah. I too read the article in the Observer today with interest. Whilst I endorse employers being aware of the risks of their staff and trying to provide a safe working environment, it is going to be a difficult one. Most times folk say such things as `do you mind?` or wait until you have gone, you can usually tell by the piles of ash near the front /back door where people smoke... As you say there are many other `health risks` such as animals, drinking tea in suspect china and sitting on furniture that is less than ideal. I wonder what the risk assessments are going to be on all the other aspects of the job, visiting in homes, and who will do them? No sticky left over food on my sofa when the welfare people come! Jeanette Cowley <sarah@...> wrote: I see in today's Observer, that

the RCN are pressing for an official policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least an hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and during the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's workplace is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far from the most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in practice. I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that the home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over the rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step further than, within the context of a good professional/client relationship, asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the professional is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish?

At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places due next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those who complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will soon be extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to smoking in the home. what do others think?

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There was a motion at CPHVA Conference this year re this form South Devon

which was remitted and was to be discussed at next Exec meeting-unsure if it

was and what the outcome was not sure if these decisions are reported in the

Journal if taken at exec level-but feel they should be.

the motion proposed that PCT's and local authorities pursue a policy whereby

all staff business cards and official letters giving appointments to

clients/patients, carry wording that asks " Please could you refrain from

smoking whilst our staff are present " and to enlist the support of the wider

union through it's amicus Members of Parliament to implement this.

Our centre voted against this at our centre meeting as we felt it was a bit

Big Brotherish and that we where skilled enough to manage those sorts of

situations respectfully with our clients anyway. We felt it could be

counter-productive in some situations to have those sorts of messages sent

out prior to our visit. Not the sort of tone we wished to set. As you have

noted there are often worse hazards and smells we have to face in clients

homes. Many people live in chaos and squalor and some have very low levels

of hygiene, not to mention dogs and cats that may foul indoors!!!

Very few HV's where I work have printed business cards anyway. We have

blank cards with the Trust Logo etc on it and we hand write on these as we

don't use them that often. Some PCT's obviously have more money that ours!!!

Best wishes]

Maggie

smoking

>I see in today's Observer, that the RCN are pressing for an official

> policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least an

> hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and during

> the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's workplace

> is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the

> unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far from the

> most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in practice.

>

> I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the

> professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that the

> home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over the

> rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step further

> than, within the context of a good professional/client relationship,

> asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the professional

> is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish?

>

> At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is

> unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places due

> next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those who

> complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any

> restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will soon be

> extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote

> against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to

> smoking in the home.

>

> what do others think?

>

>

>

>

>

>

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There was a motion at CPHVA Conference this year re this form South Devon

which was remitted and was to be discussed at next Exec meeting-unsure if it

was and what the outcome was not sure if these decisions are reported in the

Journal if taken at exec level-but feel they should be.

the motion proposed that PCT's and local authorities pursue a policy whereby

all staff business cards and official letters giving appointments to

clients/patients, carry wording that asks " Please could you refrain from

smoking whilst our staff are present " and to enlist the support of the wider

union through it's amicus Members of Parliament to implement this.

Our centre voted against this at our centre meeting as we felt it was a bit

Big Brotherish and that we where skilled enough to manage those sorts of

situations respectfully with our clients anyway. We felt it could be

counter-productive in some situations to have those sorts of messages sent

out prior to our visit. Not the sort of tone we wished to set. As you have

noted there are often worse hazards and smells we have to face in clients

homes. Many people live in chaos and squalor and some have very low levels

of hygiene, not to mention dogs and cats that may foul indoors!!!

Very few HV's where I work have printed business cards anyway. We have

blank cards with the Trust Logo etc on it and we hand write on these as we

don't use them that often. Some PCT's obviously have more money that ours!!!

Best wishes]

Maggie

smoking

>I see in today's Observer, that the RCN are pressing for an official

> policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least an

> hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and during

> the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's workplace

> is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the

> unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far from the

> most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in practice.

>

> I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the

> professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that the

> home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over the

> rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step further

> than, within the context of a good professional/client relationship,

> asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the professional

> is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish?

>

> At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is

> unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places due

> next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those who

> complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any

> restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will soon be

> extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote

> against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to

> smoking in the home.

>

> what do others think?

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Hi, , this got me going. Ha! i can imaging some of the people i

visit reacting happily to me requesting they don't smoke around when

i am visiting, would get told to f... off out their house then, and

that's with a good relationship! It is a price we pay, thankfully

even working in a tough area i do not that often have to sit in smoky

atmospheres, people almost always are smoking outside, out the window

or actually do hold off until i go. it is a small number that have

no grasp of other people's situation and are uneasy perhaps at a

professional being in their place anyway.

Also, where do we draw the line, smoking? or can we ban people from

making sexually explicit suggestions to us, or sexually 'harassing'

comments. I visit alot of Gypsy Traveelers and whilst are most

pretty polite, i do not infrequently get the 'well, i've got

something much more interesting for you if you want to come upstairs

with me...!' and all that sort of stuff. Can we expect to be

proteceted against all risks? No, it is a price we pay for all the

good stuff about working in communities. I'd sooner continue on,

with my eyes wide open, choosing how and with whom to build

relationships with, for any particular reason, not have people

alientated for me by distant bureaucrats.

regards

Xena

> I see in today's Observer, that the RCN are pressing for an

official

> policy that would prevent people from smoking at home, for at least

an

> hour before a nurse, midwife or health visitor visits them and

during

> the visit. The fact of people's homes also being the nurse's

workplace

> is cited. I am sure lots of colleagues would sympathise with the

> unpleasantness of going into smoky homes, although that was far

from the

> most unpleasant environmental condition that I faced when in

practice.

>

> I was really shocked, though, at the shift in focus from the

> professional being a guest in the person's home, to the idea that

the

> home was her workplace, so her rights had to be given priority over

the

> rights/choices of those living there. It seems a large step

further

> than, within the context of a good professional/client

relationship,

> asking the person if they would mind not smoking whilst the

professional

> is present, which I know some people do. Am I being squeamish?

>

> At the very least, I think the timing of the announcement is

> unfortunate, with the crucial vote against smoking in public places

due

> next week. This new proposal will give a tremendous boost to those

who

> complain of the 'health police' and support the argument that any

> restriction on smoking is the 'thin end of the wedge' which will

soon be

> extended. If there are wavering MPs, they may be persuaded to vote

> against the 'public places' ban, to avoid the potential of a ban to

> smoking in the home.

>

> what do others think?

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